waaaaaaaaat. Trinitarians and Oneness advocates are monotheists... What's this nonsense that Unitarians have an "advantage" by believing in one God when the two other sides do too? And would Jesus being God the Son be an atheist...? There is no contradiction in the Son calling the Father the true God. The Father is God to ALL, the Son is God to ALL. Christ is very God of very God. Would the Son deny the deity of the Father? No He would not. Plus, "God our Savior" Jude 25 1 Timothy 2:3 Titus 3:4
@CarmineFragione you not making any sense. I'm confused whether you believe in the Trinity or in the Modalism(pentecostal oneness) doctrine. With all due respect, you are misrepresenting the Catholics with your strange understanding of the Trinity. I dont know who taught you, or which college you came from, but surely you are very unorthodox in doctrine.
A Dead Human Being is no longer considered a Person. The body is still a collection of property of substance, but has become silent and uncommunicative. So the Being is DEAD, but a Person can never be dead by definition. The Person is the outside agency of BEHAVORIAL aspects of the Ethereal or Divine Heavenly, The Abode of God is limitless, yet silent until the Person of God the Holy Spirit is the active Character of God imputing Jesus Christ into the members of the Church. Trinity.
BEING = Collection of Material Objects, a complete set of physical property. PERSON = Behavioral Circumstances that communicates a Meaningful Experience, whether it has Mass or it is Ethereal , or if it has both . The Being of God without doing anything in the behavioral sense of messaging between BEINGS, is then not a Person, The Person is caught in the ACT of "Spirit moving over the waters" If a man stands still and empties his mind to think nothing, he is nothing.
Now if I were to write a play and decide I would be the only actor, as a being, a Human Being, to bring to life the play before the audience. But if I go out before the people and freeze and cannot play the part and thus exude no character ,I am not then being a "Person" as appearing before the people. I may be a Being standing there worthlessly, but I am not being the Person I intended to present to the audience. So the Person must be a Character with DEEDS, but a Being may be Silent.
Pentecostalism is in the Name of Jesus the Oneness of God as fully come, and it is the Name which comes out of the YHWH or YHVH Tetragrammaton, source that is Pentecostalism, for the Oneness. not that they worship the flesh and blood of the human nature of Jesus as it was "God "!!! "There is no other Name given under Heaven by which we must be saved " So, again the Same One Being, afflicted us with various Names out of the YHWH ,until Yeshua or Jesus was given as the final Revelation.
The Father and the Son ,and the Holy Ghost are of the same "SUBSTANCE" but as to what is that , we Catholics know it is very much a mystery of God, and we do not make conclusions we cannot support by our own witness. But the idea of the Shekinah Glory, and the Transfiguration on the Mount, brings us a glimpse into the Mind of God as able to play out the titles of being Father, being the Son , being the Holy Ghost as unique characters and Persons of God, but while Yet God is the Same Being
In the mind of the Christians at the Council of Nicea, they were using a very highly intellectual sense of the Person being intangibly unique and immaterial to the sense of the corporal being . The Human Being, is not the mind or the body or the spirit but the Trinity Unity of these in a collective unity as One. One Actor who is the same One Author, in the Greek Drama, had POWERS of the INTELLECT, to wear many masks, alter voices and play out many Persons or Personas by One BEING !!!
I gave clear example of the Trilogy World of the Aleph Men Shin, Way God manifests His One Being into many persons. God as the Light, God as the Water ,God as the Fire ,Then God as the Seven Spirits of God, and so forth, onto a Mystical Explanation of the Hebrew Alphabet that adds 3 creation icons, 7 archangel icons and 12 figures of the Zodiac Celestial Realm, which reveals the mind of the Jews in bringing us the Trinity Mystery that God is a Collective Oneness, yet Distinct Persons.
@DnRchristianity I gave you the scriptures, from Paul, Col. 1:15 and Eph. 4:9 to summarize that God is the only Actor, but wearing the Masks of Character to play out as real appearances of three Persons, in the sense that the Greco Roman mind understood, not in the Jewish Mysticism. The Catholics say it is a Mystery, because our carnal minds cannot completely define the issue, but represent the idea that a Person is not the Being, and the Being has no particular Behavior as such.
@DnRchristianity Pentecostal Doctrine is of the Name of Jesus, which comes again as a Person, the characteristic of the Fullness of the Godhead, in the Name that has it's Origins in YHWH the Divine Tetragrammaton. God as the Being, does not have to act or have any Personhood, God can be as much the VOID as the ONE in summation of all that is , as God. The Behavior of God, as the single Author and Actor takes on Personhood, by His appearances and DEEDS God transfigures into Christ
God the Father is Jesus Christ, God the Son is Jesus Christ. God the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ, It is the end of the theme of God appearing in various ways now set before us, to Eternally take the Throne in Zion as the Messiah Jesus Christ, who is the final way God shall ever appear ever again to anyone. God has come in the flesh and now the Son and the Father is without distinctions, the end is better than the beginning. God shall never again be seen as anything else than Jesus
@CarmineFragione so youre saying that you dont believe in the catholic doctrine of the trinity, but your own view of the trinity? dont say things about ''mask'', because that sounds more like the pentacostal oneness to me. Do you actually know what you believe, because even Trinitarians will argue with you
The Being, has no particular Behavior, no identifiable PERSONAGE. Behavior is elective, and when it is communal, that a Divine God, who is Complex in Unity has the Assembly or Ingathering as the definition of Divinity, not the separate things by themselves, but the Collective Noun sense of "All things as One." God as the Being is One, but from this Being, Three Distinct Persons have come forth with Character to appear and play a role in the whole Divinity of God, with EQUITY
The Latin term for Person "Persona" is not then the same meaning as the "Being" A human being is one body and one soul, but out of the assembly of this Trinity Assembly of Body, Mind, & Spirit is the Incorporation of a total higher construct by the Assembly, that each part to itself would only be a lesser power, The fullness of the Godhead is the Collective Noun in the Ingathering of all Power and Authority into One Place. The Person is the projection of Behavior, out of the Being
Don't just look at scriptures that fascinate your mind, look at the proof for God's oneness and not other examples of a compound One. Paul said in 1 Cor.8:6 that "there's one God, the Father....", there is no indication that God is a compound one consisting of three! If God is really a compound one then surely the Apostles shouldve outline it for us, not the council of Nicea!
@DnRchristianity You think you are smart because maybe you have more precise words to use than they had in Council of Nicea ??? Well you fail again, because you will have to translate that all back into the Greek Language and then investigate the Greco Roman Heritage shared with the Hellenic Jews to set all the determinable meanings of the Trinity Doctrine as to time and place where it belongs, and then you will find out your Unitarians are BALONEY ARTISTS. Person is not a Being !
In my own self , in the mind God gave me, I saw, that the power of God's Spirit as given as the Talent to my existence, I have a mind that at the same time , creates the stage for DREAMS as a world within a set time limit. And upon the stage , my same Mind is presenting fantastic characters full of life and a script for them to recite, And then, Behold, I am projecting my persona, my image of myself, to appear also with the other characters inside my dream and so I see myself, appear 3=1
@CarmineFragione With all due respect, you are creating your own definition for God and a Trinity. What you said that the Father Son and Holy Ghost is inside of Jesus, is a "Pentecostal Oneness" definition not a Trinity doctrine. I dont know where you got your teachings, but non of that is a Trinity doctrine. The things you talk about dreams and the human mind,that is what the Philosophers said not the Theologians. You given your own human reason as to why God is three, but no scriptures.
@DnRchristianity You are wrong the Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity is based on a Greek Philosophy of interpreting the mystery yes. It takes the term " Person" to the Latin root term " Persona" which comes of the Greek Theater, by which power of the Being, the Single Author can be the Single Actor to then wear the "Persona" or the "Mask" ( Persona in Latin means "Mask" ) to gain the powers of the Single Being to DIVINE or separate into three Persons or Characters exuding out of One
When one considers Colossians 1:15 and Ephesians 4:9 one must put together the Oneness of God as a Mind, out there beyond the Universe ,surrounding all things, also indwelling all things, that then are existing because God is an Intelligent Being who sustains all things by His Command, Then God is able to move through His own Being and Creation to come down to our level , appear as Jesus, be the Son, be the Father, be the Holy Spirit as Three Persons out of One Being of God, with no problem.
Colossians 1:15 " He is the image of the Invisible God the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created:things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him . He is before all things, and in him all things hold together, and he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" 3=1
Ephesians 4:9 "What does it mean "he ascended" except that he also DESCENDED to the lower, earthly regions ! He who descended is the VERY ONE who ASCENDED higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the the WHOLE UNIVERSE. " This means the God who is One descended from the highest Heavens to be Man for our sake and so then this Man ASCENDED beyond the Universe, to take us with Himself to Glory, because Jesus is the Father Himself, Three Persons in One Being of God, Jesus is GOD !
The entire idea of the Good Shepherd , is about how the sheep are naturally afraid of a strange man who might approach them, But the man by wisdom of God, does cover up his human form with a clothing of wool and skins of the sheep,, and then as the man approaches the sheep, the sheep see the outer coverings of sheep skins and wool and is not afraid and accepts the man as one of them. So the Good Shepherd is God covering up His "Fatherhood" with a "Sonship" of human flesh and blood.
If there be anything in the Universe that agrees with the Mind of God without dissonance on the least part, then the only way to describe the major and minor issue of God is that all that is perfectly in the Dominion of God without SIN, is at all times, forever and before, and after, the same God as One. God is not a Material Objective commodity to separate God's Place from where Jesus stood at all times, They are in each other without separation or distinctions, that is what God is. 3=1
There is absolutely no other possible examples given of God how to interpret what God is as "One" The Water gathered into One Place, makes Water , either one drop or all the drops in the Universe, if gathered together, to retain the Singularity of Sense as God is One, And the Two flesh become One ,and the Nation as One, etc. There is no other Theological Explanation for what God Himself means that God is One, except the Domain of God is complex as a Collective Noun without inequality.
The human mind is as a god. We have a mind that creates a dream sometimes so lucid and real, it cannot be rejected. Then , the same person we are, makes up interesting characters that appear in the dream. Then the same being we are, projects the image of ourselves into the dream and BEHOLD , we see ourselves in the dream and move from the aspect of being an Observer , to appearing in the person of ourselves, and speaking to other people, while all the time, our mind is surrounding it.
Jesus is God, never did Jesus forbid any man to worship Jesus as God, and all references to the distinction of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is about how Jesus explained the Mystery of God to the people. It is as if, God in His Mind is imagining the world and it appears like a Vision or Dream in God's Mind and God projects Himself into the Vision, and in that timely apparition of a world, God appears among His People as Jesus Christ, We do this all the time in our own dreams.
IN terms of the Proprietorship of God over all the Domain of God, God is One, and what is not given a soul of separation, remains at all times then in the Domain of God and under the absolute Rule of God as One Being. God gave man a soul of separation ,able to sin, Jesus had no sin ,nor did Jesus have any ability to sin, for the Mind of Jesus was Resonantly Equal to God's Mind and whatever the Father was thinking, the Son was also sharing the same Mind and Thought as One Being.
Unitarians are lost in Materialism, They say, well God the Father is given a Matter or holds then a Mass, as an object found in the Old Testament. Then the Son , to show me the Son, you need a separate Matter to behold , having his own Mass. This is a dead philosophy concealed as a religion. If we simply reverse time to the Big Bang, we find that the rules of behavior of all Mass gather inwards to occupy the exact same place, as one primeval atom, and so God is not separate from Jesus
@CarmineFragione Sorry but you are very unscriptural! You know too much of Philosophy and is unable to give scriptural explanation for the things which you have said. You claiming to be Trinitarian, but you don't even understand the orthodox definition of the Trinity. Ask any Trinitarian Theologian if the Father was in the flesh of Jesus. The correct definition says that "God, the Son" was in Jesus' flesh. and lastly, we didnt ment Unitarian in general, we rather meant the Bible's view
@DnRchristianity You are the one who does not understand the Bible, The Bible gives three examples of what God means by "one" "All the water was gathered into ONE place" " The two flesh became ONE" also " The people all had the same language as ONE nation and thus nothing will be impossible for them to do" Now I dare you to mention from Genesis, any other references out of the Mouth of God as to what God means by "ONE" ! The Father and Son are One, as One Being.
@DnRchristianity I gave you the three proofs of Genesis about how God is Collectively the One God, " All the water was gathered into one place" So the Father and Son as gathered into the same One Place is equal to each other and is then God as One. " The Two flesh shall become One" So the Holy Spirit is God entering the flesh to be with the Son and so what is the Father and what is the Son is married together into One Mystical Body. " the people are of the same language as One Nation"
@DnRchristianity On the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus revealed His flesh Son , the body as appearing to people, turned into Light to reveal that the Shekinah Glory Cloud of Yahweh was manifesting the flesh to appear before us, and it could be changed in the twinkling of the eye into Glory , and other characters in the Mind of God, as Moses and Elijah popping out of the Glory, then going back into the Mind of God and Jesus reappearing as the flesh and blood Son of God again, CASES CLOSED
@DnRchristianity Sorry but the Doctrine of the Trinity does not say that God the Son was in the flesh of Jesus, no, It says that three "Persons" not three "Beings" were in the flesh of Jesus. So the issue of the Persona goes to the Greek Drama, from the term for a Single Actor, who simply wears a Mask "Persona" and so changes his appearance and his voice and acts out all the characters he has written into his own play as the Sole Author and Sole Actor of the Script, Repent yourself.
Jesus is God and God does not have to leave the world to be found inside the flesh and blood corporal body of Jesus. When anyone of us dreams a dream. We have our same one brain or mind, do many things at the same time .We create the dream world, just like God spoke the world into existence. We then place many characters in our dreams to act and we watch them. Then BEHOLD, we go inside our own dreams and appear as ourselves to speak to the people, and yet our mind is surrounding the affair.
Charles Darwin was a Unitarian, So , he saw God as an outside the world agency , if at all, and then looked to the Natural World for a Materialistic answer as to the process of how things happen . But this is a False Theology, entirely. God is the surrounding reality itself and expressing by the the Will of God's Being, to make things appear and happen. And when Jesus came into the world, God was in that body of flesh , not so unlike ourselves, but with all Authority of God to ACT.
Unitarians are rejecting the Mystical Body of Christ, God is not an Object, to be defined as over there in the corner, while the world is everywhere else. The whole Creation is but inside the domain of God at all times, and we are moving and existing as submissive to God but inside God's Being at all times. Thus when God appears in the world, God has not left any other place, but demonstrated His Authority in whatever God has appeared as. God came in the flesh as Jesus, Jesus is God
Unitarians only are being submissive to "MATERIALISM" because they cannot explain how matter can occupy the coinciding area of another matter. So they are seeing God as a Matter, an Object, and then seeing Jesus as unable to be in the same place, since Materialism says you cannot squeeze atoms into each other to make them "One" . So, Unitarians are not Christians but members of an Occult Materialist precursor to Deism and then Atheism , for they surrendered to Materialism.
Deuteronomy 32:6 Moses asks the people " Is not God your Father ?" Of course Moses had explained they were not the Sons of God, and that God complained " When are these people going to believe me ?" So, Moses was talking about God the Father from Eternity ,with God the Son from Eternity , a Divine Relationship existing in the One Being of God. All the Jews say "God is One " ? But ask them, " one what ?" God is one what ? Then they cannot answer ,because it is forbidden to tell you.
Christians invoke the Name of Jesus, which is the Name of God Yahweh " Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail" ( YAD HEY VAV HEY) the Divine Tetragrammaton. But Jesus never invoked the Father's Name to do anything at all. Jesus did everything on His own Divinity ,being EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER. Why is this so ? Because the Father was inside the body of Jesus, whose flesh and blood was simply covering up the Divine God Yahweh, who came from Heaven and indwelt a Tent of Skins, by the Law.
The entire Creation is a reality existing in the Domain of God, not outside or besides God. God is never an object to found in the Creation , God is the Creation as the Source of it at all times. If God removes Himself from the Creation the World does not exist. In our own dreams we can observe the dream, and see ourselves appearing in the dream at the same time . So, One Being is making up the dream, watching it, and appearing in it as the SELF. Father, Son, Holy Spirit is One Being.
Unitarian is false. God is surrounding all things, not an object apart from any or all other things, The Unitarians say God is the Father "in the Old Testament " that makes the Old Testament the Medium in which God is the object found in it. This is all false teaching. God came in the flesh, the fullness of the Godhead indwelt Jesus bodily, meaning in the same place as Jesus stood, Jesus was standing in God's own Place, God was in the body of Jesus, as the Spirit moved the flesh
is quite simple or jesus is the lord of all or he is not the lord at alll
mendezfocus 2 weeks ago
waaaaaaaaat. Trinitarians and Oneness advocates are monotheists... What's this nonsense that Unitarians have an "advantage" by believing in one God when the two other sides do too? And would Jesus being God the Son be an atheist...? There is no contradiction in the Son calling the Father the true God. The Father is God to ALL, the Son is God to ALL. Christ is very God of very God. Would the Son deny the deity of the Father? No He would not. Plus, "God our Savior" Jude 25 1 Timothy 2:3 Titus 3:4
blakodeel 1 month ago
These are trinitarian value standards.
anissueofursincerity 1 month ago
@t1l1m im sorry,but in what way is this video evil? Please refer to which parts is misrepresnting christianity?
DnRchristianity 1 month ago
I am a One God Christian, Jesus Christ is His Son; a monotheist, a Biblical Unitarian
This video is evil and you are not winning people to Christ you are actually repelling anyone looking.
t1l1m 1 month ago
@CarmineFragione you not making any sense. I'm confused whether you believe in the Trinity or in the Modalism(pentecostal oneness) doctrine. With all due respect, you are misrepresenting the Catholics with your strange understanding of the Trinity. I dont know who taught you, or which college you came from, but surely you are very unorthodox in doctrine.
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
A Dead Human Being is no longer considered a Person. The body is still a collection of property of substance, but has become silent and uncommunicative. So the Being is DEAD, but a Person can never be dead by definition. The Person is the outside agency of BEHAVORIAL aspects of the Ethereal or Divine Heavenly, The Abode of God is limitless, yet silent until the Person of God the Holy Spirit is the active Character of God imputing Jesus Christ into the members of the Church. Trinity.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
BEING = Collection of Material Objects, a complete set of physical property. PERSON = Behavioral Circumstances that communicates a Meaningful Experience, whether it has Mass or it is Ethereal , or if it has both . The Being of God without doing anything in the behavioral sense of messaging between BEINGS, is then not a Person, The Person is caught in the ACT of "Spirit moving over the waters" If a man stands still and empties his mind to think nothing, he is nothing.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Now if I were to write a play and decide I would be the only actor, as a being, a Human Being, to bring to life the play before the audience. But if I go out before the people and freeze and cannot play the part and thus exude no character ,I am not then being a "Person" as appearing before the people. I may be a Being standing there worthlessly, but I am not being the Person I intended to present to the audience. So the Person must be a Character with DEEDS, but a Being may be Silent.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Pentecostalism is in the Name of Jesus the Oneness of God as fully come, and it is the Name which comes out of the YHWH or YHVH Tetragrammaton, source that is Pentecostalism, for the Oneness. not that they worship the flesh and blood of the human nature of Jesus as it was "God "!!! "There is no other Name given under Heaven by which we must be saved " So, again the Same One Being, afflicted us with various Names out of the YHWH ,until Yeshua or Jesus was given as the final Revelation.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
The Father and the Son ,and the Holy Ghost are of the same "SUBSTANCE" but as to what is that , we Catholics know it is very much a mystery of God, and we do not make conclusions we cannot support by our own witness. But the idea of the Shekinah Glory, and the Transfiguration on the Mount, brings us a glimpse into the Mind of God as able to play out the titles of being Father, being the Son , being the Holy Ghost as unique characters and Persons of God, but while Yet God is the Same Being
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
In the mind of the Christians at the Council of Nicea, they were using a very highly intellectual sense of the Person being intangibly unique and immaterial to the sense of the corporal being . The Human Being, is not the mind or the body or the spirit but the Trinity Unity of these in a collective unity as One. One Actor who is the same One Author, in the Greek Drama, had POWERS of the INTELLECT, to wear many masks, alter voices and play out many Persons or Personas by One BEING !!!
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
I gave clear example of the Trilogy World of the Aleph Men Shin, Way God manifests His One Being into many persons. God as the Light, God as the Water ,God as the Fire ,Then God as the Seven Spirits of God, and so forth, onto a Mystical Explanation of the Hebrew Alphabet that adds 3 creation icons, 7 archangel icons and 12 figures of the Zodiac Celestial Realm, which reveals the mind of the Jews in bringing us the Trinity Mystery that God is a Collective Oneness, yet Distinct Persons.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@CarmineFragione That definition that tou gave me is exactly the the pentacostal oneness(Jesus Only) doctrine!
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity I gave you the scriptures, from Paul, Col. 1:15 and Eph. 4:9 to summarize that God is the only Actor, but wearing the Masks of Character to play out as real appearances of three Persons, in the sense that the Greco Roman mind understood, not in the Jewish Mysticism. The Catholics say it is a Mystery, because our carnal minds cannot completely define the issue, but represent the idea that a Person is not the Being, and the Being has no particular Behavior as such.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity Pentecostal Doctrine is of the Name of Jesus, which comes again as a Person, the characteristic of the Fullness of the Godhead, in the Name that has it's Origins in YHWH the Divine Tetragrammaton. God as the Being, does not have to act or have any Personhood, God can be as much the VOID as the ONE in summation of all that is , as God. The Behavior of God, as the single Author and Actor takes on Personhood, by His appearances and DEEDS God transfigures into Christ
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
God the Father is Jesus Christ, God the Son is Jesus Christ. God the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ, It is the end of the theme of God appearing in various ways now set before us, to Eternally take the Throne in Zion as the Messiah Jesus Christ, who is the final way God shall ever appear ever again to anyone. God has come in the flesh and now the Son and the Father is without distinctions, the end is better than the beginning. God shall never again be seen as anything else than Jesus
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@CarmineFragione so youre saying that you dont believe in the catholic doctrine of the trinity, but your own view of the trinity? dont say things about ''mask'', because that sounds more like the pentacostal oneness to me. Do you actually know what you believe, because even Trinitarians will argue with you
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
The Being, has no particular Behavior, no identifiable PERSONAGE. Behavior is elective, and when it is communal, that a Divine God, who is Complex in Unity has the Assembly or Ingathering as the definition of Divinity, not the separate things by themselves, but the Collective Noun sense of "All things as One." God as the Being is One, but from this Being, Three Distinct Persons have come forth with Character to appear and play a role in the whole Divinity of God, with EQUITY
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
The Latin term for Person "Persona" is not then the same meaning as the "Being" A human being is one body and one soul, but out of the assembly of this Trinity Assembly of Body, Mind, & Spirit is the Incorporation of a total higher construct by the Assembly, that each part to itself would only be a lesser power, The fullness of the Godhead is the Collective Noun in the Ingathering of all Power and Authority into One Place. The Person is the projection of Behavior, out of the Being
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Don't just look at scriptures that fascinate your mind, look at the proof for God's oneness and not other examples of a compound One. Paul said in 1 Cor.8:6 that "there's one God, the Father....", there is no indication that God is a compound one consisting of three! If God is really a compound one then surely the Apostles shouldve outline it for us, not the council of Nicea!
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity You think you are smart because maybe you have more precise words to use than they had in Council of Nicea ??? Well you fail again, because you will have to translate that all back into the Greek Language and then investigate the Greco Roman Heritage shared with the Hellenic Jews to set all the determinable meanings of the Trinity Doctrine as to time and place where it belongs, and then you will find out your Unitarians are BALONEY ARTISTS. Person is not a Being !
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
In my own self , in the mind God gave me, I saw, that the power of God's Spirit as given as the Talent to my existence, I have a mind that at the same time , creates the stage for DREAMS as a world within a set time limit. And upon the stage , my same Mind is presenting fantastic characters full of life and a script for them to recite, And then, Behold, I am projecting my persona, my image of myself, to appear also with the other characters inside my dream and so I see myself, appear 3=1
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@CarmineFragione With all due respect, you are creating your own definition for God and a Trinity. What you said that the Father Son and Holy Ghost is inside of Jesus, is a "Pentecostal Oneness" definition not a Trinity doctrine. I dont know where you got your teachings, but non of that is a Trinity doctrine. The things you talk about dreams and the human mind,that is what the Philosophers said not the Theologians. You given your own human reason as to why God is three, but no scriptures.
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity You are wrong the Catholic Doctrine of the Trinity is based on a Greek Philosophy of interpreting the mystery yes. It takes the term " Person" to the Latin root term " Persona" which comes of the Greek Theater, by which power of the Being, the Single Author can be the Single Actor to then wear the "Persona" or the "Mask" ( Persona in Latin means "Mask" ) to gain the powers of the Single Being to DIVINE or separate into three Persons or Characters exuding out of One
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
When one considers Colossians 1:15 and Ephesians 4:9 one must put together the Oneness of God as a Mind, out there beyond the Universe ,surrounding all things, also indwelling all things, that then are existing because God is an Intelligent Being who sustains all things by His Command, Then God is able to move through His own Being and Creation to come down to our level , appear as Jesus, be the Son, be the Father, be the Holy Spirit as Three Persons out of One Being of God, with no problem.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Colossians 1:15 " He is the image of the Invisible God the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created:things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him . He is before all things, and in him all things hold together, and he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" 3=1
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Ephesians 4:9 "What does it mean "he ascended" except that he also DESCENDED to the lower, earthly regions ! He who descended is the VERY ONE who ASCENDED higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the the WHOLE UNIVERSE. " This means the God who is One descended from the highest Heavens to be Man for our sake and so then this Man ASCENDED beyond the Universe, to take us with Himself to Glory, because Jesus is the Father Himself, Three Persons in One Being of God, Jesus is GOD !
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
The entire idea of the Good Shepherd , is about how the sheep are naturally afraid of a strange man who might approach them, But the man by wisdom of God, does cover up his human form with a clothing of wool and skins of the sheep,, and then as the man approaches the sheep, the sheep see the outer coverings of sheep skins and wool and is not afraid and accepts the man as one of them. So the Good Shepherd is God covering up His "Fatherhood" with a "Sonship" of human flesh and blood.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
If there be anything in the Universe that agrees with the Mind of God without dissonance on the least part, then the only way to describe the major and minor issue of God is that all that is perfectly in the Dominion of God without SIN, is at all times, forever and before, and after, the same God as One. God is not a Material Objective commodity to separate God's Place from where Jesus stood at all times, They are in each other without separation or distinctions, that is what God is. 3=1
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
There is absolutely no other possible examples given of God how to interpret what God is as "One" The Water gathered into One Place, makes Water , either one drop or all the drops in the Universe, if gathered together, to retain the Singularity of Sense as God is One, And the Two flesh become One ,and the Nation as One, etc. There is no other Theological Explanation for what God Himself means that God is One, except the Domain of God is complex as a Collective Noun without inequality.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
The human mind is as a god. We have a mind that creates a dream sometimes so lucid and real, it cannot be rejected. Then , the same person we are, makes up interesting characters that appear in the dream. Then the same being we are, projects the image of ourselves into the dream and BEHOLD , we see ourselves in the dream and move from the aspect of being an Observer , to appearing in the person of ourselves, and speaking to other people, while all the time, our mind is surrounding it.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Jesus is God, never did Jesus forbid any man to worship Jesus as God, and all references to the distinction of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is about how Jesus explained the Mystery of God to the people. It is as if, God in His Mind is imagining the world and it appears like a Vision or Dream in God's Mind and God projects Himself into the Vision, and in that timely apparition of a world, God appears among His People as Jesus Christ, We do this all the time in our own dreams.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
IN terms of the Proprietorship of God over all the Domain of God, God is One, and what is not given a soul of separation, remains at all times then in the Domain of God and under the absolute Rule of God as One Being. God gave man a soul of separation ,able to sin, Jesus had no sin ,nor did Jesus have any ability to sin, for the Mind of Jesus was Resonantly Equal to God's Mind and whatever the Father was thinking, the Son was also sharing the same Mind and Thought as One Being.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Unitarians are lost in Materialism, They say, well God the Father is given a Matter or holds then a Mass, as an object found in the Old Testament. Then the Son , to show me the Son, you need a separate Matter to behold , having his own Mass. This is a dead philosophy concealed as a religion. If we simply reverse time to the Big Bang, we find that the rules of behavior of all Mass gather inwards to occupy the exact same place, as one primeval atom, and so God is not separate from Jesus
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@CarmineFragione Sorry but you are very unscriptural! You know too much of Philosophy and is unable to give scriptural explanation for the things which you have said. You claiming to be Trinitarian, but you don't even understand the orthodox definition of the Trinity. Ask any Trinitarian Theologian if the Father was in the flesh of Jesus. The correct definition says that "God, the Son" was in Jesus' flesh. and lastly, we didnt ment Unitarian in general, we rather meant the Bible's view
DnRchristianity 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity You are the one who does not understand the Bible, The Bible gives three examples of what God means by "one" "All the water was gathered into ONE place" " The two flesh became ONE" also " The people all had the same language as ONE nation and thus nothing will be impossible for them to do" Now I dare you to mention from Genesis, any other references out of the Mouth of God as to what God means by "ONE" ! The Father and Son are One, as One Being.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity I gave you the three proofs of Genesis about how God is Collectively the One God, " All the water was gathered into one place" So the Father and Son as gathered into the same One Place is equal to each other and is then God as One. " The Two flesh shall become One" So the Holy Spirit is God entering the flesh to be with the Son and so what is the Father and what is the Son is married together into One Mystical Body. " the people are of the same language as One Nation"
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity On the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus revealed His flesh Son , the body as appearing to people, turned into Light to reveal that the Shekinah Glory Cloud of Yahweh was manifesting the flesh to appear before us, and it could be changed in the twinkling of the eye into Glory , and other characters in the Mind of God, as Moses and Elijah popping out of the Glory, then going back into the Mind of God and Jesus reappearing as the flesh and blood Son of God again, CASES CLOSED
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
@DnRchristianity Sorry but the Doctrine of the Trinity does not say that God the Son was in the flesh of Jesus, no, It says that three "Persons" not three "Beings" were in the flesh of Jesus. So the issue of the Persona goes to the Greek Drama, from the term for a Single Actor, who simply wears a Mask "Persona" and so changes his appearance and his voice and acts out all the characters he has written into his own play as the Sole Author and Sole Actor of the Script, Repent yourself.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Jesus is God and God does not have to leave the world to be found inside the flesh and blood corporal body of Jesus. When anyone of us dreams a dream. We have our same one brain or mind, do many things at the same time .We create the dream world, just like God spoke the world into existence. We then place many characters in our dreams to act and we watch them. Then BEHOLD, we go inside our own dreams and appear as ourselves to speak to the people, and yet our mind is surrounding the affair.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Charles Darwin was a Unitarian, So , he saw God as an outside the world agency , if at all, and then looked to the Natural World for a Materialistic answer as to the process of how things happen . But this is a False Theology, entirely. God is the surrounding reality itself and expressing by the the Will of God's Being, to make things appear and happen. And when Jesus came into the world, God was in that body of flesh , not so unlike ourselves, but with all Authority of God to ACT.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Unitarians are rejecting the Mystical Body of Christ, God is not an Object, to be defined as over there in the corner, while the world is everywhere else. The whole Creation is but inside the domain of God at all times, and we are moving and existing as submissive to God but inside God's Being at all times. Thus when God appears in the world, God has not left any other place, but demonstrated His Authority in whatever God has appeared as. God came in the flesh as Jesus, Jesus is God
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Unitarians only are being submissive to "MATERIALISM" because they cannot explain how matter can occupy the coinciding area of another matter. So they are seeing God as a Matter, an Object, and then seeing Jesus as unable to be in the same place, since Materialism says you cannot squeeze atoms into each other to make them "One" . So, Unitarians are not Christians but members of an Occult Materialist precursor to Deism and then Atheism , for they surrendered to Materialism.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Deuteronomy 32:6 Moses asks the people " Is not God your Father ?" Of course Moses had explained they were not the Sons of God, and that God complained " When are these people going to believe me ?" So, Moses was talking about God the Father from Eternity ,with God the Son from Eternity , a Divine Relationship existing in the One Being of God. All the Jews say "God is One " ? But ask them, " one what ?" God is one what ? Then they cannot answer ,because it is forbidden to tell you.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Christians invoke the Name of Jesus, which is the Name of God Yahweh " Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail" ( YAD HEY VAV HEY) the Divine Tetragrammaton. But Jesus never invoked the Father's Name to do anything at all. Jesus did everything on His own Divinity ,being EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER. Why is this so ? Because the Father was inside the body of Jesus, whose flesh and blood was simply covering up the Divine God Yahweh, who came from Heaven and indwelt a Tent of Skins, by the Law.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
The entire Creation is a reality existing in the Domain of God, not outside or besides God. God is never an object to found in the Creation , God is the Creation as the Source of it at all times. If God removes Himself from the Creation the World does not exist. In our own dreams we can observe the dream, and see ourselves appearing in the dream at the same time . So, One Being is making up the dream, watching it, and appearing in it as the SELF. Father, Son, Holy Spirit is One Being.
CarmineFragione 6 months ago
Unitarian is false. God is surrounding all things, not an object apart from any or all other things, The Unitarians say God is the Father "in the Old Testament " that makes the Old Testament the Medium in which God is the object found in it. This is all false teaching. God came in the flesh, the fullness of the Godhead indwelt Jesus bodily, meaning in the same place as Jesus stood, Jesus was standing in God's own Place, God was in the body of Jesus, as the Spirit moved the flesh
CarmineFragione 6 months ago