Riz Khan - Palestinian Dream- 18 Jun 07

[khara1986]

whatever was taken by force will be regained by force by killing those invading bacterias.

[Kirbytime]

XD... yes I support the 2-state solution... one for Hamas and one for Fatah.

[Arabstani]

that makes 2 Palestinians :s

we one want one country

[shinada]

Lets make it simple. My whole argument is that the Palestinian deserved the basic fundamental of human right, the freedom to live free which means there shouldnt be a road block in every kilometer of their roads, no demolition including house demolition, olive trees and farms, no random shooting, no curfew and many others as what as a human being should get and shouldnt get:)

[shinada]

Oh yea, in case you are wondering and come again saying "You dont know", I'm gonna tell you which argument is valid and which is not in an accountability stand point.

[shinada]

Here are more qunaswered questions; "Then tell me which country in the ME other than the occupied palestine, putting road block in every kilometer of their roads. Tell me which country in the ME do demolition on thousands of their citizen's homes? Simple questions."

[shinada]

You said, "In case you have not noticed, everywhere in the world you need to get permission and get your map approved from your local council before you build the house. I don't see why it should be different for Palestinians."

My answer: exactly! Why it should be different for Palestinian? Didnt you said, they "deserved every bit of what they are getting."? See, you are so clueless.

[vksharma20]

What are you blathering about? What is your point here, all I see is your nonsensical rambling?

Calm down Cheif, take a deep breath, and the try to elaborate on your point because right now you are not making any sense.

I don't understand what make you start this new totally isolated message. Also, why for some mysterious reason you suddenly lost interest in talking about democratic process in Gaza and peaceful & entertaining transfer of power in Gaza?

[shinada]

You dont understand my point then let me makes it simple. Both statements in both quoatations are yours. They are contradicting each other. For your last par. I just replied it a few seconds ago:)

[shinada]

"what do you expect them to do after hundred of thousands of them were forced to live in refugee camps? What do you expect them to do after their parents and sibling shot dead? What do you expect them to do when their future is bleak? Say thank you?"

[vksharma20]

Didn't I reply to this message earlier? But it seems you were very busy spamming this board and in your rage you didn't even see my reply.

You obviously don't know your arse from your elbow, because earlier you were asking me to provide links and sources that so-called Palestinian refugees exist in Arab countries, and now you are crying tears for their misery.

You need help Pal. Take some timeout, play with your dog, have some beer and calm down a bit.

[shinada]

lol...funny. nope. you never reply me of this questions. if you did. just point it to me:) dont have to rant around:)

[shinada]

Your toungue tied? :)

[shinada]

"What do you expect them to do after their home were demolished? What do you expect them to do when their children were shot while playing around their house? What do you expect them to do after thousand of acre of olive and farms which had fed many generations detroyed?"

[shinada]

You havent replied the earlier points and question i made where as you keep bringing new points though none of them with sources. Then let me just copy them again to make it simple for you. I thought i made it clear. Its pretty much straight to the point.

[vksharma20]

Bullseye!!!! Ha ha

15 messages in response to 1 msg. Geee..You are all over the place Pal. Are you OK, or did I touch some raw nerve. Hehehe.

Or are you just a troll, spamming the formus or other people's mail box, and doing his little pathetic Jihad duty.

Take it easy chief, you are losing the plot here. Accept that you are a loser, and let it go.

And why are you starting new threads? Or it this your own little terrorism tactis to disrupt the normal forum conversation.

[shinada]

I dont see any valid argument here. Still you havent replied any of my earlier points. Its not a new thread. Lets me remind you again, no source no credibility:)

[liliaaaaaaaa]

it is the fact that they have been SO HARSHLY punished that has caused huge problems in Palestinian society which is under such heavy oppression already from ISRAELI military forces. Palestinian society has already been described as being systematically undermined piece by piece by Israeli forces who actually 'wanted' and 'encouraged' division in Palestinian society - deliberately - a cynical push for the Palestinians to fight amongst themselves, and make the Israeli military's job 'easier'.

[vksharma20]

What were Palestinians expecting by selecting terrorist for government? Terrorists do, what terrorist do, they kill. Palestinians deserved every bit what they are getting. They have to face the consequences of their decision they took, like any other people in the world.

[shinada]

:)You mentioned about state control mind. Dont you think its applied to you? You see they selected a terrorist government because thats what your state/media keep telling you. Take a look again at the definition of democracy. The rest of your argument is pure ignorant. Every human deserved their right to live free no matter where you are in this world just like you and me.

[vksharma20]

I don't know what is the bone of contention here. I agree with you that Hamas was elected democratically, irrespective of its genocidal manifesto, in a fair election.

It was not the liberal democracy as known in free world, but the rag-tag "election-alone" quasi-democracy sure worked in Palestine. Now there is no doubt about Palestinian's murderous intentions.

They voted for terrorists and "one man, one vote, one time" system, and got it. As Hamas promised atleast Gazan got Islamic state.

[liliaaaaaaaa]

i think what she is saying is really important.

i was in palestine myself just after the elections - and everyone was afraid of the consequences. fatah were voted out because of widespread disillusion because of corruption - hamas were actually seen as having more integrity and valued because of the CHARITABLE work they did helping poor families -

[vksharma20]

Hamas was elected because they have not given up on Palestinian fantasy of destroying Israel in immediate future, unlike Fatah who apparently have taken a long-term view of destroying Israel. Even if the elections are held today, Palestinians would elect Hamas again.

Running a country or economy is not like running a charity, so you can save your glorification of Hamas's "charitable" work.

[shinada]

Hamas is elected by the people.

American Heritage® Dictionary: Description of democracy

NOUN: 1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

your argument is zero.

[vksharma20]

Well I just have to look at Hamas manifesto to see how peaceful and democratic they are and I am sure the recent "peaceful and democratic" transfer of power has proved their commitment to democratic values :-))

Aren't you happy for Palestinian people, the will of people prevailed. Their government delivered what they promised and what Palestinians asked for.

[doglin82]

Both sides stop the blaming.the problem is obvious...those in the upper echelon on both sides do not seriously want peace

[zaman27]

Israel is the problem, backed by America.

[brick4sale]

Yeah but it's there it's not going away Palestine is not going away, so what do you suggest?

[brick4sale]

You people with your finger pointing and conspiracy theories, irritate me immensely. Here's something you both cannot pretend be the victim, so please grow up and quite blaming the other for everything under the sun.

[fromDrO]

...She is sickening and yet the BBC et al. give her voice. WHY??????? Everyone blames Israel when the real problem is these apologists that continue to peddle myths which will do nothing but keep the Palestinians down.

[fromDrO]

...and then immediately continued to bash out her bile, blaming everyone but the real culprits - people like her, who occupy such powerful positions from which she could constructively advance a hope out of this hell she stands by and feeds on but which people like the caller from Ramallah are living through all these long, bloody, stiffling years. ENOUGH! TBC...

[fromDrO]

Dr Karmi is nauseating - she needed a caller from Ramallah to put her in her place. She agreed that introspection is the way forward for what, oh, the time of a breath, TBC...

[butai]

As long as the arabs want the state of Israel off the map of the earth there will be war. As long as Israel does not give the Palestinians a true state there will be war. The leaders of arab states and Israel (as well as USA) actually profit from this status while the people suffer. Pro israelis can yell as much as they want but the fact is that Gaza is a gulag. At the same token, the extremists on the palestinian side who wish for the destruction of the jews are a bunch of racist fascists.

[skuaimages]

democracy - what democracy hamas win election outright and Israel(they just stopped returning tax paid),US,EU cut off aid later the US fund arming Fatah to overthrow Hamas call this democracy it is tyranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no wonder we have an even greater mess now don't anyone believe that hamas will moderate their views after all this they were showing tendencies that way no that has been smashed this all smacks of horrendous conspiracy sad to say

[vksharma20]

It seems you don't live in a free society so you don't have any idea how democracy works. Democracy is not defined by election alone.

In a funny way democracy has worked in Palestine. Palis voted for a party of genocidal ambitions with agenda to establish Islamic state. Hamas has worked as per the mandate. A consensus reached, will of people heard, democracy produced desired results. Now world knows Palis priorities, and decided not to support them. Palis are getting what they asked for.

[maverick1008]

Idiot. There is an illegal occupation by Israel - how do you expect Palestinians to rebuild their economy and invest in infrastructure. While weapons can be amassed illegally - how can you build an economy illegally? Israel does not allow Palestinians to move around, build homes nothing.

[vksharma20]

There is disputed land but no such thing as "illegal occupation" let alone "occupation", because there was no previously recognized sovereignty in the territories.

So you agree that Palestinians have money to purchase weapons, but no money to improve hospitals, schools or infrastructure. Glad to know that some people have their priorities sorted.

Just out of curiosity - how are the greenhouses in Gaza doing these days?

[shinada]

"Palestinians have money to purchase weapons.." Isnt that a generalization? how many palestinian do you know have weapon? I thought someone has told you about economic sanction towards palestinian gov. So how do you expect them to build school ect?

[skuaimages]

how much money does Israel have and where does it come from? we all know the answer

Palestinians who are occupied have only their friends

I guess these will be Syria and Iran

can you blame them

if you were occupied illegally by another country

where would you get your arms from??

[vksharma20]

But was it a wrong generalisation? Isn't it true that Palestinians are more interested in purchasing weapons than improving lives of citizen?

World had to show Palestinians that -- like Germans electing Hitler in 1933 -- they had made a decision gravely unacceptable to civilized opinion. Therefore Hamas-led Govt was isolated and rejected at every turn, thereby encouraging Palestinians to see errors of their ways.

I wonder why didn't I see the booming Palestinian economy before sanctions.

[shinada]

lol..even primary school children know that generalization is not the right way to discuss a topic. it shows you immaturity and you lose your credibilty.

why didnt u see it? lol...because of the occupation! i dont know what idea you have about occupation..lol.

[vksharma20]

Well, there is no "occupation" in Gaza, I am sure Palestinians there might be busy implementing some sound economic policies. Oh, my bad, they have put the economic reforms on hold and start killing each other, because there are no more Jews left in Gaza to kill.

Accept it, Palestinians have no interest in improving their lives, they love living on UN dole. So-called "Occupation" is not the cause of Palestinian misery, but their "preoccupation" with destroying the Jewish state.

[shinada]

It's an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. In 1947 the UN seperated the land into Israel and Palestine though the Israelis have been occupying Palestine since then up to this day! Even if you think there is no occupation, who gives the Israelis the right to demolish the Palestinian home, building and farms?

[vksharma20]

West Bank is disputed territory whose status can only be determined through negotiations. Occupied territory is land captured in war from an established and recognized sovereign. As the West Bank and Gaza Strip were not under the legitimate and recognized sovereignty of any state prior to the Six Day War, they are not considered occupied territories.

Language of "occupation" is attempt to hide facts from Western audiences that dispute was the result of a war imposed on Israel by Arabs in 67.

[shinada]

since you think its an "attempt", let me just quote my previous question here. "Even if you think there is no occupation, who gives the Israelis the right to demolish the Palestinian home, building and farms?"

[vksharma20]

If you don't want to wake up with fleas then don't sleep with dogs. Wise or unwise, policy of demolishing houses that were used to facilitate terrorism or owned by terrorists is an economic penalty for complicity with murder. Apparently it was not very effective, since houses were rebuilt with money provided by terrorism sympathisers in Arab countries. But so long as it is limited to houses owned by terrorist, I don't see how anybody could object to that.

[shinada]

dear vksharma, you are blatantly ignorance. go to this amnesty website and read whose home is being demolished. web dot amnesty dot org/library/index/engmde150332­004

[shinada]

Another rubbish. Provide your sources please.

[vksharma20]

Why don't you do your little research for a change Bud? You know how to use google, don't you, assuming you are not a total loser or complete idiot? Or are you like Palestinians, who love living on dole and handouts, always leeching on other people's efforts.

[vksharma20]

It is amazing that Palestinians were even considered for a state at all, since they have always been on losing side of every war, e.g in WWI (with Ottomans), WWII (with Nazis), 48, 67, 73, 90 (with Saddam). Losers don't get rewarded for their continuous mistakes and genocidal ambitions.

There are so many other disenfranchised people in the world who has better claim to have a state, and unlike Palestinians never refused a state.

Btw Palestinians already have a state called Jordan.

[skuaimages]

hear you vksharma20 understand that democracy is not by election alone if it is not what is democracy? hamas was a better influence in Palestine than Fatah Fatah was more corrupt, Hamas helped the poorer Palestinians this was how they won the election i think Israel/US want Palestine to obliterate ves and disappear Israel fear Iran/Iraq far more what will happen next sorry I am not hopeful I think the election of Hamas was an opening and the world totally closed it down

[vksharma20]

You've no idea of democracy and may consider Saddam, Ahmadinejad as democratic leaders, since they won elections.

A big part of democracy is only possible in coherence with the Lockean freedoms of life, speech, judiciary, health, liberty, and possessions. None of these freedoms are possible in ME. Non-Muslims, women etc. are not free or equal(and definitely not able to speak their minds). Life in these places is barely given, along with health, or even the political protection of possession

[shinada]

At last you hit the point! Freedom of life! A basic fundamental of human right! If your freedom is taken away, dont tell me you would just stay quite. It goes the same to the palestinian!

[vksharma20]

Well, in Palestine as in most ME countries (except Israel), state has not given the basic fundamental right - freedom of life, to their own citizen. And I am glad that you agree on this one.

[shinada]

Then tell me which country in the ME other than the occupied palestine, putting road block in every kilometer of their roads. Tell me which country in the ME do demolition on thousands of their citizen's homes? Simple questions.

[shinada]

so vksharma? i havent got any reply from you where as you profile says you were logged in 5 hours ago. are you still sleeping with your dogs? wake up! coming from 1 bilion population country, i hope you represent less than 0.01% of the billion. talking about state's control mind huh? if you dont want your pals to be so much ignorance its time for you to educate million of illiterate and eradicate the sickening poverty at your home coz ignorance = idiot as what many have called you here.

[vksharma20]

Sorry mate, it was Friday night, and someone got a life and has to meet the social commitments :-)

There was a time when whole world believed that earth was flat. Merit of an argument is decided by the number of followers.

We are billion people with billion problems, but we are not blaming our problems on others and not living in perpetual state of victim hood. And definitely not sending suicide bombers to other countries in the pretext of some hypothetical grievances.

[shinada]

Sorry pal, your argument is rubbish. It only take a glance for me to rebutt every point of yours. We are not living in a world where we believed the world is flat anymore. Merit of an argument is decided with proof and evidence not followers. Of your lengthy empthy arguments you didnt even rebutt any of my point and questions nor you talk abt the website i gave you.You need more time?You get it.Hope you open your eyes while researching.

[vksharma20]

I agree, the way I wrote the argument, it sure sound rubbish. The intended argument was this:

"There was a time when whole world believed that earth was flat. Merit of an argument is NOT decided by the number of followers"

I wonder who should I blame for this typo, surely I can't blamed for not reading before posting. So let's round up the usual suspects. Should I blame Jews like some people do on this forum & video, or should I blame the Europeans who make such fine beer? Tough choice.

[shinada]

See, even yourself admitted your argument is rubbish. Not sure whether its worthy or not to reply you. You havent reply my focal point and questions of this discussion yet. I dont have to repeat it. You are not stupid right? My argument is simple. Every human being deserved to be treated equally and deserved the basic fundamental of human right, the right to live free. And let me just quote your stand here, "Palestinians deserved every bit what they are getting.".

[vksharma20]

Was it your farewell speech before the white flag? I don't know what your focal point was because all the time you were elaborating on other people's argument. Btw those people were smart enough not to respond once their arguments were quashed.

Everyone deserved to be free with HR, but Palis are denying these rights to each other, and then blame it on Israel/US/EU. This week was easy for Palis, if they don't drop genocidal ideas, they will have tougher time with power, water & food supply cut.

[shinada]

Its not a farewell speech nor a white flag. But you know, "Dont argue with a stupid person because he would just bring you down to his level and defeat you with his experience". And I guess you are not "smart enough" (obviously) because you dont want to admit your mistake and people have to point it again and again. People have life you know. For me, it doesnt take much for me to rebutt you. Next time please provide your sources and evidence. Remember merit on argument?

[shinada]

You are contradicting yourself. At one point you said the "Palestinians deserved every bit what they are getting". And now you said "everyone deserved to be free". And tell me how are they denying the human right towards each other?

[vksharma20]

As a long time contributor & supporter of AI, I know AI's position & misuse of reputation on this dispute. It is hard to take AI seriously when it refuse to consider Hezbullah as army & describe Hezb casualty as civilian casualty.

AI like UN is obsessed with Israel and excluding the real HR violators and too busy creating moral equivalence between deliberate targeting of civilians and accidental killing of civilian in self-defence. In 2002-3, AI produced 52 reports on Sudan, 192 on Israel.

[shinada]

You really need to provide source here too..Dont give me a bullshit.

[vksharma20]

Eat this:

Here is the AI report titled "Israel/Lebanon: Hizbullah's attack on Northern Israel" dated 14-09-06

web dot amnesty dot org/library/index/engmde020252­006

"Israel's .... widespread attacks across Lebanon from land, sea and air, killing some 1,000 civilians."

Mahmoud Komati, deputy chief of Hezbollah claimed 250 Hizbe dead, IDF claimed 6-800, but not Amnesty.

ww w dot usatoday dot com/news/world/2006-12-15-hezb­ollah_x dot htm

Now down on your knees and suck my d*ck, b*tch!

[shinada]

???dude...your statement and the sources that you gave here doesnt prove anything. I doesnt prove AI position or any misuse. It doesnt prove AI "refuse to consider Hezbollah as army.." Care to explain more?:)

[vksharma20]

This obsession would make sense if Israel was among the worst human rights offenders in the world. But by any objective measure this is not the case. Even with the harshest interpretation of Israeli's policies, which takes no account of cause and effect, and Israel's predicament of facing existential war, there can be no comparison to the civil wars in Sudan, Algeria, Tibet, NKorea or Congo. Like the UN, the policies of AI and HRW have more to do with politics than human rights.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

There is such a thing called "divide and conquer". They have made the Palestinians desperate , then aggravate them and embolden rivals. then they can sit back and play innocent to the world corporate media.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

The hypocrisy is incredible and the hatred you show is disgusting. Israel and the US refuse to abide by international law and the will of the world community while they enforce the apartheid of the Palestinians and violent expansion, but this is all just a "victim mentality" and has no affect on Palestinains?

[jklasdfjdfksl]

I dont know if you are aware of this, but Palesitine has been occupied by Israel for 40 years while they continue illegal expansion over vital resources and the suffocation of Palestinian economy. The US and Israel have refused to deal with the democratically elected government and while supporting increasingly unilateral war aggression and murder. By arming various factions and refusing others while cutting off the Palestinian economy, they have created this mess.

[vksharma20]

If Palestinian economy is so bad then how do they purchase weapons? And if they are so isolated then how these weapons come inside the territories?

Hey, here's an idea for certain Palestinian people - instead of spending money on weapons, and killing Jews & each others, why not try something different? Eg educate your children, advance your economy, and develop your infrastructure.

The façade of your "democratically government" is broken so you can save your rants for Govt of Hamastan.

[notwomail]

They do not purchase weapons they r sent to them from iran / syria for free ... You can sent weapons to any place on earth even isolated places u r IDIOT ... How can they advance economy of isolated country ??? it is separeted by jews into parts they are killing palestinians daily all what the palestians should do is to kill jews as much as they can till the american take the jews to Texas

[vksharma20]

How do these weapons reach to Palestinians, via Israel do they? So you agree they can ask weapons from Iran/Syria, but not the money for schools or hospitals. Glad to see Palestinians, Syrian and Iranian have worked out their priorities.

Let's face it; Palestinians have no interest in improving economy or improving their lives, they have decided to live on UN handouts for another few generations more. After all, they have not done anything different to give another impression.

[shinada]

They still need permits from the occupier to build anything.Let's face it, any human want freedom. One generation has been suffering since they were born 50 years ago. No freedom no improvement. Weak argument.

[vksharma20]

In case you have not noticed, everywhere in the world you need to get permission and get your map approved from your local council before you build the house. I don't see why it should be different for Palestinians.

I wonder why Palestinians did not demand freedom or state when they were occupied by Egypt in Gaza and by Jordan in West Bank. And I still think Palestinians have very weak claim to have a state, considering they have refused it every time it was offered to them.

[vksharma20]

Ghada Karmi is a mischievous "analyst". She seems happy to blame anyone for Palestinians' plight except Palestinians themselves. Palestinian miserable condition is not because of lack of funds entering the territories: it is because successive Palestinian administrations have made no effort to distribute the resources available equably among the population.

Another thing: If Palestinians are so poor, how could they buy so many weapons? If they are so isolated, how did they get them?

[notwomail]

IDIOT we told u they do not buy them ... You do not know what is the meaning of isolation how can build economy without airport ?? without any ports that links u with the world ??? u r really IDIOT

[vksharma20]

The isolation they are facing is because of their pre-occupation with killing Jews and destroying the state of Israel.

[shinada]

Am i supposed to surprise? What do you expect them to do after their home were demolished? What do you expect them to do when their children were shot while playing around their house? What do you expect them to do after thousand of acre of olive and farms which had fed many generations detroyed?

[shinada]

what do you expect them to do after hundred of thousands of them were forced to live in refugee camps? What do you expect them to do after their parents and sibling shot dead? What do you expect them to do when their future is bleak? Say thank you?

[vksharma20]

There would have been no Arab refugee problem had the Palestinians accepted the partition plans of 37 & 48, and not taken part in war of extermination against Israel in 48.

Also, please enlighten us why Palestinians could not coexist with Israelis, or with their own brethren Kuwaitis, Jordanians, Lebanese, Egyptians and Syrians, why are they still refugees? Have you ever heard any other group of displaced people in the world history who are still refugees & living on UN handouts after 60 yrs?

[shinada]

I need evidence here too. No credibilty!

[vksharma20]

I wonder why Israelis welcomed and helped to resettle Jewish refugees of Arab & European countries. We don't see any descendants of 20 millions refugee, resulted by India's partition in 47, still living as refugee on UN dole after 60 yrs. Maybe that is how all group of people help and treat their brethren in distress. Why 22 Arabs country could not do the same and helped and assimilated 700,000 fellow Arabs. Refugee issue is deliberately left unresolved by Arabs as a tactic to destroy Israel.

[shinada]

Evidence here too. You know, everyone can do their own statistics but what important is the credibility of the writer. Gosh, arent you supposed to know all these things?

[vksharma20]

Are you on crack Pal? It seems you don't even know that 3-4 million descendant of original so-called 700,000 Arab "refugees" are still living in refugee camps in Arab countires. Have you ever heard of a disgusting organisation called UNRWA? You must be dumbest Palestinian apologist and terrorist supporter I have ever come across. It seems Mullah who worked on your brainwashing has done too good a job, he cleaned every trace of usual propaganda material. My compliments to the Mullah. Hehe.

[shinada]

No source? no credibilty.

[shinada]

"The isolation they are facing is because of their pre-occupation with killing Jews and destroying the state of Israel." Is this a personal opinion?

[shinada]

"Palestinian administrations have made no effort to distribute the resources available equably among the population." Any source where I can check this?

[vksharma20]

Here is a story about Palestinian Attorney Generals report that PA may have lost billions in corruption.

ww w dot guardian dot co dot uk/israel/Story/0,,1703226,00 dot html

Apologies Bud, if I have bursted your balloon of clean & effective governance of Palestinians.

Wonder why you suddenly stopped talking about Hamas' democratic credentials. For some reason you suddenly lost interest in democratic process in Gaza and peaceful & entertaining transfer of power in Gaza. What happened?

[shinada]

lol.i never say Hamas is a clean and effective government.Dont misquote me:)My main point is palestinian deserved freedom as much as other human got.I never say i support Hamas.I say I support democracy.

[shinada]

On the other hand no matter whether its democratic or not, you would say "Palestinian deserved every bit of what they are getting". Let me quote you here. "World community owes nothing to Palestinians ...just because Palestinian has elected this genocidal Hamas. Palestinians deserved what they are getting; they knew exactly what were they voting for." You are done:)

[vksharma20]

Palestinians killing each other on roads, in hospitals, in mosques, throwing each other from buildings and this is the fault of Israel, US and EU. Wow what a great analysis, could Palestinians suffer more with victim mentality?

World community owes nothing to Palestinians and under no obligation to pay their tax-payers' money to terrorist just because Palestinian has elected this genocidal Hamas. Palestinians deserved what they are getting; they knew exactly what were they voting for.

[shinada]

Dear vksharma20, Please read more before you commenting...it's so ignorance of you to say that. Whats happening in Palestine today is not the result of yesterday action.The many problems in Palestine today have been longer than the day you were born! The occupation has been for more than 50 years. Dont tell me you dont know that!

[vksharma20]

Oh well!!! Some "scrutinising minds" working furiously to find words and excuses for this fratricidal feud of Palestinians.

May I also take this opportunity to blame Israel & US for (just to be part of the popular herd):

1 - Yesterday's rain (as I got wet - damn Israelis)

2 -- India's bad performance in cricket (US-Jewish conspiracy)

3 -- Roger Fedrer's bad performance in French Open Finals in recent years (surely this is Israel's fault and has roots in history).

[shinada]

wow...I didnt know that you are so shallow like that...

[vksharma20]

I concur with you about my shallowness :-)But what were expecting, I really wanted to respond to your message, but there were only vague and generalised statements. Everybody's problems are result of actions of yesterday, but c'est la vie. I know some Palestinians problem are older than me, so what about them? What "occupation of more than 50 years" are you talking about?

[shinada]

"what about them??" boy...you seem clueless! ignorance are you? and then you asked me about the occupation?? vksharma, dont u think that many problems in this world caused by ignorance people like you? you need to read more. you can find many news report, article in the internet and even videos in youtube about the illegal occupation. other than that, maverick's answer pretty much summarized your question. lack of reading makes people stupid.

[vksharma20]

You are like the members of Flat Earth Society. In their meetings they discuss great issues of the day, from the point of view that earth is flat. If someone says "No, earth is round!", they think this person is extremist (in your case, Zionist/clueless/Ignorant/Stup­id).

You seem to come from a country where thoughts are controlled and opinions are monitored and sanctioned by the state, therefore you are not used to the presence of differing opinions.

[shinada]

oh well, you love making an assumption arent you?lol.. you dont even know who i am:) should i remind you, i'm the one who encourage you to make full use of the flowing information in the net. read more! and now you are saying that ive been brainwashed by the state? lol...

[vksharma20]

Well, your intellectual intolerance does give an impression that you come from a repressed society. If that is not the case, then I stand corrected.

[notwomail]

Why the palestian did not kill each other before 1948 !! and the EU & American killed each other in WW1 & WW2 ! simply the jews were their in EU lands and now they r in palestine !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vksharma20]

It seems you were brainwashed by an illiterate Mullah, which is why your knowledge of history is so pathetic. When did European Union (EU) ever fight against US, let alone in WWI or WWII?

[notwomail]

They r voting for the one who will send jews to Texas to live with mr Bush .. Jews has no rights in any Sq Meter in palestine this is the fact which the american are trying to hide. If you understand this fact then u can understand why young palestian are killing every jews above THEIR land. Every jews on Palestine is a terrorist

[vksharma20]

Interesting to see that Palestinian "sympathisers" have chosen a new wet dream, i.e. sending Jews to Texas instead of red sea. Israel is not going anywhere, tough sh*t, deal with it.

Why don't you confess; people like you don't give a damn about Palestine unless it is a rhetorical weapon to attack Israel.