Hatfield and the North - at the Rainbow

[novaflo339]

tastes great less filling!

[RenassainceLizard]

My comparing about Caravan, Hatfield and the north and National Health Caravan Clearness - 10/10 Discography - 8/10 Innovation - 10/10 Impact - 8.5/10 Hatfield and the North Clearness - 9/10 Discography - 9/10 Innovation - 9/10 Impact - 7.5/10 National Health Clearness - 8.5/10 Discography - 10/10 Innovation - 10/10 Impact - 9/10 That's what i think. Don't come like a hater at me, please ¬.¬

[glynnt54]

Why all the analyzing and whining? A rare glimpse into what young musicians used to do..... music the way they wanted it...... and it was refreshing, in the hands of very competent players. Here, we have some of the best; Dave Stewart on keyboards, Phil Miller on guitar, and Pip Pyle on drums. Not to mention, Richard Sinclair was a pretty decent and unique bass player. If it's not someone's cup of tea....... start surfing for what moves you; I'll stay right here thank-you.

[perplexedmoth]

what's the song at 7:01

[ProgBassistPhx]

Is it just me...or does this sound very similar to the Allman Bros' "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"? (At least, in the beginning.) In any case...I like it!

[maximiliancohen]

4 people have their heads up their ass, too bad...

[tuckedup]

i was grooving during these same years and hearing this reminds me how BORING this style we see here was......and still is.....mind bogglingly BORING

[ghackett91]

O.O This is positively mind-blowing!!

[insanetaint]

Love this band, and much better than any caravan record

[MegaSqrl]

of course it's caravan on this one, who wouldn't know listen to the bass and the voices...gotta luv it!

[COPROENCEFALICO]

R.I.P Pip Pyle

[veloopity]

many thanks !! I've never seen this before ... back then, they were one of my favorite bands ...

[luc137]

Muito bom.

[thatdarnrobbo]

This is my fave Canterbury-type band. National Health carried on a bit.... they were awesome too. Dave Stewart RULES! (All the players are brilliant).

-my humble opinion.

[dmvshorebird]

Four of the best musicians on one stage at the same time....

Awesome!

[JonP1961]

Never got a chance to see them, but caught Stewart live with Bruford Band, around '78 or so. Serious fusion chops.

[HELLO2YOU3]

well for me up to this point 1:58 it's caravan, This is just so good!!.

Will have to go and get the Cd's and then make my mind up,But i must say this and a j do go together so well

lol

[frippstar47]

will always love the hatfields and the north ...let them feud whichever they may. they will always be a good bet musically

[JumpinJohnny74]

Richard Sinclair got such a great voice

[sunaru1]

Caravan were better!

[gustavosarmento]

@sunaru1 No doubts about it.

[astromavri]

@gustavosarmento What does this have to do with Caravan? It's pretty different and as musicians, Hatfield and the North are at light years from Caravan, actually.

Regards

[sunaru1]

@astromavri

Are you serious? Have a look at Pete Frame's Rock Family Trees.

[astromavri]

@sunaru1 Thanks, I will, but when I made that comment about Hatfield and the North it was because of the beauty they transfer into the music they play, just by playing it the way they do. I know there are excellent musicians in bands like these, but they seem superior to me because it just goes beyond a mere performing excellence, it's a matter of opinion though.

[gustavosarmento]

@astromavri Well.. to each his own. :-)

[cr1msonking93]

@gustavosarmento Well, when it comes to musicianship I've to agree with gustavosamento, but I love them both so much...who would compare such great bands :D

[scouserfourteen]

@astromavri It has an awful lot to do with Caravan... not least they shared a lead singer!

[davivas679]

@astromavri Richard Sinclair, thats what they have to do with Caravan, and Canterbury, no less..

[xabbukhozek]

@astromavri Dude man, both Caravan and Hatfield and The North are Canterbury at is best. And it turn on that HATN is led by the ex CARAVAN leader and bass player Richard Sinclair. What are you talking about dude ?

[dcbitz]

Had same bass player Richard Sinclair

[WorldofTomorrow420]

@astromavri - I'm on your side.

[dantean]

@astromavri Wiki Search: "Wilde Flowers" for an answer to this question. Caravan and H&tN were very close to sister acts to one another.

[sitarnut]

@astromavri Light Years Better......

[gietek]

@sunaru1 I disagree.

[ste8636]

@sunaru1

I think they sound just like Caravan. maybe it's the organ....

[dantean]

@ste8636 It's the fact that both bands grew out of the group Wilde Flowers, as did The Soft Machine. Richard Sinclair sang, composed, and played bass for WF, Caravan, and H&tN; his brother, David, keys for WF and Caravan, and the other players here were chums with musical interests similar to the "Canterbury" crowd. This is a question for Wikipedia. Search "Wilde Flowers" or "Canterbury Scene" there for a family tree of these bands.

[LikeAGlassAsterisk]

@sunaru1

Really? Caravan always came across as quite dull in comparison to Hatfield and North to me. Caravan seem to either right fairly cool, very 70's jam rock, or silly but not that engrossing pop. Obviously just my opinion, but ... I was always told to check out Caravan if I was interested in the Canterbury scene, but it was Hatfield and the North, Soft Machine, Egg and National Health that made me interested in that subgenre.

[LikeAGlassAsterisk]

@LikeAGlassAsterisk  write not right....

[sunaru1]

@LikeAGlassAsterisk Well, OK. But I think 'If I could it All Over Again, I'd do it All over you' is brilliant and the title is even better! Listening to Hatfield, there is not much difference.

[adrienb1]

@sunaru1 No way. Caravan is seriously Popsicle compared to National Health. Actually Henry Cow was more and less than both.

[adrienb1]

@sunaru1 No. Caravan was seriously Popsicle compare with H & TN. "Golf Girl"?? Henry Cow was both more and less pop, depending on the times.

[sunaru1]

@adrienb1 Actually, this gig by H and TN sounds very much like Caravan. Golf Girl? Well, OK - so what? How about Nine Feet Underground and the second album? Hardly 'pop'.

It was a good time for music all around. I think Soft Machine were overrated, though. Henry Cow and that girl tearing up paper flowes - weird, man!

[adrienb1]

@sunaru1 Agreed, Dagmar can be weird, in a scary operatic way but also did pop vocals for earlier songs with Blegvad et al.  Interesting either way.

I agree that SM is overrated - all the talented musicians that passed through? Sorry about the "Golf Girl" mention. I always had a pet peeve pertaining to that song (lyrics :)

I'm just glad that in all of this mixing and matching there seems to be a enough for everyone who likes/liked Prog Rock (hate that name) to enjoy.

[geffel]

@sunaru1

"better"? Different, surely. It';'s more prog that I'l listen to, and that's always a good thing.

[Tengent]

I never realized they were just a quartet.. they have all the power of a 7 piece.

[markboccaccio]

Hatfield.and the North's "Rotters Club" is my own private universe's equivalent to "Dark Side of the Moon".....as mind blowing (maybe even more so) today, albeit with no LSD, as it was in 1975. What a band. The recent remastered CD is a revelation.

[pinkrecoco]

Fab! I remember being at this gig! What a band.

[vidiot9000]

Hatfield and the north! Dude, you gotta get the album, don a couple of high end headphones and tune in. There's soooo much going on with these guys, you'll spend years hearing new things.

[SuperRothers]

They are indeed damned good, would love to find live version of Mumps!!!

[gietek]

absolutely fantastic!

[puddypuss]

they played at least twice at the rainbow. I went to the feb 24th 1973 one and the march 1975 one with others called over the rainbow which I think this is from

[cjonesjccc]

It was live at the rainbow theatre in 1973

[sendanor]

IMHO, this band represents the peak height of the Canterbury sound....I can't get enough of it, even though I am an avid Yes and Kayak fan also..

[aaszx1]

He must have used "grow fast" shampoo.

[notrombones]

A gift to Humanity.

Thank You!

[Sunchild333]

haha Hatfield and the north = Steamy rock 'n' rollers?!

[SteffanLlwyd]

Reminds me of Man. Hey, great stuff.

[SteffanLlwyd]

Well, maybe Man meets Spirogyra

[nukli1]

wow, what a superb bit of footage from one of my all time favourite bands - can anyone tell me where this is from or when it was originally broadcast? and thanks so much for sharing!

[motherbrain86]

cantabury rock is the best, gong, soft machine ,caravan

[rigmarole55]

Too many years ago to mention the number, i read a review of what must have been this gig. All i remember is the reviewer being incredulous that the bass player (as he called him) apologised at the end of a piece for playing a wrong note - and i reckon it's in the Fitter Stoke bit... Whew, thank chrst i sorted that out. Yours rather idiotically, Riggy.

[curiousnomad]

These guys are real musicians who were interested in playing music, not becoming a band that ended up becoming Spinal Tap.

[glynnt54]

This is as fresh as if it were yesterday! These guys music was never boring.

[angrysamoan666]

Depressing yes, boring always

[JonP1961]

@glynnt54

I dare say I'm as obsessed with Fusion today as I was as a teenager in the 70's.

[bethany3844]

Fabulous!~

[Mikaeloettli]

ahhhh.... i love it!

[Leodorus]

Great to see one of my favourite songs live!

Special Fitter stoke has a bath.

Thanks!

5*****

Leo

[bogeybast]

I came late to the Hatfield party through discovering National Health, but I've been digging it ever since & watching these videos is like recapturing lost memories of my happy concert going youth. What a blessing this music continues to be.

[Falumpaset]

probably their best song

[billahml]

That little organ solo just before "Fitter Stroke Has a Bath" is one of my absolute favorite keyboard bits of all time. And "Fitter Stroke" has to have some kind of direct/indirect influence on Morrisey! (I don't really like Morrisey, but couldn't you just hear him singing those lyrics?)

[jeromeknvb]

where can i find this!!

i really want this

[creightoncoffey]

The CD's you want are "The Rotter's Club" and

the other is just Hatfield and the North

[jeromeknvb]

i know, i have rotter´s club, what I want is the video!! :)

[allanhold]

Richard Sinclair high class bassist....

[lenskap]

Great stuff! After all these years I still try to play like Phil Miller....Try.

[valentynesuite]

grandissimi!!!!

[flovialau]

Great! I do enjoy so much Richard Sinclair's voice, too. Excellent Caravan's leader before. Phil Miller performed guitar on Matching Mole's line up, another amazing Canterbury band. It remembers me of very nice time...Thank you for sending it!

[aeropilot]

Fantastic...! been waiting to see them for years. It's very rare for anyone here in the States to know who these guys ever were. Many thanks to John Clark of KNAC in Los Angeles who played this band on "The Import Show." (c.1973)

[SjoerdDekker]

I use to see H&TN and NH in de Toverbal maassluis during 70ties, we were all inspired and all try to play like canterburystyle...

It is still!! totally awsome!!

[martley1]

Oh dear no wonder punk came along and took hold...

[puddypuss]

I was at this and it brings back good memories I just about prefer egg, but its all good stuff. I still keep in contact with dave stewart and have politely but not forcefully asked him if he d play this stuff again, but I dont think it will happen

[astrowisk]

First footage I've ever seen of this band. They really sound exactly as in the album. Phil Miller, Richard Sinclair, Dave Stewart... all great musicians. Love Sinclair's voice.

Thanks for posting!

[papapedros]

canterbury sound is very touching and this video is great it takes you really high

[arthurmee]

The very best in English Jazz/rock!

[eggymoo]

Who is the guitarist? Nice style, just right for the material - very Pat Metheny-ish.

[monzdrum]

Phil Miller ;)

[eggymoo]

Amazing footage! I never saw Hatfield, but remember seeing Egg at the LSE in London. Great band. The high vocal on this track is very remeniscent of Robert Wyatt.

[cubeucbeuce]

amazing group.

[mtaygoldin]

stewart sounds a lot like David Sinclair. I wonder who influenced who?

[lymph12]

where does stewart sing? All i hear is Sinclair

[lymph12]

nevermind...you mean the keybordist brother...erm sorry. im just going to mark myself as spam now...

[Gwyo]

I think both were influenced by Mike Ratledge (Soft Machine)

[dmvshorebird]

Holy Crap!

Has it been thirty-five years already?!?

Hatfield and The North (1st LP) is one of the

best recordings ever made. Rifferama and Fol De Rol still get to me after all this time.

Also check out National Health.

Thanks for the clip! AWESOME!

[jacquesguitars]

Wow, how this music made so many people happy!

[magosydemonios]

D Stewart re-created organ sound!!

Where can be adquired DVD with tuisimage??

[AbbathGS]

Wow. Just amazing to hear Stewert and that fantastic keyboard sound. He is one of the best that's for sure.

[KirbyCajeSaunders]

Thank you SO MUCH for putting this on! god, vintage Hatfield...what a treat. I wrote Dave Stewart once ....and he wrote back, an entire page! Also spoke to Pip for about 5 mins after a gig....Fantastic band, nice guys, Hatfield forever.

[hammerandbear]

Aaaayyy!!!!

Dave Stewart on youtube!

One of the very best of all players..

Brings back memories of Khan with Steve Hillage..

Thanks so much for THIS absolute magic..

[zortotron]

man, Dave Stewart is a freak on the keys

[syrik5]

Gosh! This sounds SO great...brings me back to the days of taking LSD and listening to these album's.

[adewolf]

Wow excellent stuff. more, more,more please. Thanks for posting.

[nikitaratata]

Great performance and Great musicians ! I just bought the latest TANGENT live DVD and I can say they don't even come close to this... Unfortunately the video ends before the closing "Didn't matter anyway" and that's a little bit frustrating. Does anybody by chance have a video of this song played by the vintage H & the N ? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for posting this.

[trankgrappa]

what a band!! amazing!

i just bought their archive CD's "Hattitude" and "Hatwise Choice" great quality live material from back in the days :-)

[jonsilence]

Unbelievable....I LOVE this vid, which I have somewhere on a bad VHS copy. This is probably the greatest visual document of the amazing Dave Stewart from a great period. Oddly, Dave has said that this show is probably his worst ever, that he was sick and throwing up between songs! If this is a BAD night for him...!! Now, someone, EGG, PLEASE!

[threeby8887]

I also vote for Egg (this video is great, though).

[Beadbud5000]

More National Health! Also any one have the Egg footage?

[StsSunnyCharlie]

great video, thanks for sharing!

[supergnorf]

FANTASTIC! Thanks for sharing! One of my favorite bands of all times. You made my day!

[bobgreen623]

Don't forget Richard's bass-playing, it's bloddy brilliant. Biggest influence on my own bass playing along with John Wetton with Crimso. Great clip

[TheOwl]

Bloody brilliant! There's just nothing like the old English Canterbury style prog to get my blood going! Dave Stewart and that uber-cool kazoo sound he gets out of his Hammond, Pip Pyle (RIP) and his amazing drumming, Phil miller's creative guitar playing and Richard Sinclair's droll vocals are one of a kind!

[panodafish]

Vraiment génial !!!

[mikeh69]

rip pip

[mikeh69]

Thank you

[grouchotrilo]

awesome, thanks for posting!

[vac]

that guitar looks so small in his hands.

great video, thanks!

[lenskap]

I'm STILL trying to play the guitar like Phil Miller.

TRYING!

[FiddlerNick]

Trying to play along with most of the Hatfields' stuff is usually a frustrating experience. It sounds deceptively simple and you think you know the tune and then you find it changes key and/or time sig about every 7 seconds. Still, its a challenge!

[joev777]

It was like that 30+ years ago.

[slayerized86]

Dave Stewart's Fender Rhodes solo is absolutely untouchable.

[pythonflying]

Awesome. Dave's solos always were so creative, every note played intentionally, no throw aways. Mumps indeed.

[dankton1976]

It's the last loud scream from the classic so called Canterbury scene. Hmmm... it's like matured Wild Flowers :)

I was dreaming for some 10 years about playing music that way but now I have to kiss this dream goodbye and find some boring job in a bank or in a bar in my sweet home called Poland.

[no6john]

the music is pretty good and so is Poland John !!

[gigerandrus]

:-)

[barbiroto]

Richard Sinclair >> all

i love this guy

[elisa7691]

and they never stop between the songs, it just keep flowing... very cool.

[reallyelvisiam]

just found this . these guys are my favorite band ever!! just bought hattitude and hatwise choice. they are excellent. never got to see them live , but used to work with a drummer who hung out with dave stewart and gtot to know him. thanks for posting this. is there more out her ?

[FiddlerNick]

Still my favourite band of all time. Thanks for posting this, I was a fan of the band in the 70's but never got to see them live. I presume this was the "last night at the Rainbow" concert?

[forestdweller958]

Wow! I've been a Camel fan for 30 plus years, then just started investigating Caravan in the last few years. Looks like it's time to start buying Hatfield And North CD's! Richard Sinclair is pretty amazing, love his style.

[kingbiscuitnugget]

Incredible!

[soppdrake]

I just creamed my flared jeans. THANKYOU! You've made an old man very happy.

Missed this group at the time. Lovely to see this.

[houtturn1]

Early 70's - Sitting in my room on rainy saturday afternoons - this was the music that i loved so much - Hatfield,Caravan,Soft Machine,Collosseum,Gong...Than­ks so much

[dantean]

The perfect band! Between Phil Miller's gorgeous tone, Pip Pyle's complex yet funky/soulful drumming, Richard Sinclair's beautiful melodies, and Dave Stewart's general brilliance, no group ever combined all the things I want out of a musical experience--except, perhaps, Robert Wyatt-era Soft Machine. More! More! More! (And THANKS!)

[Indymirage]

Thanks SO much for posting this! Absolutely enjoyed it!!!

[getorphan]

Thanks. Great vid.

[balihew]

souplesse maximale!!

[mihohobaba]

Thanks so much for posting this. Please upload the rest if you have it.

[RAndyVee]

Stunning stuff ... and as is frequently the case spookily timely. Checked just the other week and there was no vintage Hatfield ... and then as if by magic :-D.

[henrocktc]

It's amazing to see this old footage... Hatfield and the north is a one of a kind band, only with dave stewart on the synth, no one can replace him... Thank's for this one...

[cowencoal]

just brings back cool musical memories,WHEN are caravan going to tour again ??

[nubient]

Fantastic, now who's got the French TV show with Wyatt, that's the one we want next!

[propylaen2001]

I totally agree: that's the one I'm also looking for.

[propylaen2001]

This was filmed at the Rainbow Theater in London on 16 March 1975.

[aoguy3]

A gig I was at all those years ago - Bloody Brilliant

[softmachine5]

This is so great. Hatfield at their prime. This is not over the hill Hatfield. Here we have Dave Stewart playing real "fuzz organ" and real epiano that has grit and substance, unlike the synthesizer he plays these days. The Rotters Club is the greatest Canterbury/Fusion album ever made and Mumps is a masterpiece...Canterbury's masterpiece.

[spikerooney011]

HI softmachine5, do you think that In The Land of Grey and Pink was also a great Canterbury/Fusion album? Maybe Nine Feet Underground inspired many of its successors? Who knows? Anyway, it's all GREAT!!!! Rotters Club is still a prime example of innovative/daring musicianship, I agree. :)

[wigginsdesign]

Yes I agree Rotters blew my mind the first time. Back when music still did such things Hey SoftMachine5 where can I get copy of Soft Machine "Softs. Another my all greats

[harrier43k]

I think NFU is a the genesis of this type of Canterbury music, even though Stewart's lines are rather simple on the paticular piece. I would agree that Dave Sinclair almost certainly inspired Stewart though, taking what Ratledge did on the fuzz organ in Soft Machine and giving it an austere beauty and sophistication.

[harrier43k]

(this, and above is in response to spikerooney011's question) I think what sets Hatfield apart from all other Canterbury incarnations is the A. Section of the Mumps suite. In this section you have Hatfield resourcefully using Rhodes, tone generator, guitar, and the Northettes to construct and orchestrative prelude that is both harmonically estute and beautifully powerful.

[hellmuth26]

Your Majesty is like a Creme Donut (quiet) is my favorite passage of music ever. Immediatley when I heard it, I knew there was nothing like it anywhere else. The rest of Mumps doesn't live up to that first section, IMO. But man, it's so pristene, the Rhodes, synthesizer, and vocal harmonies are so rich and sweet together. With tons of major 9th chords and the like.

[hellmuth26]

I've read Dave Stewarts 2 books on music, as well as deconstructed 'Your Majesty' and figured out the chords and stuff. The best part about it, IMO, when you're able to see everything that's going on in it, is the vocal harmonies.

[snowypetrel]

Dave Stewart's book on improvising, called "Reading The Dots" is really essential and humorously simplified, it's for beginners but goes all the way into jazz improvisation theory.

[harrier43k]

Many, many bands have learned the knack or shifting in and out of time signatures and keys. Few have displayed the classical understanding of harmony, theme, and variation that Hatfield did on this suite.

[martinevans123]

Agree with all your comments, harrier, your eloquence deserves its own website! This surely representing a high point in British/ English `popular' music... I mean, what is there to even compare with now?

[borrheid]

FABULOUS!!!!

[spikerooney011]

Wow! I never thought I'd get to see them live again. Thank you for this gem, so much. If there are any more to come.....or am I being greedy!!

[tormato1985]

oh man thank for the old hatfield and the north i love richard sinclair bass style in this band