Obama stem cell order 'a sad victory of politics over science and ethics

[geewhiz747]

No master's degree is needed. Just basic biology.

[KemaTheAtheist]

@geewhiz747

"No master's degree is needed. Just basic biology."

True, but you do need a HIGH SCHOOL understanding, which apparently you don't have because you failed to mention homeostasis as a requirement of life and that fetus's can't maintain it on their own before ~32 weeks. I'd stipulate life w/ medical assistance, but right now, the absolute earliest is ~21 weeks. Any fetus before ~21 weeks is definitely not alive, and between 21-32 weeks is a gray area at best.

[geewhiz747]

All life comes from life. Life cannot originate from something that is not living. Each living thing reproduces its own kind and only its own kind. In other words, human parents can only produce human offspring.

[geewhiz747]

Living things react to changes around them. We react to touch, light, heat, cold and sound, as do other living things... The unborn does this...

[geewhiz747]

All living organisms show movement of one kind or another. All living organisms have internal movement... an embryo does.

[geewhiz747]

All living organisms need to take substances from their environment to obtain energy, to grow and to stay healthy.  An embryo does that...

[Neosaigo]

People kill all the time. Just by living you kill eggs, sperms, micro organisms, ants, etc etc

The only way to be really pro-life is when you are dead.

[tjinga2u1]

Theres no scene i arguing over the definition of life religious people will always say there living no matter what you say to them /=

[davethewave1223221]

thank you for helping me write a very successful college paper about why you are wrong. my professor was very please with how easily I refuted your position against stem cell research.

[oddjob29]

bah! morons

[ThePlayking57]

well, getting embryonic stem cells from a fetus... that might not be ok with people, but from the ball of 150 cells BEFORE it becomes a fetus... why not?

[cary123]

its a F E T U S, IT HAS NO FUCKING FEELINGS!

[vinigure22]

@cary123 The definition of life is "having existence, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally." saying an embryo lacks life is funny. An example is, just because a child before puberty is not YET able to reproduce does not mean it is not alive. A child has the potential to reproduce in the future and an embryo grows and has as many characteristics of a living thing as a child.

[cary123]

@vinigure22 I didnt say life, I said emotions, feelings, you know concessness.

Your sperm is living, stop masterbating, and stop having wet dreams.

Eggs are living, fuck your gf/wife every month without protection.

[vinigure22]

@cary123 XD Sperm and eggs don’t have potential to eat therefore they lack parts of the definition of life. Conception is when the sperm meets the egg. If there is only an egg or only a sperm it is not living until they meet and begin to grow.

[cary123]

@vinigure22 Well like I said before, a Fetus does not obtain feelings/concessness untill the final stage.

[5thOrbit]

So you are okay with freezer torture?

[KemaTheAtheist]

What a load of scientifically-ignorant bullshit.

Go study.

[vinigure22]

@KemaTheAtheist • The definition of life is "having existence, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally." saying an embryo lacks life is funny. An example is, just because a child before puberty is not YET able to reproduce does not mean it is not alive. A child has the potential to reproduce in the future and an embryo grows and has as many characteristics of a living thing as a child.

[KemaTheAtheist]

@vinigure22

First, that's not the scientific definition of life. One of the other requirements for life is the ability to maintain homeostasis. If the fetus couldn't survive on it's own outside of the womb, it can not maintain homeostasis.

Second, when you talk about "the ability to reproduce," that is something that's looked at the population level, not the individual. If a population can't reproduce, it can't be living.

[vinigure22]

@KemaTheAtheist A embryo is not a population. It is the starting point of a human being. Like a child a embryo can't reproduce until it grows. A child can not reproduce until it gets to a higher stage of life. A embryo is a stage of life just as a baby is who also CAN NOT live on it's own. If you dont help a baby and feed it and take care of it it dies.

[KemaTheAtheist]

@vinigure22

*sigh* I'm sorry you don't understand the scientific definition of life. I really am, but I really don't have the time to explain it all to you. Take a high school biology class or something.

[vinigure22]

@KemaTheAtheist I have taken two high school biology classes. And I passed both well.

[KemaTheAtheist]

@vinigure22

You must've had some really poor biology teachers then.

[vinigure22]

@KemaTheAtheist I still hold a few good points and they were very good teachers.

[KemaTheAtheist]

@vinigure22

If they were good, you would know that a fetus that can't survive outside of the womb by definition cannot maintain homeostasis. If something can't maintain homeostasis, it is not living.

Being that you don't understand this, it is a clear sign you're falling prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect. i.e. You know so little, that your ability to self-assess your ability is horrible.

I'm 5 weeks from a Master's in Bioinformatics from JHU. Who do you think understand this more?

[geewhiz747]

@KemaTheAtheist Well then JHU is doing something wrong!!!

[eksdem]

Ever wonder why pig embryos aren't good enough for those scientists who insist on destroying human embryos?

Because, those scientists KNOW there is something special or unique about human embryos.

The unique quality could be summed up as HUMANITY.

What an irony!

Human embryos are so uniquely human that they are in high demand among scientists,

Those same scientists say human embryos are not human enough; therefore, they can be destroyed.

[Hereticbooks]

Idiot!  Get educated before spouting off.