Having said that, I wouldn't like to confront a MMA practitioner in a real life because taking it to that level, we would have to defence ourselves using techniques which we train and practice: broken joins, groin kicks, thumbs in eyes, strikes in the throat, slaps on eardrums, etc What's the point then?
I love true martial arts that focus on "do" as much as is focus on "jutsu". We can't train only on spirituality. Training has to be realistic.
Guys, don't be angry at MMA. It is only a fighting modality, not a martial art per se. It picks techniques from various different martial arts such as karate, ju jutsu, judo, BJJ, western boxing, wrestling, etc. which is then applied in an "almost everything goes" modality. Yes, practitioners are tough because they are used to a very aggressive and hard fighting level, but their techniques are often clumsy.
I'm a Goju-Ryu karateka and aikido practioner. I'm in love with karate and...
BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
ke7ggz - I started karate in 1970 too and it's all too easy to convince oneself that 'the older I get the better I was'. Maybe fighting spirit better then but some of todays karateka are 100 times better technically. But I agree it needs to move away from sport back to Budo.
I trained in the 70's and this was the way fighting was done~! Mouth guard and cup..My first fight, I had my groin stuffed into me hard and had to be revived~! I had broken nose's, broken fingers, bruised ribs, broken toes.. We toughened our shins, forearms, fists and feet~! We practiced our break falls on cement floors, wood floors and outdoors. We fought to the take down and tap out as if in Combat fighting for our lives. Rank all the way to Black Belt was given only after fighting~!
In a real fight to defending his life, who has the winner's advantage: A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). In your opinion who's the one that would survive?
To all people hating on Karate, please post a vid of yourself sparring against a Karateka. A real Karateka from a respectable dojo. If you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk, you're nothing more than a loudmouthed kid with an attitudeproblem and selfesteem issues.
A common phenomenon from MMA-practitioners. "All other styles suck, because MMA is supertough". Please, ignorant fools.......
@Ruben1994OL I agree, MMA fighters train hard but all my teachers hate MMA because the sport is loaded with meatheads. Karate is about humility and peaceful resolution. Fighting should always be a last resort. MMA is about being as badass as possible, which to us usually means being as childish as possible.
Great footage,and great demonstration of relaxation.They are not like toddlers as mentioned below.This is how sparring should be done and not like a stiff cardboard trying to knock one another heads off.No body learns.Kancho Kanazawa promotes relaxation in dojo sparriing as well.
These guys were good for their time, but would not fare well against many of today's better traditional competitors simply due to newer training methods.
i still like the old mma videos. shows what happens when u put pple who have never fought a real fight in their life against each other.They end up slapping each other like little girls.the boxers got their asses beat.Tae kwon do guys got fucked up when taken to the ground.Also, a sumo lost his eye. Not saying that tae kwon do sux btw just saying that there is a lot of bull shit teachers out there who do not teach their students what to do in certain situations like chosen ninja lol.
@shotokankjs you got me wrong. I'm not one of the full contact fanboys. I don't like MMA, and I don't like people who trash karate because there is no blood and guts over floor in it. this is not full contact, today karate is not full contact. just because today karate is more dynamic, that doesn't mean that is less efective. I would say the opposite. read one of Kagawa interviews about so called traditional and today karate, and you will see there is no difference.
You just gave every reason why Karate is a waste of time when it comes to learning your bodies full potential to defend itself and defeat your opponents. I feel sorry for anyone who spent their entire fucking life on karate and not learning any other techniques. That's like learning how to ride a unicycle and never being taught how to ride a bike.
@strikerk : I doubt from what you just said that you have any experience in real karate. I can assure you that I know many colleagues in karate who have done well when attacked on the street. The street is the place where what you have learned will prove your worth. It is a matter of how you train in karate, not in karate itself.
If you train for the unknown, you will be better prepared than if you only practice sport karate sparring.
@strikerk who spent an entire life learning just karate? I am preatty sure all grand masters of karate have knowledge on different martial arts. I will just mention Kanazawa who adopted naturaly kempo techniques and is a master in thai chi. On another hand, I don't belive an entire life is enough to master to perfection a martial art.
The fight is about maai (distancing) and timing sometimes different aspects of kumite comes out in different fights ... combinations,single techniques,throws etc etc.
he taught you to jump in ... WHAT???? explain it pleeeeease???? What is that SHIRAI he used to teach you to jump in???? I've been in Shotokan karate since 1978, and I do not understand what you're trying to say.
Maybe with the growing intrest in MMA Karate and Taekwondo will move away from sports styles and back to their traditional methods. I hope so because I'm fed up of those pretentious bastards giving us lip!
i think they will have to in order to survive eventually. i know the ITF ( taekwondo assosiation) have been promoting more full contact fights in korea and mixed stand up style tornements. there are also many newer forms of full contact karate around. the problem is tappy tappy gental sparring is attractive to the masses who just want a black belt to pretend that there martial artists. it annoys me that when we spar in my dojang many of the black belts dont bother and show very little skill.
@bushidoartss err, Machida; GSP; LIddell. Tiresome and ignorant comment. What MMA proves is that you need a range. Karate perfectly good for your striking range; useful to supplement with sprawl and brawl if you're less comfortable on the floor, but best to get some grappling and ground work in too.
@blagamoush10 karate good for striking?did you ever had a fight or hard spariring?if you use karate in mma it is the way get fucked up in 5 secodns..just look that funny stance...face open..karate for kids dude
@bushidoartss err, the guys above all use karate sparring. You're one of these muppets who can't see beyond what you've been taught. And the stance, with hips wide, is much less vulnerable to shoots and take-downs than Muay Thai: just look at Machida - hardly ever taken down. You're one of these guys suddenly confronted by evidence that makes you uncomfortable, and feeling the chill wind of obselescence of what you think you know, you lash out but just expose your ignorance. Now fuck off.
@blagamoush10 MACHIDA MACHIDA MACHIDA MILIONS MILIONS PRACTISING KARATE ONLY MACHIDA COULD FIGHT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT USE KARATE DAOES KARATE HAS BOXING TECHNOQUE?NOT MACHIDA CAN BE KARATE SHIT BUT IN THE CASE HE USE MUAY THAI AND BOXING..KARATE IS BULSHIT END OF HYSTORY
@bushidoartss Machida uses Karate. For anyone who has trained to a high-level it's very obvious. Denying it because it makes you uncomfortable is not an argument. All the techniques he uses can be found in karate, which you'd know if you didn't spend all your time looking for your CAPS LOCK.
@blagamoush10 wide, is much less vulnerable to shoots and take-downs ?????I MA LAUGHING HAHAHAHA DO YOU HAVE IDEA WHAT IS LOW KICK?AND HOW IT IS PAINFUL?HOW YOU GOING TO CHECK THAT LOW KCIKS FORM THAT STANCE?EI KID GO FUCKYOURSELF I CAN FIGHT WITH KARATE FIGHTER ONE LEG.FUNAKOSHI YAMAGUCHI KANZAWA ALL LOOSERS DANCER
@bushidoartss You've been boasting here about how well you can fight. Ok, I call you on it. Post some footage of yourself on Youtube so the whole world can judge whether you're any good for themselves.
@micirv20 I do not understand your anger. Nakayama was the first to really institute tournaments and sport into karate. Before that, any "match" was full contact no holds barred. There were no competitions. Only grudge matches, really. Judo had tournaments. Funakoshi was by and large against tournaments as he saw them as "sport karate."
@magomedleloup andy hug was doing kyokushin full contact training not traditional..and also after few time when mike bernardo beat andy andy moved to thailand 6 month was training muay thai..then came back and beat mike bernardo..do not talk about bulshit if you fucjking keyboard wariror..
@magomedleloup hey u chineese 1.5m 45 kg warrior do u threat me a keybord warrior?? I was defending andy hug by the way and you think i am a keybord warrior? i would beat ure ass easily
... our kumite style (seiwakai) is pretty rough.
Having said that, I wouldn't like to confront a MMA practitioner in a real life because taking it to that level, we would have to defence ourselves using techniques which we train and practice: broken joins, groin kicks, thumbs in eyes, strikes in the throat, slaps on eardrums, etc What's the point then?
I love true martial arts that focus on "do" as much as is focus on "jutsu". We can't train only on spirituality. Training has to be realistic.
nandino77 3 weeks ago
Guys, don't be angry at MMA. It is only a fighting modality, not a martial art per se. It picks techniques from various different martial arts such as karate, ju jutsu, judo, BJJ, western boxing, wrestling, etc. which is then applied in an "almost everything goes" modality. Yes, practitioners are tough because they are used to a very aggressive and hard fighting level, but their techniques are often clumsy.
I'm a Goju-Ryu karateka and aikido practioner. I'm in love with karate and...
nandino77 3 weeks ago
I wish karate was like this today. Lucky for me many of my teachers feel the same way.
Ballowall 3 weeks ago
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
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ke7ggz - I started karate in 1970 too and it's all too easy to convince oneself that 'the older I get the better I was'. Maybe fighting spirit better then but some of todays karateka are 100 times better technically. But I agree it needs to move away from sport back to Budo.
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
I trained in the 70's and this was the way fighting was done~! Mouth guard and cup..My first fight, I had my groin stuffed into me hard and had to be revived~! I had broken nose's, broken fingers, bruised ribs, broken toes.. We toughened our shins, forearms, fists and feet~! We practiced our break falls on cement floors, wood floors and outdoors. We fought to the take down and tap out as if in Combat fighting for our lives. Rank all the way to Black Belt was given only after fighting~!
ke7ggz 4 months ago
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(Quiz): I always would like to know this answer:
In a real fight to defending his life, who has the winner's advantage: A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). In your opinion who's the one that would survive?
TheWolfjr 4 months ago in playlist Karate World. (19 Styles)
To all people hating on Karate, please post a vid of yourself sparring against a Karateka. A real Karateka from a respectable dojo. If you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk, you're nothing more than a loudmouthed kid with an attitudeproblem and selfesteem issues.
A common phenomenon from MMA-practitioners. "All other styles suck, because MMA is supertough". Please, ignorant fools.......
Ruben1994OL 5 months ago
@Ruben1994OL Spoke my mind. Domo.
tenchimouse 2 months ago
@Ruben1994OL I agree, MMA fighters train hard but all my teachers hate MMA because the sport is loaded with meatheads. Karate is about humility and peaceful resolution. Fighting should always be a last resort. MMA is about being as badass as possible, which to us usually means being as childish as possible.
Ballowall 3 weeks ago
Great footage,and great demonstration of relaxation.They are not like toddlers as mentioned below.This is how sparring should be done and not like a stiff cardboard trying to knock one another heads off.No body learns.Kancho Kanazawa promotes relaxation in dojo sparriing as well.
SKIFTIGER 5 months ago
ya van a salir con sus mamadas de ufc
aladonocturno 7 months ago
Good film I love there techniques and footwork excellent.
RossTaylor09 8 months ago
This looks like a couple little toddlers fighting on the playground. Horrible!
bastiglione 10 months ago
Two ufc champs have their roots in traditional karate: George st-pierre and Lyato Machida.
MikeLevike 10 months ago 2
@MikeLevike MACHIDA IS NOT KARATEKA..HE DOES NOT USE KARATE IN THAT FUCKING CASE
bushidoartss 10 months ago
@bushidoartss yes he does. He wins most of his fights with a reverse punch from forward stance, or a front snap kick. calm yourself, grasshopper.
ndileonardo 7 months ago
These guys were good for their time, but would not fare well against many of today's better traditional competitors simply due to newer training methods.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
i still like the old mma videos. shows what happens when u put pple who have never fought a real fight in their life against each other.They end up slapping each other like little girls.the boxers got their asses beat.Tae kwon do guys got fucked up when taken to the ground.Also, a sumo lost his eye. Not saying that tae kwon do sux btw just saying that there is a lot of bull shit teachers out there who do not teach their students what to do in certain situations like chosen ninja lol.
crypticcycle 1 year ago
it looks like kids fighting.jackie chan can do better
231johnjohnson 1 year ago
this looks like the real good shit!
none of that sports shit that they call "karate"
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 what are you talking about? this is not full contact neither.
touretul 1 year ago
@touretul
its true, still cool compaired to todays point karate though IMO
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@touretul if this was full contact both the participants would be dead.
Your talkin about 2 dedicated karateka whos punches if they hit would actually kill someone.
you wouldnt last a few seconds if you faced them.
shotokankjs 1 year ago
@shotokankjs you got me wrong. I'm not one of the full contact fanboys. I don't like MMA, and I don't like people who trash karate because there is no blood and guts over floor in it. this is not full contact, today karate is not full contact. just because today karate is more dynamic, that doesn't mean that is less efective. I would say the opposite. read one of Kagawa interviews about so called traditional and today karate, and you will see there is no difference.
touretul 1 year ago
@touretul
You just gave every reason why Karate is a waste of time when it comes to learning your bodies full potential to defend itself and defeat your opponents. I feel sorry for anyone who spent their entire fucking life on karate and not learning any other techniques. That's like learning how to ride a unicycle and never being taught how to ride a bike.
strikerk 1 year ago
@strikerk : I doubt from what you just said that you have any experience in real karate. I can assure you that I know many colleagues in karate who have done well when attacked on the street. The street is the place where what you have learned will prove your worth. It is a matter of how you train in karate, not in karate itself.
If you train for the unknown, you will be better prepared than if you only practice sport karate sparring.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@strikerk who spent an entire life learning just karate? I am preatty sure all grand masters of karate have knowledge on different martial arts. I will just mention Kanazawa who adopted naturaly kempo techniques and is a master in thai chi. On another hand, I don't belive an entire life is enough to master to perfection a martial art.
touretul 1 year ago
@touretul life is an art
232323C 1 year ago
The fight is about maai (distancing) and timing sometimes different aspects of kumite comes out in different fights ... combinations,single techniques,throws etc etc.
Thats how it is.
pokeypoker 1 year ago
nice use of techiniques
smokinthepot 2 years ago
that fight is shit!
pontisexmaximus 2 years ago
there is no power in what they do. they are just jumping around like rabbits!
CT2507 2 years ago
they used to jump! my sensei teached me to not jump in shirai!
Rnt911 2 years ago
Yamaguchi Toru sensei is famous for his jumping techniks and combination - not many other great masters are doing it as much as he does :)
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
he taught you to jump in ... WHAT???? explain it pleeeeease???? What is that SHIRAI he used to teach you to jump in???? I've been in Shotokan karate since 1978, and I do not understand what you're trying to say.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
OSS !
MasOyama10dan 2 years ago
brilliant video! unlike pussy sport fights these days!
musardus 2 years ago 5
I agree with you fully musardus!
//mmacritic
mmacritics 2 years ago
It is wonderful!
Dzabroadd 3 years ago
Is this the same Toru Yamaguchi whos walking to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska?
daveandmo1 3 years ago
AWESOME, was this in real speed?! I've never seen anyone that fast. It doesn't seem like anyone cares to train the way people used to.
IIsCoolerest 3 years ago 2
what, where these like kyokushin rules or something simular?
jmikejapan 3 years ago
These were the best years to have been a karateka. Now its mostly sport bullshit
christianbrecht 3 years ago 25
Maybe with the growing intrest in MMA Karate and Taekwondo will move away from sports styles and back to their traditional methods. I hope so because I'm fed up of those pretentious bastards giving us lip!
micirv20 2 years ago 16
full agreement on my part.
roundhouseJIZZ 2 years ago
i think they will have to in order to survive eventually. i know the ITF ( taekwondo assosiation) have been promoting more full contact fights in korea and mixed stand up style tornements. there are also many newer forms of full contact karate around. the problem is tappy tappy gental sparring is attractive to the masses who just want a black belt to pretend that there martial artists. it annoys me that when we spar in my dojang many of the black belts dont bother and show very little skill.
tyebo87 2 years ago
@micirv20 karate and taekwondo never will move to MMa because fake technique does not work in MMa
bushidoartss 11 months ago
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micirv20 11 months ago
@bushidoartss err, Machida; GSP; LIddell. Tiresome and ignorant comment. What MMA proves is that you need a range. Karate perfectly good for your striking range; useful to supplement with sprawl and brawl if you're less comfortable on the floor, but best to get some grappling and ground work in too.
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@blagamoush10 karate good for striking?did you ever had a fight or hard spariring?if you use karate in mma it is the way get fucked up in 5 secodns..just look that funny stance...face open..karate for kids dude
bushidoartss 10 months ago
@bushidoartss err, the guys above all use karate sparring. You're one of these muppets who can't see beyond what you've been taught. And the stance, with hips wide, is much less vulnerable to shoots and take-downs than Muay Thai: just look at Machida - hardly ever taken down. You're one of these guys suddenly confronted by evidence that makes you uncomfortable, and feeling the chill wind of obselescence of what you think you know, you lash out but just expose your ignorance. Now fuck off.
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@blagamoush10 MACHIDA MACHIDA MACHIDA MILIONS MILIONS PRACTISING KARATE ONLY MACHIDA COULD FIGHT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT USE KARATE DAOES KARATE HAS BOXING TECHNOQUE?NOT MACHIDA CAN BE KARATE SHIT BUT IN THE CASE HE USE MUAY THAI AND BOXING..KARATE IS BULSHIT END OF HYSTORY
bushidoartss 10 months ago
@bushidoartss Machida uses Karate. For anyone who has trained to a high-level it's very obvious. Denying it because it makes you uncomfortable is not an argument. All the techniques he uses can be found in karate, which you'd know if you didn't spend all your time looking for your CAPS LOCK.
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@blagamoush10 KARATE FOR LOOSERS DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWER?COME TO ME BITHC I LL SHOW HOW TO FIGHT FUCKING PUSSY DANCERS
bushidoartss 10 months ago
@bushidoartss fine. Where do you live?
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@blagamoush10 wide, is much less vulnerable to shoots and take-downs ?????I MA LAUGHING HAHAHAHA DO YOU HAVE IDEA WHAT IS LOW KICK?AND HOW IT IS PAINFUL?HOW YOU GOING TO CHECK THAT LOW KCIKS FORM THAT STANCE?EI KID GO FUCKYOURSELF I CAN FIGHT WITH KARATE FIGHTER ONE LEG.FUNAKOSHI YAMAGUCHI KANZAWA ALL LOOSERS DANCER
bushidoartss 10 months ago
@bushidoartss You've been boasting here about how well you can fight. Ok, I call you on it. Post some footage of yourself on Youtube so the whole world can judge whether you're any good for themselves.
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@bushidoartss they're not in it all the time fool. It's about transitions.
blagamoush10 10 months ago
@micirv20 I do not understand your anger. Nakayama was the first to really institute tournaments and sport into karate. Before that, any "match" was full contact no holds barred. There were no competitions. Only grudge matches, really. Judo had tournaments. Funakoshi was by and large against tournaments as he saw them as "sport karate."
As Gerald Evans says, "do it for yourself."
ndileonardo 7 months ago
go practice kyokushin then..
silvioroberto15 1 year ago
@christianbrecht still thailand muay thai fighter could kick their ass in 10 seconds
bushidoartss 1 year ago
@bushidoartss do you know Andy Hug bitch ass?
magomedleloup 11 months ago
@magomedleloup andy hug was doing kyokushin full contact training not traditional..and also after few time when mike bernardo beat andy andy moved to thailand 6 month was training muay thai..then came back and beat mike bernardo..do not talk about bulshit if you fucjking keyboard wariror..
bushidoartss 11 months ago
@magomedleloup hey u chineese 1.5m 45 kg warrior do u threat me a keybord warrior?? I was defending andy hug by the way and you think i am a keybord warrior? i would beat ure ass easily
magomedleloup 11 months ago
@christianbrecht really? you think so, watch any kyokushin competitions. sport i think not
trickykid0011 8 months ago
Nice clip.. Thanks R0CKY44. Do you know when and where this was filmed?
unag 4 years ago
Looks the same place as the Enoeda/Kanazawa clip:
"1973. Nihon Budokan. 1st JKA World Championship"
jbob75butbetter 4 years ago