The devil runs a fossil and skeleton factory! His minions spread out the skeletons in order to spread the delusion of evolution! Same with fossils!! HA!! I'm kidding by the way. Sad thing is that I think that there may be someone who believes this.
Normally, yes. Have a look at my video on why I do that; it is for votebot protection, as my account is not large enough to ever recover in the event I am hit.
@chertzle I am an educated person, I speak 4 different languages and I don't believe in evolution because it's not based on the scientific method and there is much evidence that go against it. I think evolution is a belief system. it takes faith to believe in it. in my opinion it is not very scientific
@PolitcalIslam and your correcting my spelling, im dyslexic you stupid prick. If you've got nothing better to do then bully people over youtube then i suggest you get a life
Yes. Creation is true and the arrogant atheistic evolutionist are wrong. They will believe in creation on judgement day, but it will be too late then.
You just used Hovind's material. It is ridden with strawman arguments, false dichotomies, etc. One perfect example being the claim that evolution means "the world made itself" - it did not. Evolution is caused by genetic drift, mutations, and natural selection (which is NOT random), and it in turn causes speciation and biological diversity. It says nothing of a creator or "causer", and it says nothing of planet or universe formation.
Furthermore, creation (by your god) and evolution are NOT the only two possibilities. If you want to posit a magic sky daddy as the origin, why is that more valid than supposing aliens, for example, given that that at least does not utterly violate the laws of physics?
If you would rather believe that aliens made the world than God, then I think all rational conversation you went out the windows.
If we look at the physical evidence like sea shells being found on mountaintops all over the world that would point to a global flood, and then if you ask who has an account of this, well the Bible does!
You really aren't listening, are you? I merely mentioned aliens as it is MORE plausible than a magic sky daddy. I do not believe in that idea. And once again, you entirely ignore my entire first comment. Read it, and try again.
As for your mountain shells, have you ever heard of something called plate tectonics? That's how mountains form.
I went back and looked at your original post. What you have discribed is Biological Evolution. The Big Bang falls under Cosmic Evolution, and yes there is such a thing, as I ran into this with someone on facebook. I googled cosmic evolution and found several things on it, and it does include the big bang.
You can't have biological evolution util you have a universe, so when you talk about life it has to include how the world got there, because where is life going to live?
AND plantary and universe formation are covered in Cosmic Evolution. There is even an Astronomy college course offered on this that I found.
To make it clear it just falls out side of BIOLOGICAL Evolution. You have to start with the formation of the universe and then everything else follows after that.
As far as Hovind goes, what other "strawman" arguments do think are there, because the one you gave is not one of them.
That's the only - significant - strawman in this particular argument, but he uses a great many in other seminars. Nonetheless, logical fallacies abound in both this and other arguments from CSE.
You're quoting Hovind again. I'm afraid the entirety of both your comments collapses, in light of the fact that he is LYING when giving other "definitions" to evolution.
Hovind never had any theorys... a 'theory' is a very specific thing outside normal language... it requires testability, falsifiability... the accumulation of known tested facts into axioms... and hovinds hypothesis has none of this!
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If you think evolution is true... prove it.
Until people see a group from a species, and that group turns into a different species, and so on, the theory will remain unproven.
I don't care if fossiles in the ground are similiar to other living creatures. That proves nothing. In addition, there are major gaps in the fossil record.
You can't possibly believe that all life, in sea and in air and on land, all evolved from the same ancestor. It's impossible.
In a hundred plus years evolution has never been dis-proven. Where as the buy bull has been proven wrong hundreds of times. If anything needs proof it would be your archaic book of bullshit.
Not a lot no! hehehehe... but hey...whist you guys fall into theocracy and end up banging rocks together to make fire... all the better for us here in Europe where this mumbo jumbo is falling away at record pace and science is expanding faster than ever... you'll end up buying (importing) our stuff... which is good news for me... yipppeee!
there is a small progressive America under all these conservative religious idiots... most of the youth is very open minded... they just can't vote yet haha
They could vote in the 80's either this youth... and somehow they all managed to end up believe this crap!
No disrespect pal... but a nuclear power governed by theocracy is not my idea of a fun world! I thought this was exactly the fear most of us had of Iran with the bomb or Isreal with the bomb... America would be a bloody disaster!
The problem here is that creationism has been given a voice, for one, and two, even going to public schools, and from the media, we don't hear about evolution as being fact....The media constantly want to report two "sides" to everything, so we Always hear about evolution and creationism....Your average Joe here has an atiitude that says, about scientists, "Ahh, what do they know. They're wrong half the time."
it's all about the fragile egos of humans. they do not want to believe that their primative ancestor was some ape-like being. they like to believe that they were some specially created being,set apart from nature, as opposed to being a part of nature
I can't say if this really a bad thing. What would the stats be 25, 50 ,100, and 150 years ago compared to today? I would guess it would be a significant improvement. So I think we have come a very long way in a very short time, in the terms of human existence. I can only see it getting better. Have hope people and keep on fighting.
I think its realy sad but also quite reasuring that people who have real world knowledge, those who are educated tend to be more sceptical. Ide like to see the stats for the flat earth survey.
ide like to see the stats. I think by more he must mean more as in still in an extreem minority but more and i wouldn't mind betting that those same flat earthers tend to be in a minority even amongst id proponents. still you know what they say 90% of statistics are completely made up.
that small percent of atheist's are the smartest people in the USA. The bulk of this country are ignorant and also slow. They need things broken down to a simpler form.
what moron? have of Americans? don't you mean HALF? now that is pitiful, and you are pitiful if you ignore all the facts that led to the evolutionary theory.
In Canada, a recent angus-reid poll found that 58% of canadians accept evolution as fact, 22% are creationists and 20% are undecided. The results are regionally and politically skewed, with Alberta(40%) and Conservative Party members (29%)showing a higher number of creationists. Additionally, men(69%) were more prone than women(48%) to accept evolution as fact. Survey results can be found at the National Center for Science Education website.
Not nearly as embarrassing once you cut all Republicans out of the equation.
Still, what I found disheartening was that, consistently, only about 12% think evolution happened without any help from god(s). Still, even there, that's probably triple what it was 50 years ago.
oh WE BELIEVE! WE BELIEVE! I think I have to dig a bunker before some fanatic stones me. I have two nephews with reasonable IQ's and college degrees and both believe in ghosts, the devil, creation and fundamentalist christianity. It's VERY sad.
My 2 uncles, aunts, and half my cousins are just as backwards. A few of them are even intelligent and one is post grad. That shit scares me. America is uniquely backwards in this aspect. I want out, but I'm a prisoner of my class status.
You don't believe in the theory of evolution, you only understand the theory of evolution.
rpsmith014 4 months ago
Every redneck in the world deserve to die! Fuck you if believe in God. I am going to kill these hoes!... Just kidding about the killing.
PolitcalIslam 9 months ago
Every redneck in the world deserve to die! Fuck you if believe in God. I am going to kill these hoes!
PolitcalIslam 9 months ago
The devil runs a fossil and skeleton factory! His minions spread out the skeletons in order to spread the delusion of evolution! Same with fossils!! HA!! I'm kidding by the way. Sad thing is that I think that there may be someone who believes this.
baahhhFATALITY11 11 months ago
I would hate it if these statistics were true this is really embarrassing
steve122333444455555 1 year ago
I love the stas they come up with :
Yes->49%
No->48%
Neither->2%
Remaining->1% What the hell is it supposed to be ? I'll go with Cheesecake
Astrashar 1 year ago
wow... embarassing 0.o
xsmokeandmirrorsxx 1 year ago
Disabled ratings fail.
oraclecrank 1 year ago
Normally, yes. Have a look at my video on why I do that; it is for votebot protection, as my account is not large enough to ever recover in the event I am hit.
DeltaAtheism 1 year ago
there is no such thing as evelution it is a quite new theory where as the theory of god has exsisted for thousends of years
supersonic320 2 years ago
1.
If you want to be taken seriously, spell.
2.
You claim it does not exist, then say it is new. How can something be new if it does not exist?
3.
Does it being more recent than the scriptures make it wrong? No.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago 2
@supersonic320 much like the theory that the sun revolves around the earth and the earth is flat.
chertzle 1 year ago
Take care where you step. Someone that ignorant is liable to be a flat-earth geocentrist (like NephilimFree).
DeltaAtheism 1 year ago
@DeltaAtheism True, no shortage of idiots.
chertzle 1 year ago
@chertzle I am an educated person, I speak 4 different languages and I don't believe in evolution because it's not based on the scientific method and there is much evidence that go against it. I think evolution is a belief system. it takes faith to believe in it. in my opinion it is not very scientific
icsvortex665 6 months ago
@supersonic320 Do you know what a theory in science is? It is not a "theory" like what you think one is! UTFG, bitch!
PolitcalIslam 9 months ago
@PolitcalIslam and your correcting my spelling, im dyslexic you stupid prick. If you've got nothing better to do then bully people over youtube then i suggest you get a life
supersonic320 9 months ago
@supersonic320 I wasn't correcting your spelling; I said that you didn't understand what a scientific theory was. Throw your strawman elsewhere.
PolitcalIslam 9 months ago
Yes. Creation is true and the arrogant atheistic evolutionist are wrong. They will believe in creation on judgement day, but it will be too late then.
josephericlopez 2 years ago
You want to claim that creation is true? Prove it. Bonus points if you do it without Hovind or Discovery Institute.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
Moreover, you have just fulfilled "Delta's Law" Number two.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
Since there are only choices:
1. Creation: Someone made the world
2. Evolution: The world made itself
If I can prove that the evolution theory is impossible, then that only leaves one option, creation.
So you can prove Creation by proving that Evolution can't happen or if you disprove the "evidences" used for evolution.
I don;t use the Hovind Theory, but it doesn't matter. If the Hovind Theory proves it, it proves it.
josephericlopez 2 years ago
You just used Hovind's material. It is ridden with strawman arguments, false dichotomies, etc. One perfect example being the claim that evolution means "the world made itself" - it did not. Evolution is caused by genetic drift, mutations, and natural selection (which is NOT random), and it in turn causes speciation and biological diversity. It says nothing of a creator or "causer", and it says nothing of planet or universe formation.
[cont'd]
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
[cont'd]
Furthermore, creation (by your god) and evolution are NOT the only two possibilities. If you want to posit a magic sky daddy as the origin, why is that more valid than supposing aliens, for example, given that that at least does not utterly violate the laws of physics?
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
The two MAIN options are:
1. Somebody made the world [WHOEVER] this is.
2. The World made itself.
If you would rather believe that aliens made the world than God, then I think all rational conversation you went out the windows.
If we look at the physical evidence like sea shells being found on mountaintops all over the world that would point to a global flood, and then if you ask who has an account of this, well the Bible does!
The Bible gives an account of how we got here.
josephericlopez 2 years ago
replace "you" with "just", typo.
josephericlopez 2 years ago
You really aren't listening, are you? I merely mentioned aliens as it is MORE plausible than a magic sky daddy. I do not believe in that idea. And once again, you entirely ignore my entire first comment. Read it, and try again.
As for your mountain shells, have you ever heard of something called plate tectonics? That's how mountains form.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
I went back and looked at your original post. What you have discribed is Biological Evolution. The Big Bang falls under Cosmic Evolution, and yes there is such a thing, as I ran into this with someone on facebook. I googled cosmic evolution and found several things on it, and it does include the big bang.
You can't have biological evolution util you have a universe, so when you talk about life it has to include how the world got there, because where is life going to live?
josephericlopez 2 years ago
AND plantary and universe formation are covered in Cosmic Evolution. There is even an Astronomy college course offered on this that I found.
To make it clear it just falls out side of BIOLOGICAL Evolution. You have to start with the formation of the universe and then everything else follows after that.
As far as Hovind goes, what other "strawman" arguments do think are there, because the one you gave is not one of them.
josephericlopez 2 years ago
That's the only - significant - strawman in this particular argument, but he uses a great many in other seminars. Nonetheless, logical fallacies abound in both this and other arguments from CSE.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
You're quoting Hovind again. I'm afraid the entirety of both your comments collapses, in light of the fact that he is LYING when giving other "definitions" to evolution.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
and there are BILLIONS of possibilitys... here are a few
The universe is actaully software funning on a giant computer and we are simply constructs in that software.
You are the only living being in the universe.... it came into being at your first memory and will be destroyed after you die!
There are BILLIONS of possibility! ....not just two!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
Hovind never had any theorys... a 'theory' is a very specific thing outside normal language... it requires testability, falsifiability... the accumulation of known tested facts into axioms... and hovinds hypothesis has none of this!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
Fuck that... I'll give him my house if he proves it WITH hovinds bullshit!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
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If you think evolution is true... prove it.
Until people see a group from a species, and that group turns into a different species, and so on, the theory will remain unproven.
I don't care if fossiles in the ground are similiar to other living creatures. That proves nothing. In addition, there are major gaps in the fossil record.
You can't possibly believe that all life, in sea and in air and on land, all evolved from the same ancestor. It's impossible.
Read The Bible. It's true.
RyanLeeParis 2 years ago
Prove evolution? Fossils. Genetics. Morphologics. Enough, or want more?
What "major gaps in the fossil record"?
"you can't believe that all life...evolved from the same ancestor"
Strawman. Logical fallacy.
You ask me to prove evolution, prove your bible.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
In a hundred plus years evolution has never been dis-proven. Where as the buy bull has been proven wrong hundreds of times. If anything needs proof it would be your archaic book of bullshit.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence--Carl Sagan
coddlinghimmler 2 years ago 10
@coddlinghimmler
hahahahah the buy bull. I love that and I'm going to use it, if you don't mind. One of my favorite Sagan quotes too. Right on.
roont 1 year ago
Unbelievable.
Grow up America.
rawrkaitlyn3 2 years ago
OMG ........ theres no hope for us is there?
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
Not a lot no! hehehehe... but hey...whist you guys fall into theocracy and end up banging rocks together to make fire... all the better for us here in Europe where this mumbo jumbo is falling away at record pace and science is expanding faster than ever... you'll end up buying (importing) our stuff... which is good news for me... yipppeee!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
got an extra room for rent there in Europe? hahah
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
hmmm... room renting to disenchanted Americans... [light bulb moment]
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
there is a small progressive America under all these conservative religious idiots... most of the youth is very open minded... they just can't vote yet haha
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
They could vote in the 80's either this youth... and somehow they all managed to end up believe this crap!
No disrespect pal... but a nuclear power governed by theocracy is not my idea of a fun world! I thought this was exactly the fear most of us had of Iran with the bomb or Isreal with the bomb... America would be a bloody disaster!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
hahah your right.. we are all doomed haha im just glad i feel obama was a good step.
indigoskrubz 2 years ago
Sad indeed!
freetaught 2 years ago
In this respect, I'm Embarrassed to call myself an American.
ZachValkyrie 2 years ago
Dumb Americans.
bracine1 2 years ago
my thoughts exactly.
topliff12345 2 years ago
The problem here is that creationism has been given a voice, for one, and two, even going to public schools, and from the media, we don't hear about evolution as being fact....The media constantly want to report two "sides" to everything, so we Always hear about evolution and creationism....Your average Joe here has an atiitude that says, about scientists, "Ahh, what do they know. They're wrong half the time."
johnnyk2112 2 years ago
it's all about the fragile egos of humans. they do not want to believe that their primative ancestor was some ape-like being. they like to believe that they were some specially created being,set apart from nature, as opposed to being a part of nature
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
I can't say if this really a bad thing. What would the stats be 25, 50 ,100, and 150 years ago compared to today? I would guess it would be a significant improvement. So I think we have come a very long way in a very short time, in the terms of human existence. I can only see it getting better. Have hope people and keep on fighting.
shaybshay 2 years ago
Shame on America.
RantingTrent 2 years ago
this cant be true its so sad
TachiRdiesDirty 2 years ago
I think its realy sad but also quite reasuring that people who have real world knowledge, those who are educated tend to be more sceptical. Ide like to see the stats for the flat earth survey.
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
"I'd like to see the stats for the flat earth survey. "
According to DonExodus2, there are more flat-earthers than creationists among scientists.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
ide like to see the stats. I think by more he must mean more as in still in an extreem minority but more and i wouldn't mind betting that those same flat earthers tend to be in a minority even amongst id proponents. still you know what they say 90% of statistics are completely made up.
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
Just more proof that the evangelical majority of repugnicunts are morons.
klangsteiner 2 years ago
that small percent of atheist's are the smartest people in the USA. The bulk of this country are ignorant and also slow. They need things broken down to a simpler form.
Is there an atheist for dummies book???
blueeyez357 2 years ago
no but its a good idea considering the people who need to be persauded tend to be in the dummies section of the population. LOL
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
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What's pitiful is about have of Americans still buy the evolution myth.
jay7a2j 2 years ago
I guess you fall under the High School or less stat? Seeing as you some how said have, you mean half? And also how you hate science so much.
Brewhahh 2 years ago 2
what moron? have of Americans? don't you mean HALF? now that is pitiful, and you are pitiful if you ignore all the facts that led to the evolutionary theory.
richardshortfan 2 years ago 2
Haha facts don't lie.
atheistmission 2 years ago
I'm curious; what are the statistics in Canada? What about other countries?
Feldmm1 2 years ago
I suppose not all surveys will be the same, but what percentages do they seem to estimate for other countries?
Feldmm1 2 years ago
There was nothing of other countries, unfortunately. Canada is probably slightly better, with the countries like Norway and France in the lead.
DeltaAtheism 2 years ago
An interesting question...
In Canada, a recent angus-reid poll found that 58% of canadians accept evolution as fact, 22% are creationists and 20% are undecided. The results are regionally and politically skewed, with Alberta(40%) and Conservative Party members (29%)showing a higher number of creationists. Additionally, men(69%) were more prone than women(48%) to accept evolution as fact. Survey results can be found at the National Center for Science Education website.
cansurfer1 2 years ago
Very telling.
DeletedDelusion 2 years ago
This is why I am (more than) slightly ashamed to live here. I'm surrounded by religious idiots who believe that an invisible man in space created us.
breadmold5 2 years ago 3
were out here breadmold and steadily growing stay the coarse the truth shall set us free. SCIENCE IS OUR SAVIOR
coddlinghimmler 2 years ago
Thankfully, there are people like you who damn near make up for the idiocy of the U.S.A.
breadmold5 2 years ago
we just have to stand strong and stop the religious bullying stay strong bro
coddlinghimmler 2 years ago
Gawd set the standard of his followers with abram
genesis 15:7
Shadizar666 2 years ago
god that is SCARY!
workaholicandy 2 years ago
And people wonder why I plan to expatriate from this ignorant fascist country ASAP.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Not nearly as embarrassing once you cut all Republicans out of the equation.
Still, what I found disheartening was that, consistently, only about 12% think evolution happened without any help from god(s). Still, even there, that's probably triple what it was 50 years ago.
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
Half of the population in the States...wow.
I wonder about the Canadian population that believe in theory of evolution?
grungefuck 2 years ago
sad, so very sad.
AbdultheImpailler 2 years ago
Shame
uploader100100 2 years ago
oh WE BELIEVE! WE BELIEVE! I think I have to dig a bunker before some fanatic stones me. I have two nephews with reasonable IQ's and college degrees and both believe in ghosts, the devil, creation and fundamentalist christianity. It's VERY sad.
thePuzzledDragon 2 years ago
My 2 uncles, aunts, and half my cousins are just as backwards. A few of them are even intelligent and one is post grad. That shit scares me. America is uniquely backwards in this aspect. I want out, but I'm a prisoner of my class status.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Moral of the story: get a decent education and stay the hell away from church.
rulezdaworld0 2 years ago 7