WAY too much magnesium; way too much work...5-6 scraps of mag "dust" on to a cotton ball/dryer lint, then strike the rod with the back of your knife and spark that ball into a flame...couple mins max...
you only need to make a pile like that IF you don't have tinder like a cotton ball and/or everything is wet...
WAY TOO MANY peeps here don't know how to use these LOL
I watched 3 other vids on magnesium fire starters (2 Coleman 1 generic). All of the 3 vids were epic fails, no fire, of course they all blamed the gear for the lack of flames. In reality, their fire starting technique sucked, whereas your technique was good and you got the expected results. Good vid, thanks for posting it.
Well I dont know why everyone is picking on this kid, he's trying and learning, dont see any of the loud experts here posting videos with better ways as responses.
Love how trolls do what they. My Nephew and all his Boyscout Going friends know more about starting fires that all you nerdy, pimple ridden, chronic masterbating homos.
any person who knows what the hell they are doing. has more than 1 knife. and doesnt use the backside of a blade that doesnt lock. idiots.
So i went out and tried to start a fire today with my magnesium fire starter and dandelions. I failed, I just got back home and youtubed how to do it. Boy am i a dumb ass, I thought magnesium was the flint i had no idea you could scrape that shit off.... if i wasn't so tired id go back out for round 2...
@X0FinalK0 but for other blades it's a good idea to not use the blade, if you have a multi tool it's best to use a metal file or rasp to scrape off the magnesium
Oh man people. The knife does not have a locking mechanism. Perhaps it was the only knife he had besides kitchen? I personally do not like eating flint and enjoy my fingers. Lay off.
everyone here is telling him that he is holding the knife the wrong way... but its a flip knife... rubbing it the other way will cause the knife to snap shut
@Bmxvenom Go get your mag stick and try shaving it with back side of knife, when your freezing cold and this kid is sitting by a fire maybe he will give you some pointers. Nice video kid, keep it up.
@crombieposterboy bic lighter last about a full 2 minutes, you could use the magnesium to light a fire more than 200 times, its also waterproof, lighters aren't, and the magnesium doesn't have any gears that can break or fall off.
If you are using your only blade, confine the mag block shaving to the hilt end only. If you are making a survival fire you want the rest of that blade for knife uses. If you are using a multi tool other "blades" will shave the mag block without dulling cutting edges.
I am an old pappy who teaches my grandkids survival; I salute you making videos.
Wow. We have a woman teach us how to start a fire..... That woman is scary enough...... And then on top of it,she didn't keep the fire going..... So if I was injured in the woods and had to rely on her,I would be screwed. I'd be screwed in the first place to have a woman that knows survival skills. That's the type of woman that will chop your winkie off when your sleeping.
@breaker2395 if you new anything you would know magnesium is softer than led, almost like wittling wood, and you shouldn't have to worry about blunting your blade because thats what they're for, you can always sharpen it again if you know how to
@ihaterobbie123 ive had one of these and i thought the same thing but the magnesium is really hard and the back of a knife just tends to not have enough of an edge to shave off enough magnesium. you might be able to if you knife had a really thin blade but it would probbably take up way to much time.
For some questions magnesium is more durable and lasts longer, it is water proof, cheap, compact and also lighter, however it is hard to use these for smoking blunts with
i never get the point of these flint starters, and fire starter things. You carry it just incase ur get lost in the wild or what not. Why not just carry a lighter just incase?.. I mean it would make a lot more sense and be a lot more easier.
@Topazmoon the reason you should bring this instead of a lighter is because it lasts long, and waterproof, lighters have gas so it can get water inside in case if...
@7s42 alright, then how about a waterproof cellphone, or a waterproof lighter? I baught a waterproof and wind resistant lighter before, only costed me $25. Sure its more expensive then this, but its easier to use and much quicker.
when u start off its a straight edge on the magnesium, not rigid. So scrap with ur knife down, if u scrap with ur knife straight up like that, u will ruin ur blade a lot faster. Its okay if ur using a cheap knife, but I'd never use my $130 knife to scrap straight up and down like that.
@AlawiGMX don't einstein me, any experienced woodsman would know to reserve their blade for more important tasks. And why not resist the blade from going back to it's rest? Let me also just say that having a fixed or locking blade is not only safer, but is usually of a better build. So go einstein yourself bud
I got one from Harbor Freight for 2.99, comes with scraping tool- looks like part of a saw blade. Knew someone would have a video showing how to work it; nice job!
I wouldn't use the knife (front or back) my self, many pen knifes and multi tools have a file, if you got one I'd recommend using the thin edge of the file at a near 90 degree angle but ever so slightly leaning it in using the grooved edge for grinding the magnesium block and striking it to,
not only will you not blunt you knife that way but its slightly grooved so its got more grinding credentials than the back of a knife.
@me if you don't have a file I'd by a small cheap one from any store drill a hole in it and tie it to the Fire starter. no expert but it think its the best way my self.
in a survival situation, i think it's really important that you make your tools last. and a knife is so invaluable, why not use the back end of the blade to scrape the magnesium?
well for the shavings i have no idea how to do it better still have to figure it out... but as a striking tool don't use your sharp edge of the knive!!!! you dont want to use your sharpened edge!! better use the spine of your knive in an angle so an sharp edge is striking the ferro-rod on the back that way it wont affect your sharpened edge
another thing is to hold your striking tool and pull the rod backwards. you wont accidentally hit your scrapings and throw them all over the place
thats not true i got a block for chemistry class and i threw it in the fire and it burned
MrCheechmaster 5 days ago
good job kid
dirtrider169 1 week ago
can't be lit in block form? wow, it can be lit in "block form" but the way you normaly do it doesn't work.
EpicODSTfailvidmaker 2 weeks ago
And now you have fire ( fire dies out...) ok guys suscribe:D
PigSlayer779 1 month ago
@PigSlayer779 dying fire blocked from view with word balloon lmao
ChrisW12208 2 weeks ago
WAY too much magnesium; way too much work...5-6 scraps of mag "dust" on to a cotton ball/dryer lint, then strike the rod with the back of your knife and spark that ball into a flame...couple mins max...
you only need to make a pile like that IF you don't have tinder like a cotton ball and/or everything is wet...
WAY TOO MANY peeps here don't know how to use these LOL
winfieldracer 1 month ago
@winfieldracer don,t be cheap on the shaving man..... tell me if u know, how to collect shaving and light them under severe wind. thx. peace
pikepeak1 1 week ago
This was a good vid. Thanks man, don't listen to all these kooks.
elhunto1262 1 month ago 3
I love how the "dont forget to subscribe" notification popped up right over the fire right when it went out... nice job. :D
oO0WZMB0Oo 1 month ago
your vid is very good thought
fatfibs1 1 month ago
like my comment
fatfibs1 1 month ago
your only like 13 you should not have a blade (like if u agree)
fatfibs1 1 month ago
@fatfibs1 looks like alot of people agree, nice work
JarensASaint 2 weeks ago
why don't all of you just shut it.
this is a great, useful video.
learn from it.
gorgoriany 1 month ago
you dont really want it to be in a fine powder, you want it be in more of a strip type shaving
MrAwsom39 1 month ago
I watched 3 other vids on magnesium fire starters (2 Coleman 1 generic). All of the 3 vids were epic fails, no fire, of course they all blamed the gear for the lack of flames. In reality, their fire starting technique sucked, whereas your technique was good and you got the expected results. Good vid, thanks for posting it.
slomotrainwreck 1 month ago
Well I dont know why everyone is picking on this kid, he's trying and learning, dont see any of the loud experts here posting videos with better ways as responses.
BeepBeepBoing 1 month ago
magnesium will burn in block form lmao it just has to get alot hotter
BUCKrub91 2 months ago
You could use anything else besides that blade if you can't use the back of your knife.
sourshin 3 months ago
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your gona fuck your blade up dumbass, use a diff knife ya i no it would fold up but thats retarted to do
mike212916 4 months ago
@mike212916 i have no other knife, if you gave me one id be glad to remake the video just for you.
X0FinalK0 3 months ago 21
@X0FinalK0 yeeeeeeah!
wiking3r 2 months ago
@mike212916 dont speak to him like that or you'll see were ill ram that mag block
fatfibs1 1 month ago
@mike212916 stop typing like a drooling idiot kid.
BlazerLT 1 month ago
@mike212916 Classy.
GloucesterFisherman 2 weeks ago
The guy was like OMG you guys i made fire! Wee wee wee wee.
CiaoBello21 4 months ago
it's bad to be lost outside with nothing but a firestarter - not even puberty :(
Insektoid 5 months ago 2
nice cool ... nice vid
juliannevillecorrea 5 months ago
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what a stupid video!!!!!!!!!!!
Fisherman7225 5 months ago
wat a waste of time
tango4ish 6 months ago
Fire! Fire! Fire! Uh! I fucking hate the fucking wind! Now I have to shave more magnesium!
edvhou812 6 months ago
Lol you tried to put the annotation over the failed fire :l
BushcrafterPro 6 months ago
nice track pants!
Donut007700 6 months ago
perhaps instead of using the knife he should have used another not so important tool just a heads up
nick7461 7 months ago
@nick7461 the file?
nick7461 7 months ago
i want to cut your head of with a magnesium knife.
davidkrod 7 months ago
ur voice is really annoying
ANDYKilla1 8 months ago
yo u sound like ur 2, and it would of been better if u had a fire and keeped it going not just a little flame.
cylitalo3 8 months ago
Will it work with out the shavings??? im looking on getting one.
OMGitsDYLANJ 8 months ago
@OMGitsDYLANJ with some sort of tinder, you can just use the rod's sparks to get a flame.
ToddIngram1000 7 months ago
Love how trolls do what they. My Nephew and all his Boyscout Going friends know more about starting fires that all you nerdy, pimple ridden, chronic masterbating homos.
any person who knows what the hell they are doing. has more than 1 knife. and doesnt use the backside of a blade that doesnt lock. idiots.
doonie926 8 months ago
So i went out and tried to start a fire today with my magnesium fire starter and dandelions. I failed, I just got back home and youtubed how to do it. Boy am i a dumb ass, I thought magnesium was the flint i had no idea you could scrape that shit off.... if i wasn't so tired id go back out for round 2...
jake4569 8 months ago
@jake4569 but remember u should use dead things cause green wood or grass dosen't burn
masterdub95 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0,
from which company is your magnesium firestarter? (sorry for my english, I'm german^^)
MrJonnyJonn 8 months ago
Bought mine for $3.99 off of Amazon! I got that and a new Gerber knife coming in the mail! Can't wait!
MruneTube 8 months ago
guys your all wrong to scrap off the magnesium fast use a grinder,sander,or drill with sander tip thumbs up so people can see
coolRanger714 8 months ago
I got mine at harbor freight and it came with a saw tool to scrape the magnesium
Syrinx69 8 months ago
when u were lighting it were you on ur roof lol?
fireworkandsuch 8 months ago
REI doesn't sell the magnesium blocks for 3.50 anymore.
jtcash 8 months ago
got mine from harbor fright for 1.50- brand new
Ryanheet 9 months ago
peace ...keep on smokin
jmg1957 9 months ago
@Bmxvenom the blade has no locking feature so If i used the other side, the blade would collapse.
X0FinalK0 9 months ago 20
@X0FinalK0 but for other blades it's a good idea to not use the blade, if you have a multi tool it's best to use a metal file or rasp to scrape off the magnesium
drewnickel 9 months ago
@X0FinalK0 use a different knife
jonduhskaterr 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0 Get yourself a locking knife or use one of the other tools on your Leatherman.
cerbera147 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0 Not if you do it with the blade closed, give it a try.
wafartamo 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0 then use any other edge on the multitool,
RYDERkN 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0 this is true, but in a survival situation, you wouldnt want to use your only sharp tool, you can use any other part o that knife.
patmeserkhani 8 months ago
@X0FinalK0 Buy a real knife you will have a much easier time. :)
Fj4LiFe23 7 months ago
Is the Magnesium Lighter illegal?
MrSummerisHOT 9 months ago
@MrSummerisHOT no
ericsyutubeaccount 9 months ago
@MrSummerisHOT No.
LongBeachPits562 9 months ago
Oh man people. The knife does not have a locking mechanism. Perhaps it was the only knife he had besides kitchen? I personally do not like eating flint and enjoy my fingers. Lay off.
theotherfinch 9 months ago 2
@theotherfinch right i know i thought the same thing if he uses the back because its not locking heel cut himself
zingzangzap 9 months ago
oh man 2.99 - 3.50, I got it for 7.99 I feel so ripped off :)
theotherfinch 9 months ago
@theotherfinch you're not the only one
MinnesotaVikingz 9 months ago
Wrong side of the knife... noob!
DieKurbel 9 months ago
@Bmxvenom Unless of course the knife doesn't have a locking mechanism...
francarstens 10 months ago
@francarstens plumpkins aren't puppets but they'll cut ya fingers off
mark3777 9 months ago
This thik cunt called the flint the striker grow up and then play with fire
aaronjitsg 10 months ago
everyone here is telling him that he is holding the knife the wrong way... but its a flip knife... rubbing it the other way will cause the knife to snap shut
EddieandSophieViney 10 months ago 22
Ehh stupid little pyro boy. Like really wait until you hit puberty then make videos and play with fire
Markmello14 10 months ago
You've got fire! And a dull ass knife!
MAXYAHR1 10 months ago
You're holding the knife wrong while cutting it
yum499 10 months ago
no shit it has magnesium its called a magnesium fire starter
peenutshow 10 months ago
nice
123Gussy 10 months ago
I thought the flint was made out of magnesium?
edok0 11 months ago
Fuck I just bought the Magnesium not the flint D:/
dododnej 11 months ago
its in a block form, how interesting
thawdani 11 months ago
the thing you called a striker is not at all one it is in fact a flint. a striker i what you use to cause the sparks from the flint
Randomslayer55 11 months ago
im going to get one today :D
garrysmod102 11 months ago
@Bmxvenom Y
hp11208 11 months ago
@Bmxvenom thats a good tip, but should only be done with a locking blade knife
yennun 11 months ago
breaks my heart to see a knife ruined..
IITZzCOOK13 11 months ago
@IITZzCOOK13 I don't know why but i feel the same when a knife is beeing dulled down.. they are ment to be sharp. use the backside of it next time
MooseHunter911 11 months ago
HAHAHHAHAA ANOTATION OVER FIRE :)))) : ) xD
AlexandarProdaction 11 months ago
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AlexandarProdaction 11 months ago
@Bmxvenom Go get your mag stick and try shaving it with back side of knife, when your freezing cold and this kid is sitting by a fire maybe he will give you some pointers. Nice video kid, keep it up.
JusLookinRound804 1 year ago
dont scrape the corners cos now they are all fucked use the straight bit
bassbirdlvr44 1 year ago
This is the best video on youtube.
primoknoxville 1 year ago
@98TheBlack I use a lighter.
primoknoxville 1 year ago 3
ya that worked. it died. try haveing a bunch of tinder in a pile and scrape some magnesium on to the pile and light it.
JEBproductions29 1 year ago
it went out! dam wind!!!!! I shake my fist at the wind :(
KenshenSim 1 year ago
Nice
2KARGARAGE 1 year ago
@crombieposterboy bic lighter last about a full 2 minutes, you could use the magnesium to light a fire more than 200 times, its also waterproof, lighters aren't, and the magnesium doesn't have any gears that can break or fall off.
paintBALLhero510 1 year ago
Doesn't that make your knife REALLY dull?
jaesong 1 year ago
@jaesong I'm sure he has a backup knife.
primoknoxville 1 year ago
@crombieposterboy Lighters don't work when they've been wet too long. How's the magnesium gonna get spoiled??
RailoX 1 year ago
If you are using your only blade, confine the mag block shaving to the hilt end only. If you are making a survival fire you want the rest of that blade for knife uses. If you are using a multi tool other "blades" will shave the mag block without dulling cutting edges.
I am an old pappy who teaches my grandkids survival; I salute you making videos.
You go girl !!!
22Bull
28bull 1 year ago
i own one until some kid did damage to flint by sliding over a rough surface for sparking. now replacement stay in road survival kit.
akush55 1 year ago
watch thee wood burns while hes on it lol hahaha
Xguy890 1 year ago
Awesome.
duvexy 1 year ago
Wow. We have a woman teach us how to start a fire..... That woman is scary enough...... And then on top of it,she didn't keep the fire going..... So if I was injured in the woods and had to rely on her,I would be screwed. I'd be screwed in the first place to have a woman that knows survival skills. That's the type of woman that will chop your winkie off when your sleeping.
z28931 1 year ago
nice vid, very informative
comunisttanpon 1 year ago
why in the hell would u use ur blade to do that dumassssss
breaker2395 1 year ago
@breaker2395 why not? thats how everybody does it dumbasssssss
paintBALLhero510 1 year ago
@paintBALLhero510 i only said that because its dumb to dul ur blade i use other things
breaker2395 1 year ago
@breaker2395 if you new anything you would know magnesium is softer than led, almost like wittling wood, and you shouldn't have to worry about blunting your blade because thats what they're for, you can always sharpen it again if you know how to
paintBALLhero510 1 year ago
@breaker2395 that is why you use the back so you do not dull it
eggorey 11 months ago
@breaker2395 Your the dumbass that is how you are suppost to do it retard
tippmanna5lol1 1 year ago
good video--keep up the good work
rextex2009 1 year ago
fuck you weener kid who made this video go suck a neanderthal dick
Subllime48 1 year ago
theres a way to use a water filled condom its epic
BryanBTV 1 year ago
If you have a light my fire firesteel, you can you the striker to shave some filings so you dont have to use your blades.
20GATE91 1 year ago
is that magnesium block pure magnesium or only the sides are?
pocholox8 1 year ago
@pocholox8 its pure.
20GATE91 1 year ago
Hey man...Im liking the look of that knife/multitool...can you give me a name? thanks bro
LUKE01MAN 1 year ago
@LUKE01MAN pretty sure it's a leatherman juice. they're pretttttty awesome.
horsedrinksgasoline 1 year ago
Use the back of the knife, why make a knife blunt every time you want to start a fire?
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 ive had one of these and i thought the same thing but the magnesium is really hard and the back of a knife just tends to not have enough of an edge to shave off enough magnesium. you might be able to if you knife had a really thin blade but it would probbably take up way to much time.
fuckyoubitch5495 1 year ago
@fuckyoubitch5495 Well to be perfectly honest I don't use a knife to scrape my magnesium fire starter, I use my boot fastenings.
I used to use the serrations on my combo edge buck parralex, they became pretty warped but extensive steeling brought them straight again.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
where can I get one like this? please anybody, give link if u can
7s42 1 year ago
@7s42 They are all over the internet... go to harborfreight . com and search magnesium fire starter. Only $2.99
jrich52804 1 year ago
For some questions magnesium is more durable and lasts longer, it is water proof, cheap, compact and also lighter, however it is hard to use these for smoking blunts with
spongejong 1 year ago
i never get the point of these flint starters, and fire starter things. You carry it just incase ur get lost in the wild or what not. Why not just carry a lighter just incase?.. I mean it would make a lot more sense and be a lot more easier.
Topazmoon 1 year ago
@Topazmoon the reason you should bring this instead of a lighter is because it lasts long, and waterproof, lighters have gas so it can get water inside in case if...
7s42 1 year ago
@7s42 alright, then how about a waterproof cellphone, or a waterproof lighter? I baught a waterproof and wind resistant lighter before, only costed me $25. Sure its more expensive then this, but its easier to use and much quicker.
Topazmoon 1 year ago
when u start off its a straight edge on the magnesium, not rigid. So scrap with ur knife down, if u scrap with ur knife straight up like that, u will ruin ur blade a lot faster. Its okay if ur using a cheap knife, but I'd never use my $130 knife to scrap straight up and down like that.
Topazmoon 1 year ago
i like your sound
kajayer2 1 year ago
got mine for 5$ probably never gonna use it but ya never know.
lordmat666 1 year ago
and add some water
dukilaki 1 year ago
@dukilaki that would be funny
bamer2324 1 year ago
Oh yea, instead of tinder, carry some lint from your dryer in a litlte bag, caches right off and burns quickly, great for starting fires.
mako7828 1 year ago
$2.99 at Harbor Freight
dancingrizz 1 year ago 5
@dancingrizz That's where I bought a couple of them too!
GuitarMonkey91 10 months ago
@dancingrizz bought one from there today
didn't work :(
dominicmorlino 9 months ago
damn payed 8 bucks for the exact same one at dicks
tastesfunny1 1 year ago
badass
Jimmyheartsyouturkey 1 year ago
i have same thing mine was $7.50
onedumbone1 1 year ago
fail it went out
graeme127 1 year ago
Good job!
jimmyggh1 1 year ago
a lighter is easier lol
36whatsup 1 year ago
your video is slow and you ruined your knife
TexStevo88 1 year ago
@AlawiGMX don't einstein me, any experienced woodsman would know to reserve their blade for more important tasks. And why not resist the blade from going back to it's rest? Let me also just say that having a fixed or locking blade is not only safer, but is usually of a better build. So go einstein yourself bud
CappaDriver 1 year ago
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
codeythesilent 1 year ago
You sound like a douchbag...
JamDP1100 1 year ago
I got one from Harbor Freight for 2.99, comes with scraping tool- looks like part of a saw blade. Knew someone would have a video showing how to work it; nice job!
selyoc 1 year ago
Kids going to make a great arsonist when he grows up .
Lotum4n 1 year ago
I wouldn't use the knife (front or back) my self, many pen knifes and multi tools have a file, if you got one I'd recommend using the thin edge of the file at a near 90 degree angle but ever so slightly leaning it in using the grooved edge for grinding the magnesium block and striking it to,
not only will you not blunt you knife that way but its slightly grooved so its got more grinding credentials than the back of a knife.
nice vid,
an0m0nus 1 year ago
@me if you don't have a file I'd by a small cheap one from any store drill a hole in it and tie it to the Fire starter. no expert but it think its the best way my self.
an0m0nus 1 year ago
@AlawiGMX Unless you have one that locks in place.
capnpaco 1 year ago
I have one of those, but I cut a 4" piece off of a dull-ish hacksaw blade, and I use that to shave the block. Works a lot better than a knife.
72whitebug 1 year ago
what are kids up to these days... playing with fire..
shinigami656 1 year ago
It is not 3.50 at REI, it's more like 6 bucks
halfanounze 1 year ago
crap i got ripped off I got mine from china but I still like mine cause im part chinese but I payed 6.89
sparky9278 1 year ago
are you a girl or a boy
chrisdeli7158 1 year ago
in a survival situation, i think it's really important that you make your tools last. and a knife is so invaluable, why not use the back end of the blade to scrape the magnesium?
CappaDriver 1 year ago
ahhhhh that has got to kill your knife
tynet1 1 year ago
lol u just fucked up ur blade :P
TheLunarpker 1 year ago
Walmart has the Coleman version for like $5 and it comes with a drain chain and a piece of steel hacksaw blade that's about 3 inches. Works nicely!
ThetaGen 1 year ago
have fun blunting your knife
billychipchase123 1 year ago
well for the shavings i have no idea how to do it better still have to figure it out... but as a striking tool don't use your sharp edge of the knive!!!! you dont want to use your sharpened edge!! better use the spine of your knive in an angle so an sharp edge is striking the ferro-rod on the back that way it wont affect your sharpened edge
another thing is to hold your striking tool and pull the rod backwards. you wont accidentally hit your scrapings and throw them all over the place
MetalGear2k 1 year ago
lol u sufficated it with paper
PyroBeastCF 1 year ago
Claro y directo
muy buen trabajo !!!
principito89 1 year ago
Why don't you buy a real scout knife, and use that instead?
DirtyPoul 1 year ago
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DirtyPoul 1 year ago
sorry maybe a dumb question but will this process dull your knife significantly?
yuk726 1 year ago
Yeah, don't dull your knife like that. Use the back edge or something.
TheStig000 1 year ago
dont use the blade of your knife to strike the rod
theknifeguy651 1 year ago
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Its stupid to dull your knifeblade by scraping magnesium with it.
Especially if you have a multitool with a saw or file on it. omfg
Shuyaoo 1 year ago
Its stupid to dull your knifeblade by scraping magnesium with it.
Especially if you have a multitool with a saw or file on it. omfg
Shuyaoo 1 year ago
what kind of knife is that and how much did it cost
caleb5665 1 year ago
@caleb5665 lol the vid was about the fire starter not the knife
PyroBeastCF 1 year ago
@PyroBeastCF hello fucker get the stick out your dick and shut up i know
caleb5665 1 year ago
learn how to do it with sticks as well kids....
RAM4486 1 year ago