how is sin transmitted from one person to another if it is transgression of God's Law? Is sin a substance that can be examined? The Jews didn't believe in this false doctrine and "barmitzvah" refutes original sin because it means when one is accountable to God's commandments. The bible makes it clear that we are sinful from youth, not birth. All it is is an excuse to keep you in sin. We die physically from Adam & Eve's sin but die spiritually from our own sins.
To overcome sin in the next life.? This is unbelieveable, why very few should teach. There will be no Nature to sin eternally.We will be one with our Creator in Nature. Sin will have no existence or power or nature.Sin and temptation in the next life.? Who will tempt What nature will oppose the Virtue of God We will need to be born again to overcome sin in the next life? The very first time I've heard this, incredible theology. But if you think heaven is old Adam life image I can understand
Adam never had fullness exactness in Image of God. Perfect, wise, righteous,image of Almighty God Adam himself, was before the fall.? Adam never carried these qualities in Image. Adam was flesh He could never carry perfect righteousness of likeness or wisdom perfect. Restored image.?We are NEVER to be restored to Adam before the fall, never.! Back into the Image of God lost.? Christ is the only exactness of Image and Christ was the only One revealing it.God's Image was Christ not Adam
Adam never had spiritual disease. Everything Adam had was physical. He knew Christ physically.There was no spiritual life as of yet.He knew Satan physically.Adam passed on not sin, but death from sin. All who consummate pass death from sin.Adam was flesh not a goal for believers to attain.Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God.Adam had nothing compared to what we have now in Spirit.How can I inherit Adam's spiritually dead corrupt image.? Adam was flesh with no spiritual image.
you see the lies in your bible writen by jews whom corrupt the bible they make god like a man walking the second lie the serpent there is no serpent at all satan who whisper to adam and eve the other lie the tree is a pradise tree and not an apple tree the other lie god to tell the serpent you will crawl and eat sand all your live did you a serpent eat sand if you want i give you more lies in the bible falsified by the jews contact me oudihmidah@yahoo.fr
i would punch the narrator in the face only because his dialouge sounds silly. but the stuff hes saying good. you will surely diiiiiieeee die. simply die dangit. ENGLISH!
Snakes can't talk. They don't have vocal chords, lips, or teeth... all of which are necessary for speaking. Not to mention snakes do not have a developed cerebral cortex which is where language occurs. This is obvious mythology. Please be real.
"Scripture teaches that Jesus was a man. The doctrine of original sin teaches that man is corrupted because of Adam's transgression. If that doctrine is true, either Jesus was born a sinner or He was not a man.. He did come in the flesh and He was without sin".
@kub73158 Well, first of all we dont know that was that womans seed used or not, cause we cant look into the womb like this, second of all, if God wants to reveal himself as man, then its like a man whos writing a book and creates a character inside the book that hes going to use as himself to reveal himself to the other characters cause book is a closed system and that is why I think the argument that no1 can see God, at this state right now because you would die if you'd get out of the system.
@Estzenify and because of this very thing Jesus sayd: He whos has seen me has seen The Father.
And sin is not some material, its a state which we all are born, and we cant and arent able to fight that, but God can, Sin makes our minds corrupt. The biblical fact is that Jesus was sinless and if we would conclude him sinful, then he couldnt have payed the price at calvary cause sacrifice had to be pure-clean with no mistake. In here we can understand much things but not all things. 1 corinth 13:12
3rd of all Id conclude, that its not impossible to create something out of nothing, so the 3rd option would be that marys seed was created inside of her womb, which really was her seed cause it was put to there, but theoretically it was the type of seed which would have been used in a real sexual act. But this all is just theoretical and stupid. Jesus was and is the real prohpecy cause He really did fulfill everything what was prophecied ! So that many people could be free,Isaiah53:11
All my sin is under the Cross paid for past, present,future. So what sin are you refering too? God told Cain to Master the sin offering" its desire is for you but you must master it Cain must administer the proper sacrifice Ask your Pastor if you have one or look at the Hebrew it is not sin mastered but sin offering. To get saved Christ must be exclusive sacrifice for my sin not religion but the Person.Only He can satisfy God on my behalf
@droptozro There is no question that Jesus, through the incarnation, became the "likeness of sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3), and that He was "tempted in all points like us, but without sin" (Heb.4:15). But the question remains, 'did Christ have the stain of Original sin?'. The answer is NO! "...that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" (Mt.1:20). Jesus was not conceived by the seed of a man, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. Therefore, no stain of Original sin.
"Jesus was not conceived by the seed of man"--ouch, lots of verses to correct that claiming He was of the seed of David, of Abraham, and every single time a Jew reads "Son of Man" it means "son of Adam", meaning He came from the seed of David--through Mary... through Mary, Jesus was given His humanity, and through the Holy Spirit His being God. Sorry, unless you're a catholic who believes Mary was sinless--you're incorrect I'm afraid.
@droptozro Being of the seed is only used for lineage. Mary was not sinlesss nothing of her made up the body of Jesus . Jesus was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit. His flesh and blood was unique to God for sacrifice.The sinful nature is in the blood passed in death. Man without sin (though not possible) is still helplesss. Because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God.Mary was flesh and blood corrupt. Her lineage was important for a direct line to David but not in blood sinful.
"nothing of her made up the body of Jesus"--sorry, the Bible and the entire Early church would call you a heretic for saying that(so would I). That's outright Gnosticism to say she was only a "vessel" and His humanity did not come from being born of her womb.
As for all the sinful nature comments, that's just man's rhetoric to try to bypass their bad theology to begin with--it's not found in the Bible. Sinful nature isn't even in the Greek, it's "sarx"--flesh and flesh alone.
@droptozro the Bible is predicated on the fact that Jesus was born free of flesh blood corrupt. Mary's womb was overtaken in the Greek. The Spirit formed , made, designed exclusive blood of Christ. Or He would be unworthy for atonement. Spotless without defect unlike blood of man. Jesus Christ was man like any other man but not like any other man, no contradiction.Blood is in the Bible as a nature of death in the flesh coming from a man of sinful nature to consummate.The nature of reproduction
Can you prove a word of what you just said with the Bible? Because there is plenty to show contrary that I can think of right now, I'd just have to go search out the verses I have in mind.
The "sinful nature" doesn't exist. Again, if the NIV was consistent, it would say Jesus came in the sinful nature also... it's a lie.
Also, take some time to look up the Ante-Nicean church views on the virgin birth and gnosticism on the virgin birth. Make sure you align with the right one.
@droptozro Yea I can prove after Adam ate he consummated with Eve ( Cain and Abel ) and passed death through the blood. All men die ultimately because of bad blood. The life is in the blood. Death passed upon all men because all sinned. There is no possible way to consummate without passing on the death which came from man's sin nature physically.Adam passed death by sin because all flesh without sin if possible still cannot attain heaven, because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God
@droptozro Romans 5:12 twelve never says I inherrited Adam's sin but his death by nature. Adam passed the physicality of death blood and flesh which all men sin by.Except Jesus Christ the perfect ,man borne not of the nature of consummation of man's sinful physical nature(flesh which is powerless and must sin). Christ is perfect Atonement by unique flesh and blood.
If we "must sin"-then there is no need for Christ. If I must by necessity sin, I cannot be righteously condemned for hell for it-so Christ didn't need to die. The whole point of the "wages of sin is death" allures to choice. I have no disagreement the the flesh is weak, and there is temptation everywhere--but it's not "must." Everyone WILL sin though, because God sees the future, and no man will live without sin but Christ.
Even Cain was told to "master sin"--because he could.
@droptozro Flesh cannot not,not sin it is powerless. But even so flesh cannot enter the kingdom of God, its nature is not conformed to Christ Image. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. Adam before the fall never had a glorified body Sin or don t sin you need a Savior to conform you to the Image of God in Spirit.
@droptozro well that was the God that Martin Luther served, you should read M.Luther "Bondage of the will"
Are you saying God tells and commands people to do things they cannot do, and then punishes them for it?
Is that the righteous god you serve?"
For this I'd answer read Romans 3:20 and nail it to the top of it.
And Yes thats the God, I serve cause from the law comes knowledge of sin and if we would able to stand with the law and able to keep it then there wouldnt be Christ needed.
@droptozro You should read Martin Luther's "Bondage of the will" - Yes, that is the God he served and all the apostles and christians have forever served. Nail Romans 3:20 to the top of it all. And from the law comes the knowledge of sin, and if we would be able to stand against the law then there wouldnt be Christ needed at all. Law condems and it shows who we really are, foremost people dont wanna know who they really are ... Law shows it. It says to love your God with all your heart, no1 does
Romans 3:20 doesn't say God commands people to do things they cannot do---the law is good, and shows a person their condemned state for sinning against God.
No, I'd rather not touch anything ML had to say--the man tried to change things, but he really wasn't much different than the Catholics in action. He also wrote commentaries on his German translation that curbed followers away from reading the first three gospels(b/c they contradicted his theology).
@Estzenify (cont) going to read church writings, why do you start in the 1400s?... go read the Ante-Nicene fathers, Luther wrote after Augustine's semi-Gnostic writings that brought many false doctrines into the church. So.. if you're going to claim "all apostles and christians"--try reading the full history starting in the 75AD-325AD before you say things like that.
Agreed that all have "fallen short"--but you speak for yourself if you break God's greatest commandment --see 1 John 2:3-6
@droptozro I sure do, I ll read everything I can and I really study hard, but if you tell me that Augustine was gnostic then yes he was, but his later life after his turning to Christ, hes life had nothing to do with it. I understand that people dont like some teachings that are biblical cuz darkness really does not love light and the exposing factor of it. But again why are you starting to talk about this ? Does this affirm that Luthers "BOTW" is unbiblical? Go and read it ! And stop then speak
Augustine's past gnostic doctrines infiltrated his fleshly knowledge and argumentation----Augustine is considered a foremost "theologian"--but never knew Greek/Hebrew, and he brought MANY new false teachings into the church. He was a debater... that's it. It's no different than an atheist turning "Christian"--yet the atheist wishes to mix evolution with Genesis 1...
...As for Luther, I don't need to drink the whole ocean to know it's salty. I've read enough about him.
We are not returned to Adam's state.Adam was not moral. Adam was sinless that is not morality.Most Christians believe what Mark is saying the goal restoration of Adam's image.Adam knew nothing of what I know being redeemed by Christ.We are not being restored we are not regaining ability to not sin we are not regaining wisdom holiness and righteousness Adam never had it Christ is holy Virtue not morality but superior Virtue not found in law or morality.A new creation we become NOT restored.
There is no such thing as inherited sin.What is inherited is death by sin.Adam did not pass spiritual disease he passed physical death.Adam was never in a perfect spiritual state he was not knowing redemption, he did not fall from a redemptive state. Death passed upon all men because all sinned. No consummation is capable of not passing a blood death on.What spiritual state did Adam fall? His relationship was totally physical with God.Man without sin (Adam) was flesh.Flesh cannot enter heaven
religious myths! the hole story of adam and eve is takin literly and it shouldnt be.
words like fruit,sin, serpent, has been misleading and has convinsed mankind that adam and eve passed sin to the worlds population. rubbish pure cahtolic church rubbish. the story just like other storyies in the bible can not and should not be takin literly. sin and the 10 comandments applied to ISRAEL,HEBREW ETHEOPIAN,CUSH, AND NO ONE ELES
@harvcta If the Bible is myth what then is not myth? Which story is true? That Adam and Eve are the ancestors of human race or our ancestors are monkeys, gorillas, dinassours and chimpanzees and the pigs are our nices? If what the Bible talks is rubbish you must have more rubbish to believe than that of course. It just matters what you choose to believe.
What about children who die and have no chance to redeem themselves or even learn what these things are? They are born and die as sinners, any scripture discuss this issue?
@Mekiwyn (Luke 18:15-17) Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
No one goes to Heaven apart from the Grace of God.
Interesting how the book of Genesis attributes "The Lord God" with the ignorance and bigotry in the men of the times in which these stories were written.
It's particularly indicated in the sexism of blaming the woman for the "fall of man" - Lol!
Interesting how the book of Genesis attributes "The Lord God" with the ignorance and bigotry in the men of the times in which these stories were written.
It's particularly indicated in the sexism of blaming the woman for the "fall of man" - Lol!
Just do this: Go to any hospital maternity ward. Choose a baby. Stand over that baby and say to that baby "you were conceived and born in sin, deserving of eternal torture from the moment of conception. You are spiritually stained." If your heart won't let you finish, you're human. If you have no problem saying it, you're 100% Christian.
@DeaconVerter Hey deacon. Majority of Reformed Christians believe in the Doctrine of Infant Salvation. Dr. John MacArthur has written a book on the subject and has several sermons available for free download on his website gty.org if you are interested in this topic. Again most Christians in general believe that if a person dies in infancy or before an accountable age they immediately go to heaven. There are plenty of Biblical evidences for this doctrine. Look into it. Peace
Well, for sure you are an honest Calvinist. The problem is Christ himself said something very different. Sin is an act. It is a choice. If we are forced to be evil then God lied to Cain.
Human nature tends to produce sin, but it is not evil. We must eat and many of us eat to much. Eating is not the problem, nor is the desire to eat. We are the problem and Calvinism puts the blame on God. Many were made sinners and many are made righteous, but in neither case is anyone forced.
Original sin demands that Mary be born via an immaculate conception.
Well, that used to be the case, but now we have found that genetics comes through the male. So back to basics. We are all victims. We are all wicked because of what someone else did. But then Christ reversed that. So now everyone is saved by his sacrifice. Adam made us all wicked, now Christ has made us all saints. (Nonsense!)
Christ said he word was Spirit and truth. Matthew 5, 6 and 7 when obeyed is the same as receiving Christ. It is being born from above. It is a must. That is what he told a 40 year old religious man named Nicodemous.
Repenting is the first step in being filled with the Spirit of Christ.
Adam was more then just a living soul. He walked with God. We are created in the image of God, etc. There has always been a generation of the righteous, a remnant.
@MrPeaceKey Actually Paul tells us that that Adam was just a living soul 1Cor 15:45. Adam is also the man of dust and we are Adam's image (not created in the image of God) but Christ (the second Adam) is the image of God.
God was unhappy with mankind in general. There were a few who were righteous.
His first two and one of their sons missed it.
If he allowed them to make bad choices, then parents have to do the same thing and should be given some slack. Younger children have both parents and older ones around so they should make better choices??
@MrPeaceKey 1Cor 15:45 "The first Adam became a living soul; the last (second) Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first is from Earth, the second is from heaven. We have borne the image of the man of dust but....
We must be the image of (like) Christ to be righteous.
Christ told them all while he was on Mt. Olive that they must have a spiritual change first? He did not lay out rules for them to live by? Why build your house on the sand?
@MrPeaceKey I have no idea how you made that leap with my thoughts I'm only explaining yours.There are no two deaths resulting from consummation.Death passed upon all men because all have sinned unless there is a new way to be born all men die a physical death by sin.We are born again because the first birth is not good enough.Who were born not of blood nor the will of the flesh but of God.Either you don't understand my answers or you need to explain yours.Because all men die and pass death
If Adam's sin caused phyical death then for Christ to be human he too had to be subject to a physical death caused by what Adam did.
The point being - physical death was not what Adam's sin produced. If we die shortly after we are born and go to hell because of inherent sin we are being punished for something we did not do. The 2nd birth does what? It is a cleansing process. Sin is an act, not a nature. Where do you find the new birth in the OT? Nicodemous should have known. St. John 3.
@MrPeaceKey Well there is your mistake. The new birth was not only a cleansing process.If I get all my sin washed I'm still not regenerated.The flesh without sin cannot please God.In my flesh lives no good thing.Nothing of flesh lives forever, nothing.One out of one people die. Because there flesh is corrupted by the inheritance of sinful death in the blood.The flesh is a real problem it keeps man self righteous thinking without sin they could still do some good,impossible
Adam introduced sin, Christ reversed what Adam did.
This is basic Christianity.
If Physical death came about because of Adam, then all who accept Christ should live on this earth forever.
The name for that is the 'Never die doctrine." Numbers of Christiand have believed it was scriptural and they have all died.
In contrast, we drink of the water he offered the lady at the well and are resurrected to walk in newness of life and began to walk with God again. We become slaves of righteousness.
@MrPeaceKey Christ had not the blood of common man.Christ blood was not inherited from Mary or Joseph.All men are consummate and pass sinful blood Dna of death.Death passed upon all men for all have sinned.No man can consummate without sin without passing death.Never die doctrine?Christ did not reverse Adam's sin because Adam without sin did not know God as a redeemed person does.Even without sin Adam is flesh and flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God
@MrPeaceKey Yep He is as you .ascribe. Christ was like every man in every way and was not like every man in every way ,no contradiction.Better than Adam,Adam without sin sounds like your Jesus. But was made of dust Christ was flesh and blood exclusive to God
Most of the Church for centuries believed otherwise, and that is why they taught she too had an imaculate conception.
You post a contradiction and then say it is not a contradiction.
Where did Christ come by his flesh?
Your position puts him well above our experience and that makes it illogical to say he was tempted like we are and this makes it illogical to say he condemned sin in the flesh. He was like us?
@MrPeaceKey Mary had a immaculate conception is Catholic.Christ can be fully man equal to all that man is tempted etc.But no contradiction not like any other man unique distinct to God. Jesus Christ He was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit once you say he was made by Mary's DNA you make him a born sinner.Read the Greek for the Holy Spirit over seized Mary's womb she was giv en the whole birth her eggs were not used to form the Son of God .Jesus was unique to God in flesh and blood for sacrifice
@MrPeaceKey He did all this was like Moses, but thank God not like Moses.Fully man complete,exceptional man complete.Was transfigured into glory burning like the sun but returned to flesh, no man could do this
It would be good for you if you would stick with the context. Cain was born of Adam and Eve and still had a choice. Abel is said to have been righteous. Where is original sin in these accounts?
Check MrPeackey out for a more accurate view of the context.
If Paul's OT quotes in Romans 3:23 are checked out then you will see that back there along with "Man," "The Wicked" and the "Fool" there is the mention of God's People and the Generation of the righteous.
That doing what is called checking the context.
Romans 3 is dealing with those who thought their being of Abraham would qualify them. Paul says there that all people, and he is speaking of races, have sinned.
The context proves he is not speaking of individuals.
@MrPeaceKey Who are 'God's people'? The 7000 Isrealites who didn't bow down to Ba'al in the time of Elijah and the great cloud of witnesses of Hebrews 11. Those who had the 'Spirit' such as Joseph in Gen 41and Daniel 'in whom was the Spirit of God', Moses had the 'Spirit', etc etc.
I do think those that you mention were not in the number that Paul is refering to as being of the wicked. That is why I do not tie every individual to Paul's statement in Romans 3:23. He is clearly speaking to a specific problem. Which is - race does not qualify a person. Being a descendent of Abraham has its benifits, but it does not mean you can make it just because of that.
Could Cain change his ways? Did God present an alternative that was available to him? Could the Israelites repent?
@MrPeaceKey Changing of ways is not really what Jesus taught. Repentance means change your thinking first. In Matt 8:22 "... leave the dead to bury their dead..". So the original problem is spiritual death. There is no regeneration but 2cor 5:17 "..a new creation.."
@MrPeaceKey Adam was the first lawbreaker (law of sin and death Gen 2:17) but it is also strange how all the firstborn sons are bad; Cane, Ishmael, Esau and what about all the firstborn sons of Egypt. This is why we 'pass from death to life' when we believe in God's second (good) son, Jesus.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.
Mat 7:26 -27 Anyone who hears my teachings and doesn't obey them is like a foolish person who built a house on sand. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded, and the winds blew and beat against that house. Finally, it fell with a crash.
@MrPeaceKey Only John and Matthew were disciples of Jesus. The question is this: Does john contradict Matthew or is the focus of Matthew on the Jewish 'sin and death' religion as opposed to John's 'Spirit of life' gospel????
@MrPeaceKey Salvation has always been about faith (spiritual life). Matt 23:23 paraphrases Mica 6:8 The highest law of God is 'Justice mercy (kindness) and FAITH'. Rom 8:2 is the 2 paths we can take. "sin and death" or "life-giving Spirit(Christ)". Tats the same choice as Adam had in the garden in Eden.
@MrPeaceKey Most sin is what we don't do. Mica 6:8 and Matt 23:23 "Justice mercy (kindness) and faith". We are justified by faith or obedience to God.
@MrPeaceKey Excellent questions..Therefore,just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin and thus death passed upon all men because all have sinned.The bible teaches that death because of sin passed upon all men.No man has ever stopped sinning therefore he has not broken death when consummating.Adam by sinning passed in his body through the blood the sinful nature of death.But I did not come out sinning I came out powerless not to sin because the body of sin is death.
It is my opinion that the term "all" is taken to an extreme. All men is speaking of mankind in a general sense. The bible speaks of the wicked as never doing good then in the same text it speaks of the generation of the righteopus. This thought is repeated several times in the bible. Roman 3:23 is a case in point. Paul quotes the OT. In context he speaks of Nations, not individuals.
@MrPeaceKey Also many make the mistake that we inherited Adam's sin this not true.What all men have inherited is death because of sin and cannot consummate without passing death from their body to another.So death passed upon all men because all have sinned.Even born without doing sin my flesh is separated from God and is powerless not to sin eventually.Sin and death are in the flesh of man and makes us corrupt.
@MrPeaceKey Do all men die or just some from some nations? Death passed upon all men not some.And what was the cause?Adam died in his body and Eve as well. So all consummation thereafter would be producing all men dying. Why? Because all men sin and consummate. No man has ever broken this cycle.Until death becomes exceptional sin is passed upon all men
There are two kinds of death. Adam died the day he sinned. He no longer walked with God in the garden. Christians have been ressurrected to walk in newness of life, they have been born again or from above. Nicodemous had your perspective. He thought Jeus meant we had to born with a new physical body.
Your form of reasoning birthed the immaculate conception and makes Jesus out to have set an unrealistic example. He no longer is both human and God?
@MrPeaceKey I never think we have to be born with a new body never.Jesus was like man in every way but not like every man in every way no contradiction.Christ was distinct in flesh and blood for sacrifice.Adam without sin could not be a redeemer his flesh was not born of God like Christ exclusive by the Holy Spirit,Adam was made of dust of the earth.
They did not inherit their badness sir. They made the same free choice Adam and Eve did. The fact the 2nd born were better could have been because of what they had seen happen. I am not into making God the author of sin.
Oringinal sin is not in Genesis and it did not come about later.
Was Christ and is Christ our example? Was he tempted just as we are?
@lizazoon I agree. It is from Romans and not Genesis. What about Paul's doctrine of "sin and death"(Rom 8). You sin and you die (spiritually) the same day (Gen 2:17).
@eddiminus Unless Adam ate in clarity knowing God's will for him to eat,for some future better righteousness that can only come from redemption through Christ.Your right Adam ate in clarity somehow knowing dis obedience was part of God's plan.Good discernment
Death passed upon all men for all have sinned.Sin did not pass but death by sin Adam ate and died that day though many years of life awaited him.Consummation by sinners passes death in the blood upon all men.We are born fleshly not capable to please God and therefore sinners by nature of flesh and blood we cannot not sin because all flesh does not please God.This idea that Adam passed spiritual death is not found in Rom5:12 it is assumed because in my flesh lives no good thing
@polopowers1 I read Genesis the same way. The work of the evil one is DEATH not sin. Maybe the church fathers should have read Paul's doctrine in 1 Cor 15:45. Adam brought DEATH into this world and Christ brings a 'lifegiving Spirit'.
Suen/Akkadian God was Suen/Nanna aka Sin. He was one of the heads in the pantheon of gods. He was a moon god. He was also the god of wisdom. Sound familiar? Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Thus Sin is = knowledge. Therefore every time someone seeks knowledge, whatever it is, you are seeking Sin. Therefore to know is to sin. Quite interesting actually.
Quite correct. Sin = knowledge. It wasn't just called the Tree of Knowledge for nothing, you know. Knowledge = Free will, reason, invention, independent moral standards, the ability to kill and replace God = Sin. I think this stems from the fact that Christianity thrives in an environment of total ignorance, and that the central Christian doctrine can be summarized in three words: Ignorance. Is. Bliss.
Yes, Christianity produced modern science, but it was still allowed because science doesn't delve too much into the realm of ideas, only handling the fields of physical existence. What was taught in the university of those times was to make all doctrines compatible with the concept of God, and discourage people to make their own independent ideas. Ignorance might still be bliss if that's the case though, since having an independent system of knowledge can make you really lonely.
@IDecideMyOwnNames and thats why people were happier back in the day before TV radio and such. never realy heard of depression, suicides, murders and rape like you do now. Not saying it never happened, but the frequency was less.
Its not the inheritance of Adam's spiritual disease but the blood line that is passed on.Think it through Lane.if according to you I'm being restored to Adam's condition before the fall. What was Adam's spiritual condition that caused him to fall?.Its the blood line that carries the sinful nature.
Regeneration, being born again is better than Adam's original state.What Adam had was not the virtue of redemption. Adam's image is not what we are going back to.Lane. Nothing of what Christ did by redemption is restoring of any original relationship of Adam,we have much better in Christ..The nature of sin is in the blood and this is where we inherit it.The word "passed in Rom:5:12 is transverse from one to another Adam ate and his seed was with sin and death,death transversed upon all men.
@ClovisM - Look, you can't read every Bible story literally. The point is that SOMETHING happened to make God's perfectly good creatures the evil monsters we are now. That was Original Sin.
True, the Redemption is rather "half-baked" as you put it. But that's because Jesus, after dying to redeem us, didn't STAY dead. And so, the Redemption was compromised. It's still effective, but only if we choose to be "born again" as He was when he rose from the dead.
the voice reading from the Bible is so annoying!!! and I don't think the interpretation is ok...I imagine that God was very sad when He asked Adam where is he..this man makes God sound so evil...
First, the story of the Fall is nonsense. What was the supposed sin? Eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. But before they ate, they didn't know good and evil. So they didn't know it was evil to disobey God. So it can't have been a sin.
Second, God lied to Adam and Eve. They did not die. Their eyes were opened, as the serpent said.
Third, if we were redeemed by the blood of Jesus, why are we still tainted by this original sin? What kind of half-baked redemption is that?
@ClovisMerovech eating from the three of knowledge meant that we would know ourselves what is good and what is evil,WITHOUT needing God to tell us.when God toled Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge,He knew eating from it was evil,because GOD TOLED HIM.his choice however,was not to listen.second, God didn't lie. before eating from the tree, man would have lived forever in the presence of God;sin brought death
third, from birth we are born in sin,and only by the blood of Jesus we are saved
@ClovisMerovech you know..right now I have a hard time understanding all of this, and I'm looking for answers too. When God said that Adam will die that day, I think He meant that He will die spiritualy; his conection with God could not be the same if he would eat, so..since a relationship with God is the only source of true life, I guess it's obvious. God put the tree of life in the garden so that men would have free will, the right to decide between right and wrong, between obeying God and not
@ClovisMerovech and about redemtion...the sacrafice of Jesus when He died on the cross means noting in your life IF you do not believe in it...we inherit Adam's sin, which entered the world, and we are free from it only if we BELIEVE and ACCEPT Christ as our saviour from sin, which I suppose you didn't do. Get it? And as concerning the tree...God didn't create us to be robots, He gave us free will to choose to live happily with Him; without the tree, we wouldn't have no choices to make, right?
@ClovisMerovech the tree of knowledge itself was not EVIL...but Adam and Eve's choice to not obey God by eating from the tree...that was wrong. And we can see that not obeying God, (the choice they did) only brought suffering to them. hope you understand...Shalom
I didn't mean the tree was evil. I meant, what use was the knowledge of good and evil, in a world that was all good, where there was no evil to know? Isn't that how the world was, before the Fall? God saw that it was good. There was no evil. Although, it is hard, in that case, to explain where that evil serpent came from...
Well, I may never be satisfied with your answers, but I do appreciate your trying to explain. It is very kind of you.
And his physical disease was passed on us as well, hence death passed upon all men for all have sinned.Adam did not just give spiritual death but bodily as well.The sinful nature is passed in the blood.Hence the uniqueness of Christ birth having distinct blood not of the lineage of man.Adam did not fall from morals but from the ideal virtues of God.Morals are for men and society.We are not restored to Adam's original image it was never complete.We are given the image of the heavenly,Jesus Christ
This video takes the "accepted" understanding. Very limited.
To know what the Spirit has revealed in these days = angefall (dot) com
God is beyond your ability to imagine Him. Still you insist on trying to measure and quantify a being with the knowledge and wisdom to design the Universe and the power to make it happen.
God is multi-dimensional and is trying to reveal aspects of His personality in a way you can understand. The natural mind will not get it.
There is no scripture for the trinity in the bible, if you think there is prove it hrough the bible not what your educated men think they know!!!!!!!!!!!
matt 3:16-17 mark 1:10-11 luke 3:22 john 1:32 luke 1:35 heb 9:14 acts7:55 rm 8:11 rm 8:26-27 matt 28:19 2cor 13:14 if you read the bible IN CONTEXT it will show the godhead. of course the word trinity isnt used but if you know what the word trinity means then with these verses proves it, unless you dont acknowledge God, the Holy Spirit, and jesus. i do know your a huge william "false prophet" braham and he teaches this heresey. braham denies God and denies jesus and denies the Holy Spirit.
Remember william branham tought that it has to line up from Genisis to revelations and that doctrine does not. So what you think the scriptures are saying that they are sepreate beings but are one?hmmm I dont think so, they are the same God in diffrent dispensations or in three diffrrent offices and as for that scripture in mat 28:19 what is the name of the father, and of th son, and of the holy ghost what is it. is easy to say the son but which one God gave us the power to become sons of God.
Does not deny& is not a oneness. He says can't be jesus only cause it denies the father and the holy ghost, niether is it trinity because it is NOT three persons, and then he would have two fathers "found with child of the Holy Ghost Mat 1:18 , that which is concevied in her is of the Holy Ghost Mat 1:20 I and my father are one John 10:30, john 17:11 it is three offices of the one God Mark 12:32, Rom. 3:30, 1 cor 8:4,6, 1 tim 2:5, james 2:19, but god uses father, & H.G.
He denies the trinity because it is not Biblical. It is a trinity of offices not persons or characteristics. Where in the world did you get three distinct person or personalities. People have a difficult time serving one God, let alone three! It is a trinity of offices, or He manifested himself in different offices in different times.
Let me ask you a question smarty pants, was the flesh of Jesus God? If the flesh of Jesus was God then how did God die on the cross. I believe He was Fully God and fully man; fully God by the spirit that dwelt in Him, and fully man, which was the Body that cried, hungered, and the one that didn't wan't to go through what awaited him on calvary! God is a spirit, and a son has a beginning (the flesh), and anything that has a beginning has an end. Prove it geneous, dnt just try to sound smrt
Why believe everything in the bible? If whole books have been removed, surely the rest of it has been doctored. It can be quite contradictory in places, much the same as religions and their teachers/representatives. I can't imagine the divine source of everything in existance trying to screw with the minds of humanity (which is one species on one planet out of infinite possibilities), through a book which has passed through many hands and was written by many others.
We would all be better off if we burned our bibles and followed out Hearts. The concept of original sin is a vicious lie, made up to scare people into supporting a malevolent church. Church is where people go to think other people's thoughts. It's a mind-control institution, historically controlled by governments, to keep people in line.
everyone is accounted for their sins and on the day of judgment, and you will not be accounted for the sin of Adam and Eve because that was THEIR sin.
There is NO where in Gen..that Adam sin was passed to us..God made the first sacrifice..to cover the sin..They were separated till the sacrifice..Which God only gave Physical death curse to each of us....Not spiritual death!!!
The whole idea of "Original Sin" is idiotic. I am guilty, from birth, because a couple of naked people in a garden (being coerced by a talking snake) ate an apple? I had nothing to do with their calamity and I will take no blame. Thank you very much.
Furthermore, I never asked J.C. to die for my sins. I would never ask anyone to do anything like that for me. It was a nice gesture. Not necessary, tho.
He didn't even have the decency to stay dead for our sins. He came back 3 days later!
Do you realise we are not even worthy of HIS presence and you are saying HE shouldn't have risen? HE is GOD and HE deserves all glory, not to remain in the grave.
ghghes: How do you know it's a "HE"? Does a G-d have a gender? If we are not worthy of "HIS" presence, we should refuse "HIM" when he returns. Since, we are not worthy.
Jesus didn't need to die for my supposed sins. I'd prefer to die for my own.
Read Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, and the numerous other prophesies about the coming Messiah - and then see how they were perfectly fulfilled in the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If you don't want Him to cover your sins, then you WILL die in your sins, and the Bible calls that the second death. God will not force you to be reconciled to Him, but why refuse such an amazing free gift - eternal life?
theheins: Eternal life sounds nice and all. But, there's a catch to this. In order to live forever you have to worship and serve the Lord...FOREVER! If I'm to live forever, I sure as hell don't want to be serving and worshiping for eternity. I've done enough serving on this planet. Just let me die.
But thats just it, your only other alternative when you die is burning alive in a pit within a lake of fire, in complete darkness with the stench of death, rotting and burning flesh, screaming and nashing of teeth, incredible thirst, are just some of what you will be going through for eternity! (Billions and trillions of yrs will be 1 day in eternity) And why wouldn't you choose to worship Jesus, it brings you blessings. He doesn't need our worship, it improves our lives and fills us with joy!
cathy: "burning alive in a pit within a lake of fire, in complete darkness with the stench of death, rotting and burning flesh, screaming and nashing of teeth, incredible thirst, are just some of what you will be going through for eternity!"
A free gift my &ss. If it is free, then why do you have to continue to serve him for eternity? I'm mean, if you stop serving him, you have to start over with the whole process of being saved again, right? It doesn't seem to be very free to me. If you pay your child's college tuition on the condition that she serve you for life, it wasn't really 'free' was it? Just what is it that you really mean by free? Free (with strings)? Free (with servitude)? That's not free. That's slavery.
Why is the guy reading in a fake British accent?
dannytibi 1 month ago
how is sin transmitted from one person to another if it is transgression of God's Law? Is sin a substance that can be examined? The Jews didn't believe in this false doctrine and "barmitzvah" refutes original sin because it means when one is accountable to God's commandments. The bible makes it clear that we are sinful from youth, not birth. All it is is an excuse to keep you in sin. We die physically from Adam & Eve's sin but die spiritually from our own sins.
34craigjan 2 months ago
To overcome sin in the next life.? This is unbelieveable, why very few should teach. There will be no Nature to sin eternally.We will be one with our Creator in Nature. Sin will have no existence or power or nature.Sin and temptation in the next life.? Who will tempt What nature will oppose the Virtue of God We will need to be born again to overcome sin in the next life? The very first time I've heard this, incredible theology. But if you think heaven is old Adam life image I can understand
polopowers1 3 months ago
Adam never had fullness exactness in Image of God. Perfect, wise, righteous,image of Almighty God Adam himself, was before the fall.? Adam never carried these qualities in Image. Adam was flesh He could never carry perfect righteousness of likeness or wisdom perfect. Restored image.?We are NEVER to be restored to Adam before the fall, never.! Back into the Image of God lost.? Christ is the only exactness of Image and Christ was the only One revealing it.God's Image was Christ not Adam
polopowers1 3 months ago
Adam never had spiritual disease. Everything Adam had was physical. He knew Christ physically.There was no spiritual life as of yet.He knew Satan physically.Adam passed on not sin, but death from sin. All who consummate pass death from sin.Adam was flesh not a goal for believers to attain.Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God.Adam had nothing compared to what we have now in Spirit.How can I inherit Adam's spiritually dead corrupt image.? Adam was flesh with no spiritual image.
polopowers1 3 months ago
you see the lies in your bible writen by jews whom corrupt the bible they make god like a man walking the second lie the serpent there is no serpent at all satan who whisper to adam and eve the other lie the tree is a pradise tree and not an apple tree the other lie god to tell the serpent you will crawl and eat sand all your live did you a serpent eat sand if you want i give you more lies in the bible falsified by the jews contact me oudihmidah@yahoo.fr
4219551 8 months ago
i would punch the narrator in the face only because his dialouge sounds silly. but the stuff hes saying good. you will surely diiiiiieeee die. simply die dangit. ENGLISH!
deltaalphacharlie 9 months ago
Wow, this is a stretch. Fragments of the image of God? My word
stitty 9 months ago
Snakes can't talk. They don't have vocal chords, lips, or teeth... all of which are necessary for speaking. Not to mention snakes do not have a developed cerebral cortex which is where language occurs. This is obvious mythology. Please be real.
vozuluzov 10 months ago
"Scripture teaches that Jesus was a man. The doctrine of original sin teaches that man is corrupted because of Adam's transgression. If that doctrine is true, either Jesus was born a sinner or He was not a man.. He did come in the flesh and He was without sin".
kub73158 11 months ago
@kub73158 good argument, but Jesus wasn't born of the seed of MAN!
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify
Thanks( I was hoping for a response).
So how do we reconcile that He was both fully man and fully God?
kub73158 9 months ago
@kub73158 by Js 9:5: For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon [4] his shoulder,
and his name shall be called [5]
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
and
Matthew 1:23 - there Matthew qoutes Isaiah 7:14 in the very beginning of his gospel account which proves that the prohpecy has become true.
“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify
That didn't completely answer my question, i.e. Christ's father (seed) is of God, but the human side (Mary) has sin or not?
kub73158 9 months ago
@kub73158 Well, first of all we dont know that was that womans seed used or not, cause we cant look into the womb like this, second of all, if God wants to reveal himself as man, then its like a man whos writing a book and creates a character inside the book that hes going to use as himself to reveal himself to the other characters cause book is a closed system and that is why I think the argument that no1 can see God, at this state right now because you would die if you'd get out of the system.
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify and because of this very thing Jesus sayd: He whos has seen me has seen The Father.
And sin is not some material, its a state which we all are born, and we cant and arent able to fight that, but God can, Sin makes our minds corrupt. The biblical fact is that Jesus was sinless and if we would conclude him sinful, then he couldnt have payed the price at calvary cause sacrifice had to be pure-clean with no mistake. In here we can understand much things but not all things. 1 corinth 13:12
Estzenify 9 months ago
3rd of all Id conclude, that its not impossible to create something out of nothing, so the 3rd option would be that marys seed was created inside of her womb, which really was her seed cause it was put to there, but theoretically it was the type of seed which would have been used in a real sexual act. But this all is just theoretical and stupid. Jesus was and is the real prohpecy cause He really did fulfill everything what was prophecied ! So that many people could be free,Isaiah53:11
Estzenify 9 months ago
All my sin is under the Cross paid for past, present,future. So what sin are you refering too? God told Cain to Master the sin offering" its desire is for you but you must master it Cain must administer the proper sacrifice Ask your Pastor if you have one or look at the Hebrew it is not sin mastered but sin offering. To get saved Christ must be exclusive sacrifice for my sin not religion but the Person.Only He can satisfy God on my behalf
polopowers1 11 months ago
I don't understand this syntax data.
SuperBrobot 1 year ago
---If Original sin is Biblical
---Adam corrupted his nature and all his offspring with a "sin nature"
---Abraham was from the seed of Adam
---David was from the seed of Abraham
---Christ was from the seed of David born out of Mary's womb
---In order to be fully human and fully God, Christ had to have a flesh of man from Mary(or he wasn't human) and a divine nature(of God)
---Original sin states Christ as having a sinful nature?
....what say you? Christ was a sinner? ...blasphemy!
droptozro 1 year ago
@droptozro There is no question that Jesus, through the incarnation, became the "likeness of sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3), and that He was "tempted in all points like us, but without sin" (Heb.4:15). But the question remains, 'did Christ have the stain of Original sin?'. The answer is NO! "...that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" (Mt.1:20). Jesus was not conceived by the seed of a man, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. Therefore, no stain of Original sin.
Hope that helps ;)
rkg62976 1 year ago
@rkg62976
"conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"--agreed
"Jesus was not conceived by the seed of man"--ouch, lots of verses to correct that claiming He was of the seed of David, of Abraham, and every single time a Jew reads "Son of Man" it means "son of Adam", meaning He came from the seed of David--through Mary... through Mary, Jesus was given His humanity, and through the Holy Spirit His being God. Sorry, unless you're a catholic who believes Mary was sinless--you're incorrect I'm afraid.
droptozro 1 year ago
@droptozro Being of the seed is only used for lineage. Mary was not sinlesss nothing of her made up the body of Jesus . Jesus was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit. His flesh and blood was unique to God for sacrifice.The sinful nature is in the blood passed in death. Man without sin (though not possible) is still helplesss. Because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God.Mary was flesh and blood corrupt. Her lineage was important for a direct line to David but not in blood sinful.
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1
"nothing of her made up the body of Jesus"--sorry, the Bible and the entire Early church would call you a heretic for saying that(so would I). That's outright Gnosticism to say she was only a "vessel" and His humanity did not come from being born of her womb.
As for all the sinful nature comments, that's just man's rhetoric to try to bypass their bad theology to begin with--it's not found in the Bible. Sinful nature isn't even in the Greek, it's "sarx"--flesh and flesh alone.
droptozro 1 year ago
@droptozro the Bible is predicated on the fact that Jesus was born free of flesh blood corrupt. Mary's womb was overtaken in the Greek. The Spirit formed , made, designed exclusive blood of Christ. Or He would be unworthy for atonement. Spotless without defect unlike blood of man. Jesus Christ was man like any other man but not like any other man, no contradiction.Blood is in the Bible as a nature of death in the flesh coming from a man of sinful nature to consummate.The nature of reproduction
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1
Can you prove a word of what you just said with the Bible? Because there is plenty to show contrary that I can think of right now, I'd just have to go search out the verses I have in mind.
The "sinful nature" doesn't exist. Again, if the NIV was consistent, it would say Jesus came in the sinful nature also... it's a lie.
Also, take some time to look up the Ante-Nicean church views on the virgin birth and gnosticism on the virgin birth. Make sure you align with the right one.
droptozro 1 year ago
@droptozro Yea I can prove after Adam ate he consummated with Eve ( Cain and Abel ) and passed death through the blood. All men die ultimately because of bad blood. The life is in the blood. Death passed upon all men because all sinned. There is no possible way to consummate without passing on the death which came from man's sin nature physically.Adam passed death by sin because all flesh without sin if possible still cannot attain heaven, because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God
polopowers1 1 year ago
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@polopowers1
You make an interesting argument for how death passes through men that I've never thought of before(but it's not Biblical). It makes sense though.
"Romans 5:12 twelve never says I inherited Adam's sin but his death by nature."
Most Calvinists I've spoken with would disagree with this statement above. Also, it says sin entered the world, not man.
Our flesh is weak, and corrupted by death, but nowhere in Scripture does it say it "must sin."--that's where we differ.
droptozro 11 months ago
@droptozro Romans 5:12 twelve never says I inherrited Adam's sin but his death by nature. Adam passed the physicality of death blood and flesh which all men sin by.Except Jesus Christ the perfect ,man borne not of the nature of consummation of man's sinful physical nature(flesh which is powerless and must sin). Christ is perfect Atonement by unique flesh and blood.
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1
If we "must sin"-then there is no need for Christ. If I must by necessity sin, I cannot be righteously condemned for hell for it-so Christ didn't need to die. The whole point of the "wages of sin is death" allures to choice. I have no disagreement the the flesh is weak, and there is temptation everywhere--but it's not "must." Everyone WILL sin though, because God sees the future, and no man will live without sin but Christ.
Even Cain was told to "master sin"--because he could.
droptozro 11 months ago
@droptozro Flesh cannot not,not sin it is powerless. But even so flesh cannot enter the kingdom of God, its nature is not conformed to Christ Image. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. Adam before the fall never had a glorified body Sin or don t sin you need a Savior to conform you to the Image of God in Spirit.
polopowers1 11 months ago
@polopowers1
"Flesh cannot not, not sin it is powerless"
So if that's true, then you believe God was just lying to people when He told Cain to "master sin."
Or when Jesus said to people "go and sin no more"
Are you saying God tells and commands people to do things they cannot do, and then punishes them for it?
Is that the righteous god you serve?
droptozro 11 months ago
@droptozro well that was the God that Martin Luther served, you should read M.Luther "Bondage of the will"
Are you saying God tells and commands people to do things they cannot do, and then punishes them for it?
Is that the righteous god you serve?"
For this I'd answer read Romans 3:20 and nail it to the top of it.
And Yes thats the God, I serve cause from the law comes knowledge of sin and if we would able to stand with the law and able to keep it then there wouldnt be Christ needed.
Estzenify 9 months ago
@droptozro You should read Martin Luther's "Bondage of the will" - Yes, that is the God he served and all the apostles and christians have forever served. Nail Romans 3:20 to the top of it all. And from the law comes the knowledge of sin, and if we would be able to stand against the law then there wouldnt be Christ needed at all. Law condems and it shows who we really are, foremost people dont wanna know who they really are ... Law shows it. It says to love your God with all your heart, no1 does
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify
Romans 3:20 doesn't say God commands people to do things they cannot do---the law is good, and shows a person their condemned state for sinning against God.
No, I'd rather not touch anything ML had to say--the man tried to change things, but he really wasn't much different than the Catholics in action. He also wrote commentaries on his German translation that curbed followers away from reading the first three gospels(b/c they contradicted his theology).
Also, if you're (cont)
droptozro 9 months ago
@Estzenify (cont) going to read church writings, why do you start in the 1400s?... go read the Ante-Nicene fathers, Luther wrote after Augustine's semi-Gnostic writings that brought many false doctrines into the church. So.. if you're going to claim "all apostles and christians"--try reading the full history starting in the 75AD-325AD before you say things like that.
Agreed that all have "fallen short"--but you speak for yourself if you break God's greatest commandment --see 1 John 2:3-6
droptozro 9 months ago
@droptozro I sure do, I ll read everything I can and I really study hard, but if you tell me that Augustine was gnostic then yes he was, but his later life after his turning to Christ, hes life had nothing to do with it. I understand that people dont like some teachings that are biblical cuz darkness really does not love light and the exposing factor of it. But again why are you starting to talk about this ? Does this affirm that Luthers "BOTW" is unbiblical? Go and read it ! And stop then speak
Estzenify 9 months ago
@Estzenify
Augustine's past gnostic doctrines infiltrated his fleshly knowledge and argumentation----Augustine is considered a foremost "theologian"--but never knew Greek/Hebrew, and he brought MANY new false teachings into the church. He was a debater... that's it. It's no different than an atheist turning "Christian"--yet the atheist wishes to mix evolution with Genesis 1...
...As for Luther, I don't need to drink the whole ocean to know it's salty. I've read enough about him.
droptozro 9 months ago
We are not returned to Adam's state.Adam was not moral. Adam was sinless that is not morality.Most Christians believe what Mark is saying the goal restoration of Adam's image.Adam knew nothing of what I know being redeemed by Christ.We are not being restored we are not regaining ability to not sin we are not regaining wisdom holiness and righteousness Adam never had it Christ is holy Virtue not morality but superior Virtue not found in law or morality.A new creation we become NOT restored.
polopowers1 1 year ago
There is no such thing as inherited sin.What is inherited is death by sin.Adam did not pass spiritual disease he passed physical death.Adam was never in a perfect spiritual state he was not knowing redemption, he did not fall from a redemptive state. Death passed upon all men because all sinned. No consummation is capable of not passing a blood death on.What spiritual state did Adam fall? His relationship was totally physical with God.Man without sin (Adam) was flesh.Flesh cannot enter heaven
polopowers1 1 year ago
Adam and Eve should be in HELL not us because it's not are fault! Damn them to hell!!
Tomekwinxs 1 year ago
religious myths! the hole story of adam and eve is takin literly and it shouldnt be.
words like fruit,sin, serpent, has been misleading and has convinsed mankind that adam and eve passed sin to the worlds population. rubbish pure cahtolic church rubbish. the story just like other storyies in the bible can not and should not be takin literly. sin and the 10 comandments applied to ISRAEL,HEBREW ETHEOPIAN,CUSH, AND NO ONE ELES
harvcta 1 year ago
@harvcta If the Bible is myth what then is not myth? Which story is true? That Adam and Eve are the ancestors of human race or our ancestors are monkeys, gorillas, dinassours and chimpanzees and the pigs are our nices? If what the Bible talks is rubbish you must have more rubbish to believe than that of course. It just matters what you choose to believe.
apostleck 1 year ago
Anyone else notice the python next to him?
granjitsingh 1 year ago
What about children who die and have no chance to redeem themselves or even learn what these things are? They are born and die as sinners, any scripture discuss this issue?
Mekiwyn 1 year ago
@Mekiwyn (Luke 18:15-17) Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
No one goes to Heaven apart from the Grace of God.
USNavyman09 1 year ago
@USNavyman09 I don't understand this, sorry.
Mekiwyn 1 year ago
I love the narrators voice. KindA corny but awesome :P.
TheCarydal 1 year ago
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Interesting how the book of Genesis attributes "The Lord God" with the ignorance and bigotry in the men of the times in which these stories were written.
It's particularly indicated in the sexism of blaming the woman for the "fall of man" - Lol!
Tobytrim 1 year ago
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Interesting how the book of Genesis attributes "The Lord God" with the ignorance and bigotry in the men of the times in which these stories were written.
It's particularly indicated in the sexism of blaming the woman for the "fall of man" - Lol!
Tobytrim 1 year ago
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Tobytrim 1 year ago
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I SHIT ON ALLAH, JESUS, BUDAH, THOR, WOTAN, BAAL, Zarathustra, APOLLO, RA, AND ALL METAPHYSICS EVERYWHERE.....
I AM THE SPAGHETTI MONSTER , THE SPIRIT OF THE MEAT BALL, AND THE HOLY PARMESAN CHEEZ!!!!!!
zencat999 1 year ago
Just do this: Go to any hospital maternity ward. Choose a baby. Stand over that baby and say to that baby "you were conceived and born in sin, deserving of eternal torture from the moment of conception. You are spiritually stained." If your heart won't let you finish, you're human. If you have no problem saying it, you're 100% Christian.
DeaconVerter 1 year ago
@DeaconVerter Hey deacon. Majority of Reformed Christians believe in the Doctrine of Infant Salvation. Dr. John MacArthur has written a book on the subject and has several sermons available for free download on his website gty.org if you are interested in this topic. Again most Christians in general believe that if a person dies in infancy or before an accountable age they immediately go to heaven. There are plenty of Biblical evidences for this doctrine. Look into it. Peace
sonofmyrighthandbjh 1 year ago
Well, for sure you are an honest Calvinist. The problem is Christ himself said something very different. Sin is an act. It is a choice. If we are forced to be evil then God lied to Cain.
Human nature tends to produce sin, but it is not evil. We must eat and many of us eat to much. Eating is not the problem, nor is the desire to eat. We are the problem and Calvinism puts the blame on God. Many were made sinners and many are made righteous, but in neither case is anyone forced.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Original sin demands that Mary be born via an immaculate conception.
Well, that used to be the case, but now we have found that genetics comes through the male. So back to basics. We are all victims. We are all wicked because of what someone else did. But then Christ reversed that. So now everyone is saved by his sacrifice. Adam made us all wicked, now Christ has made us all saints. (Nonsense!)
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Gen 1:26 And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
5:1b ..In the day that God created man. He made him in the likeness of God.
1Co 11:7 b .. being the image and glory of God. ..;
Jas 3:9 For truly a man … having come into being according to the image of God.
God is not evil!
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Christ said he word was Spirit and truth. Matthew 5, 6 and 7 when obeyed is the same as receiving Christ. It is being born from above. It is a must. That is what he told a 40 year old religious man named Nicodemous.
Repenting is the first step in being filled with the Spirit of Christ.
Adam was more then just a living soul. He walked with God. We are created in the image of God, etc. There has always been a generation of the righteous, a remnant.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Actually Paul tells us that that Adam was just a living soul 1Cor 15:45. Adam is also the man of dust and we are Adam's image (not created in the image of God) but Christ (the second Adam) is the image of God.
yarrw 1 year ago
God was unhappy with mankind in general. There were a few who were righteous.
His first two and one of their sons missed it.
If he allowed them to make bad choices, then parents have to do the same thing and should be given some slack. Younger children have both parents and older ones around so they should make better choices??
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey 1Cor 15:45 "The first Adam became a living soul; the last (second) Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first is from Earth, the second is from heaven. We have borne the image of the man of dust but....
We must be the image of (like) Christ to be righteous.
yarrw 1 year ago
Christ told them all while he was on Mt. Olive that they must have a spiritual change first? He did not lay out rules for them to live by? Why build your house on the sand?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey I have no idea how you made that leap with my thoughts I'm only explaining yours.There are no two deaths resulting from consummation.Death passed upon all men because all have sinned unless there is a new way to be born all men die a physical death by sin.We are born again because the first birth is not good enough.Who were born not of blood nor the will of the flesh but of God.Either you don't understand my answers or you need to explain yours.Because all men die and pass death
polopowers1 1 year ago
If Adam's sin caused phyical death then for Christ to be human he too had to be subject to a physical death caused by what Adam did.
The point being - physical death was not what Adam's sin produced. If we die shortly after we are born and go to hell because of inherent sin we are being punished for something we did not do. The 2nd birth does what? It is a cleansing process. Sin is an act, not a nature. Where do you find the new birth in the OT? Nicodemous should have known. St. John 3.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Well there is your mistake. The new birth was not only a cleansing process.If I get all my sin washed I'm still not regenerated.The flesh without sin cannot please God.In my flesh lives no good thing.Nothing of flesh lives forever, nothing.One out of one people die. Because there flesh is corrupted by the inheritance of sinful death in the blood.The flesh is a real problem it keeps man self righteous thinking without sin they could still do some good,impossible
polopowers1 1 year ago
Adam introduced sin, Christ reversed what Adam did.
This is basic Christianity.
If Physical death came about because of Adam, then all who accept Christ should live on this earth forever.
The name for that is the 'Never die doctrine." Numbers of Christiand have believed it was scriptural and they have all died.
In contrast, we drink of the water he offered the lady at the well and are resurrected to walk in newness of life and began to walk with God again. We become slaves of righteousness.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Christ had not the blood of common man.Christ blood was not inherited from Mary or Joseph.All men are consummate and pass sinful blood Dna of death.Death passed upon all men for all have sinned.No man can consummate without sin without passing death.Never die doctrine?Christ did not reverse Adam's sin because Adam without sin did not know God as a redeemed person does.Even without sin Adam is flesh and flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God
polopowers1 1 year ago
Christ was not tempted in all points like we are?
He was not our example?
He did not come in flesh?
We are not to walk as he walked?
He did not thirst or get hungry?
He said to do as he did, but we cannot?
He was not a man like Moses?
Each of these qustions are scripturaly answered in the affirmative.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Yep He is as you .ascribe. Christ was like every man in every way and was not like every man in every way ,no contradiction.Better than Adam,Adam without sin sounds like your Jesus. But was made of dust Christ was flesh and blood exclusive to God
polopowers1 1 year ago
"Christ was flesh and blood exclusive to God "
Mary had nothing to do with it?
Most of the Church for centuries believed otherwise, and that is why they taught she too had an imaculate conception.
You post a contradiction and then say it is not a contradiction.
Where did Christ come by his flesh?
Your position puts him well above our experience and that makes it illogical to say he was tempted like we are and this makes it illogical to say he condemned sin in the flesh. He was like us?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Mary had a immaculate conception is Catholic.Christ can be fully man equal to all that man is tempted etc.But no contradiction not like any other man unique distinct to God. Jesus Christ He was made exclusive by the Holy Spirit once you say he was made by Mary's DNA you make him a born sinner.Read the Greek for the Holy Spirit over seized Mary's womb she was giv en the whole birth her eggs were not used to form the Son of God .Jesus was unique to God in flesh and blood for sacrifice
polopowers1 1 year ago
Your position does not compute.
If what you say was true then it would have been impossible for him to have been tempted in all points like we are.
The writers of the gospels knew him after the flesh.
He hungered, thirsted, etc. All without sin as a human.
He did not set us a standard we cannot follow.
We are to walk as he walked.
It seems you have not watched my video for in it I deal with these points.
He was not a hypocrite.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey He did all this was like Moses, but thank God not like Moses.Fully man complete,exceptional man complete.Was transfigured into glory burning like the sun but returned to flesh, no man could do this
polopowers1 1 year ago
We are not told by Him to walk on water, or that we must heal the sick to be saved, or that we have to raise the dead.
However, relative to his humanity, we are to walk as He walked and He said to go and sin no more.
He told us to build our house on his teachings. Those were moral teachings, and if we do not do so He said our house would not stand.
In Matt. 5, 6 and 7 he set a higher standard of morality then what Moses had done.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
It would be good for you if you would stick with the context. Cain was born of Adam and Eve and still had a choice. Abel is said to have been righteous. Where is original sin in these accounts?
Check MrPeackey out for a more accurate view of the context.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Strange as it may seem, 'Original sin' doctrine is from Romans and not Gen 2 & 3.
Maybe the disease of sin is this Matt 8:22 "leave the DEAD to bury their dead....."
yarrw 1 year ago
If Paul's OT quotes in Romans 3:23 are checked out then you will see that back there along with "Man," "The Wicked" and the "Fool" there is the mention of God's People and the Generation of the righteous.
That doing what is called checking the context.
Romans 3 is dealing with those who thought their being of Abraham would qualify them. Paul says there that all people, and he is speaking of races, have sinned.
The context proves he is not speaking of individuals.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Who are 'God's people'? The 7000 Isrealites who didn't bow down to Ba'al in the time of Elijah and the great cloud of witnesses of Hebrews 11. Those who had the 'Spirit' such as Joseph in Gen 41and Daniel 'in whom was the Spirit of God', Moses had the 'Spirit', etc etc.
yarrw 1 year ago
I do think those that you mention were not in the number that Paul is refering to as being of the wicked. That is why I do not tie every individual to Paul's statement in Romans 3:23. He is clearly speaking to a specific problem. Which is - race does not qualify a person. Being a descendent of Abraham has its benifits, but it does not mean you can make it just because of that.
Could Cain change his ways? Did God present an alternative that was available to him? Could the Israelites repent?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Changing of ways is not really what Jesus taught. Repentance means change your thinking first. In Matt 8:22 "... leave the dead to bury their dead..". So the original problem is spiritual death. There is no regeneration but 2cor 5:17 "..a new creation.."
yarrw 1 year ago
Yes, One first has to change their mind, their volition, this is a spiritual change. However this change necessitates an immediate physical response.
Acts 2 they ask "what must we do?" That proves their minds had been changed, but they immediatley knew they need to do something.
As for the dead burying the dead - To the Jew a law breaker was a dead person.
Born in innocence just as Abel was.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Adam was the first lawbreaker (law of sin and death Gen 2:17) but it is also strange how all the firstborn sons are bad; Cane, Ishmael, Esau and what about all the firstborn sons of Egypt. This is why we 'pass from death to life' when we believe in God's second (good) son, Jesus.
yarrw 1 year ago
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.
Mat 7:26 -27 Anyone who hears my teachings and doesn't obey them is like a foolish person who built a house on sand. The rain poured down, the rivers flooded, and the winds blew and beat against that house. Finally, it fell with a crash.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is useless (jn 6:63)
yarrw 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Only John and Matthew were disciples of Jesus. The question is this: Does john contradict Matthew or is the focus of Matthew on the Jewish 'sin and death' religion as opposed to John's 'Spirit of life' gospel????
yarrw 1 year ago
I do not understand your question?
The words that Christ spoke were inseperable from giving spiritual life.
Was Christ's teachings on the MT conducive to salvation?
The problem was not the law but the approach the Jews made to it.
Christ's teachings set a high moral standard then did the law of Moses.
Faith is the key. The Gentiles found that salvation comes through faith, not works.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Salvation has always been about faith (spiritual life). Matt 23:23 paraphrases Mica 6:8 The highest law of God is 'Justice mercy (kindness) and FAITH'. Rom 8:2 is the 2 paths we can take. "sin and death" or "life-giving Spirit(Christ)". Tats the same choice as Adam had in the garden in Eden.
yarrw 1 year ago
Did God give Cain a word that would give him life or was it a word that would kill him?
Were Abel and Seth walking in the Spirit or were they both dead because of Adam's sin?
Was their obedience tied to their faith?
What happened to their sinful nature?
Is there such a thing?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Most sin is what we don't do. Mica 6:8 and Matt 23:23 "Justice mercy (kindness) and faith". We are justified by faith or obedience to God.
yarrw 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Excellent questions..Therefore,just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin and thus death passed upon all men because all have sinned.The bible teaches that death because of sin passed upon all men.No man has ever stopped sinning therefore he has not broken death when consummating.Adam by sinning passed in his body through the blood the sinful nature of death.But I did not come out sinning I came out powerless not to sin because the body of sin is death.
polopowers1 1 year ago
It is my opinion that the term "all" is taken to an extreme. All men is speaking of mankind in a general sense. The bible speaks of the wicked as never doing good then in the same text it speaks of the generation of the righteopus. This thought is repeated several times in the bible. Roman 3:23 is a case in point. Paul quotes the OT. In context he speaks of Nations, not individuals.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Also many make the mistake that we inherited Adam's sin this not true.What all men have inherited is death because of sin and cannot consummate without passing death from their body to another.So death passed upon all men because all have sinned.Even born without doing sin my flesh is separated from God and is powerless not to sin eventually.Sin and death are in the flesh of man and makes us corrupt.
polopowers1 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Do all men die or just some from some nations? Death passed upon all men not some.And what was the cause?Adam died in his body and Eve as well. So all consummation thereafter would be producing all men dying. Why? Because all men sin and consummate. No man has ever broken this cycle.Until death becomes exceptional sin is passed upon all men
polopowers1 1 year ago
There are two kinds of death. Adam died the day he sinned. He no longer walked with God in the garden. Christians have been ressurrected to walk in newness of life, they have been born again or from above. Nicodemous had your perspective. He thought Jeus meant we had to born with a new physical body.
Your form of reasoning birthed the immaculate conception and makes Jesus out to have set an unrealistic example. He no longer is both human and God?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey I never think we have to be born with a new body never.Jesus was like man in every way but not like every man in every way no contradiction.Christ was distinct in flesh and blood for sacrifice.Adam without sin could not be a redeemer his flesh was not born of God like Christ exclusive by the Holy Spirit,Adam was made of dust of the earth.
polopowers1 1 year ago
I just posted a videolast night and it seems every point has been denied here, but I do not comprehend the logic that is used?
Christ was our example, he was tempted just as we are, he came in flesh and condemned sin in the flesh, etc.
I see nothing here that proves these statements to be untrue relative to scripture.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Cain and Able were both born from Adam and Eve.
They made different choices.
God told Cain how to remedy his situation.
Pelagian and Finney both believed what God told Cain.
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
@MrPeaceKey Cain was the firstborn son. Why is it all the firstborn sons in Genesis are the bad characters?
yarrw 1 year ago
They did not inherit their badness sir. They made the same free choice Adam and Eve did. The fact the 2nd born were better could have been because of what they had seen happen. I am not into making God the author of sin.
Oringinal sin is not in Genesis and it did not come about later.
Was Christ and is Christ our example? Was he tempted just as we are?
Did he He live without sin?
MrPeaceKey 1 year ago
Original sin: the most childish concept in christianity
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon I agree. It is from Romans and not Genesis. What about Paul's doctrine of "sin and death"(Rom 8). You sin and you die (spiritually) the same day (Gen 2:17).
yarrw 1 year ago
So Adam originally had the perfect wisdom of the Almighty God and still managed to make such a fatal mistake as to eat from the forbidden fruits?
The story doesn't check out for me.
eddiminus 1 year ago
@eddiminus Unless Adam ate in clarity knowing God's will for him to eat,for some future better righteousness that can only come from redemption through Christ.Your right Adam ate in clarity somehow knowing dis obedience was part of God's plan.Good discernment
polopowers1 1 year ago
Death passed upon all men for all have sinned.Sin did not pass but death by sin Adam ate and died that day though many years of life awaited him.Consummation by sinners passes death in the blood upon all men.We are born fleshly not capable to please God and therefore sinners by nature of flesh and blood we cannot not sin because all flesh does not please God.This idea that Adam passed spiritual death is not found in Rom5:12 it is assumed because in my flesh lives no good thing
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 I read Genesis the same way. The work of the evil one is DEATH not sin. Maybe the church fathers should have read Paul's doctrine in 1 Cor 15:45. Adam brought DEATH into this world and Christ brings a 'lifegiving Spirit'.
yarrw 1 year ago
Suen/Akkadian God was Suen/Nanna aka Sin. He was one of the heads in the pantheon of gods. He was a moon god. He was also the god of wisdom. Sound familiar? Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Thus Sin is = knowledge. Therefore every time someone seeks knowledge, whatever it is, you are seeking Sin. Therefore to know is to sin. Quite interesting actually.
hylo1111 1 year ago
@hylo1111
Quite correct. Sin = knowledge. It wasn't just called the Tree of Knowledge for nothing, you know. Knowledge = Free will, reason, invention, independent moral standards, the ability to kill and replace God = Sin. I think this stems from the fact that Christianity thrives in an environment of total ignorance, and that the central Christian doctrine can be summarized in three words: Ignorance. Is. Bliss.
IDecideMyOwnNames 1 year ago
@IDecideMyOwnNames Christianity produced the university, universal literacy and modern science.
ytuseruber 1 year ago
@ytuseruber
Yes, Christianity produced modern science, but it was still allowed because science doesn't delve too much into the realm of ideas, only handling the fields of physical existence. What was taught in the university of those times was to make all doctrines compatible with the concept of God, and discourage people to make their own independent ideas. Ignorance might still be bliss if that's the case though, since having an independent system of knowledge can make you really lonely.
IDecideMyOwnNames 1 year ago
@IDecideMyOwnNames and thats why people were happier back in the day before TV radio and such. never realy heard of depression, suicides, murders and rape like you do now. Not saying it never happened, but the frequency was less.
hylo1111 1 year ago
Death is a direct result of sin. Before there was sin in the Garden of Eden there was no death and no curse.
Being that babies die, even while in the womb, we can only conclude that they have, in fact, inherited the sin nature through Adam.
themalina92 1 year ago
We are all responsible for our sins. Adams transgression is not mine. , , the original sin is false
Sigmanuwife 1 year ago
Its not the inheritance of Adam's spiritual disease but the blood line that is passed on.Think it through Lane.if according to you I'm being restored to Adam's condition before the fall. What was Adam's spiritual condition that caused him to fall?.Its the blood line that carries the sinful nature.
polopowers1 2 years ago
Regeneration, being born again is better than Adam's original state.What Adam had was not the virtue of redemption. Adam's image is not what we are going back to.Lane. Nothing of what Christ did by redemption is restoring of any original relationship of Adam,we have much better in Christ..The nature of sin is in the blood and this is where we inherit it.The word "passed in Rom:5:12 is transverse from one to another Adam ate and his seed was with sin and death,death transversed upon all men.
polopowers1 2 years ago
Original sin is of the Devil! How about the little infants/babies who have died? Will they go to hell? HELL NOOO!!!!!!!!
We choose to sin. At a certain age, a person can discern. Free will choice.
sthcrox 2 years ago
@ClovisM - Look, you can't read every Bible story literally. The point is that SOMETHING happened to make God's perfectly good creatures the evil monsters we are now. That was Original Sin.
True, the Redemption is rather "half-baked" as you put it. But that's because Jesus, after dying to redeem us, didn't STAY dead. And so, the Redemption was compromised. It's still effective, but only if we choose to be "born again" as He was when he rose from the dead.
The Lord works in poetic ways.
faxigal 2 years ago
the voice reading from the Bible is so annoying!!! and I don't think the interpretation is ok...I imagine that God was very sad when He asked Adam where is he..this man makes God sound so evil...
abbielayla 2 years ago
First, the story of the Fall is nonsense. What was the supposed sin? Eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. But before they ate, they didn't know good and evil. So they didn't know it was evil to disobey God. So it can't have been a sin.
Second, God lied to Adam and Eve. They did not die. Their eyes were opened, as the serpent said.
Third, if we were redeemed by the blood of Jesus, why are we still tainted by this original sin? What kind of half-baked redemption is that?
ClovisMerovech 2 years ago
@ClovisMerovech eating from the three of knowledge meant that we would know ourselves what is good and what is evil,WITHOUT needing God to tell us.when God toled Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge,He knew eating from it was evil,because GOD TOLED HIM.his choice however,was not to listen.second, God didn't lie. before eating from the tree, man would have lived forever in the presence of God;sin brought death
third, from birth we are born in sin,and only by the blood of Jesus we are saved
abbielayla 2 years ago
@abbielayla - Even after God died to redeem us, we still inherit Adam's sin? We still need forgiveness? That's no redemption at all.
God told Adam "IN THE DAY that you eat from it you will surely die." But Adam did not die THAT DAY. He lived 930 years.
Why did God put the Tree of Life in Eden, if Adam was to live forever in the first place?
For that matter, why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in Eden? There was NO EVIL to know. All creation was good.
Silly tale.
ClovisMerovech 2 years ago
@ClovisMerovech you know..right now I have a hard time understanding all of this, and I'm looking for answers too. When God said that Adam will die that day, I think He meant that He will die spiritualy; his conection with God could not be the same if he would eat, so..since a relationship with God is the only source of true life, I guess it's obvious. God put the tree of life in the garden so that men would have free will, the right to decide between right and wrong, between obeying God and not
abbielayla 2 years ago
@ClovisMerovech and about redemtion...the sacrafice of Jesus when He died on the cross means noting in your life IF you do not believe in it...we inherit Adam's sin, which entered the world, and we are free from it only if we BELIEVE and ACCEPT Christ as our saviour from sin, which I suppose you didn't do. Get it? And as concerning the tree...God didn't create us to be robots, He gave us free will to choose to live happily with Him; without the tree, we wouldn't have no choices to make, right?
abbielayla 2 years ago
@ClovisMerovech the tree of knowledge itself was not EVIL...but Adam and Eve's choice to not obey God by eating from the tree...that was wrong. And we can see that not obeying God, (the choice they did) only brought suffering to them. hope you understand...Shalom
abbielayla 2 years ago
@ abbielayla
I didn't mean the tree was evil. I meant, what use was the knowledge of good and evil, in a world that was all good, where there was no evil to know? Isn't that how the world was, before the Fall? God saw that it was good. There was no evil. Although, it is hard, in that case, to explain where that evil serpent came from...
Well, I may never be satisfied with your answers, but I do appreciate your trying to explain. It is very kind of you.
Thanks.
ClovisMerovech 2 years ago
And his physical disease was passed on us as well, hence death passed upon all men for all have sinned.Adam did not just give spiritual death but bodily as well.The sinful nature is passed in the blood.Hence the uniqueness of Christ birth having distinct blood not of the lineage of man.Adam did not fall from morals but from the ideal virtues of God.Morals are for men and society.We are not restored to Adam's original image it was never complete.We are given the image of the heavenly,Jesus Christ
polopowers1 2 years ago
There's something about the funny voice that has a Tim Westwood tinge to it.
oombuddah 2 years ago
Ha ha....the guy that does the bible readings!!! His voice is hilarious. He puts real heart into it!
Drtruman 2 years ago
If we renew with you, how much will it cost us? That's what you didn't say.
ebrak47 2 years ago
These guys hired Dracula to read the scriptures, or did he sound like the bad guy in "Die Hard."
ebrak47 2 years ago
This video takes the "accepted" understanding. Very limited.
To know what the Spirit has revealed in these days = angefall (dot) com
God is beyond your ability to imagine Him. Still you insist on trying to measure and quantify a being with the knowledge and wisdom to design the Universe and the power to make it happen.
God is multi-dimensional and is trying to reveal aspects of His personality in a way you can understand. The natural mind will not get it.
ReverendTFunk 2 years ago
3 head god with one body, sound like hinduism to me.
mahender6969 2 years ago
True mahender6969...three headed monster! Sounds like the three frogs in rev.
gonzalesjg 2 years ago
i have a question is Jesus god him self in human form or the son of god?
salaxudin10 2 years ago
Christianity states Jesus as son of God, whom was crucified. Thus there is father and son and the holy spirit. (trinity)
Islam states that Jesus as a messenger of God whom ascended into heaven.
But figuratively speaking, we are all children of God.
In conclusion, welcome to the confusion of today's world. Read both the Bible and Koran.
In my opinion, there is only one god. He did not create another. I'm sorry if this provides more questions than answers.
hosweetim89 2 years ago
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God
the second Person of the Trinity co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and salvation can only be found in His name.
Repent and turn to Jesus for forgiveness
and God will save you refuse and you will perish. John.
johngeorge48 2 years ago
There is no scripture for the trinity in the bible, if you think there is prove it hrough the bible not what your educated men think they know!!!!!!!!!!!
rongon100 2 years ago
matt 3:16-17 mark 1:10-11 luke 3:22 john 1:32 luke 1:35 heb 9:14 acts7:55 rm 8:11 rm 8:26-27 matt 28:19 2cor 13:14 if you read the bible IN CONTEXT it will show the godhead. of course the word trinity isnt used but if you know what the word trinity means then with these verses proves it, unless you dont acknowledge God, the Holy Spirit, and jesus. i do know your a huge william "false prophet" braham and he teaches this heresey. braham denies God and denies jesus and denies the Holy Spirit.
tspencley3 2 years ago
Remember william branham tought that it has to line up from Genisis to revelations and that doctrine does not. So what you think the scriptures are saying that they are sepreate beings but are one?hmmm I dont think so, they are the same God in diffrent dispensations or in three diffrrent offices and as for that scripture in mat 28:19 what is the name of the father, and of th son, and of the holy ghost what is it. is easy to say the son but which one God gave us the power to become sons of God.
rongon100 2 years ago
How does william branham deny God or the Son or the Holy Ghost they are the same one he brought Jesus out of history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
rongon100 2 years ago
he denies the characteristics which is the trinity he is a ONENESS
tspencley3 2 years ago
Does not deny& is not a oneness. He says can't be jesus only cause it denies the father and the holy ghost, niether is it trinity because it is NOT three persons, and then he would have two fathers "found with child of the Holy Ghost Mat 1:18 , that which is concevied in her is of the Holy Ghost Mat 1:20 I and my father are one John 10:30, john 17:11 it is three offices of the one God Mark 12:32, Rom. 3:30, 1 cor 8:4,6, 1 tim 2:5, james 2:19, but god uses father, & H.G.
rongon100 2 years ago
He denies the trinity because it is not Biblical. It is a trinity of offices not persons or characteristics. Where in the world did you get three distinct person or personalities. People have a difficult time serving one God, let alone three! It is a trinity of offices, or He manifested himself in different offices in different times.
gonzalesjg 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question smarty pants, was the flesh of Jesus God? If the flesh of Jesus was God then how did God die on the cross. I believe He was Fully God and fully man; fully God by the spirit that dwelt in Him, and fully man, which was the Body that cried, hungered, and the one that didn't wan't to go through what awaited him on calvary! God is a spirit, and a son has a beginning (the flesh), and anything that has a beginning has an end. Prove it geneous, dnt just try to sound smrt
gonzalesjg 2 years ago
Were Adam and Eve real people?...
I invite You to my video with title as it's above.
ZooropaDweller 2 years ago
Satan is power. Christ is slavery and masochism.
HolyHellPreacher 2 years ago
Would evil rather target blind optimists or people who use common sense?
fatalist6o9 2 years ago
Why believe everything in the bible? If whole books have been removed, surely the rest of it has been doctored. It can be quite contradictory in places, much the same as religions and their teachers/representatives. I can't imagine the divine source of everything in existance trying to screw with the minds of humanity (which is one species on one planet out of infinite possibilities), through a book which has passed through many hands and was written by many others.
fatalist6o9 2 years ago
This is to whoever wrote the script for this video.
Christ said it best: Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Formulaic faith & salvation.
They do have a nice camera though, I wonder what make and model it is.
oedivelgoog 2 years ago 2
We would all be better off if we burned our bibles and followed out Hearts. The concept of original sin is a vicious lie, made up to scare people into supporting a malevolent church. Church is where people go to think other people's thoughts. It's a mind-control institution, historically controlled by governments, to keep people in line.
NotOfThisGalaxy 2 years ago
Hahaha..
cathy356 2 years ago
The Narrator of the Scriptures is really off putting- what an irritating way of talking... What's with the weird tone of voice?
keljesusgirl 2 years ago
I am my own creation, i am, self-made
FalseFace3268 2 years ago
In what sense were you referring to? You've made yourself appear into existence? Or that you've succeeded in life by or with your own efforts?
renaissancesociety 2 years ago
Hahaha, how come you have to follow someone elses rules then?
cathy356 2 years ago
everyone is accounted for their sins and on the day of judgment, and you will not be accounted for the sin of Adam and Eve because that was THEIR sin.
sarahfazee 2 years ago
There is NO where in Gen..that Adam sin was passed to us..God made the first sacrifice..to cover the sin..They were separated till the sacrifice..Which God only gave Physical death curse to each of us....Not spiritual death!!!
MeLady2 2 years ago
The whole idea of "Original Sin" is idiotic. I am guilty, from birth, because a couple of naked people in a garden (being coerced by a talking snake) ate an apple? I had nothing to do with their calamity and I will take no blame. Thank you very much.
Furthermore, I never asked J.C. to die for my sins. I would never ask anyone to do anything like that for me. It was a nice gesture. Not necessary, tho.
He didn't even have the decency to stay dead for our sins. He came back 3 days later!
HolyHellPreacher 2 years ago
Do you realise we are not even worthy of HIS presence and you are saying HE shouldn't have risen? HE is GOD and HE deserves all glory, not to remain in the grave.
ghghes 2 years ago
ghghes: How do you know it's a "HE"? Does a G-d have a gender? If we are not worthy of "HIS" presence, we should refuse "HIM" when he returns. Since, we are not worthy.
Jesus didn't need to die for my supposed sins. I'd prefer to die for my own.
HolyHellPreacher 2 years ago
Read Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, and the numerous other prophesies about the coming Messiah - and then see how they were perfectly fulfilled in the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If you don't want Him to cover your sins, then you WILL die in your sins, and the Bible calls that the second death. God will not force you to be reconciled to Him, but why refuse such an amazing free gift - eternal life?
theheins 2 years ago
theheins: Eternal life sounds nice and all. But, there's a catch to this. In order to live forever you have to worship and serve the Lord...FOREVER! If I'm to live forever, I sure as hell don't want to be serving and worshiping for eternity. I've done enough serving on this planet. Just let me die.
HolyHellPreacher 2 years ago
But thats just it, your only other alternative when you die is burning alive in a pit within a lake of fire, in complete darkness with the stench of death, rotting and burning flesh, screaming and nashing of teeth, incredible thirst, are just some of what you will be going through for eternity! (Billions and trillions of yrs will be 1 day in eternity) And why wouldn't you choose to worship Jesus, it brings you blessings. He doesn't need our worship, it improves our lives and fills us with joy!
cathy356 2 years ago
cathy: "burning alive in a pit within a lake of fire, in complete darkness with the stench of death, rotting and burning flesh, screaming and nashing of teeth, incredible thirst, are just some of what you will be going through for eternity!"
This sounds awesome! Where do I sign up?
HolyHellPreacher 2 years ago
cathy: how can you have 'burning', and 'complete darkness' at the same time? Last time I looked, fire created light.
k0smon 2 years ago
Oh, you will my friend, you will, if you deny the free gift of the grace of Christs sufferings for your soul.
cathy356 2 years ago
A free gift my &ss. If it is free, then why do you have to continue to serve him for eternity? I'm mean, if you stop serving him, you have to start over with the whole process of being saved again, right? It doesn't seem to be very free to me. If you pay your child's college tuition on the condition that she serve you for life, it wasn't really 'free' was it? Just what is it that you really mean by free? Free (with strings)? Free (with servitude)? That's not free. That's slavery.
AngelMiracles5 2 years ago 2
@AngelMiracles5 You're confused due to your ignorance of even the most basic aspects of theology.
ytuseruber 1 year ago