We do this kata almost exactly this way but it's called Tsuken Akacho No Nunti Bo (bo 5). We don't have (as far as I know) another nunti bo kata like yours.
@hempev Our nunti form looks almost move for move like this one. The rest of our bo forms are without the manji sai attached. Our Choun no kon is similar but there are differences. Not better or worse, just different.
this is amazing, because its not like those other lame videos you see on youtube with some wannabe thrashing and spinning a staff around thinking they're all that, this here is the real deal
Shihan speaks Japanese, occasionally words with Okinawan accent, but Japanese, not the local language (which I heard is dying out). Best to stick with something people still understand.
I have no idea - I only know what I have learned from Shihan, and as the founder of the International Okinawan Kobudo Association, he must have an educated reason for the name choice (60 years of experience in Japan and Okinawa, not diluted by translation through some other country).
please, find that out. i am very keen to know the reasons for the difference in naming of the kata. i am not doubting anything, i very much believ that okinawan karate n kobudo is the purest that there is. i want to get more educated about the way things work. thanks.
Tsuken no kon is a well-known kata in kobudo, and it is also known as chikin no kon, but no-one calls it shiki no kon - perhaps a spelling error in translation? Use Google and tsuken no kon gives plenty of hits - use shi ki no kon or shiki no kon and you get one or two, because a search engine will even search for misspelled entries.
That would explain why you can't find any entry in Google! I spoke with a man who spoke Okinawan-accented Japanese as a kid and no-one else knew what he was saying (he speaks regular Japanese now). Okinawan is a language that is dying out faster than Hawaiian!
This series is 15 years old and *not* by me - Shihan has approved my posting it, but these are all I have of his. You'd be at least sho dan before you got to the rest, so the next thing is to find a sensei not a video!
That is Japanese for teacher, literally translates to "one who came before", and what any student in martial arts needs to really learn anything (copying what you see on a video is nothing compared to individual instruction)
There is a great teacher - Shihan Jhonny Bernaschewice -he teaches Chi Ryu Aiki Ju Jitsu and Okinawa Kobudo (O.K.D.R). I know there is a growing group of his students in Italy, google it. Going once a month to a teacher is still better than not at all ;)
Perhaps a difference in the Romanji they use, tsuken in one system of spelling may be the same word as chikin in another (they have different spellings the same way Chinese has them for pinyin)
Exactly what I thought. Thanks for the clarification - Okinawan, Japanese, and Chinese have many words that sound similar and may or may not be the same definition.
Actually, when I hear Shihan pronounce it, I do hear the 'u' - usually you wouldn't after an 's', but this is a 'ts', which doesn't follow the same rules... of course, it's just what I am hearing, too! I do remember him complaining about how Americans mispronounce tsunami.
Does sound like T Skin to you? I usually heard chikin from Kise instead of Tsuken. Probably due to the way Master Soken spoke. Anyway, thanks for these video, they are somewhat different to Matsumura but I enjoy them and appreciate them. :)
You would expect each sensei to appear different in form, unless they claim to be from the same school. Shihan considers his school different from his own teacher, Kinjou Takashi Sensei, so it probably wouldn't look exactly the same as anyone else's!
A tiny "u" is close. But, the ear accustomed to it hears a small "u". The ear unaccustomed to it hears ts more than the "u." Okinawa is permeated with Japanese now. I am not sure how many people actually speak Hogen (Hoga + very small "n").
We do this kata almost exactly this way but it's called Tsuken Akacho No Nunti Bo (bo 5). We don't have (as far as I know) another nunti bo kata like yours.
joelquebec 4 months ago
@joelquebec Interesting - does it look like our nunti kata?
hempev 4 months ago
@hempev Our nunti form looks almost move for move like this one. The rest of our bo forms are without the manji sai attached. Our Choun no kon is similar but there are differences. Not better or worse, just different.
joelquebec 4 months ago
@hempev what is the name of this Master?
poopsnotfood 3 months ago
@poopsnotfood Shihan Nishiuchi
hempev 3 months ago
Respond to this video...
poopsnotfood 3 months ago
buenas maestro
77chevi 11 months ago
this is amazing, because its not like those other lame videos you see on youtube with some wannabe thrashing and spinning a staff around thinking they're all that, this here is the real deal
dynastyflygon 1 year ago 2
in Japnaese dialect is how you are pronouncing it? I'm referring to the Okinawan dialect, Hogen. :)
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
Shihan speaks Japanese, occasionally words with Okinawan accent, but Japanese, not the local language (which I heard is dying out). Best to stick with something people still understand.
hempev 2 years ago
i practice okinawa jinbukan kobudo, i know this kata as shi ki no kon. please explain what the difference is?
TheSirAndru 2 years ago
I have no idea - I only know what I have learned from Shihan, and as the founder of the International Okinawan Kobudo Association, he must have an educated reason for the name choice (60 years of experience in Japan and Okinawa, not diluted by translation through some other country).
hempev 2 years ago
please, find that out. i am very keen to know the reasons for the difference in naming of the kata. i am not doubting anything, i very much believ that okinawan karate n kobudo is the purest that there is. i want to get more educated about the way things work. thanks.
TheSirAndru 2 years ago
Tsuken no kon is a well-known kata in kobudo, and it is also known as chikin no kon, but no-one calls it shiki no kon - perhaps a spelling error in translation? Use Google and tsuken no kon gives plenty of hits - use shi ki no kon or shiki no kon and you get one or two, because a search engine will even search for misspelled entries.
hempev 2 years ago
Chikin is the Okinawan name in their native language Hogen dialect. Tsuken is Japanese :)
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
That would explain why you can't find any entry in Google! I spoke with a man who spoke Okinawan-accented Japanese as a kid and no-one else knew what he was saying (he speaks regular Japanese now). Okinawan is a language that is dying out faster than Hawaiian!
hempev 2 years ago
@hempev Hawaiian is far from dying out. Google "punana leo" and see what you find.
joelquebec 4 months ago
@joelquebec "faster than" is relative...
hempev 4 months ago
I think I've done this form before. It was almost 4 years ago when I last practiced any proper form.
Hikawa07 2 years ago
I've never seen this kata in class because it is taught at more advanced levels.
hempev 2 years ago
thank you for uploading this vid. Until now, this is my most favorite bo kata x3
and thanks to you I can finally practise :D
AngelusToni 2 years ago
Your videos are great!! is there also a 5th bo kata?
FcGrreat 4 years ago
There are actually 7 kata, but the video series only covers 4.
hempev 4 years ago
Why don't you do the other 3? ;-) they are so interesting!
FcGrreat 4 years ago
This series is 15 years old and *not* by me - Shihan has approved my posting it, but these are all I have of his. You'd be at least sho dan before you got to the rest, so the next thing is to find a sensei not a video!
hempev 4 years ago
what is a sensei?
FcGrreat 4 years ago
That is Japanese for teacher, literally translates to "one who came before", and what any student in martial arts needs to really learn anything (copying what you see on a video is nothing compared to individual instruction)
hempev 4 years ago
I know, but unlucky here in Como (a small town in the north of italy) ther's nobody who could teach me something, lol 8/
FcGrreat 4 years ago
Well, then I hope you can learn something useful from Shihan's videos!
hempev 4 years ago
There is a great teacher - Shihan Jhonny Bernaschewice -he teaches Chi Ryu Aiki Ju Jitsu and Okinawa Kobudo (O.K.D.R). I know there is a growing group of his students in Italy, google it. Going once a month to a teacher is still better than not at all ;)
Best Regards for all fellow Kobudo-ka :)
piotreksan 3 years ago
woah, thank u!!
FcGrreat 3 years ago
um ok i just wanted to ask kuz i also seen people say chikin no kon and its the same kata
deeperkyo123 4 years ago
Perhaps a difference in the Romanji they use, tsuken in one system of spelling may be the same word as chikin in another (they have different spellings the same way Chinese has them for pinyin)
hempev 4 years ago
Chiken is an island off of Okinawa. The same island is called Tsuken by the Japanese.
IEKUKATAKA 3 years ago
Exactly what I thought. Thanks for the clarification - Okinawan, Japanese, and Chinese have many words that sound similar and may or may not be the same definition.
hempev 3 years ago
Correct and Tsuken is pronounced t 'skin :)
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
Actually, when I hear Shihan pronounce it, I do hear the 'u' - usually you wouldn't after an 's', but this is a 'ts', which doesn't follow the same rules... of course, it's just what I am hearing, too! I do remember him complaining about how Americans mispronounce tsunami.
hempev 2 years ago
Does sound like T Skin to you? I usually heard chikin from Kise instead of Tsuken. Probably due to the way Master Soken spoke. Anyway, thanks for these video, they are somewhat different to Matsumura but I enjoy them and appreciate them. :)
OkinawaShorinryu 2 years ago
No, it really sounded like tsu-ken to me.
You would expect each sensei to appear different in form, unless they claim to be from the same school. Shihan considers his school different from his own teacher, Kinjou Takashi Sensei, so it probably wouldn't look exactly the same as anyone else's!
hempev 2 years ago
Nope, not! Try tsuken with a very short u. Saying "ts kin" is a lot closer than t 'skin. Wakatimasuka bakatadiga?
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
So, a tiny 'u' sound - like the 'u' in fuyu or futomaki?
hempev 2 years ago
A tiny "u" is close. But, the ear accustomed to it hears a small "u". The ear unaccustomed to it hears ts more than the "u." Okinawa is permeated with Japanese now. I am not sure how many people actually speak Hogen (Hoga + very small "n").
IEKUKATAKA 2 years ago
@IEKUKATAKA thanks
OkinawaShorinryu 1 year ago
:( This is the nest kata I hv to practiced in my Kobudo style as I think :(..
aiko4321 4 years ago
does anybody know if they changed the name from chikin no kun to tsuken no kun
deeperkyo12345 4 years ago
I don't think so - the name derives from the island (Tsuken) where it was developed.
hempev 4 years ago
Very cool moves!
TKothe1 4 years ago