Griffith is going to screw his constituancy in the ass. Go to the party that that created the mess and then blame the party that supported you. You can say it's a form of suicide though and that is what the people of north Al need. Independant thinking my ass.
Good, I am glad ONE politician in the govt has the balls to step up and tell this congress that the health care bill is nothing more then a gift to the insurance companies. The spending the democrats are doing is horrible, and this politician should be applauded for not being muscled into legislation. The democrats have to bribe their own members to sign on for this bill, what does that tell you?
Nah. I'm not a Republican. It is you GOPers who have spent the last 60 years pandering to the bigots. That's why the KKK endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984.
@AssclownShruggery- I agree the GOP has been pandering to the liberal asspupet racist baby killing exploiters of the poor demotards! and look where that has brought us, "The Obamageddon of America!!!
Nothing is funnier than a bunch of libtards and contards bitching about Democraps vs. Republicunts. This guy may be switching parties, but he's still a whore.
Good for him , he is standing by what he believes , i know you libs are going to attack him and call him a racist and all that other carp you libs like to throw out there
Excellent! This guy was considered to be in "very vulnerable" Democratic Seat, now he holds "very vulnerable" Republican seat! Hopefully he can smashed in 2010 by a real Democrat :)
I'm ashamed he represents my state! We need REAL Democrats, not FAKE ones! He got his paycheck from the insurance companies and now he's set. Hope he chokes on all that money, while people die because they don't have decent health care!! He never cared about health care. That VALUES crap he and fellow Republicans spew is a load of CRAP! Too many Republican reps = a lot of poor, if not, dead people! They care about abortion, but not the hungry mother who has to feed her child! Backward SEULAV!
This is just so funny after seeing those NRCC attack ads against him. I thought he was too dangerous for America......guess not when it means it will increase your own numbers.
I don't get it. There are two videos on here from the NRCC saying he's a terrible man. The republicans don't like him either. Are they going to accept him now because he has an (R) next to his name. He's the same man with the same issues they didn't like. Are the reublicans saying they don't like him if he's an independant but they like his bad points as long as he's a republican? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm really confused.
@integral He switched from a failed party to the party of America, the GOP. He never "pretended," since he was IN the Democrat caucus. No, I don't watch Glenn Beck.
North Alabama relies on the federal government a sizable number of jobs, school funding supplemental funds, and federal grants. I hope Mr. Criffith remains true to his core political beliefs and renounces all these benefits. Please don't be another Republican liar who denounces government spending while always reaching for more. Also, relay to your voters that you want them to reject government programs that promote their education, income, and safety.
Ha !!! You spiteful libs can't get enough daggers into this guy's back quickly enough on his way out the door, can you???
You all thought you had the hill all locked up for years to come...
Griffith represents just the first fissures to begin showing, there may be more as the next elections near and nervous incumbants realize they don't stand a chance in the coming tidal wave at the polls.
And don't forget- Griffith won't be voting with your ilk any longer for the rest of his term
I'm not sticking any daggers in his back. I'm just questioning rather or not he truly believes what he claims to support. Like most Republicans, he's being a little less than honest about his convictions. People in Alabama receive poor enough healthcare and education as it is. The last thing they need is another politician telling them they should settle for less. As for being spiteful, this guy is one more fool the Democrats can do without.
It's good to see that some of our legislators are waking up and that not all of them are 'sell out' whores with idiotic unconditional loyalties to a particular group that is so largely just WRONG and WRONGFUL with their intents and actions. - -
Was he concerned when young American lives were being snuffed out in a joke of a war? None of them were. Suddenly, the right is so concerned and involved. Where the fuck were they for the past 8 years?
Hey Chuck why don't you tell us whats "CHANGED" since then, could it be that Obamageddon has started a third fucking war? or that he didn't repeal the patriot act that you all complained about and "rightly so", but instead furthered its intrusive powers! or the fact that Obamageddon has not kept not one of his campaign promises????? WAKE UP!!
Hey Bobo, you put a dumb cowboy in charge, he flushed your country down the toilet, and you were stupid enough to vote him in again. The right can get away with anything and you'll vote for them again anyway. And you want me to wake up?
Don't let the screen door hit your fat, opportunistic ass on the way out. Hopefully the next election will crystallize the differences between progressives and conservatives.
"since I'm all for business and money and against choice and freedom, I've made the fucking easy decision to join the party that I'll fit right into. I've already been issued my standard index cards of talking points and I'll be happy to recite them if any of you want to ask me a question. Lobbyists, I'll be serving wine and caviar at my office."
Oh wow. An opportunistic slob wants to be re-elected. Who would've thunk it from a politician. Golllllllly.
Come on now. Fuck the career politicians on both sides of the aisle. This guy's about as honest as Spectre. Just another career poitician trying to hold onto his seat.
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@chingon711 He doesn't have to change anything. He's basically the most conservative Democrat (or at least former) in the House. I'll guess he ran on the Democratic ticket because he knew he would never win the GOP primary.
Good riddance, he usually voted with the GoPer's anyway.
alabama can't survive on prayer, guns, and tons of uneducated unwanted babies, but that's what these "core values and beliefs" southern pols keep putting on the table for these poor souls to live on. makes my heart sick.
Flip flopping gutless POS. Goodbye, you won't be missed. You have no values or convictions. You losing, as a Republican, will be good for our Country. I prayed on it too and God said you are not worthy. In fact I can't even use the words he told me because kids might be reading the comments. "Hasta la vista, Mofo" -Rick Perry, Republican Gov. of Texas, for now. He'll be joining you soon dude.
@jjrglobal Griffith was a Dem. in name only. Why should the Dem's "change their ways" when everything they've passed to date has strong public support? The Dem's are giving the majority what they voted for, and would be giving it even quicker if the GOP would grow the fuck up and start acting like adults.
The stimulus bill didn't have public support, or his multi trillion dollar budget, come to think of it neither did cap and trade or this health care bill!!!
What fuckin delusional world are you living in, none of Obama's policies have had a majority of the public behind them, which is why his approval rating is 46% and dropping like a stone.
This is a clear windsock move by a dirtbag southerner.
The NRCC ran some ads against him that were NUTS, and he's throwing in with them because he want one thing: reelection. Its not about he people its all about reelection.
That's one of the duel edged swords or our system: reps are on a timetable that ensures they are sucking people off for votes instantly after election.
I hope the Dems MAUL him in ads, playing the NRCC's atttack ads with funny commentary is a slam dunk.
so you went from an Independent to a Republican just so you can bash the Dems. That makes perfect sense. Must have received promises and money from the GOP to vote their way. Talk about buying votes.
@videotodaynews Its going to be fun watching the liberal agenda blow up in all you assclowns faces! can't wait to see all your heads start spinning!!!! LMMFAO!!!!!
Actually, if you'd read Thomas Schaller's "Whistling Past Dixie" or Paul Waldman's "Being Right is not Enough" you'd see that the current Democratic party's agenda is to pull off a 'reverse southern strategy,' and this fits in with it perfectly.
The plan is to capture the moderate middle ground, leave southern extremist Republicans alone while going after GOP moderates in other areas with everything they've got. Thus making the GOP southern enough and extreme enough so as to be unelectable.
Hey assclown, the Liberalassclown agenda is to turn this country into a third world nation! face it there are no true democrats left in the democratic party, they have been hijacked by the communist party, if you want to see there vision of the future take a look at Detroit because that's the agenda.
And, according to their agenda, you're a perfect spokesman for the Republican party. Loud, belligerent, illiterate and dumb. Keep up the good work. :)
@TrollBuster9090 Shut your cock hole you asspuppet! and next time use the reply feature so I know when your addressing me! or are you just another whispering eye?
This man has TRUE CHARACTER, unlike the other dembos who PELOUSY is leading OVER a CLIFF.
TSUNAMI NOVEMBER 02, 2010.
3martijns 2 years ago
Griffith is going to screw his constituancy in the ass. Go to the party that that created the mess and then blame the party that supported you. You can say it's a form of suicide though and that is what the people of north Al need. Independant thinking my ass.
DamnyankPaPa 2 years ago
He knows unemployment is ready to hit the government !
out2gtme 2 years ago
Good, I am glad ONE politician in the govt has the balls to step up and tell this congress that the health care bill is nothing more then a gift to the insurance companies. The spending the democrats are doing is horrible, and this politician should be applauded for not being muscled into legislation. The democrats have to bribe their own members to sign on for this bill, what does that tell you?
Zoklor 2 years ago
Bye bye, asshole. It's always interesting to what people jump on the Titanic, rather than off it.
diffidatio 2 years ago
Good riddance. All over Alabama crosses are being lit in celebration of Griffith's switch.
AtlasShruggery 2 years ago
@AtlasShruggery- you racist bastards just wont quit will ya!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
"you racist bastards"?
Nah. I'm not a Republican. It is you GOPers who have spent the last 60 years pandering to the bigots. That's why the KKK endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984.
AtlasShruggery 2 years ago
@AssclownShruggery- I agree the GOP has been pandering to the liberal asspupet racist baby killing exploiters of the poor demotards! and look where that has brought us, "The Obamageddon of America!!!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
vntgtin 2 years ago
Guess the rats are fleeing the sinking ship !
hobo59 2 years ago
Nothing is funnier than a bunch of libtards and contards bitching about Democraps vs. Republicunts. This guy may be switching parties, but he's still a whore.
CarryANationIII 2 years ago 2
racist
sorensenallan 2 years ago
Good for him , he is standing by what he believes , i know you libs are going to attack him and call him a racist and all that other carp you libs like to throw out there
cocobear33 2 years ago
so he was already a republican
Mostdef 2 years ago
No more health insurance money for you, Little Mister. :(
PerryLogan 2 years ago
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And nothing of value was lost.
nilesthecat 2 years ago
What are Alabama values?
civilheart 2 years ago
Libtards are destroying the country, good move congressman, we need many more like you!
TyredUvBS 2 years ago
Excellent! This guy was considered to be in "very vulnerable" Democratic Seat, now he holds "very vulnerable" Republican seat! Hopefully he can smashed in 2010 by a real Democrat :)
asphyxiafeeling 2 years ago 2
I'm ashamed he represents my state! We need REAL Democrats, not FAKE ones! He got his paycheck from the insurance companies and now he's set. Hope he chokes on all that money, while people die because they don't have decent health care!! He never cared about health care. That VALUES crap he and fellow Republicans spew is a load of CRAP! Too many Republican reps = a lot of poor, if not, dead people! They care about abortion, but not the hungry mother who has to feed her child! Backward SEULAV!
odetomy 2 years ago 2
TL;DL = My constituents are ignorant rednecks and I want to get re-elected in 2010.
wnnw98 2 years ago
wait aminute... who gives a flying fuck about alafuckingbama?
PEPEelZAPATISTA 2 years ago
This is just so funny after seeing those NRCC attack ads against him. I thought he was too dangerous for America......guess not when it means it will increase your own numbers.
MexicanMetlAC 2 years ago
I don't get it. There are two videos on here from the NRCC saying he's a terrible man. The republicans don't like him either. Are they going to accept him now because he has an (R) next to his name. He's the same man with the same issues they didn't like. Are the reublicans saying they don't like him if he's an independant but they like his bad points as long as he's a republican? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm really confused.
johndpieper 2 years ago
Thank you, Congressman, for saving America.
amrite 2 years ago
lollerskate
yeah, he stopped pretending to be a Democrat and saved America
you don't happen to watch Glenn Beck on a regular basis, do you?
integral 2 years ago 2
@integral He switched from a failed party to the party of America, the GOP. He never "pretended," since he was IN the Democrat caucus. No, I don't watch Glenn Beck.
amrite 2 years ago
"to the party of America"
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
studio7manga 2 years ago
ha ha dumpocraps...
azjeff1971 2 years ago
Speaking as his constituent: buh-bye, Griffith! The teabaggers hate you and the Democrats are now betrayed. Nice knowing you!
rumisouth 2 years ago
Hes just doing this cause Republicans are gunna take over next year and He wants to be on the Winning team!
dearparkcar1 2 years ago
@dearparkcar1 Maybe. Either way, Democrats get their ass handed to them next year. good luck.
amrite 2 years ago
If the Dems had any spine they would throw him out before he can leave on his own accord.
sonyavsystem 2 years ago
Bye Bye...dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!
kurtdawolf 2 years ago
Who?
route99 2 years ago 2
North Alabama relies on the federal government a sizable number of jobs, school funding supplemental funds, and federal grants. I hope Mr. Criffith remains true to his core political beliefs and renounces all these benefits. Please don't be another Republican liar who denounces government spending while always reaching for more. Also, relay to your voters that you want them to reject government programs that promote their education, income, and safety.
LarcheOsborne 2 years ago
Ha !!! You spiteful libs can't get enough daggers into this guy's back quickly enough on his way out the door, can you???
You all thought you had the hill all locked up for years to come...
Griffith represents just the first fissures to begin showing, there may be more as the next elections near and nervous incumbants realize they don't stand a chance in the coming tidal wave at the polls.
And don't forget- Griffith won't be voting with your ilk any longer for the rest of his term
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
Dan, if you're really trying to make yourself look ridiculous, it's working.
integral 2 years ago
I'm not sticking any daggers in his back. I'm just questioning rather or not he truly believes what he claims to support. Like most Republicans, he's being a little less than honest about his convictions. People in Alabama receive poor enough healthcare and education as it is. The last thing they need is another politician telling them they should settle for less. As for being spiteful, this guy is one more fool the Democrats can do without.
LarcheOsborne 2 years ago
Spin, spin, spin away all you like.
No matter...
The pendulum has reached its furthest swing and is on its way back through and gaining momentum exponentially
Here you play again a tired old leftist standard- "quoting" things I did not say, FAIL- go back to square one.
You libs thought you had a wide open run as far as the eye could see...
The once hidden agenda now revealed has done nothing but revile the masses you counted on as yours. You blew it .
Could have had it all.
You blew it...
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
I have no idea what you are talking about. Try saying it again in coherent sentences.
LarcheOsborne 2 years ago
hey moron - the GOP under bush voted for the bailout
marniespeaks 2 years ago 4
Hey meathead so didn't most democrats!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
but this idiot didn't become a democrat asswipe
marniespeaks 2 years ago
@marniespeaks Well at least we agree on one thing, you are an idiot!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
learn English
marniespeaks 2 years ago 2
@marniespeaks - Which comment is giving you trouble dumbass???
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
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lhooq21 2 years ago
Wow, this guy swims out to the Titanic and climbs onboard.
Richardgwm 2 years ago 4
don't let the doorknob slam into your ass and get wedged into your asshole on the way out you fucking retard
KataVideo 2 years ago
alabama..'nuff said
Somai82 2 years ago
It's good to see that some of our legislators are waking up and that not all of them are 'sell out' whores with idiotic unconditional loyalties to a particular group that is so largely just WRONG and WRONGFUL with their intents and actions. - -
MAGNETGRUNT 2 years ago
Good Bye!
lawilson200 2 years ago
Was he concerned when young American lives were being snuffed out in a joke of a war? None of them were. Suddenly, the right is so concerned and involved. Where the fuck were they for the past 8 years?
charlie44441 2 years ago 2
Hey Chuck why don't you tell us whats "CHANGED" since then, could it be that Obamageddon has started a third fucking war? or that he didn't repeal the patriot act that you all complained about and "rightly so", but instead furthered its intrusive powers! or the fact that Obamageddon has not kept not one of his campaign promises????? WAKE UP!!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Bobo, your inability to sound like a sane person is showing. Maybe you need stronger anti-psychotics.
integral 2 years ago 2
@antegral- Hey assclown with this new health care scam your dumbass will pay for them!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
"Hey assclown with this new health care scam your dumbass will pay for them"
What? Your doses of Risperidone? Believe me, if it'll stop you from getting into arguments with lamp posts it will be money well spent.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago
Hey Bobo, you put a dumb cowboy in charge, he flushed your country down the toilet, and you were stupid enough to vote him in again. The right can get away with anything and you'll vote for them again anyway. And you want me to wake up?
charlie44441 2 years ago 3
@charlie44441 Shut your cock hole! and worry about the mess your country is in!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing that with me, Bobo.
charlie44441 2 years ago
@charlie44441 - any time Chuckles!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
he from alabama that dose not surprise me.
doink1422 2 years ago
He's just hopping on the bandwagon.
He knows the R's will gain seats in the house in 2010, and he wants to take advantage of the trend.
freesk8 2 years ago
But they won't take enough to regain control of either house, so they'll still be the bad joke of DC.
integral 2 years ago
he knows he is going to loose, he has to switch parties lol, what a disgraced piece of shit
Waranle 2 years ago 4
HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH
TheMadronas 2 years ago
good luck trying to survive as a moderate republican dickface!
sirdaveysockrocker 2 years ago
Cool.
Proves some democrats think independently!
joshpnw 2 years ago
you are a tool, independent does go to REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Waranle 2 years ago
Don't let it hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
Good riddance, you Southern teabagger POS!
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
Don't let the screen door hit your fat, opportunistic ass on the way out. Hopefully the next election will crystallize the differences between progressives and conservatives.
fishhead06 2 years ago
who cares both parties are hypocritical corpratist whores.
SYNICtheAtheist 2 years ago 4
Rats starting to jump the ship in anticipation of the November spanking that is coming!
BiggestRufus 2 years ago
NRCC ripped Griffith a new one. Our whole system is a sham. Griffith is a whore to lobbyists, and will do anything to get re-elected.
ubernerd35 2 years ago
good riddance!
ho2cultcha 2 years ago
... who?
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago
"since I'm all for business and money and against choice and freedom, I've made the fucking easy decision to join the party that I'll fit right into. I've already been issued my standard index cards of talking points and I'll be happy to recite them if any of you want to ask me a question. Lobbyists, I'll be serving wine and caviar at my office."
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago 5
One more for us...
spheremaster 2 years ago
How awkward... They did attack ads against him
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago 2
Oh wow. An opportunistic slob wants to be re-elected. Who would've thunk it from a politician. Golllllllly.
Come on now. Fuck the career politicians on both sides of the aisle. This guy's about as honest as Spectre. Just another career poitician trying to hold onto his seat.
PotheadPundit 2 years ago 4
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usrevolution2 2 years ago
Reminds me of ol' Phil "Y'all are whiners" Gramm in the 80's. He's been dogshit, in my mind, for nearly 30 years now.
Wisegeorge 2 years ago 2
Wow....The ppl of that state probably threatened not to vote for him if he didn't switch parties, change his values and conform with their demands...
chingon711 2 years ago
@chingon711 He doesn't have to change anything. He's basically the most conservative Democrat (or at least former) in the House. I'll guess he ran on the Democratic ticket because he knew he would never win the GOP primary.
Good riddance, he usually voted with the GoPer's anyway.
kaysandesses 2 years ago 2
alabama can't survive on prayer, guns, and tons of uneducated unwanted babies, but that's what these "core values and beliefs" southern pols keep putting on the table for these poor souls to live on. makes my heart sick.
junkforkaryn 2 years ago 3
They can survive on their welfare checks...
filorps 2 years ago
Alabama. 'Nuff said.
kevmo99 2 years ago 3
LIBERALRACISTASSCLOWNS!!! is that the new mantra?? moron!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Flip flopping gutless POS. Goodbye, you won't be missed. You have no values or convictions. You losing, as a Republican, will be good for our Country. I prayed on it too and God said you are not worthy. In fact I can't even use the words he told me because kids might be reading the comments. "Hasta la vista, Mofo" -Rick Perry, Republican Gov. of Texas, for now. He'll be joining you soon dude.
Wisegeorge 2 years ago 5
But the GOP is running their typical dishonest attack adds against this guy; now he's one of them??? Wtf is going on here?
AtheistOnTheEdge 2 years ago 2
If Democrats want to return to DC they better change their ways pretty damn fast
jjrglobal 2 years ago
@jjrglobal Griffith was a Dem. in name only. Why should the Dem's "change their ways" when everything they've passed to date has strong public support? The Dem's are giving the majority what they voted for, and would be giving it even quicker if the GOP would grow the fuck up and start acting like adults.
kaysandesses 2 years ago 4
@kayIgotsandinmypussy
What public support are you talking about?
The stimulus bill didn't have public support, or his multi trillion dollar budget, come to think of it neither did cap and trade or this health care bill!!!
What fuckin delusional world are you living in, none of Obama's policies have had a majority of the public behind them, which is why his approval rating is 46% and dropping like a stone.
jjrglobal 2 years ago
it is a lot easier to just say no. instead of working for solutions. f u a hole
kargenlewis 2 years ago 2
Another Blue Bitch bites the dust.
Good Riddance Motherfucker.
Ed76638 2 years ago 5
This is a clear windsock move by a dirtbag southerner.
The NRCC ran some ads against him that were NUTS, and he's throwing in with them because he want one thing: reelection. Its not about he people its all about reelection.
That's one of the duel edged swords or our system: reps are on a timetable that ensures they are sucking people off for votes instantly after election.
I hope the Dems MAUL him in ads, playing the NRCC's atttack ads with funny commentary is a slam dunk.
Bunnicula71 2 years ago 9
so you went from an Independent to a Republican just so you can bash the Dems. That makes perfect sense. Must have received promises and money from the GOP to vote their way. Talk about buying votes.
videotodaynews 2 years ago 8
@videotodaynews Its going to be fun watching the liberal agenda blow up in all you assclowns faces! can't wait to see all your heads start spinning!!!! LMMFAO!!!!!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
Good luck with Sarah Palin in 2012!
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago
@TheRamenAvenger LMFAO!! is that all you gat assclown!!! Hahahahahaha Hhahahahahaha!!! keep drinking the BRAWNDO!!!
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
... no, actually it's all you've got.
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago
Actually, if you'd read Thomas Schaller's "Whistling Past Dixie" or Paul Waldman's "Being Right is not Enough" you'd see that the current Democratic party's agenda is to pull off a 'reverse southern strategy,' and this fits in with it perfectly.
The plan is to capture the moderate middle ground, leave southern extremist Republicans alone while going after GOP moderates in other areas with everything they've got. Thus making the GOP southern enough and extreme enough so as to be unelectable.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 2
Hey assclown, the Liberalassclown agenda is to turn this country into a third world nation! face it there are no true democrats left in the democratic party, they have been hijacked by the communist party, if you want to see there vision of the future take a look at Detroit because that's the agenda.
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
And, according to their agenda, you're a perfect spokesman for the Republican party. Loud, belligerent, illiterate and dumb. Keep up the good work. :)
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 2
@TrollBuster9090 Shut your cock hole you asspuppet! and next time use the reply feature so I know when your addressing me! or are you just another whispering eye?
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
I used the reply feature, Jethro. That's why my comment appears below yours. Try to keep up. It's not exactly quantum mechanics.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 2
Does this guy not see the ad they just made on him sad sack of shit
gaji1 2 years ago
Good riddance!
sevadaj 2 years ago 3
More like coming out of the closet than switching party.
Visfen 2 years ago 9
wtf
BullnBearAnalytics 2 years ago