Richard Wagner war damit nicht zufrieden und änderte vieles. Ich liebe mehr die letzte Fassung aus 1860 (nicht nur Erlösung in der "story" aber auch in der Musik (mit plagaler Schluss: IV - I)
Auch de Tannhäuser macht man jetzt in Bayreuth in der Urfassung (also Dresdner Urfassung). Der lezte Fassung aus 1870 (Wien) ist zum ersten Mal wieder aufgeführt in 2008 in Amsterdam unter der Leitung von Hartmut Haenchen. Bravo Maestro!
First of all I do not like the work of Wagner very much. But more than that this re-staging his opera's to make ist look fresh or whatever does not do a good job. These are people on a boat for god's sake. It's not a grand gala at a palace.
Completely against what Wagner wrote! Senta sacrifices herself to save him and.... she just dies, and he remains cursed and alone! No hope, no salvation through love! Stupid new Baureuth trash!!!
"She leaps into the sea; at once the Dutch ship sinks with all her crew. The sea heaves and falls in a whirlpool. In the glow of the rising sun, the transfigured forms of the Dutchman and Senta, clasped in each other's arms, are seen rising over the wreck and soaring into the sky."
@Dinarrra84 I think you're dumbing things down. To me, there's more negative capability than that. Senta's dream might be the gateway to a parallel universe or just be a figment of her imagination. At the end, we don't know whether she killed herself for nothing or not. The only thing we can be sure of is her ecstasy in dying for something infinitely beautiful and greater than herself. Might not be what Kupfer intended, but who cares? Art can yield more meaning than the artist intends.
At first: Wagner himself said: "Kinder, macht Neues" - meaning: "Children, make something new". He himself said after the Ring in 1876: "If I get the chance again, I´ll do everything in different ways." Stop arguing about how close the interpretation is to the original score of staging. Every time has to deal with opera and theatre in its own way. Otherwise you´ll just get a museum.
But then you get those eurotrash productions like the Barber of Seville were everyone kills each other. I just didn't like it. The end looked like it switched sets with Peter Grimes. You can't change a classic piece of art without ruining it. I think stage directors have taken modernization a bit too far.
There is as much AmericoTrash as there is EuroTrash. Some AmericoTrash is good, some isnt. Samething for the Eurotrash. Kupfer is way to passe to be trendy Eurotrash. If you call him Eurotrash, might as well call Wagner that too :) But watching this has made me remember how awesome (excuse the Americotrash expression) this production was in Bayreuth. It was so exciting both musically and visually - no wonder it was such a hit with the audience. Eurotrash or not, it was great opera!
stop at 0:02 xDDD
westringlebt 11 months ago
isn't it horrible how there's virtually nothing with lisbeth balslev?
nohaylamujer 1 year ago
Simob at his very best and Lisbeth simply wonderful
georgerannie 1 year ago
My very favorite Dutchman--Simon and Lisbeth are simply wonderful!!
georgerannie 1 year ago
Merkwürdig diese Urfassung in BAYREUTH !
Richard Wagner war damit nicht zufrieden und änderte vieles. Ich liebe mehr die letzte Fassung aus 1860 (nicht nur Erlösung in der "story" aber auch in der Musik (mit plagaler Schluss: IV - I)
Auch de Tannhäuser macht man jetzt in Bayreuth in der Urfassung (also Dresdner Urfassung). Der lezte Fassung aus 1870 (Wien) ist zum ersten Mal wieder aufgeführt in 2008 in Amsterdam unter der Leitung von Hartmut Haenchen. Bravo Maestro!
3tristan 2 years ago
huhu henne
MrBatista08 2 years ago
absolutamente magnifico
raticida123456 2 years ago
lgog aber immer doch
TheElvin123 2 years ago
okok ich verzeihe dir
TheElvin123 2 years ago
was labast du denn henrik
hahaha
TheElvin123 2 years ago
das war marco
TheElvin123 2 years ago
die hämnde sind doch dumm
meine sind besser xD
TheElvin123 2 years ago
a voir "richardmarseille" beaucoup d'opera
merci her Casanova
met ta photo sur ton site your picture please
Michelcamby 2 years ago
olandese volante sara l opera ke aprira la stagione 2009 qui a lecce al politeama...nel ruolo di senta ci sara susan neves!!!!!
emilytransex 3 years ago
First of all I do not like the work of Wagner very much. But more than that this re-staging his opera's to make ist look fresh or whatever does not do a good job. These are people on a boat for god's sake. It's not a grand gala at a palace.
drawdem 3 years ago
i live in germany since im 5 years old but i dont understand a word he says.
ndes0532 3 years ago
Ich auch nich :)
Skukkuk 3 years ago
bellissimo questo finale..davvero impressionante...x non parlare delle voci bravissimi tutti senta in particolare bella voce di lirico spinto
emilytransex 3 years ago
Does anyone, upload "Wie aus der ferne..."
please!
kupfer's stage directions are good.
senta78 3 years ago 3
No redemption for you at Bayreuth.
jonsaintgermain 4 years ago 2
See also the one with Nina Stemme. :DDD
Simon Estes is so hot...
canafinwe 4 years ago
Yes he is. What a body and a voice
Ebonysoprano 3 years ago
Completely against what Wagner wrote! Senta sacrifices herself to save him and.... she just dies, and he remains cursed and alone! No hope, no salvation through love! Stupid new Baureuth trash!!!
DemisLian 4 years ago 2
According to the original stage directions,
translated into English,
"She leaps into the sea; at once the Dutch ship sinks with all her crew. The sea heaves and falls in a whirlpool. In the glow of the rising sun, the transfigured forms of the Dutchman and Senta, clasped in each other's arms, are seen rising over the wreck and soaring into the sky."
So yes, they really do gain salvation.
kidduffah 4 years ago
Of course they gain salvation, that's what Wagner wrote. But where is all that in THIS staging from Wagner's own theatre?
DemisLian 4 years ago
Oh! I see what you mean... yes, it's never shown in this version is it? Ugh.
kidduffah 4 years ago
That's the point! Senta is imagining eveything in this version and killing herself for nothing but her way out of the narrowness of her society.
Dinarrra84 2 years ago 6
@Dinarrra84 I think you're dumbing things down. To me, there's more negative capability than that. Senta's dream might be the gateway to a parallel universe or just be a figment of her imagination. At the end, we don't know whether she killed herself for nothing or not. The only thing we can be sure of is her ecstasy in dying for something infinitely beautiful and greater than herself. Might not be what Kupfer intended, but who cares? Art can yield more meaning than the artist intends.
NazTb0y 1 year ago
At first: Wagner himself said: "Kinder, macht Neues" - meaning: "Children, make something new". He himself said after the Ring in 1876: "If I get the chance again, I´ll do everything in different ways." Stop arguing about how close the interpretation is to the original score of staging. Every time has to deal with opera and theatre in its own way. Otherwise you´ll just get a museum.
WagnerNietzsche 3 years ago 16
But then you get those eurotrash productions like the Barber of Seville were everyone kills each other. I just didn't like it. The end looked like it switched sets with Peter Grimes. You can't change a classic piece of art without ruining it. I think stage directors have taken modernization a bit too far.
sirmercutio99 2 years ago
There is as much AmericoTrash as there is EuroTrash. Some AmericoTrash is good, some isnt. Samething for the Eurotrash. Kupfer is way to passe to be trendy Eurotrash. If you call him Eurotrash, might as well call Wagner that too :) But watching this has made me remember how awesome (excuse the Americotrash expression) this production was in Bayreuth. It was so exciting both musically and visually - no wonder it was such a hit with the audience. Eurotrash or not, it was great opera!
iskenderuna 2 years ago