Can someone explain me the differences between italian/french style in baroque music? I've searched the internet and the only I found was the italian/french overtures and that italians prefered the violin and french prefered the clavecin.
Can someone explain me (or give me an source) about the differences between italian/french baroque style. I searched a lot in the internet but the only differences I find are the tempo and the style of the overtures and that italians prefered the violin but french the clavecin.
Umm. Let's see... firstly, French baroque music is entirely in dotted rythm whether written or not. The French used 'note enegales', meaning they would play with dotted rythm when it was written as straight rythm and double-dotted rythm when dotted rythm was written in the piece. The French style is generally less melodic, and more harmonic, odtentimes having a very rich sound. Tempo was not as quick as the Italian style. The French used alot of ornamentation, particularily trills.
Progressions/melody: Vivaldi. This is a "complete" transcription. However, do observe the comparatively low notes being hit by the lute, which is more characteristic of French Baroque music.
Ornamentation: Mixed. Some Vivaldian ornamentation has been retained, but largely French. Important to keep in mind the very nature of Baroque improvisation: to let the performer take liberties.
Instrumentation: French. This particular ensemble of instruments was very popular within French Baroque music.
the stylistic differences within the 'Latin' Baroque are not substantial. It is somewhat a Bachian ideology (with which Bach might have nothing to do) that separates French style from Italian, claiming covertly that 'German Art' supersedes 'early'(i.e., 'incomplete') baroque. It is a pity that Bach and others were presented (in fact, imposed) as the 'telos' of pre-classical period, as if Royer or Frescobaldi had naturally tended to that later style, without achievement.
To my ears, this sounds mostly Italian Baroque music with French ornamentation perhaps. Compared to actual French Baroque music this still sounds pretty italian. It is interesting however to hear a French style performance of this work.
No, it is French. Get over the Vivaldi. Chedeville was the composer who adapted it and published it in FRANCE. Therefore, the performers are playing it in the French style. The music is adapted from an Italian work (Vivaldi), but it was adapted by a French composer and published in France.
I'm curious as to peoples justification of french vs italian style in this. The virtuosity of writing does seem very italian but so much of it has characteristics of the french style. I definately hear italian but I'm just curious as to what others say about it, I could give a lot of reasons as to why it sounds french too.
This is Italian baroque. The recordist adds a bit of the french feel with an abundance of trills, but otherwise, this is italian. Afterall, this is really an arrangement of Vivaldi music. For real french baroque look up Jean-Baptiste Lully or Marin Marais.
I saw a part of this video on ARTS when they play somethin of Forqueray and it was a sort of shockin because I've never heard them play french baroque before, I was accustomed to hear them in italian music =) this video is awesome! the customs, the lights, instruments, music
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OlafAndvarafors 2 years ago 2
It isn`t live music... but it`s still fine
federicogartner 2 years ago
French never got good taste for music!
Music is a matter for italians en germans!
callimacos 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. Delightful music.
Babejuda 3 years ago 3
Excellent, well done for posting this.
DrTWG 3 years ago
this is mostly like english baroque however i dont know any french baroque musician except rameau
gothips 3 years ago
Rameau, Couperin, Charpentier, Delalande...
mimzou 2 years ago 15
I always think of pirates when I hear this kind of music! Or perhaps sometimes Dracula's castle...
CLane1983 3 years ago
lol Are you a Melancholy soul of wonton and pain? Are you a lover of drma so rich in passion and challenge, with some sort of moody alone time?
I'm serious. lol
TriumVirateABAP 2 years ago
精彩啊！！~
dashande2007 3 years ago
does anyone know whr i can get an mp3 of this version? and wad is the title of this composition?
munirahbb 3 years ago
do u know whr i can download it?
munirahbb 3 years ago
omg french baroque is so soothing to hear!
munirahbb 3 years ago 12
Gesamtkunstwerk!
TheBaroqueEra a very sweet share.
SAT9terminus 3 years ago
Hi ! where is recorded this video! maybe Italy, Is very nice place
nonua 3 years ago
Greatest, it's the art which i'm seeking for.. Beautiful... I lost words.. ofcause 5stars
YoshihiroUtsumi 3 years ago 3
Ooh I know this as an oboe sonata
melpasculli 3 years ago
Wonderful :)
xorangexrangex 3 years ago
French Baroque by an Italian composer!
mauscavr 3 years ago 2
bravo! very nice.
Gealach74 3 years ago
Thanks for the great video!
Can someone explain me the differences between italian/french style in baroque music? I've searched the internet and the only I found was the italian/french overtures and that italians prefered the violin and french prefered the clavecin.
frapesdrinker 3 years ago
Thanks for the nice video!
Can someone explain me (or give me an source) about the differences between italian/french baroque style. I searched a lot in the internet but the only differences I find are the tempo and the style of the overtures and that italians prefered the violin but french the clavecin.
frapesdrinker 3 years ago
Umm. Let's see... firstly, French baroque music is entirely in dotted rythm whether written or not. The French used 'note enegales', meaning they would play with dotted rythm when it was written as straight rythm and double-dotted rythm when dotted rythm was written in the piece. The French style is generally less melodic, and more harmonic, odtentimes having a very rich sound. Tempo was not as quick as the Italian style. The French used alot of ornamentation, particularily trills.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
thank you very much for the information :-)
frapesdrinker 3 years ago 2
oh that is some truly wonderful music...
ah yes
jonrivera 4 years ago
:-)Great video my friend:-)
go9zu 4 years ago
THANK YOU! I recorded this on TV some years back, but have since lost the tape.
0pteryx 4 years ago
Progressions/melody: Vivaldi. This is a "complete" transcription. However, do observe the comparatively low notes being hit by the lute, which is more characteristic of French Baroque music.
Ornamentation: Mixed. Some Vivaldian ornamentation has been retained, but largely French. Important to keep in mind the very nature of Baroque improvisation: to let the performer take liberties.
Instrumentation: French. This particular ensemble of instruments was very popular within French Baroque music.
Sicilianmandolin 4 years ago
very nice! i wanna play the french baroque also. but i have intonation problem ...
xieyongqie 4 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing such a wonderful performance.
aymarajilatanaka 4 years ago
the stylistic differences within the 'Latin' Baroque are not substantial. It is somewhat a Bachian ideology (with which Bach might have nothing to do) that separates French style from Italian, claiming covertly that 'German Art' supersedes 'early'(i.e., 'incomplete') baroque. It is a pity that Bach and others were presented (in fact, imposed) as the 'telos' of pre-classical period, as if Royer or Frescobaldi had naturally tended to that later style, without achievement.
kadrab 4 years ago
To my ears, this sounds mostly Italian Baroque music with French ornamentation perhaps. Compared to actual French Baroque music this still sounds pretty italian. It is interesting however to hear a French style performance of this work.
Rik77 4 years ago
No, it is French. Get over the Vivaldi. Chedeville was the composer who adapted it and published it in FRANCE. Therefore, the performers are playing it in the French style. The music is adapted from an Italian work (Vivaldi), but it was adapted by a French composer and published in France.
starcommander55 4 years ago
wonderfull music i have ever heard
nvchien75 4 years ago
I'm curious as to peoples justification of french vs italian style in this. The virtuosity of writing does seem very italian but so much of it has characteristics of the french style. I definately hear italian but I'm just curious as to what others say about it, I could give a lot of reasons as to why it sounds french too.
nimuroji 4 years ago
This is Italian baroque. The recordist adds a bit of the french feel with an abundance of trills, but otherwise, this is italian. Afterall, this is really an arrangement of Vivaldi music. For real french baroque look up Jean-Baptiste Lully or Marin Marais.
HARMONICO101 4 years ago
I saw a part of this video on ARTS when they play somethin of Forqueray and it was a sort of shockin because I've never heard them play french baroque before, I was accustomed to hear them in italian music =) this video is awesome! the customs, the lights, instruments, music
coaxqueen 4 years ago
giovanni antonini is such a great person, that he impressed my own personal choises only through his recordings(recorders also).
oncucar 4 years ago
Perfect.
Original instruments are the best everytime!
ahmetgm 4 years ago
Friend, this is ITALIAN, not French. Please, you have to change the title. Vivaldi is Italian and this style is Italian too.
pandemonio81 4 years ago
This title is because Chedeville
trapizobas 4 years ago
All is French
Silvio823 3 years ago
Ta gueule toi.
IT IS FRENCH !!
Silvio823 3 years ago
OMG do you mean, for instance, that Telemann's Suite in A minor isn't in French style, just because Telemann was German ? :-o
AlainNaigeon 2 years ago 2
It´s italian baroque, not french.
juving 4 years ago
this is realy and true baroque music!
what a masterpiece!
Cristandos 4 years ago
wow, please more!
stilodieuterpe 4 years ago 6
Yeah, aren't they great!
TheBaroqueEra 4 years ago 3
Amazing!
Thanks!!!
ahmetgm 4 years ago