@garbidz "People love getting lied to"... People especially like hearing flattery. And believe any positive baloney. If the basis of belief is that it makes you feel important or special, The belief should be challenged !!
Just a point to the analysis of Michael Shermers hand writing and the comment about the good communicator. Being flattered tends to mute the critical instincts a bit. I am not finding fault. Just pointing out that he is a good communicator seems fitting, he is, look at the work that he does. But think about it, the person read a page of his writing. My assumption is the evidence for that was in the paragraphs he wrote, and not in the style of the writing of the letters. Kind of obvious.
"Could be a con artist" - while I don't believe in graphology I must say that she hit the nail on that one. I mean it takes one to know one, right (just like the illusionist James Randi debunks psychics etc)? And his "con" was to try to get a faulty analysis of his own writing on false premises to debunk graphology.
Nobody holds monopoly over truth; neither Vatican, Richard Dawkins, Penn & Teller, James Randi, Billy Graham etc. Everyone has a subjective agenda of his own.
I tried some graphology that I read in the bookstore on one of my friends back in college. I took his notebook and told him what I thought his personality was based on his handwriting. I'd have to say he was surprised that I described him spot on.
I guess graphologists have never heard of self-fulfilling prophecies. If you tell a teacher that a student is gifted then that student will do well, if you tell a teacher that a student is a trouble maker then that student will do poorly, all regardless of what the student is really like. That's because the teacher's expectation alters their treatment of the student. Same thing with graphology. If you have preconceived notions about someone, you'll treat them in a way that elicits that response.
are facial expressions or arm/hand gestures bunk when determining how a person feels while expressing themselves? if so then welcome to the world of aspergers
@troonorth You have astute insight. Handwriting is determined by psyches and our degree of muscle tension, as such it is indeed a form of body language.
Graphology is not a "pseudo-science." The way a person writes expresses a great deal about the person because our handwriting is being dictated by our brains. If your hands were amputated and you had to write with a pen in your teeth you would attempt the same kind of writing as you did with your hands ... the shape, size, slant, etc.
Have the skeptics never heard that our brains are connected to our muscular system?
Of course she blew up. You re telling her that her career depends on a load of ballony. Anyone would blow up there. Thats like saying: I bet when i call an african american a ni1ger he ll blow up. See?
I'm concerned about this being used for a job interview. Besides, illness and/or disability in a job interview is a violation of USDOL. I liken this to a polygraph for pre-employment.
An article appeared in the Ottawa Citizen a few days ago espousing graphology as a science. This is what happens when news staff aren't trained to differentiate between science and pseudoscience.
It never ceases to amaze me, how otherwise intelligent people fail to understand such a simple thing like the principle of graphology. I guess they may possess a generally high intelligence, but some of its components may be close to debility.
For those interested in seeing Shermer having his ass handed to him by the brilliant and far more "Bright" Stephen C. Meyer, check out my profile. Once you see the intellectual beatdown Meyer gives him you'll never look at Shermer the same again.
And if we all need an example of what he is saying at 0:25-0:32. Just read these comments and im sure since this is youtube. You will find a majority of people with this so called rage. lol
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@cenobite199 u guys are a bunch of idiots...funny how u guys cant explain 21 grams disappearing from the body at death, nor can u explain 'twins' and how 97% ALL have PSYCHIC PHENOMENA happen to them or the little itty bitty fact called NDE = u know NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES, < U KNOW THE MASS HALLUCINATIONS THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MILLIONS of PEOPLE in HISTORY! They all just dream up this BIG LIGHT COMING to call THEM or SOME LESSON about DARKNESS or LIGHT!....its either one of the other..all faked!
To that idiot executive recruiter. If I have been interviewed for 6 hours and then being informed that I might be rejected because I do not cross my t properly or that the descender on my y's look crooked, I'll do more than blow up.
How about people like me who suffer from dyslexia? My handwriting has changed over the years considerably and will continue to do so since I have dyslexia. It is hardly fair to infer anything personality-wise based on such a disorder that is not at all connected with such issues.
Interesting point, Although most people with dyslexia have more symptoms reading than writing. Reading words can be mixed for example. A person may read the word Santa as Satan by mistake.
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Michael Shermer is such an idiot, he always tries to make people look bad, by saying things that don't make sense, and expect people to "buy it" she noticed the person that wrote it was a con artist/manipulative, and that shows up VERY easily when you listen to how he speaks, he tries to make people think how he thinks, even if it's stupid. It doesn't matter if someone WANTS to be very communicative, it's shows how someone IS, clearly Michael is, and so it showed up that he was.
When I was in junior high, one day the principal and the school psychologist came into the classroom, and announced who would be class President and Vicepresident, just like that. Later I learned this was what the shrink used to decide.
One of the kids who got picked was very shy and had no leadership skills, and the other never participated in anything. Too bad I didn't know back then what was going on.
People get upset at the guy who exposes the trickster, not at the trickster himself! Seen Randi getting attacked by furious ladies when he showed how Sai Baba made holy ash and flower rain. Now look at the reactions Shermer is getting, not to mention Dawkins. People love getting lied to.
What a con, your experiences come out in your handwriting. Your writing should change then but people continue writing the same way during their lives.
My favourite part is, "if he doesn't take his energy and channel it into positive things, he could get in trouble!" Isn't that true for every single human being on the planet? Animals, too. Robots and inanimate objects, too. LOL!
I think she didn't know how to communicate what she meant properly.
or you could be generalizing what she said, it sounded to me that she meant HE has a lot of energy, not everyone has a lot of energy, so if you don't have a lot of energy then it wouldn't make much sense the statement, and so it's not true for everyone.
obviously if you have a lot of energy and you didn't put it towards positive things, it would be bad. but she's pointing out that HE has a lot of energy. and that's obvious.
I see it like psychology. Is psychology 100% percent true? No . Plus at the end he is like oh you are just trying to make them feel good she said I am just saying what I see. skeptics have just as much motive as others do
pff bulshiet. i write last time by hand like 3months ago. so my write style is totally unbelivable unredable and is not becouse my brain is becouse i dont write much . in our society most of young ppl write much more via pc keyboard than pen ..
Yes I understand for the mean time that graphology doesnt work but my questions is still the same, how come we all write different. There must be somethinig different in each of us to write differently. The same with voices, but voices can be moulded by country and language.
We all have different sizes of hands.. we all have different ways of holding a pencil.. some people like to write neater because they see it as visually appealing, but that doesn't really show anything about their personality. Some people don't really care about neatness and write sloppily, but again that doesn't really show anything about personality. It's no different than astrology.
Another thing as you wrote, some people like to write neater because they see it as visually appealing because maybe they are self concious, feel the need to be perfect. Sloppiness could mean tiredness or stress. Astrology shouldnt be tested by people who aren't intact with their emotions and general intuition. Astrology cant be statistically proven, it doesnt work that way. Do you dream often supakiwibaby? If so how many times has it felt so real to you?
For me, I write many different ways, sometimes slanted to the right, sometimes slanted to the left.. sometimes I write small, sometimes big, etc. My handwriting never looks the same twice. So if I gave that woman 3 or 4 samples of my handwriting, they will all come up as different personalities. lol
Well then there you go it shows that you could be an emotional person, is strong about their ideals and has down to earth attitudes about their opinions.
@supakiwibaby You are probably a teen. Teens practice different slants and sizes of writing as they are trying on different identities. A teen's identity exploration is their developmental task at this stage of life, according to Erik Erikson.
@strawberryseason When I wrote that, I was a sophomore in college. I agree with what you say though.. I did experiment a lot with handwriting when i was a teen. However, my handwriting still does change depending on my mood - I just like expressing myself that way. :)
@strawberryseason I didn't mean vocal inflection or tone; I meant general qualities like pitch or smoothness. The fact that my voice is deep doesn't tell you anything about my personality. The poster I was responding to asked why, if graphology doesn't work, do we all write differently, and my point was that the uniqueness of a trait doesn't mean it provides insight into a person's character. I could just as easily have used, say, facial structure as a counterexample.
"If graphology doesnt work then why is everyone's handwriting different? Why dont we all write the same?"
Because DNA is different. Because our muscle memory is different. Because you took a penmanship class.
You can tell right off that this is bullshit because if personality affects writing, then writing must also affect personality. You know this is untrue because stroke victims or accident victims can lose the abilty to write, but thier personality doesn't change and vice vera.
writing doesnt necessarily have to affect personality. if stroke victims or anybody lost the ability to write, it would just simply mean that the person has written anything for a while. The only human emotion that would stem from that is frustration or sadness because that person cant write anymore. I love to play soccer, its my life, if I lost my right leg I would be devasted not to play soccer. Yet it wouldnt change who I was, it just means I havent played it for a while yet I long for it.
"only that stroke can change the personality as well
and the way it comes out
and the way the world is perceived "
I didn't say it couldn't, but losing one doesn't mean you *have* to lose the other. You can lose ONLY the ability to write, or ONLY have a personality change. This means the parts are not linked. i.e. Graphology is bullshit.
The blue-eyes brown-eyes videos give a fairly good explanation for why the young woman "blew up." When you put someone in a box they react to it. Cops treat protesters like trouble-makers and you have a riot on your hands. Young and capable businesswoman is told she has an attitude and it might cost her the job she wants and she gets mad about it, I would too.
I can see some merit in graphology, but with something as dynamic as cognition and emotion, it's dangerous to begin to rely on something so ambiguous. I don't find it too difficult to believe that a person's personality can be expressed through the style of their writing. It is a form of communication and many of the same emotions go through us when we write just as we speak.
Even if it is valid, it should be used as a low-priority supplement to more comprehensive psychoanalyses.
She describes him perfectly. He is a man of action, he submitted his hand writing and he does all investigations. That is action. She said he is intuitive. This man defines this term intuitive to an extreme sense. Also, she said this intuition can cause harm if he does not channel this energy to a positive sense, he could get into hot water, which he does by asking the question who wouldn't want to be classified as this, instead of asking is the classification correct. She is spot on.
I saw Michael Shermer in a documentary about reincarnation (I can't remember the name of it). He and a doctor lady were saying that we pass through this life once and then just rot. By the end of the documentary, with the evidence presented, his opinions sounded ignorant. I don't really like the guy, but he's free to his opinions.
The drywall basics of graphology are correct, but once you get into the condition of a person's soul and so on, it gets a little questionable.
yeaa..she waz on the money with that "He could be a master manipulator" statement but they didnt let you hear the part after she said "hes very intuitive".Far all we know she could have found out it was his before he said "this is mine". ...its definitely worth watching part 2
Lol, it seems to me that these are the exact same techniques that are used in palm readings and tarot cards. Describe a bunch of things that could apply to almost anyone.
lmao, what a joke. my father is a graphologist. this doesn't represent us. we pass blind tests separating high performers from low performers regularly, just from their handwriting.
I imagine that there is some simple truth to this idea. Angry people might write by pressing down harder, emotional people may like a gaudy handwriting. But I think this lady is way too far from the elementary reality.
Graphology sounds just as daft as phrenology (the discredited "science" of judging someone's personality traits by the shape of their skull). At the age of 8 I learned cursive script handwriting. I wrote in this style for four years until we were taught a different style of handwriting. The second style looked more legible and quicker to write, so I adopted that. Handwriting also depends on the situation: hasty scrawl for university lecture notes, neat and legible for a letter to a friend.
As a graphologist myself, and a natural talent bestowed onto me- reading someones signature is therapeutic, as well as nurturing. It is amazing how many I remember, and some in fear for, hope for most, and happy to be there when they needed it! Its like a vivid memory of a scene momentarily flickering on the left upper portion of my skull- when I tell of this vision to the person in front of me, they know what it is, myself no clue. There are no signatures the same, even twins,& each is unique.
I have a book on graphology written by a lady by the name of Andrea McNichol. A graphologist who works in califorina with the police departments. she reads statements made by different people. extremely interesting.
I broke my hand in 5 different places. I've lost slight ability to the point where my hockey game was slightly effected, and my hand writing. So I wounder what she'd say about mine.
The 'scrawl' arrives on your sheet of paper via your nervous system. Legibility is honesty, slow v. neat writing is either not very bright, or a a cover, context is important. Low std of writing leans to the negative aspects (illegible, slow, scrawl), high form std (legible, fast, clever connections) leans to positive aspects attributed to the writer. have fun, people are interesting & their writing is just a photo graph of their minds... it's real, and fun!
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What an arrogant man! "We are scientists!" Graphologists are not. "We are like astronomers. The other are like astrologist!" People like that supposed "scientist" are responsible of the modern tragedy in our schools. Those selfish people must be condemned like all the people who laughed commenting the documentary. This is barbaric!
Why not draw your self-portrait with the interviewer present? What I would give to see those files from top execs. That's psychology 101. Forget graphology, its claiming more than it actually proves.
She didnt blow up because her handwriting said she would. She blew up because she was being evaluated based on her handwriting. ANYONE would get mad if they found that out!
especially after SIX HOURS of interviewing, to be told that you might not get the job (that earns between 65k and 250k!) because your handwriting was a little too curvy or whatever.... Like if someone said, "That guy over there's extremely violent. All I did was throw water in his face, and he punched me!"
Haha. Look at Shermer's face when he's asking the expert about what slanted handwriting reveals.
No wonder the woman in the interview "blew up" when it was revealed they used graphology to evaluate her, I'd blow up as well if a professional employment agency told me they were seriously using graphology to effect my future.
Hahahaha, i havent heard greater stupidity in my entire life! Ive completely changed my handwriting. My own family cannot recognise it. So am i an entirely different person now? And i can write in two different handwritings now. hahaha! But i can say something about her. She just cannot find any true love in HER life and desperatelly wants 2.
I find your comment regarding James Randi insulting and you have proven your ignorance. If you want to know why he does what he does then look up "James Randi explains why he examines paranormal claims"
nontheistdavid as a professional magician I have met Randi and Shermer and know them well enough to say what I have said is true.You on the other hand are not only an ignorant fool that they will exploit but you are an angry fool. You are obviously a very unhappy person with terrible upbringing. It is not my fault your unwed mother gave you up for adoption.
WOW you met them so therefore you know their agenda!I guess you are a professional mind reader! Laughable. Interesting, you are a "professional" magician knowing that it is all slieght of hand yet you engage in psuedo science as well? Hmmm, you sound like those fraud psychics who start out knowing their are a fraud then start to believe their own bullshit! LOL
And actually I think you are the one who is unhappy with REALITY so therefore you believe in a bunch of psuedo garbage so it brings meaning to your life.
Wow Randi and Shermer exploit people by teaching critical thinking and THINKING FOR ONESELF! OH DEAR SUCH EXPLOITATION! Exposing frauds how deceitful! By protecting oneself from mountebanks from taking your money! Such exploitation! By keeping people who are vunerable to be milked by these frauds! OH DEAR LOL. You are the fool mr "magician". I bet you think Harry Potter really exist huh. LOL
Keep up the good work Mr Shermer, James Randi, Penn and Teller, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Howard Gardner, The publishers of Skeptic, Free enquiry, Skeptical enquirer, the books written by Carl Sagan and many more. Keep up the fight against ignorance and superstition in this technological age where you would think it would have died!
I hope in the future people like this along with psychics,conjurers,horrorscope publishers,mediums,adepts,new age gurus,and all the other mountebanks and charlatans are prosecuted for condoning stupidity and gullibility in society because the fact is THEY KNOW BETTER.
It is absolutely ABSURD to think scrawling some lines on a sheaf of paper reveals the complexity of the inner realms of a persons psychological makeup. Hell psychoanalysis is a joke and at least they spend hundreds of hours with clients and get to know them!
If the lady who was interviewed was not hired based on this absurd "test" I would sue the dumbasses! Micheal Shermer proves time and time again you can be an intelligent person in specific fields of knowledge but in general not be able to think critically at all.
Exactly you can "interpret" it however you want. Equivalant of horrorscopes and fat bitches like sylia browne. Wow I am a man of action! Intuitive! If I dont channel my feeling I may get into trouble! WTF?
It is obvious by your post that you have never had your handwriting analyzed by a competant analyst such as myself, if you had you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement.
What school of graphology can I attend and get my diploma! LOL. What a joke. Can you analyze the handwriting when I piss in the sand? LOL. How about analyzing chalk pictures and words kids draw on the sidewalk? LOL Stupid stupid stupid!
What exactly is your training to where you have become "competent" mister skepticalslayer? The advanced institute of graphology? I will use your method and claim that your name Slayer maybe points to the fact you hang out at Rennaisance festivals. lol
nontheistdavid, billon dollar corporations in both Europe and America used graphoanalysis in their hiring procedure. If you know so much more than they why is your bank account so tiny? Los Angeles City College has a course in it as well as many others. Please open your mind, learn from others, and drop your myopic agenda.Your insults only make you look ignorant.
Because BILLION dollar industries use it therefore it it is TRUE?LOL Joke. You automatically equate money with intelligence? PLEASE. Sounds like they blow money because they have it. Of course a course at los angeles city college does! IT IS LA! The fad capital of fantasyland! LOL
Also in addition I suggest that you not take my opinion, or any opinion, pro or con, but take a few classes in it and then you will better be able to intelligently judge for yourself. This advice holds true for anything, millions of people see things much differently than you. Shermer, Randi, and all those other professional pseudo septiks have an agenda to protect. I wish you well on your journey of discovery.
You just proved you are not a critical thinker. Because millions see things differently therefore it is true by vote. LOL Truth is just a matter of a poll. What idiocy! I suggest you pick up a book in the history of science and see how millions believed crap for centuries and were DISPROVEN by a FEW INDIVIDUALS who happen to be (big surprise) scientist! LOL.
If you can't see through this crap then you never will. Psuedoscience just AFFIRMS whatever you believed beforehand in the first place. Same old principles operate. You take account of what seems to affirm your already held belief and IGNORE all other evidence.
When Harvard or Oxford start teaching this as a telecourse then maybe I will take it more seriously!LOL. Los Angeles College? I am sure they have well known creditionals in the academic community.
I also like how you equate power with intelligence. For centuries up to even NOW(groan) Heads of States and Royalty continue to use astrology. Millionaires finance bigfoot expeditions and the search for Noah's Ark, Atlantis, and the lock ness monster etc etc So that argument just blew up in your face.
They have an agenda? Obviously you dont even understand the scientific method. Science is the most humble way of gathering knowledge objectively. Scientific theories are in principle tentative and can be falsified. If something cannot be seen to be in principle falsifiable then it is not worth persuing.
Second you obviously do not understand skepticism. It means you are always OPEN TO NEW EVIDENCE. Also the terms supernatural or paranormal really mean nothing. If a phenomenon really exist then it is just part of the NATURAL world.
Graphology is just like psychic "readings" and horrorscopes. The characteristics described apply to ANYBODY. We are all the same species with the same wants,fears,and emotions. In fact I could take this ladies results and just post them in a horrorscope and nobody would know the difference!LOL. Part 2 of this video is good enough for me.
Did they say that it works regardless of the language used to do the writing? I'd like to give her a sample of my Japanese compositions to see what she comes up with.
Any method/art that tries to study human behaviors has certain percentage of accuracy. We can not put persons in specific fixed categories. Rorschach projective inkblot test, Enneagram, Myers-Briggs Indicator, Graphology & analysis of drawings, Psychometry, Facereading, Herrmann Brain Dominance Indicator, Luscher color preference test and other scales/arts/tests are just tries to understand human behaviors. I believe that these tries are not sciences or pseudoscience but they are philosophies!!
Great Video. I think that when people rate her analysis as "highly accurate" it is probably little more than the Forer Effect.
Even the "negative" comments about Dr. Shermer's supposed personality traits could still be perceived as positive.....it sounds very much like an astrological "reading".
Shermer is a master manipulator as Sheila said his handwriting indicates. He has an agenda and has to find fault with whatever does not fit that agenda. His so called expert admits he knows nothing about graphology, how scientific is that? Shermer is just another Randibot, nothing more.
The upper zone is to do with eggs - how many you eat, how you like them, where you buy your eggs. The middle zone is allergies, what you're allergic to and how strong the allergy is. The lower zone is socks - and can indicate colour, size, even type of material. And I back this up with the evidence that you cannot disprove it, and we don't know everything about the world. Gospel.
hey 2012 yr 11 psychology students
luchenzione 8 hours ago
@garbidz "People love getting lied to"... People especially like hearing flattery. And believe any positive baloney. If the basis of belief is that it makes you feel important or special, The belief should be challenged !!
marsproject23 2 months ago
Just a point to the analysis of Michael Shermers hand writing and the comment about the good communicator. Being flattered tends to mute the critical instincts a bit. I am not finding fault. Just pointing out that he is a good communicator seems fitting, he is, look at the work that he does. But think about it, the person read a page of his writing. My assumption is the evidence for that was in the paragraphs he wrote, and not in the style of the writing of the letters. Kind of obvious.
marsproject23 2 months ago
this is conpleatly bull shit
FinalRustyNails 2 months ago
"Could be a con artist" - while I don't believe in graphology I must say that she hit the nail on that one. I mean it takes one to know one, right (just like the illusionist James Randi debunks psychics etc)? And his "con" was to try to get a faulty analysis of his own writing on false premises to debunk graphology.
Nobody holds monopoly over truth; neither Vatican, Richard Dawkins, Penn & Teller, James Randi, Billy Graham etc. Everyone has a subjective agenda of his own.
ZombieDragQueen 4 months ago
I would blow up too if you presented me with bullshit graphology results in a fucking job interview.
Blackbeard280 8 months ago
I tried some graphology that I read in the bookstore on one of my friends back in college. I took his notebook and told him what I thought his personality was based on his handwriting. I'd have to say he was surprised that I described him spot on.
MaximilianMontesa 1 year ago
I guess graphologists have never heard of self-fulfilling prophecies. If you tell a teacher that a student is gifted then that student will do well, if you tell a teacher that a student is a trouble maker then that student will do poorly, all regardless of what the student is really like. That's because the teacher's expectation alters their treatment of the student. Same thing with graphology. If you have preconceived notions about someone, you'll treat them in a way that elicits that response.
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
Tendency towardsssSSSS RRAGGEEE!!!!!
lolwhat221 1 year ago
It may be able to tell your mood at the time you wrote it -to a degree,but it certainly can't tell you anything more.
beefygoblin 1 year ago
are facial expressions or arm/hand gestures bunk when determining how a person feels while expressing themselves? if so then welcome to the world of aspergers
handwriting is another form of body language
troonorth 1 year ago
@troonorth You have astute insight. Handwriting is determined by psyches and our degree of muscle tension, as such it is indeed a form of body language.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
Graphology is not a "pseudo-science." The way a person writes expresses a great deal about the person because our handwriting is being dictated by our brains. If your hands were amputated and you had to write with a pen in your teeth you would attempt the same kind of writing as you did with your hands ... the shape, size, slant, etc.
Have the skeptics never heard that our brains are connected to our muscular system?
strawberryseason 1 year ago
Of course she blew up. You re telling her that her career depends on a load of ballony. Anyone would blow up there. Thats like saying: I bet when i call an african american a ni1ger he ll blow up. See?
omnissient 1 year ago
@omnissient and thats comparable because?
tupacalypse88 1 year ago
@omnissient ok i read yur comment before getting to that part of the vid so disregaurd that and im sorry
tupacalypse88 1 year ago
I'm concerned about this being used for a job interview. Besides, illness and/or disability in a job interview is a violation of USDOL. I liken this to a polygraph for pre-employment.
theedrstrangelove 1 year ago
An article appeared in the Ottawa Citizen a few days ago espousing graphology as a science. This is what happens when news staff aren't trained to differentiate between science and pseudoscience.
2MassEffect2 1 year ago
It never ceases to amaze me, how otherwise intelligent people fail to understand such a simple thing like the principle of graphology. I guess they may possess a generally high intelligence, but some of its components may be close to debility.
centrum99 1 year ago
Are there any graphologists in Ohio I can go see? Where do I find them?
spreadthegospel 1 year ago
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For those interested in seeing Shermer having his ass handed to him by the brilliant and far more "Bright" Stephen C. Meyer, check out my profile. Once you see the intellectual beatdown Meyer gives him you'll never look at Shermer the same again.
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signatureinthecell 1 year ago
You're right, it's not 100%--nothing to do with the complexities of human behavior can be.
It's not cold reading.
The recruiter did not base his decision solely on the handwriting analysis.
sheilalowe 1 year ago
I think this method can be used loosely, it's not 100% but it does contribute.
CompanionCubie 1 year ago
And if we all need an example of what he is saying at 0:25-0:32. Just read these comments and im sure since this is youtube. You will find a majority of people with this so called rage. lol
Metalitron12 1 year ago
master manupilator ahahhhaha she called him out
specter290 2 years ago
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Expose the Shermer liar. You are going to Hell, Shermer. You disgusting person.
ispypriestess 2 years ago
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ispypriestess 2 years ago
It's like cold reading that those tv psychics do, only on handwriting.
cenobite199 2 years ago 2
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@cenobite199 u guys are a bunch of idiots...funny how u guys cant explain 21 grams disappearing from the body at death, nor can u explain 'twins' and how 97% ALL have PSYCHIC PHENOMENA happen to them or the little itty bitty fact called NDE = u know NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES, < U KNOW THE MASS HALLUCINATIONS THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MILLIONS of PEOPLE in HISTORY! They all just dream up this BIG LIGHT COMING to call THEM or SOME LESSON about DARKNESS or LIGHT!....its either one of the other..all faked!
nightfoxseven 2 years ago
"Sho Blew up..."
To that idiot executive recruiter. If I have been interviewed for 6 hours and then being informed that I might be rejected because I do not cross my t properly or that the descender on my y's look crooked, I'll do more than blow up.
Gemmabeta 2 years ago 8
How sad that pseudoscience like this actually makes it past supposedly smart people. Far worse is that it affects real careers.
She is selling snake oil and, apparently, she's darned good at it.
celebrationofreason 2 years ago 3
So people with crappy handwriting due to bad hand-eye coordination are just assholes?
CENSOREDFORSEX 2 years ago
How about people like me who suffer from dyslexia? My handwriting has changed over the years considerably and will continue to do so since I have dyslexia. It is hardly fair to infer anything personality-wise based on such a disorder that is not at all connected with such issues.
Nocturnalux 2 years ago
Well according to this lady I guess you are just becoming more of a douche everyday lol.
CENSOREDFORSEX 2 years ago
Interesting point, Although most people with dyslexia have more symptoms reading than writing. Reading words can be mixed for example. A person may read the word Santa as Satan by mistake.
Metalitron12 1 year ago
But yeah this video is bs....
IDM011 2 years ago
Are you non-believers serious. Have you seriously not looked at someones handwriting and been able to see parts of them, haters....
IDM011 2 years ago
Idiots guide... What a great title!
rhov233 2 years ago
Wow. It's amazing how some people buy into this bullshit. Are you fucking kidding me?
helloworld1222 2 years ago
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Michael Shermer is such an idiot, he always tries to make people look bad, by saying things that don't make sense, and expect people to "buy it" she noticed the person that wrote it was a con artist/manipulative, and that shows up VERY easily when you listen to how he speaks, he tries to make people think how he thinks, even if it's stupid. It doesn't matter if someone WANTS to be very communicative, it's shows how someone IS, clearly Michael is, and so it showed up that he was.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
WOW he could be a con-artist, hhmm not unlike herself!!
vptpms 2 years ago
this is bullcrap. my hand writeing cant tell me who i am as a person that woman is a tart.
toxyoxin 2 years ago 2
your spelling can
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TygerCatCLC 2 years ago 2
When I was in junior high, one day the principal and the school psychologist came into the classroom, and announced who would be class President and Vicepresident, just like that. Later I learned this was what the shrink used to decide.
One of the kids who got picked was very shy and had no leadership skills, and the other never participated in anything. Too bad I didn't know back then what was going on.
This crap is indistinguishable from horoscopes.
1971ojoalparche1971 2 years ago
People get upset at the guy who exposes the trickster, not at the trickster himself! Seen Randi getting attacked by furious ladies when he showed how Sai Baba made holy ash and flower rain. Now look at the reactions Shermer is getting, not to mention Dawkins. People love getting lied to.
So why not?
Fool and his money should be parted!
garbidz 2 years ago 19
Actually, the saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon parted." But I actually thing your version is almost as valid.
underpantssquirrel 2 years ago
alas, I see too many fools still walking around loaded with money...something SHOULD be done about it
(I stand corrected)
garbidz 2 years ago
bladiebla! what a fake!! and she makes a lot o money from it too!
MasterMike44 2 years ago
What a con, your experiences come out in your handwriting. Your writing should change then but people continue writing the same way during their lives.
camino1ca 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA, Michael Shermer, the con artist! LMAO!
My favourite part is, "if he doesn't take his energy and channel it into positive things, he could get in trouble!" Isn't that true for every single human being on the planet? Animals, too. Robots and inanimate objects, too. LOL!
therugdoctoranimesux 3 years ago
I think she didn't know how to communicate what she meant properly.
or you could be generalizing what she said, it sounded to me that she meant HE has a lot of energy, not everyone has a lot of energy, so if you don't have a lot of energy then it wouldn't make much sense the statement, and so it's not true for everyone.
obviously if you have a lot of energy and you didn't put it towards positive things, it would be bad. but she's pointing out that HE has a lot of energy. and that's obvious.
1981z28camaro 2 years ago
'The Complete Idiot's Guide to Handwriting Analysis'-- It sounds like she knows her target audience.
I hope I never get arthritis-- I'd hate for my personality to change so much.
kittyprydekissme 3 years ago 2
I see it like psychology. Is psychology 100% percent true? No . Plus at the end he is like oh you are just trying to make them feel good she said I am just saying what I see. skeptics have just as much motive as others do
anothercan 3 years ago 3
pff bulshiet. i write last time by hand like 3months ago. so my write style is totally unbelivable unredable and is not becouse my brain is becouse i dont write much . in our society most of young ppl write much more via pc keyboard than pen ..
marcusdavidus 3 years ago
Just a minute into this video, I could tell this was bs.
k9lionheart 3 years ago
Your powers of observation are outstanding. You must be very proud.
lostagainrob 3 years ago 2
If graphology doesnt work then why is everyone's handwriting different? Why dont we all write the same?
Shurayuki18481 3 years ago
My voice is different from everybody else's. It doesn't follow that a voice analysis could determine my personality.
Zoid4077 3 years ago
Yes I understand for the mean time that graphology doesnt work but my questions is still the same, how come we all write different. There must be somethinig different in each of us to write differently. The same with voices, but voices can be moulded by country and language.
Shurayuki18481 3 years ago
How come we all write different?
We all have different sizes of hands.. we all have different ways of holding a pencil.. some people like to write neater because they see it as visually appealing, but that doesn't really show anything about their personality. Some people don't really care about neatness and write sloppily, but again that doesn't really show anything about personality. It's no different than astrology.
supakiwibaby 3 years ago
Another thing as you wrote, some people like to write neater because they see it as visually appealing because maybe they are self concious, feel the need to be perfect. Sloppiness could mean tiredness or stress. Astrology shouldnt be tested by people who aren't intact with their emotions and general intuition. Astrology cant be statistically proven, it doesnt work that way. Do you dream often supakiwibaby? If so how many times has it felt so real to you?
Shurayuki18481 3 years ago
For me, I write many different ways, sometimes slanted to the right, sometimes slanted to the left.. sometimes I write small, sometimes big, etc. My handwriting never looks the same twice. So if I gave that woman 3 or 4 samples of my handwriting, they will all come up as different personalities. lol
supakiwibaby 3 years ago
Well then there you go it shows that you could be an emotional person, is strong about their ideals and has down to earth attitudes about their opinions.
Shurayuki18481 3 years ago
@supakiwibaby You are probably a teen. Teens practice different slants and sizes of writing as they are trying on different identities. A teen's identity exploration is their developmental task at this stage of life, according to Erik Erikson.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason When I wrote that, I was a sophomore in college. I agree with what you say though.. I did experiment a lot with handwriting when i was a teen. However, my handwriting still does change depending on my mood - I just like expressing myself that way. :)
supakiwibaby 1 year ago
@Zoid4077 Are you kidding? Vocal expression tells very much about a person.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason I didn't mean vocal inflection or tone; I meant general qualities like pitch or smoothness. The fact that my voice is deep doesn't tell you anything about my personality. The poster I was responding to asked why, if graphology doesn't work, do we all write differently, and my point was that the uniqueness of a trait doesn't mean it provides insight into a person's character. I could just as easily have used, say, facial structure as a counterexample.
Zoid4077 1 year ago
"If graphology doesnt work then why is everyone's handwriting different? Why dont we all write the same?"
Because DNA is different. Because our muscle memory is different. Because you took a penmanship class.
You can tell right off that this is bullshit because if personality affects writing, then writing must also affect personality. You know this is untrue because stroke victims or accident victims can lose the abilty to write, but thier personality doesn't change and vice vera.
KemaTheAtheist 3 years ago
Thankyou, that was all i was looking for guys a nice clean logical answer. Thanks Kema
Shurayuki18481 3 years ago
writing doesnt necessarily have to affect personality. if stroke victims or anybody lost the ability to write, it would just simply mean that the person has written anything for a while. The only human emotion that would stem from that is frustration or sadness because that person cant write anymore. I love to play soccer, its my life, if I lost my right leg I would be devasted not to play soccer. Yet it wouldnt change who I was, it just means I havent played it for a while yet I long for it.
JohannesDances 2 years ago
"writing doesnt necessarily have to affect personality"
That's exactly what I said. Personality doesn't affect writing therefore graphology is bullshit.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
"because stroke victims or accident victims can lose the abilty to write, but thier personality doesn't change and vice versa"
only that stroke can change the personality as well
and the way it comes out
and the way the world is perceived
garbidz 2 years ago
"only that stroke can change the personality as well
and the way it comes out
and the way the world is perceived "
I didn't say it couldn't, but losing one doesn't mean you *have* to lose the other. You can lose ONLY the ability to write, or ONLY have a personality change. This means the parts are not linked. i.e. Graphology is bullshit.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
graphology is entertainment
strokes are not fun
garbidz 2 years ago
"graphology is entertainment"
People don't use it just for entertainment. That's the problem.
"strokes are not fun"
No shit? Did you really think I was suggesting they were?
How stupid are you?
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago 3
"How stupid are you? "
smart enough to see that you never practiced neurology
garbidz 2 years ago
The blue-eyes brown-eyes videos give a fairly good explanation for why the young woman "blew up." When you put someone in a box they react to it. Cops treat protesters like trouble-makers and you have a riot on your hands. Young and capable businesswoman is told she has an attitude and it might cost her the job she wants and she gets mad about it, I would too.
TheThomaswastaken 3 years ago 2
I can see some merit in graphology, but with something as dynamic as cognition and emotion, it's dangerous to begin to rely on something so ambiguous. I don't find it too difficult to believe that a person's personality can be expressed through the style of their writing. It is a form of communication and many of the same emotions go through us when we write just as we speak.
Even if it is valid, it should be used as a low-priority supplement to more comprehensive psychoanalyses.
Cosmodot256 3 years ago
Hi, it's very interesting. I would like check mine. Anyone can advise me how can i send her. Thanks
amah0007 3 years ago
She describes him perfectly. He is a man of action, he submitted his hand writing and he does all investigations. That is action. She said he is intuitive. This man defines this term intuitive to an extreme sense. Also, she said this intuition can cause harm if he does not channel this energy to a positive sense, he could get into hot water, which he does by asking the question who wouldn't want to be classified as this, instead of asking is the classification correct. She is spot on.
YouSpamTard 3 years ago
I saw Michael Shermer in a documentary about reincarnation (I can't remember the name of it). He and a doctor lady were saying that we pass through this life once and then just rot. By the end of the documentary, with the evidence presented, his opinions sounded ignorant. I don't really like the guy, but he's free to his opinions.
The drywall basics of graphology are correct, but once you get into the condition of a person's soul and so on, it gets a little questionable.
Weekyl 3 years ago
wow
Kujien 3 years ago
yeaa..she waz on the money with that "He could be a master manipulator" statement but they didnt let you hear the part after she said "hes very intuitive".Far all we know she could have found out it was his before he said "this is mine". ...its definitely worth watching part 2
ws83fam 3 years ago
Lol, it seems to me that these are the exact same techniques that are used in palm readings and tarot cards. Describe a bunch of things that could apply to almost anyone.
I call bullshit.
ogjimkenobi 3 years ago
lmao, what a joke. my father is a graphologist. this doesn't represent us. we pass blind tests separating high performers from low performers regularly, just from their handwriting.
charliehorse12345 3 years ago
I imagine that there is some simple truth to this idea. Angry people might write by pressing down harder, emotional people may like a gaudy handwriting. But I think this lady is way too far from the elementary reality.
yelloworangered 3 years ago
Graphology sounds just as daft as phrenology (the discredited "science" of judging someone's personality traits by the shape of their skull). At the age of 8 I learned cursive script handwriting. I wrote in this style for four years until we were taught a different style of handwriting. The second style looked more legible and quicker to write, so I adopted that. Handwriting also depends on the situation: hasty scrawl for university lecture notes, neat and legible for a letter to a friend.
picturepainter 3 years ago 2
As a graphologist myself, and a natural talent bestowed onto me- reading someones signature is therapeutic, as well as nurturing. It is amazing how many I remember, and some in fear for, hope for most, and happy to be there when they needed it! Its like a vivid memory of a scene momentarily flickering on the left upper portion of my skull- when I tell of this vision to the person in front of me, they know what it is, myself no clue. There are no signatures the same, even twins,& each is unique.
gamerzgirl05 3 years ago
I have a book on graphology written by a lady by the name of Andrea McNichol. A graphologist who works in califorina with the police departments. she reads statements made by different people. extremely interesting.
grandplans 3 years ago
I broke my hand in 5 different places. I've lost slight ability to the point where my hockey game was slightly effected, and my hand writing. So I wounder what she'd say about mine.
irondude71 4 years ago
The 'scrawl' arrives on your sheet of paper via your nervous system. Legibility is honesty, slow v. neat writing is either not very bright, or a a cover, context is important. Low std of writing leans to the negative aspects (illegible, slow, scrawl), high form std (legible, fast, clever connections) leans to positive aspects attributed to the writer. have fun, people are interesting & their writing is just a photo graph of their minds... it's real, and fun!
debracbotha 4 years ago
LOL
"This person is a master manipulator... could even be a conman"
boy, was she right on the mark there or what?!
stikmata07 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What an arrogant man! "We are scientists!" Graphologists are not. "We are like astronomers. The other are like astrologist!" People like that supposed "scientist" are responsible of the modern tragedy in our schools. Those selfish people must be condemned like all the people who laughed commenting the documentary. This is barbaric!
dondrub11 4 years ago
Why not draw your self-portrait with the interviewer present? What I would give to see those files from top execs. That's psychology 101. Forget graphology, its claiming more than it actually proves.
cricket000cricket 4 years ago
She didnt blow up because her handwriting said she would. She blew up because she was being evaluated based on her handwriting. ANYONE would get mad if they found that out!
Nietzsche68 4 years ago
especially after SIX HOURS of interviewing, to be told that you might not get the job (that earns between 65k and 250k!) because your handwriting was a little too curvy or whatever.... Like if someone said, "That guy over there's extremely violent. All I did was throw water in his face, and he punched me!"
ajc06 4 years ago
Haha. Look at Shermer's face when he's asking the expert about what slanted handwriting reveals.
No wonder the woman in the interview "blew up" when it was revealed they used graphology to evaluate her, I'd blow up as well if a professional employment agency told me they were seriously using graphology to effect my future.
maximillianknight 4 years ago
The sickest thing is that executive recruiters use this nonsense to evaluate potential hirees.
gnuworldorder 4 years ago 2
Hahahaha, i havent heard greater stupidity in my entire life! Ive completely changed my handwriting. My own family cannot recognise it. So am i an entirely different person now? And i can write in two different handwritings now. hahaha! But i can say something about her. She just cannot find any true love in HER life and desperatelly wants 2.
GeneNowok 4 years ago
I find your comment regarding James Randi insulting and you have proven your ignorance. If you want to know why he does what he does then look up "James Randi explains why he examines paranormal claims"
on ThinkerHA's page. Good Riddance.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
nontheistdavid as a professional magician I have met Randi and Shermer and know them well enough to say what I have said is true.You on the other hand are not only an ignorant fool that they will exploit but you are an angry fool. You are obviously a very unhappy person with terrible upbringing. It is not my fault your unwed mother gave you up for adoption.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
WOW you met them so therefore you know their agenda!I guess you are a professional mind reader! Laughable. Interesting, you are a "professional" magician knowing that it is all slieght of hand yet you engage in psuedo science as well? Hmmm, you sound like those fraud psychics who start out knowing their are a fraud then start to believe their own bullshit! LOL
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
And actually I think you are the one who is unhappy with REALITY so therefore you believe in a bunch of psuedo garbage so it brings meaning to your life.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Wow Randi and Shermer exploit people by teaching critical thinking and THINKING FOR ONESELF! OH DEAR SUCH EXPLOITATION! Exposing frauds how deceitful! By protecting oneself from mountebanks from taking your money! Such exploitation! By keeping people who are vunerable to be milked by these frauds! OH DEAR LOL. You are the fool mr "magician". I bet you think Harry Potter really exist huh. LOL
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Keep up the good work Mr Shermer, James Randi, Penn and Teller, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Howard Gardner, The publishers of Skeptic, Free enquiry, Skeptical enquirer, the books written by Carl Sagan and many more. Keep up the fight against ignorance and superstition in this technological age where you would think it would have died!
nontheistdavid 4 years ago 15
I forgot Paul Kurtz editor of skeptical enquirer who is in his 80's still exposing this garbage. Keep up the good work Paul.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
I also notice her book she wrote is an IDIOTS GUIDE to handwriting analysis. ENOUGH SAID!
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
I hope in the future people like this along with psychics,conjurers,horrorscope publishers,mediums,adepts,new age gurus,and all the other mountebanks and charlatans are prosecuted for condoning stupidity and gullibility in society because the fact is THEY KNOW BETTER.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
It is absolutely ABSURD to think scrawling some lines on a sheaf of paper reveals the complexity of the inner realms of a persons psychological makeup. Hell psychoanalysis is a joke and at least they spend hundreds of hours with clients and get to know them!
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
If the lady who was interviewed was not hired based on this absurd "test" I would sue the dumbasses! Micheal Shermer proves time and time again you can be an intelligent person in specific fields of knowledge but in general not be able to think critically at all.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Exactly you can "interpret" it however you want. Equivalant of horrorscopes and fat bitches like sylia browne. Wow I am a man of action! Intuitive! If I dont channel my feeling I may get into trouble! WTF?
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
It is obvious by your post that you have never had your handwriting analyzed by a competant analyst such as myself, if you had you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
What school of graphology can I attend and get my diploma! LOL. What a joke. Can you analyze the handwriting when I piss in the sand? LOL. How about analyzing chalk pictures and words kids draw on the sidewalk? LOL Stupid stupid stupid!
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
What exactly is your training to where you have become "competent" mister skepticalslayer? The advanced institute of graphology? I will use your method and claim that your name Slayer maybe points to the fact you hang out at Rennaisance festivals. lol
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
nontheistdavid, billon dollar corporations in both Europe and America used graphoanalysis in their hiring procedure. If you know so much more than they why is your bank account so tiny? Los Angeles City College has a course in it as well as many others. Please open your mind, learn from others, and drop your myopic agenda.Your insults only make you look ignorant.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
Because BILLION dollar industries use it therefore it it is TRUE?LOL Joke. You automatically equate money with intelligence? PLEASE. Sounds like they blow money because they have it. Of course a course at los angeles city college does! IT IS LA! The fad capital of fantasyland! LOL
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Also in addition I suggest that you not take my opinion, or any opinion, pro or con, but take a few classes in it and then you will better be able to intelligently judge for yourself. This advice holds true for anything, millions of people see things much differently than you. Shermer, Randi, and all those other professional pseudo septiks have an agenda to protect. I wish you well on your journey of discovery.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
You just proved you are not a critical thinker. Because millions see things differently therefore it is true by vote. LOL Truth is just a matter of a poll. What idiocy! I suggest you pick up a book in the history of science and see how millions believed crap for centuries and were DISPROVEN by a FEW INDIVIDUALS who happen to be (big surprise) scientist! LOL.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
If you can't see through this crap then you never will. Psuedoscience just AFFIRMS whatever you believed beforehand in the first place. Same old principles operate. You take account of what seems to affirm your already held belief and IGNORE all other evidence.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
When Harvard or Oxford start teaching this as a telecourse then maybe I will take it more seriously!LOL. Los Angeles College? I am sure they have well known creditionals in the academic community.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
I also like how you equate power with intelligence. For centuries up to even NOW(groan) Heads of States and Royalty continue to use astrology. Millionaires finance bigfoot expeditions and the search for Noah's Ark, Atlantis, and the lock ness monster etc etc So that argument just blew up in your face.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
They have an agenda? Obviously you dont even understand the scientific method. Science is the most humble way of gathering knowledge objectively. Scientific theories are in principle tentative and can be falsified. If something cannot be seen to be in principle falsifiable then it is not worth persuing.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Second you obviously do not understand skepticism. It means you are always OPEN TO NEW EVIDENCE. Also the terms supernatural or paranormal really mean nothing. If a phenomenon really exist then it is just part of the NATURAL world.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Graphology is just like psychic "readings" and horrorscopes. The characteristics described apply to ANYBODY. We are all the same species with the same wants,fears,and emotions. In fact I could take this ladies results and just post them in a horrorscope and nobody would know the difference!LOL. Part 2 of this video is good enough for me.
nontheistdavid 4 years ago
Did they say that it works regardless of the language used to do the writing? I'd like to give her a sample of my Japanese compositions to see what she comes up with.
ZEFED12 4 years ago
Any method/art that tries to study human behaviors has certain percentage of accuracy. We can not put persons in specific fixed categories. Rorschach projective inkblot test, Enneagram, Myers-Briggs Indicator, Graphology & analysis of drawings, Psychometry, Facereading, Herrmann Brain Dominance Indicator, Luscher color preference test and other scales/arts/tests are just tries to understand human behaviors. I believe that these tries are not sciences or pseudoscience but they are philosophies!!
DrXP59 4 years ago 2
Great post, I would've "blown up" too if I'd been confronted with handwriting analysis at a job interview
skipinski 4 years ago
Great Video. I think that when people rate her analysis as "highly accurate" it is probably little more than the Forer Effect.
Even the "negative" comments about Dr. Shermer's supposed personality traits could still be perceived as positive.....it sounds very much like an astrological "reading".
AquaOceanWave 4 years ago
She said Shermer is devious, and he is. His ridiculous infatuation of James Randi says volumes about his character and integrity.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
My name says exactly what I am about, the truth and the exposure of the lies of professional pseudo skeptics and their myopic agenda.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
O man. This is just ridiculous.
What if someone has a slight vision problem?
That would also cause someone's writing to be different.
Mojofilter17 4 years ago
Shermer is a master manipulator as Sheila said his handwriting indicates. He has an agenda and has to find fault with whatever does not fit that agenda. His so called expert admits he knows nothing about graphology, how scientific is that? Shermer is just another Randibot, nothing more.
skepticslayer1234 4 years ago
and your name says what your all about :)....
matthewlemon 4 years ago
And now, from our West of the Rockies line...
velvetsack 4 years ago
The upper zone is to do with eggs - how many you eat, how you like them, where you buy your eggs. The middle zone is allergies, what you're allergic to and how strong the allergy is. The lower zone is socks - and can indicate colour, size, even type of material. And I back this up with the evidence that you cannot disprove it, and we don't know everything about the world. Gospel.
velocitybird 4 years ago 2
velocitybird -
lol. brilliant
zakiechan 4 years ago
:-) LOL.
AquaOceanWave 4 years ago
These are great. I love every video.
air0day 4 years ago