1:08 !!! Notice how he's shooting the furthermost window of the TSBD, NOT the window that Oswald allegedly fired from. There's an interview here on YouTube, with a guy who insists that he saw a guy with a rifle, in this window, not Oswald's window, just prior to the shooting.
It was a gunman in the TSBD (not Oswald: same floor as Oswald but the window at the opposite end of the building), and a bullet firing mechanism that was built into the glass divider that was between the driver and the Connellys. The grassy knoll was a ruse. Get anyone who may think it's a conspiracy to become distracted and start talking about the "gunman behind the fence" and completely ignore the car itself. They replaced the windshield after the shooting; did they replace the divider?
they made it so obvious it was a comspicarcy they even killed oswald 2days later jack ruby was prob hired him 2kill oswald because oswald was probley gunna tell the truth about cia fbi E.T.C all involved in it
The salient point is that once JFK was killed there was a massive coverup with at least 2 stories given to the media. The coverup tells us that there was a conspiracy.
@hownos on the contrary, there is a instant in the movie where the film is damaged. There is another film that is damaged at exactly the same spot and time! This is more that interesting.
In solidarity with the American people -- & all people -- I call on the current president, his surviving predecessors, Congress, and all U.S. & intl. media; on all who spoke/wrote yesterday to honor President Kennedy on the 50th anniversary of his inauguration: to speak/write now to honor & examine, for the benefit of the American people -- & all people -- his Executive Order 11110 & its fate. President Kennedy stood up for all of you. Now who of you will stand up for President Kennedy? Who?????
the car did slow down to a snail's pace...its one of the early most obvious things about the seconds in Dallas that changed our nation and everyone's life in this modern era, worldwide...forever...
the car did slow down to a snail's pace...its one of the early most obvious things about the seconds in dallas that change our nation and everyone's life in this modern ear, worldwide...forever...
Surely in this day and age they should be able to study that window and (even if they can't identify the person there) detect some movement-as the gunman would have been in position when the sixth floor window is captured in this movie.
isnt it funny how all the cars was so close together all the way through then at the kill point they had fallen back from the presidents car almost like they knew exactly where the kill zone was going to be. and the secret service car in which was right behind the presidents car slowed everybody down to keep from getting hit. johnson had all the security on his car and kennedy had known. kennedy should have not been in the parade.
I wonder how long after the assassination was LHO seen by his coworkers. It seems to me that they would be able to comment about his mood, for instance did he appear to be normal and calm, or was his mood unlike his normal mood after the time of the assassination.
i think the gun in the window was a cover up, so poeple would think that's how the assassinater shot from cuz the gun wasn't even a good gun for that distance a the shots was seconds after each other
The point wasn't so much to get someone into power that would attack Cuba. The point behind Kennedy's death was to ensure the continuance of the Cold War for the profit of the military-industrial complex.
When and if those documents ever become available they will do two things. They'll show Oswald to be the lone assassin. And they will show what the Military-Industrial Complex believed to be "dangerous radicals" such as JFK and MLK Jr to be involved in lots of other dirty business.
They had to implicate everybody in the assassination so that everybody would participate in the cover up. Everybody was guilty and everybody was afraid to talk about it. The cover up of this is beyond anything anybody could possibly imagine. If there are any documents implicating the government's guilt in this they are most likely destroyed, or replaced by documents with false information that are locked away as I type this and will never reveal anything once released.
Howard Hughes had Kennedy killed. Look who his right hand man was - Robert Maheu. The man that had set up the CIA/Mafia relationship. A man who had an extraordinary amount of influence in the CIA and FBI. The guy knew Johnny Roselli very well. If you ask me, he and Hughes were the ones who put the Mafia up to it and the hit men are Corsican Mafia and American Mafia hitmen - as E. Howard Hunt admitted.
I believe LBJ and the military Black Operations folks did him in!---He was a threat to their sweet deal they had going on and war in vietnam was a billions of bucks business that they had their hands in the till for------BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF BUCKS FOLKS---CORRUPTION CAN HAPPEN OVER LESS THAN MILLIONS BUT WE'RE TALKING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HERE!!!
I hope that in the future they will come up with technology that can focus on the sixth floor on the Hughes film. This is a perfect shot of the building just before the shots rang out. New technology should be able to see if there was anyone there. I hope.
@1uneek I've watched these pics many times, along with many others, and I've never seen a rifle in the window. My dad has a book with pics by the police later of Oswalds position. He had boxes stacked up inside the window, I think 4 boxes to hide himself, and 3 boxes right beside to rest his gun. They found a paper sack that had his lunch, it had chicken bones and a pop bottle, along with his rifle. I think he claimed his rifle was curtain rods, to smuggle into the building.
It sucks that JFK, RFK, MLK were all assassinated. There was a social revolution in western society after, but luckily there was not a second civil war or a political coup. There may have been if the Vietnam War was not such a news distraction and most people realized the wide extent of some members of government's involvement in the assassinations/conspiracies.
the CIA has been used by every president kennedy johnson nixon bush to kill i overthrow governments of other countries must end the CIA and its power
the CIA is a murderous criminal organization involved in other countries do not waste time arguing over stupid you have to finish with the CIA is now an embarrassment to america ....
It's very likely that the successors to the men who had Kennedy killed have for years started endless rumors and theories in order to deliberately distract and confuse everyone.
FIAT JUSTITIA, RUAT CAELUM
(Latin for, Let justice be done though the heavens fall)
On June 4, 1963, John F Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110. This gave the U.S. Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. This gave the U.S. government back its power to issue currency, while stripping the Federal Reserve's power to loan money to the government at interest
I heard that Kurt Cobain was a real JFK assassination buff. He sort of became obsessed with it after the Oliver Stone film came out and was reported to have paid over a million dollars to a Seattle man for a secret film that showed the gunmen at the fence very clearly.
He bought the film in March of 1994 and was going to reveal it to the world. After a strange call from New Orleans, he left rehab to go home to get the film. We know what happened then.
excuse me man im not doubting the possibility, but where exactly is this info about Kurt to be found because im gonna read about it immediately if you can cite it, or point me in the right direction
@Edbrooks7707 Do not use ridicule, please state your ideas then your facts. Rule #5 in the rules for radicals is to use ridicule because it is almost immpossible to come back. Ridicule is the strategy for jackass's!!!!
Lol. I believe Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA and 9/11 was an inside job, but I cannot buy into the Cobain-JFK connection. Lol. It's fun to speculate about it, though!
siriusspin -- the Hughes film does get the same attention as the "badgeman" photo in Robert Groden's "The Killing of a President" book and both his "Case For Conspiracy" and "JFK Assassination Films" DVDs.
It's just you. The highest floor visible (in this video) is the 5th. At best, you'd see Williams, Jarman, or Norman, but even that, I'd be skeptical of, given the video quality.
In his book Six Seconds in Dallas (1967), Josiah Thompson shows still frames of the Hughes film, which clearly shows a person in the window to the left of the "sniper's nest" just seconds before the shooting. This is really creepy, is it Oswald or someone else? If it is someone else, who is it?
Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
I know your comment is like...3 months old (sorry) but, just as an answer, really high exposure from the camera + sunlight would have made it that glared to us...
Hey Dasborg, if you have first hand information you could make a lot of money out of that!! Then again, if you choose to conceal it that makes you an accessory to murder after the fact. Your choice.
Dasborg "I have first hand knowledge that the CIA..." yeah, sure, nice bluff... then he goes into 4 gunman...know about all the earwitness surveys done in Dealey Plaza? Guess not, because it was 136 hearing 3 shots and only 6,SIX! hearing 4 shots. I'll side with the 136 any day of the year because that's the sober consensus. If their were 4 gunman people would be hearing different sounds from all directions and that was NOT the case according to earwitnesses.
I have first hand knowledge that the CIA was behind the assassination of JFK, and that there were at least 4 gunman at Daily Plaza. The motive, Kennedy's attempt to destroy the CIA for the botching of the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Cuba, a botching that was created by Kennedy himself.
JFK assassination is just like 9-11.. There is even more evidence proving 9-11 was an inside job yet the majority of the population either refuses it or has not seen it.. If you watched this video then you really need to look into 9-11.. I know it sounds crazy but the facts and the evidence points to the truth.. Of course, there are two sides to every story but if you look at both sides it becomes quite clear.. There is a reason FBI, CIA, engineers, architects, and scholars are speaking out..
@jjmurph22290 - 9/11 wasn't an inside job. They let it happen. But same reason. Keep perpetuating the military-industrial complex. Haliburton and all the other people.
@jjmurph22290 - I gotta say it was LBJ and his attorney Ed Clark. All the people they hung around with at Del Charro hotel conveniently are all the same people questioned in JFK's murder.
@hogger129 Yeh and why are all the outriders on LBJ's car and non on Kennedy's? Not so the people could see the president but because the outriders would prevent the Assassins (plural) from getting a clean shot. And guess who ordered the car for the president to use? Why, that good ol boy LBJ... may he rot in hell!
The car with the outriders isn't LBJ's car. It's the Secret Service followup car. LBJ was in the light blue Lincoln convertible, the third car in the motorcade.
yes, just seems weird everyone one else is running the other way. you would think they would at least be standing still in shock than walking quickly the other way.
there was a video taken of the badgeman but the badgeman pointed his rifle at the man and demanded the film. the badgeman was in tears and shaking when he demanded the film.
I agree Oswald did this alone. He was a nut case who tried to kill an Army General a few months earlier. The gun was he, he took off after the killing, murdered a police officer as he tried to get away. After nearly fiftey years, there is no evidence of anyone else helping Oswald do this.
Yeah, he was a nut case used by military intelligence to act as a decoy mole in Russia so the U.S. could monitor the actions of the KGB which is why he gets in & out of Russia like nobody else. Oswald was heavily involved in Operation Mongoose. The eyewitness testimony of Acquila Clemmons fits Jack Ruby & not Oswald as Tippit's killer because Tippit was Badgeman & he met up with Ruby & Oswald right after the shooting of JFK. Ruby shot Tippit in order to make Oswald the patsy.
I agree with you. Oswald killed Kennedy. The History Channel investigation of this was quite compelling. For many years I was convinced there were other shooters, but no more. Oswald had the means, the motive, the opportunity, and the skill set.
Spring of 2007: Convicted Watergate burglar and dirty trickster E. Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession to having been the CIA team leader in Dealey Plaza--and operation codenamed "The Big Event" Transcript of the confession at SaintJohnHunt(dot)com Why wasn't this confession promoted on See BS? Jack Ruby had worked for Richard Nixon. Coincidence?
even if he was a lone shooter why were jfk's body guards that were supposed to be on the rear of the car ordered to stand down and leave their posts moments before the shots, they would have been in the line of sight.
They (the Secret Service) were ordered to "stand down" by JFK himself (read a book!) at the start of the motorcade, before they even left Love Field. This was not unusual for JFK, by the way, as he was quite eager to let down his guard and appear as a "man of the people." (he also appeared to realize the futility of protecting the President from a sniper in a window)
It's fair to ask questions, but seriously, do some homework before attempting to drop a "bombshell" here.
I've seen the film where the SS is told to stand down by the commander in the trailing car; when that happens the officer on the back right is clearly visibly preplexed that he is being told to stand down.
If it was routine & normal, & was the plan all along; how come JFK's SS didn't know about it until after the his car was in motion; & why would his SS be preplexed by normal routine?
Do some thinking, everything someone puts in a book isn't a fact; especially when they hae an agenda.
The best source for learning about JFK's relationship with the SS is "Death of a President" by Manchester. While it has it has a handful of factual innaccuracies, it offers an intimate view of how JFK and his team dealt with security. While the SS could be said to "err on the side of caution," they were nevertheless beholden to JFK, who "erred on the side of popularity." Individual security protocals were *routinely* left undecided until the last minute, as you can see.
I did my homework......the agents that day already stated that President Kennedy did not tell them to stand down. The book you are referring to is "DEATH OF A PRESIDENT" IT'S ALREADY BEEN REFUTED BY CLINT HILL MY FRIEND. CLINT HILL RODE ON THE BACK OF THE LIMO. LOOK AT CERTAIN FILMS OF THE MOTORCADE.
OK, perhaps I misspoke when I attributed the "stand down" quote to Kennedy. But as long as you are quoting Clint Hill, note his WC testimony that a week earlier, the SS team was *specifically* admonished by the president NOT to stand on the rear step of the limo during motorcades. Instructions were given to Agent Boring, who passed it to the others. In a very LITERAL sense, they were told to stand down by JFK. (W.C. Hearings vol. 2) Evidently, the confused agent seen here didn't get the memo.
Clint Hill (and I believe Kellerman) did ride on the back step at 4 or 5 occasions during the motorcade, but only during times when the crowds were extra thick, requiring the motorcycle escorts to fall back. Read Hill's WC, and he is very clear about what the protocol was that day, as well as the order by JFK that they avoid riding on the back step of the limo.
First of all Kellerman was the agent in charge in the front seat. Second, Clint Hill testimony and floyd Boring said to Vincint Palamara that President Kennedy never gave an order like that......I can't reveal my name but I work for the SS, and have done research into the detail's role that morning. WC testimony is ligit......but Boring did recanted his statement 30 years later and Gerald Behn who was the head of the whole detail wasn't aware of this order. James Rowley wasn't either.
That document was release to throw off blame on the President of the US for our failure. I say our failure because I am now part of the Service. Like I said before Gerald Behn wasn't aware of this, and 30 years later Boring stated he (President Kennedy) did not order him to tell agents to ride on the rear. Agent was riding on the rear in Miami on November 18, 1963, supposedly when President Kennedy told Agent Boring to tell those agent to get off....IT WAS NEVER SAID
I'm sure you are a good man and I'm ready for this debate. I have done research through college and now in the service as a special agent in the PRS section. I don 't believe in a wide conspiracy but the format of that whole motorcade was FUCKED UP FROM THE START. Allowing that 90 degree turn instead of going straight on main street still bothers me. I am young but have intensely studied the whole assassination.
I appreciate your ferver, and your candor. Your concerns about the motorcade route are suprisingly easy to dispell. The way the Dealy Plaza triple underpass worked, at that time, was such that, if you wanted to enter the Stemmons Freeway, toward the Trade Mart (as the Motorcade required) you would HAVE to use Elm Street, because Main Street was prevented from accessing the far-right entrance ramp via a concrete lane divider.
Further, norr4636, I agree that the format of the motorcade was F'ed up...in retrospect. Monday morning quarterbacking, shall we say. It's clear that Kennedy in general (and on this trip, specifically) wanted to be a "man of the people" and keep the SS out of the way. The route was chosen (with the hairpin turn) out of necessity, but the SS figured it was within their abilitiy to protect the target. The motorcade had slowed down to 10mph many times that day, so this was nothing extraordinary.
Ok.....I don't know if you are Gary Mack but if you are nice try. I appreciate your ferver in this matter also. Like I said before, I truly don't see how President Kennedy caused his own death when most of the agents didn't react to the first shots before the fatal shot, Greer slowed the car down to a snail pace until the fatal head wound. Kellerman in the front seat didn't jump from the front to protect even hearing the Gov. screaming "they going to kill us all". The cars were very close
im 24 and this has always bothered me. being the modern era as it was, knowing everything about how many enemies the kennedys had esp being in dallas how is it that no one reacts until his head is literally blown off? jackie did more to help then any of a mutli million $ protection agency. its sickening and frusterating to watch. i think that there were high ups in the gov pentagon and military involved. those who werent involved must have thought we must cover up to avoid a revolution
@pat442389 LOL Try to remember you and I are at best, armchair historians. You and I have the luxury of running Zappruder's little film OVER and OVER again. We get to watch Oswald get shot in slow-motion OVER and OVER again!
You have the perspective of history and the benefit of CLOSE UP and HIGH TECH-FRAME STABLIZATION. I know it's hard, but try to remember: nobody knew what the first shot was. It missed. The next two shots happened in less than 10 seconds! What would YOU have done, Sherlock?
@pat442389 read " reclaiming history" by vincent bugliosi. He was a police investigator on the scene of the assasination and became a world famous prosecuting attorney. He bases this book on FACTS that Oswald was the lone assasin. Oswald was stopped on the streets of dallas because he figured correctly that he was seen with a gun in the window by people on the ground. As for the presidents protectors, JFK could be alive today if the driver of the limo stepped on the gas, instead he STOPPED.
@baseballeddie1177 no he wrote the book like any prosecutor would trying to argue that oswald, and only oswald could have killed kennedy. he picks what evidence and witness testimony fits and discards what doesnt. he ignores the dallas drs, gives no motive for why oswald would do this, doesnt describe how the cops got oswalds description and totally whitewashes many credible witnesses including kennedy staffers who thought shots came from the front. k odonnel states "it was an ambush"
@pat442389 either you didnt look over the book or u r an idiot. He addresses every topic u mentioned. The book is the complete factual account of the assasination. The scene was echo chamber, hundreds of people interviewed had many opinions of the number of shots and their origins, but 80% aggreed on 3 shots and from the book bldg. Folks on the ground seen oswald in the window and gave description to police. Why was Oswald on the run anyway ? The only employee to leave work unexpected that day
@baseballeddie1177 so the witnesses who heard shots from the book depository are correct and can be trusted (even more if they say they saw oswald shooting, which no1 did) more than the witnesses who said shots came from the knoll? and the knoll witnesses are in some weird "echo chamber?" oswald had no reason 2 kill JFK. he went to russia as a fake defector for navy intel. just like other cadets did during those days. he was given $ 2 come home &never arrested or question. that sounds weird 2 me
@pat442389 right here on youtube, view the testimony of Howard Brennan and eye witness to the last and deadly shot of JFK. As for Oswald's reasons-who gives a damn about that ? Why did he kill Tippet and attempt to kill another policeman in the movie theater ? A crazy murderous ,demonic,suicidal low life pig -hows that ?
@baseballeddie1177 Quick question? How can u give a description of someone from the ground when you are looking at a sixth floor window? Oswald's height and weight was given. Once again i ask how can u tell how tall or how much someone weighs when you are looking up from the ground inside a room? Hmmm....
@lilsneekybxny182nd Many of the DPD members in 1963 were criminals. Even the controlled fag felon, JE Hoover (FBI Director), was a criminal. There are videos of this with people in law enforcement calling him that.
About the DPD cop that put out the broadcast, this particular asshole took over the dispatch duty just for that Nov 22 day from the female dispatcher. She was given tickets to attend the luncheon to remove her. The dispatch asshole cop is on another video. You can tell he is lying.
@pat442389 I think its because it happened so fast. Keep in mind that the average person back then was not like the average person these days. Sex murder violence and the like wasent everyday house hold entertainment the way it is these days, people really didnt expect what happened there to happen, thats one of the reasons this was SUCH a BIG deal. It actually ripped the covers off of the american public and screamed "WAKE UP! ALL IS LOST!!" It CHANGED this country forever.
This is an older comment, but I'll address it now. In the Altgens photo, a majority of the agents in the follow up car were seen to be looking back after the 1st or 2nd shot (depending on your theory) Clint Hill made a beeline for the Limo after the first shot. Rufus Youngblood covered Johnson after the first shot. Kellerman radioed within seconds.I agree that the SS may have (as a group) failed in their duties, but some of the responsibility has to fall on JFK's previous "keep away" orders.
@norr4636 Yes, and jackie said to family that her nanny would have done a better job protecting the president. The secret service of the vice president jumped on top of LBJ after the first MISSED shot, JFK's secret service did nothing even after he was hit. Not to excuse conduct but the mental state was a more innocent era - until that moment. i beleive that crime unleashed a world of evil like a pandoras box, a bold and unspeakable crime right in front of everyone.
@baseballeddie1177 "Not to excuse conduct but the mental state was a more innocent era - until that moment. i beleive that crime unleashed a world of evil like a pandoras box, a bold and unspeakable crime right in front of everyone.
One thing I have learned, the President doesn't tell the Secret Service what it can or can not do......he can request. I in turn as an agent stationed in the United States, I always do my homework on advance work before the President or any body in the line of succession comes to any city. SA Lawson did his job for the trip but failed to discontinue the windows openings, the motorcade route should not have been publish. Especially DALLAS,TX
That may in fact be true now, Norr, but it's clear from the statements given in 1963 and 1964 that the SS, while upholding its duties, was still ultimately beholden to the President. If he said "back off," they sure as hell did, or they'd find themselves investgating counterfeit bills in Alaska.
Thank you for your dialog, here and elsewhere, Norr4636. I hope I've made an impression on you, at least on this one point. Granted, there are dozens of other areas of concern to those interested in the assassination, but at least on this point, I hope I have made an impression, especially as it appears to relate to your chosen career in particular. Once again, good luck to you.
To say there's no proof of another shooter ignores the proof used by the House Select Committee on Assassinations ruling that there was a conspiracy. Denial is not a river in Egypt. If you think they're wrong, prove why, i.e. put up or shut up.
well, actually the Select Committee didn't use evidence or present evidence to suggest there was another shooter. Look at the files the FBI just released; the Government was released all 'Classified' information including the infamous fourth tape.
Well, actually, they did. HSAC performed acoustic tests in combination with evidence derived from the dictabelt recording obtained from the Dallas Police Department in which a police officer's radio mic was open during the shooting which confirmed the presence of a "fourth" shot coming from the grassy knoll which the HSAC concluded had missed. I am aware of an infamous fourth tramp, Oswald's cellmate James Elrod, but not aware of any "infamous fourth tape". Please elaborate.
Dwight D. Eisenhower. (pat44...). The CIA operated many covert operations in the late 50s and 60, such as Op..AJAX, Op. PBSuccess, and other Cout d'etats, and a failed Bay of pigs (where this plot was planned before kennedy was in office, he learned of it 9 days after entering the WH. and was opposed of it, but went along with it)
your right and he also was never going to start the veitnam war which pissed off the military indus complex which is funny because thats exactly what eisenhuar (cant spell) warned against as he left office in 1960
that was indside job = ( CIA + FBI + MOSSAD killed KENNEDY)... for israel's middleasia stragedy !! .... how ?.... israel has steal to arabian area at 1948 and wanted creat big deal middleasia operation... but kennedy did not permi to israel... he knew= israel will be dangerously for middleasia and for all world then did not permi any israel operation... then israel goverment took a decision = killing KENNEDY !!... that is all !!
there diffenitly was more than one shooter. on the fatal head shot were his head explodes, notice the 1st shot witch does the explosion of the skull. #2 comes only about .8 miliseconds later witch causes his head to move back and him to lean over dead, because that shooter was at a different angle (ahead of the limo). so one shot from the rear (the oswald guy) and 1 shot from the front witch causes jfks head to move back and to the side. also notice one agent wasnt riding behind jfk to gaurd em
John Kennedy shot by CIA agents as he ordered them to close their training camps down so Bush
wanted him dead. The failed Bay of pig invasion was done without consent with Kennedy. Oswald was not the lone assassin. Secret agents not allowed to ride with him, his doctor not allowed to come on the trip or his head of NSA. It was one big setup. The driver didn't drive off fast until Kennedy was dead. His body was later mutilated so no one would know about the other shooters.
A man named JC Price was on the roof of a building in Dealey Plaza and saw a man running from the picket fence around behind the TSBD building.There were also witnesses that saw men running from the TSBD building.Of course they were all ignored.
the film shows actually no one running up the grassy knoll (as some guy are still suggesting).
This can be seen even mor clearly in the Bell film of the assasination because he has the better position and has filmed the events in direct following of the shooting.
Judge for yourself and do not belief all nonsens people are saying!
i see people running to the scene, but absolutely nobody running up the grassy knoll? just me? look again my fellow babies its the right ta ta but the wrong ho ho
The beginning of the film shows shocking truth...everyone runs to the grassy knoll and not to the depository...grassy knoll, grassy knoll...wonder why that is??
Following the sounds of gunshots is stupid? Let me guess, if you had been there you would've known instantly, because you are soooo smart. You would've been shouting "Oswald! Oswald!" and pointing to the School Book Depository. Yes, how impressed we would've been by your reactions that day, had you been there.
@Nominay - The amount of gunshots is irrelevant. However many assassins there were, Kennedy was killed and the assassins achieved their goal. I don't think Oswald had anything to do with it at all. Makes more sense he really was a patsy from the get-go.
@hogger129 The gunshot sounds are not irrelevant insomuch as multiple ones preclude one man firing them alone from that window from that building.
I've never seen any circumstantial evidence that would suggest that Howard Hughes had anything to do with this. Is he even so much as on record hating Kennedy? There's been a more compelling case that Carlos Marcello was the impetus behind this.
@Nominay - The smoking gun is the guy that worked for him. Robert Maheu. Maheu knew Johnny Roselli and Carlos Marcello. Maheu could likely have put Roselli and other mobsters up to it. Santo Trafficante, Jr as well.
@hogger129 So Maheu knew him. So? Giancana thanked him for never talking about what he new, not necessarily for what he did. Since when did mobsters ever shoot sniper style in bright afternoon where a public crowd has formed with police around? I think Steve Revele got a bad rap for his Kennedy assassination docu. Not everything fell apart from his claims and research, far from it.
@Nominay - Maheu was hired by the CIA organize the relationship between them and the Mafia. He was also former FBI and worked on CIA counter-intel operations and worked for Hughes. It's obvious he was in bed with the Mafia. Just because mobsters never used a high-powered rifle in broad daylight doesn't mean they don't do it. There are lots of unanswered questions about people in DP that day. Most likely they were wearing police uniforms or suits and popped out fake credentials when questioned.
@Nominay - And just because the Mafia is known for doing up close shots with pistols doesn't mean they are incapable of sniping with rifles. Do you simply believe that because Olive Stone said it in his movie? The moorman photograph proves someone was on the GK with a police uniform on. He shoots, tosses the rifle into the trunk of a car while everyone's in a panic. Puts on his hat and acts busy as everyone rushes up the hill. Same for all the other shooters.
@Nominay - And Hughes and Maheu could be as guilty as anyone else. That's the way they wanted this to happen. They implicated everybody as to confuse investigators and because everyone had some level of guilt in it all, they would perpetuate the conspiracy to save themselves. What's to say General Edwin Walker (the guy Oswald took a shot on) didn't do it with his 24th Infantry from Munich, Germany? His men could pull it off. They had motive. It would give legal and religious/political control.
@Nominay - Towards the end of his book, Maheu brags that Giancana thanked him for never talking about the CIA/Mafia plots. This is b.s. Maheu had been talking about his involvement for years in order to avoid prosection on wiretapping charges, etc. Giancana himself bragged about his own involvement. It seems likely that the "thanks" was for not talking about something else.
@Nominay - Maheu is the reason why everyone thinks it was the CIA. Maheu was a perfect CIA cut-out. When Maheu approached Roselli about Castro, Roselli immediately thought it was for the CIA when it really wasn't - yet. The Lorenz/Sturgis attempt on Castro preceded official CIA operations by months.
@Nominay - Who else could have gotten them to do it? -Maheu. Which leads me to believe Hughes is behind it, too. Strangely, no one at the CIA could remember where the idea for the assassination came from Sheff Edwards seemed to think the mafia (through Maheu, no doubt) approached him.
By this point, the only people, who don't know it was a conspiracy are the ones who are a part of it, "My government right or wrong," and the ones who don't know who JFK was, (90% of the American sleeple).
I realize this is YouTube, and one doesn't get one's hopes up when it comes to the intelligence level of 'Tubers, but do you really think that 90% of Americans don't know who JFK was? Holy shit.
About 20 years from now, I saw a documentary film about the 'shadow' part of the place we can see on the right side of this film. It was about that they discovered (after analyzing the film) some round smoke rings (size=about 1 mtr i diameter, about 3 rings) (at a wood fence there in the shadow, across the street), just like after a rifle/gun was fired. And after I've seen this film, I have never seen it sice that time. Where is that film?
i saw the recent JFK special on discovery channel where they tried to replicate the assassination and they concluded that the shot did in fact come from the school book depository. they were able to rule out the grassy knoll. watch it, it's pretty convincing. also, i was at a club a while back and some lady pulled out a gun; everyone ran away from her. is it really human nature to run towards a person with a gun or away?
When they kill your Common Messiah, fuck yeah it is. Plus, you're misunderstanding your egoic, dualistic mind as human nature. No insult in this response, just wishes for a fattie blunt and higher vibration for you. Peace.
Aight, this was 20 years before I was born anyways, I don't really know much. Just, smart people like us gotta keep in mind the pack mentality of the tame... Hope you found that blunt :D
look into the Nicoletti and Files suggestions. if this was the case, most shots came from behind. have you been to dealey plaza in person? a lot harder to see a man behind that fence from a distance than you think.
Will def be looking into that. And I have not been to the site, but I'm thinking it may be a good idea, just to see it all for myself. Good talk, brotha.
I like how alot of people had their cameras taken from them, what would they have done if the camera phones were out then ?????
spirg 4 months ago
The most dangerous enemy is the one closest to you.
Apoic123 6 months ago
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flatulencer 6 months ago
I like how everyone is running toward the knoll.
GeckoKing44 6 months ago
jfk ruby and oswald all died in the same hospital parkland....
SuperBandstand 7 months ago
@SuperBandstand Not true. jfk died in dealea plaza and oswald died in a car park.
ChristianHolloway7 1 month ago
1:08 !!! Notice how he's shooting the furthermost window of the TSBD, NOT the window that Oswald allegedly fired from. There's an interview here on YouTube, with a guy who insists that he saw a guy with a rifle, in this window, not Oswald's window, just prior to the shooting.
LongLiveOx 8 months ago
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It was a gunman in the TSBD (not Oswald: same floor as Oswald but the window at the opposite end of the building), and a bullet firing mechanism that was built into the glass divider that was between the driver and the Connellys. The grassy knoll was a ruse. Get anyone who may think it's a conspiracy to become distracted and start talking about the "gunman behind the fence" and completely ignore the car itself. They replaced the windshield after the shooting; did they replace the divider?
LongLiveOx 8 months ago
they made it so obvious it was a comspicarcy they even killed oswald 2days later jack ruby was prob hired him 2kill oswald because oswald was probley gunna tell the truth about cia fbi E.T.C all involved in it
shanemcdonnll 9 months ago
People ran to the knoll, but the shots were fired from the book building.
Interesting to note that many films show that building in the end.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 10 months ago
The salient point is that once JFK was killed there was a massive coverup with at least 2 stories given to the media. The coverup tells us that there was a conspiracy.
LowBid86 11 months ago
nothing useful here
hownos 11 months ago
@hownos on the contrary, there is a instant in the movie where the film is damaged. There is another film that is damaged at exactly the same spot and time! This is more that interesting.
yeees123 4 months ago
Whats with the snow in 1:26
TheRevanPotter 1 year ago
In solidarity with the American people -- & all people -- I call on the current president, his surviving predecessors, Congress, and all U.S. & intl. media; on all who spoke/wrote yesterday to honor President Kennedy on the 50th anniversary of his inauguration: to speak/write now to honor & examine, for the benefit of the American people -- & all people -- his Executive Order 11110 & its fate. President Kennedy stood up for all of you. Now who of you will stand up for President Kennedy? Who?????
20jan1961 1 year ago
Note at :26, motorcyle cop H.B. McClain coming into the picture...170 feet from where the HSCA acoustic "experts" said he NEEDED TO BE.
Their words...not mine.
And he wouldn't have reached THEIR position even for the 2nd shot!
pajasa62 1 year ago
the car did slow down to a snail's pace...its one of the early most obvious things about the seconds in Dallas that changed our nation and everyone's life in this modern era, worldwide...forever...
minneapolisfalling 1 year ago
the car did slow down to a snail's pace...its one of the early most obvious things about the seconds in dallas that change our nation and everyone's life in this modern ear, worldwide...forever...
minneapolisfalling 1 year ago
Surely in this day and age they should be able to study that window and (even if they can't identify the person there) detect some movement-as the gunman would have been in position when the sixth floor window is captured in this movie.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
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Here's what the wounding on the right/rear of the head looked like as the limo sped out of Dealey Plaza....
youtube.com/watch?v=WpM1P5TVdDc
Here from two Dealey Plaza films is the moment the wounding on the right rear of the head occurred...
youtube.com/watch?v=igMVdcT3FCo
Here's how the drs/nurses were physically in a position at his head to observe that right/rear wounding
youtube.com/watch?v=0Qc4fhaBoxI
mimusremedium 1 year ago
You know they got tits on youtube, right?
blungo99 1 year ago
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inspectorcritic 1 year ago
Kurt Cobain?
Friedagroper 1 year ago
...meow...
lloron74 1 year ago
isnt it funny how all the cars was so close together all the way through then at the kill point they had fallen back from the presidents car almost like they knew exactly where the kill zone was going to be. and the secret service car in which was right behind the presidents car slowed everybody down to keep from getting hit. johnson had all the security on his car and kennedy had known. kennedy should have not been in the parade.
39tommyboy 1 year ago
i know that there are many tapes just taken away for years and years
never to be seen again
Dr34DKnight13 1 year ago
I wonder how long after the assassination was LHO seen by his coworkers. It seems to me that they would be able to comment about his mood, for instance did he appear to be normal and calm, or was his mood unlike his normal mood after the time of the assassination.
lamja00 1 year ago
You can almost see Oswald in that window as the Limo turns. Chilling.
moboutmen 1 year ago
i think the gun in the window was a cover up, so poeple would think that's how the assassinater shot from cuz the gun wasn't even a good gun for that distance a the shots was seconds after each other
TheSky00001 1 year ago
@TheSky00001 a) it's assassin, not assassinater.
b) you're wrong
incinerator327 1 year ago
The point wasn't so much to get someone into power that would attack Cuba. The point behind Kennedy's death was to ensure the continuance of the Cold War for the profit of the military-industrial complex.
hogger129 1 year ago
and because said documents have been held back for so long, many will believe them to be genuine.
hogger129 1 year ago
When and if those documents ever become available they will do two things. They'll show Oswald to be the lone assassin. And they will show what the Military-Industrial Complex believed to be "dangerous radicals" such as JFK and MLK Jr to be involved in lots of other dirty business.
hogger129 1 year ago
They had to implicate everybody in the assassination so that everybody would participate in the cover up. Everybody was guilty and everybody was afraid to talk about it. The cover up of this is beyond anything anybody could possibly imagine. If there are any documents implicating the government's guilt in this they are most likely destroyed, or replaced by documents with false information that are locked away as I type this and will never reveal anything once released.
hogger129 1 year ago
Howard Hughes had Kennedy killed. Look who his right hand man was - Robert Maheu. The man that had set up the CIA/Mafia relationship. A man who had an extraordinary amount of influence in the CIA and FBI. The guy knew Johnny Roselli very well. If you ask me, he and Hughes were the ones who put the Mafia up to it and the hit men are Corsican Mafia and American Mafia hitmen - as E. Howard Hunt admitted.
hogger129 1 year ago
I believe LBJ and the military Black Operations folks did him in!---He was a threat to their sweet deal they had going on and war in vietnam was a billions of bucks business that they had their hands in the till for------BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF BUCKS FOLKS---CORRUPTION CAN HAPPEN OVER LESS THAN MILLIONS BUT WE'RE TALKING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HERE!!!
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ProtectAus 1 year ago
I hope that in the future they will come up with technology that can focus on the sixth floor on the Hughes film. This is a perfect shot of the building just before the shots rang out. New technology should be able to see if there was anyone there. I hope.
1uneek 1 year ago
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It does appear the window is open, but I would think a figure or maybe even a rifle would have been visible...
revanduyn 1 year ago
@1uneek I've watched these pics many times, along with many others, and I've never seen a rifle in the window. My dad has a book with pics by the police later of Oswalds position. He had boxes stacked up inside the window, I think 4 boxes to hide himself, and 3 boxes right beside to rest his gun. They found a paper sack that had his lunch, it had chicken bones and a pop bottle, along with his rifle. I think he claimed his rifle was curtain rods, to smuggle into the building.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
this nis an appalling bottom of the barrel
copy of the hughes film; the quality is highly diminished and the sixth floor is not visible as it is in the original
SuperDuper010101 1 year ago
I think it was the Generals who plotted againts his own commander in chief...just my opinion
GordonDog17 1 year ago
It sucks that JFK, RFK, MLK were all assassinated. There was a social revolution in western society after, but luckily there was not a second civil war or a political coup. There may have been if the Vietnam War was not such a news distraction and most people realized the wide extent of some members of government's involvement in the assassinations/conspiracies.
busterbone 1 year ago
get one of those ghost whisperers , to walk behind the picket fence, and maybe they can talk to the killers. those pshycics people.
Apoic123 1 year ago
If Hughes only zoomed out, we could have been free from all conspirations.
Midsten 1 year ago
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the CIA has been used by every president kennedy johnson nixon bush to kill i overthrow governments of other countries must end the CIA and its power
the CIA is a murderous criminal organization involved in other countries do not waste time arguing over stupid you have to finish with the CIA is now an embarrassment to america ....
TRUEMAN8919 2 years ago
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jfk assasination...mlk assasination...gulf of tonkin...oklahoma wtc bomb...9/11...antrax attacks...massive destruction weapons,etc..inside jobs!..a great shame for our system...
TRUEMAN8919 2 years ago
It's very likely that the successors to the men who had Kennedy killed have for years started endless rumors and theories in order to deliberately distract and confuse everyone.
FIAT JUSTITIA, RUAT CAELUM
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selatik1 2 years ago
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NormanLowell 2 years ago
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On June 4, 1963, John F Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110. This gave the U.S. Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. This gave the U.S. government back its power to issue currency, while stripping the Federal Reserve's power to loan money to the government at interest
fformaxx 2 years ago
I heard that Kurt Cobain was a real JFK assassination buff. He sort of became obsessed with it after the Oliver Stone film came out and was reported to have paid over a million dollars to a Seattle man for a secret film that showed the gunmen at the fence very clearly.
He bought the film in March of 1994 and was going to reveal it to the world. After a strange call from New Orleans, he left rehab to go home to get the film. We know what happened then.
MrOldSlacker 2 years ago
excuse me man im not doubting the possibility, but where exactly is this info about Kurt to be found because im gonna read about it immediately if you can cite it, or point me in the right direction
runelord37 2 years ago
oh my god, the CIA killed Kurt Cobain too? oh my god, they're probably going to kill me now for putting two and two together!
Edbrooks7707 2 years ago
yes the government loves you and wants to give you a nice warm blanket. Now go back to sleep.
Rewww4 2 years ago
@Edbrooks7707 I think you are safe. The CIA wouldn't kill anyone who was of so little importance.
TrueNovice 2 years ago
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Edbrooks7707 2 years ago
@Edbrooks7707 Do not use ridicule, please state your ideas then your facts. Rule #5 in the rules for radicals is to use ridicule because it is almost immpossible to come back. Ridicule is the strategy for jackass's!!!!
drunkenjerk 1 year ago
Lol. I believe Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA and 9/11 was an inside job, but I cannot buy into the Cobain-JFK connection. Lol. It's fun to speculate about it, though!
MrClipper23 2 years ago
yo dude it's 5th floor that's only visible. maybe it's just your grumpy stomach playing tricks on your mind...
jimmy148able 2 years ago
The 6th floor window is clearly in view at .24 seconds into this film and the window is open.
fillmore593 2 years ago
yea but no one can see a person there
abredell 2 years ago
i don't see no face or person on the windshield... this video doesn't really show anything either
cookiebaer 2 years ago
I would like the Hughes film frames showing the sniper's nest and other windows to get the same attention as the Mary Moorman "badgeman" photo.
siriusspin 2 years ago
siriusspin -- the Hughes film does get the same attention as the "badgeman" photo in Robert Groden's "The Killing of a President" book and both his "Case For Conspiracy" and "JFK Assassination Films" DVDs.
MqtMich 2 years ago
wow
buggo361 2 years ago
is it just me or can we see oswald at the window?
asaf92 2 years ago
It's just you. The highest floor visible (in this video) is the 5th. At best, you'd see Williams, Jarman, or Norman, but even that, I'd be skeptical of, given the video quality.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
In his book Six Seconds in Dallas (1967), Josiah Thompson shows still frames of the Hughes film, which clearly shows a person in the window to the left of the "sniper's nest" just seconds before the shooting. This is really creepy, is it Oswald or someone else? If it is someone else, who is it?
siriusspin 2 years ago
i think its just you. if im not mistaken i dont think it even shows the 6th floor
kruns11 2 years ago
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Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
freedomhill68 2 years ago
The Secret Service are Treasury Agents, Shutter knows this.
HoRuSHoRiZoN 2 years ago
Indeed I do.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
his assination was a fake. he is still alive.
zakman1190 2 years ago
new world order
imanzapire 2 years ago
at 0:14 why is the center building solid white?
stracenerdanny 2 years ago
I know your comment is like...3 months old (sorry) but, just as an answer, really high exposure from the camera + sunlight would have made it that glared to us...
Nothing sinister :P
ijoostin 2 years ago
wow my mom was in the 4th grade when this happened!
salamencemot 2 years ago
Is your mom hot?
robertmastroianni 2 years ago
thats fucking cruel man!!!
Jamie10004 2 years ago
I believe it was suicide. He shot himself and ate the gun as he slouched over.
cheeriopisser2 2 years ago
Hey Dasborg, if you have first hand information you could make a lot of money out of that!! Then again, if you choose to conceal it that makes you an accessory to murder after the fact. Your choice.
wozza1958 2 years ago
Look at these idiotic postings:
Dasborg "I have first hand knowledge that the CIA..." yeah, sure, nice bluff... then he goes into 4 gunman...know about all the earwitness surveys done in Dealey Plaza? Guess not, because it was 136 hearing 3 shots and only 6,SIX! hearing 4 shots. I'll side with the 136 any day of the year because that's the sober consensus. If their were 4 gunman people would be hearing different sounds from all directions and that was NOT the case according to earwitnesses.
pajasa62 2 years ago
I have first hand knowledge that the CIA was behind the assassination of JFK, and that there were at least 4 gunman at Daily Plaza. The motive, Kennedy's attempt to destroy the CIA for the botching of the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Cuba, a botching that was created by Kennedy himself.
Dasborg 2 years ago
JFK assassination is just like 9-11.. There is even more evidence proving 9-11 was an inside job yet the majority of the population either refuses it or has not seen it.. If you watched this video then you really need to look into 9-11.. I know it sounds crazy but the facts and the evidence points to the truth.. Of course, there are two sides to every story but if you look at both sides it becomes quite clear.. There is a reason FBI, CIA, engineers, architects, and scholars are speaking out..
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Jiferon 2 years ago
@jjmurph22290 - 9/11 wasn't an inside job. They let it happen. But same reason. Keep perpetuating the military-industrial complex. Haliburton and all the other people.
hogger129 1 year ago
@hogger129 - ... They wanted it to happen, so they MADE it happen..
jjmurph22290 1 year ago
@jjmurph22290 - I gotta say it was LBJ and his attorney Ed Clark. All the people they hung around with at Del Charro hotel conveniently are all the same people questioned in JFK's murder.
hogger129 1 year ago
@hogger129 Yeh and why are all the outriders on LBJ's car and non on Kennedy's? Not so the people could see the president but because the outriders would prevent the Assassins (plural) from getting a clean shot. And guess who ordered the car for the president to use? Why, that good ol boy LBJ... may he rot in hell!
sludgegulper 1 year ago
@sludgegulper
The car with the outriders isn't LBJ's car. It's the Secret Service followup car. LBJ was in the light blue Lincoln convertible, the third car in the motorcade.
998robk 1 year ago
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about time 50 some guy is walking away from the area
canadamonster 2 years ago
...as well an old woman...interesting that the man is pretty much following in her footsteps.
guitarmon1965 2 years ago
yes, just seems weird everyone one else is running the other way. you would think they would at least be standing still in shock than walking quickly the other way.
canadamonster 2 years ago
there was a video taken of the badgeman but the badgeman pointed his rifle at the man and demanded the film. the badgeman was in tears and shaking when he demanded the film.
canadamonster 2 years ago
See. All they need is few key people to be in on the conspiracy to kill him.
anastasia2657 2 years ago
I agree Oswald did this alone. He was a nut case who tried to kill an Army General a few months earlier. The gun was he, he took off after the killing, murdered a police officer as he tried to get away. After nearly fiftey years, there is no evidence of anyone else helping Oswald do this.
Baldgol4 2 years ago
Yeah, he was a nut case used by military intelligence to act as a decoy mole in Russia so the U.S. could monitor the actions of the KGB which is why he gets in & out of Russia like nobody else. Oswald was heavily involved in Operation Mongoose. The eyewitness testimony of Acquila Clemmons fits Jack Ruby & not Oswald as Tippit's killer because Tippit was Badgeman & he met up with Ruby & Oswald right after the shooting of JFK. Ruby shot Tippit in order to make Oswald the patsy.
bondurango 2 years ago
I agree with you. Oswald killed Kennedy. The History Channel investigation of this was quite compelling. For many years I was convinced there were other shooters, but no more. Oswald had the means, the motive, the opportunity, and the skill set.
danrieke 2 years ago
Spring of 2007: Convicted Watergate burglar and dirty trickster E. Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession to having been the CIA team leader in Dealey Plaza--and operation codenamed "The Big Event" Transcript of the confession at SaintJohnHunt(dot)com Why wasn't this confession promoted on See BS? Jack Ruby had worked for Richard Nixon. Coincidence?
whole2th 2 years ago
even if he was a lone shooter why were jfk's body guards that were supposed to be on the rear of the car ordered to stand down and leave their posts moments before the shots, they would have been in the line of sight.
corrob 2 years ago
They (the Secret Service) were ordered to "stand down" by JFK himself (read a book!) at the start of the motorcade, before they even left Love Field. This was not unusual for JFK, by the way, as he was quite eager to let down his guard and appear as a "man of the people." (he also appeared to realize the futility of protecting the President from a sniper in a window)
It's fair to ask questions, but seriously, do some homework before attempting to drop a "bombshell" here.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
I've seen the film where the SS is told to stand down by the commander in the trailing car; when that happens the officer on the back right is clearly visibly preplexed that he is being told to stand down.
If it was routine & normal, & was the plan all along; how come JFK's SS didn't know about it until after the his car was in motion; & why would his SS be preplexed by normal routine?
Do some thinking, everything someone puts in a book isn't a fact; especially when they hae an agenda.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
The best source for learning about JFK's relationship with the SS is "Death of a President" by Manchester. While it has it has a handful of factual innaccuracies, it offers an intimate view of how JFK and his team dealt with security. While the SS could be said to "err on the side of caution," they were nevertheless beholden to JFK, who "erred on the side of popularity." Individual security protocals were *routinely* left undecided until the last minute, as you can see.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Smelled like a government hit to me from the start
robertmastroianni 2 years ago
I did my homework......the agents that day already stated that President Kennedy did not tell them to stand down. The book you are referring to is "DEATH OF A PRESIDENT" IT'S ALREADY BEEN REFUTED BY CLINT HILL MY FRIEND. CLINT HILL RODE ON THE BACK OF THE LIMO. LOOK AT CERTAIN FILMS OF THE MOTORCADE.
norr4636 2 years ago
OK, perhaps I misspoke when I attributed the "stand down" quote to Kennedy. But as long as you are quoting Clint Hill, note his WC testimony that a week earlier, the SS team was *specifically* admonished by the president NOT to stand on the rear step of the limo during motorcades. Instructions were given to Agent Boring, who passed it to the others. In a very LITERAL sense, they were told to stand down by JFK. (W.C. Hearings vol. 2) Evidently, the confused agent seen here didn't get the memo.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Clint Hill (and I believe Kellerman) did ride on the back step at 4 or 5 occasions during the motorcade, but only during times when the crowds were extra thick, requiring the motorcycle escorts to fall back. Read Hill's WC, and he is very clear about what the protocol was that day, as well as the order by JFK that they avoid riding on the back step of the limo.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
First of all Kellerman was the agent in charge in the front seat. Second, Clint Hill testimony and floyd Boring said to Vincint Palamara that President Kennedy never gave an order like that......I can't reveal my name but I work for the SS, and have done research into the detail's role that morning. WC testimony is ligit......but Boring did recanted his statement 30 years later and Gerald Behn who was the head of the whole detail wasn't aware of this order. James Rowley wasn't either.
norr4636 2 years ago
That document was release to throw off blame on the President of the US for our failure. I say our failure because I am now part of the Service. Like I said before Gerald Behn wasn't aware of this, and 30 years later Boring stated he (President Kennedy) did not order him to tell agents to ride on the rear. Agent was riding on the rear in Miami on November 18, 1963, supposedly when President Kennedy told Agent Boring to tell those agent to get off....IT WAS NEVER SAID
norr4636 2 years ago
I'm sure you are a good man and I'm ready for this debate. I have done research through college and now in the service as a special agent in the PRS section. I don 't believe in a wide conspiracy but the format of that whole motorcade was FUCKED UP FROM THE START. Allowing that 90 degree turn instead of going straight on main street still bothers me. I am young but have intensely studied the whole assassination.
norr4636 2 years ago
I appreciate your ferver, and your candor. Your concerns about the motorcade route are suprisingly easy to dispell. The way the Dealy Plaza triple underpass worked, at that time, was such that, if you wanted to enter the Stemmons Freeway, toward the Trade Mart (as the Motorcade required) you would HAVE to use Elm Street, because Main Street was prevented from accessing the far-right entrance ramp via a concrete lane divider.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Further, norr4636, I agree that the format of the motorcade was F'ed up...in retrospect. Monday morning quarterbacking, shall we say. It's clear that Kennedy in general (and on this trip, specifically) wanted to be a "man of the people" and keep the SS out of the way. The route was chosen (with the hairpin turn) out of necessity, but the SS figured it was within their abilitiy to protect the target. The motorcade had slowed down to 10mph many times that day, so this was nothing extraordinary.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Ok.....I don't know if you are Gary Mack but if you are nice try. I appreciate your ferver in this matter also. Like I said before, I truly don't see how President Kennedy caused his own death when most of the agents didn't react to the first shots before the fatal shot, Greer slowed the car down to a snail pace until the fatal head wound. Kellerman in the front seat didn't jump from the front to protect even hearing the Gov. screaming "they going to kill us all". The cars were very close
norr4636 2 years ago 7
im 24 and this has always bothered me. being the modern era as it was, knowing everything about how many enemies the kennedys had esp being in dallas how is it that no one reacts until his head is literally blown off? jackie did more to help then any of a mutli million $ protection agency. its sickening and frusterating to watch. i think that there were high ups in the gov pentagon and military involved. those who werent involved must have thought we must cover up to avoid a revolution
pat442389 2 years ago 12
@pat442389 LOL Try to remember you and I are at best, armchair historians. You and I have the luxury of running Zappruder's little film OVER and OVER again. We get to watch Oswald get shot in slow-motion OVER and OVER again!
You have the perspective of history and the benefit of CLOSE UP and HIGH TECH-FRAME STABLIZATION. I know it's hard, but try to remember: nobody knew what the first shot was. It missed. The next two shots happened in less than 10 seconds! What would YOU have done, Sherlock?
FrlghtWolf 1 year ago
@pat442389 read " reclaiming history" by vincent bugliosi. He was a police investigator on the scene of the assasination and became a world famous prosecuting attorney. He bases this book on FACTS that Oswald was the lone assasin. Oswald was stopped on the streets of dallas because he figured correctly that he was seen with a gun in the window by people on the ground. As for the presidents protectors, JFK could be alive today if the driver of the limo stepped on the gas, instead he STOPPED.
baseballeddie1177 1 year ago
@baseballeddie1177 no he wrote the book like any prosecutor would trying to argue that oswald, and only oswald could have killed kennedy. he picks what evidence and witness testimony fits and discards what doesnt. he ignores the dallas drs, gives no motive for why oswald would do this, doesnt describe how the cops got oswalds description and totally whitewashes many credible witnesses including kennedy staffers who thought shots came from the front. k odonnel states "it was an ambush"
pat442389 1 year ago
@pat442389 either you didnt look over the book or u r an idiot. He addresses every topic u mentioned. The book is the complete factual account of the assasination. The scene was echo chamber, hundreds of people interviewed had many opinions of the number of shots and their origins, but 80% aggreed on 3 shots and from the book bldg. Folks on the ground seen oswald in the window and gave description to police. Why was Oswald on the run anyway ? The only employee to leave work unexpected that day
baseballeddie1177 1 year ago
@baseballeddie1177 so the witnesses who heard shots from the book depository are correct and can be trusted (even more if they say they saw oswald shooting, which no1 did) more than the witnesses who said shots came from the knoll? and the knoll witnesses are in some weird "echo chamber?" oswald had no reason 2 kill JFK. he went to russia as a fake defector for navy intel. just like other cadets did during those days. he was given $ 2 come home &never arrested or question. that sounds weird 2 me
pat442389 1 year ago
@pat442389 right here on youtube, view the testimony of Howard Brennan and eye witness to the last and deadly shot of JFK. As for Oswald's reasons-who gives a damn about that ? Why did he kill Tippet and attempt to kill another policeman in the movie theater ? A crazy murderous ,demonic,suicidal low life pig -hows that ?
baseballeddie1177 1 year ago
@baseballeddie1177 Quick question? How can u give a description of someone from the ground when you are looking at a sixth floor window? Oswald's height and weight was given. Once again i ask how can u tell how tall or how much someone weighs when you are looking up from the ground inside a room? Hmmm....
lilsneekybxny182nd 1 year ago
@lilsneekybxny182nd Many of the DPD members in 1963 were criminals. Even the controlled fag felon, JE Hoover (FBI Director), was a criminal. There are videos of this with people in law enforcement calling him that.
About the DPD cop that put out the broadcast, this particular asshole took over the dispatch duty just for that Nov 22 day from the female dispatcher. She was given tickets to attend the luncheon to remove her. The dispatch asshole cop is on another video. You can tell he is lying.
lonenutsareliars 1 year ago
@pat442389 I think its because it happened so fast. Keep in mind that the average person back then was not like the average person these days. Sex murder violence and the like wasent everyday house hold entertainment the way it is these days, people really didnt expect what happened there to happen, thats one of the reasons this was SUCH a BIG deal. It actually ripped the covers off of the american public and screamed "WAKE UP! ALL IS LOST!!" It CHANGED this country forever.
blastingcaps 1 year ago
This is an older comment, but I'll address it now. In the Altgens photo, a majority of the agents in the follow up car were seen to be looking back after the 1st or 2nd shot (depending on your theory) Clint Hill made a beeline for the Limo after the first shot. Rufus Youngblood covered Johnson after the first shot. Kellerman radioed within seconds.I agree that the SS may have (as a group) failed in their duties, but some of the responsibility has to fall on JFK's previous "keep away" orders.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
@norr4636 Yes, and jackie said to family that her nanny would have done a better job protecting the president. The secret service of the vice president jumped on top of LBJ after the first MISSED shot, JFK's secret service did nothing even after he was hit. Not to excuse conduct but the mental state was a more innocent era - until that moment. i beleive that crime unleashed a world of evil like a pandoras box, a bold and unspeakable crime right in front of everyone.
baseballeddie1177 1 year ago
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@baseballeddie1177 "Not to excuse conduct but the mental state was a more innocent era - until that moment. i beleive that crime unleashed a world of evil like a pandoras box, a bold and unspeakable crime right in front of everyone.
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yep.
blastingcaps 1 year ago
@norr4636 Greer shot the president watch other footage and you can see him put a gun over his shoulder and shoot JFK
limabeing 1 year ago
@limabeing Please...that was a sun reflection...both hands were on the wheel of the car
norr4636 1 year ago
@norr4636 my bad see that now
limabeing 1 year ago
One thing I have learned, the President doesn't tell the Secret Service what it can or can not do......he can request. I in turn as an agent stationed in the United States, I always do my homework on advance work before the President or any body in the line of succession comes to any city. SA Lawson did his job for the trip but failed to discontinue the windows openings, the motorcade route should not have been publish. Especially DALLAS,TX
norr4636 2 years ago
That may in fact be true now, Norr, but it's clear from the statements given in 1963 and 1964 that the SS, while upholding its duties, was still ultimately beholden to the President. If he said "back off," they sure as hell did, or they'd find themselves investgating counterfeit bills in Alaska.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
GOOD POINT
norr4636 2 years ago
Thank you for your dialog, here and elsewhere, Norr4636. I hope I've made an impression on you, at least on this one point. Granted, there are dozens of other areas of concern to those interested in the assassination, but at least on this point, I hope I have made an impression, especially as it appears to relate to your chosen career in particular. Once again, good luck to you.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Sam Kinney, Gerald Behn, Roy Kellerman.....the agent in charge in dallas, also refuted those wild claims blaming President Kennedy for his own death.
norr4636 2 years ago
Oswald shot and killed Kennedy.
No one else was involved.
There is no proof that there was another shooter.
No proof at all.
Sorry, but Lee Oswald did it.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 2 years ago
To say there's no proof of another shooter ignores the proof used by the House Select Committee on Assassinations ruling that there was a conspiracy. Denial is not a river in Egypt. If you think they're wrong, prove why, i.e. put up or shut up.
bondurango 2 years ago
well, actually the Select Committee didn't use evidence or present evidence to suggest there was another shooter. Look at the files the FBI just released; the Government was released all 'Classified' information including the infamous fourth tape.
cpearson123 2 years ago
Well, actually, they did. HSAC performed acoustic tests in combination with evidence derived from the dictabelt recording obtained from the Dallas Police Department in which a police officer's radio mic was open during the shooting which confirmed the presence of a "fourth" shot coming from the grassy knoll which the HSAC concluded had missed. I am aware of an infamous fourth tramp, Oswald's cellmate James Elrod, but not aware of any "infamous fourth tape". Please elaborate.
bondurango 2 years ago
Dwight D. Eisenhower. (pat44...). The CIA operated many covert operations in the late 50s and 60, such as Op..AJAX, Op. PBSuccess, and other Cout d'etats, and a failed Bay of pigs (where this plot was planned before kennedy was in office, he learned of it 9 days after entering the WH. and was opposed of it, but went along with it)
SkullFir3 2 years ago
your right and he also was never going to start the veitnam war which pissed off the military indus complex which is funny because thats exactly what eisenhuar (cant spell) warned against as he left office in 1960
pat442389 2 years ago
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that was indside job = ( CIA + FBI + MOSSAD killed KENNEDY)... for israel's middleasia stragedy !! .... how ?.... israel has steal to arabian area at 1948 and wanted creat big deal middleasia operation... but kennedy did not permi to israel... he knew= israel will be dangerously for middleasia and for all world then did not permi any israel operation... then israel goverment took a decision = killing KENNEDY !!... that is all !!
cemalettinyanik 2 years ago
there diffenitly was more than one shooter. on the fatal head shot were his head explodes, notice the 1st shot witch does the explosion of the skull. #2 comes only about .8 miliseconds later witch causes his head to move back and him to lean over dead, because that shooter was at a different angle (ahead of the limo). so one shot from the rear (the oswald guy) and 1 shot from the front witch causes jfks head to move back and to the side. also notice one agent wasnt riding behind jfk to gaurd em
Jackreaper6 2 years ago
John Kennedy shot by CIA agents as he ordered them to close their training camps down so Bush
wanted him dead. The failed Bay of pig invasion was done without consent with Kennedy. Oswald was not the lone assassin. Secret agents not allowed to ride with him, his doctor not allowed to come on the trip or his head of NSA. It was one big setup. The driver didn't drive off fast until Kennedy was dead. His body was later mutilated so no one would know about the other shooters.
jpsmart59 2 years ago
A man named JC Price was on the roof of a building in Dealey Plaza and saw a man running from the picket fence around behind the TSBD building.There were also witnesses that saw men running from the TSBD building.Of course they were all ignored.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago 2
mikemoair is absulutly right!
the film shows actually no one running up the grassy knoll (as some guy are still suggesting).
This can be seen even mor clearly in the Bell film of the assasination because he has the better position and has filmed the events in direct following of the shooting.
Judge for yourself and do not belief all nonsens people are saying!
74Feanor 2 years ago
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JFK GOT OWNED!!!B00M HEADSHOT!
alexcool994 2 years ago
i see people running to the scene, but absolutely nobody running up the grassy knoll? just me? look again my fellow babies its the right ta ta but the wrong ho ho
mikemoair 3 years ago
The beginning of the film shows shocking truth...everyone runs to the grassy knoll and not to the depository...grassy knoll, grassy knoll...wonder why that is??
sammyw72 3 years ago
Cause they are stupid like you.
gaserjd 3 years ago
Following the sounds of gunshots is stupid? Let me guess, if you had been there you would've known instantly, because you are soooo smart. You would've been shouting "Oswald! Oswald!" and pointing to the School Book Depository. Yes, how impressed we would've been by your reactions that day, had you been there.
Nominay 3 years ago 8
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Ever heard of an echo?
gaserjd 3 years ago
@Nominay - The amount of gunshots is irrelevant. However many assassins there were, Kennedy was killed and the assassins achieved their goal. I don't think Oswald had anything to do with it at all. Makes more sense he really was a patsy from the get-go.
hogger129 1 year ago
@hogger129 The gunshot sounds are not irrelevant insomuch as multiple ones preclude one man firing them alone from that window from that building.
I've never seen any circumstantial evidence that would suggest that Howard Hughes had anything to do with this. Is he even so much as on record hating Kennedy? There's been a more compelling case that Carlos Marcello was the impetus behind this.
Nominay 1 year ago
@Nominay - The smoking gun is the guy that worked for him. Robert Maheu. Maheu knew Johnny Roselli and Carlos Marcello. Maheu could likely have put Roselli and other mobsters up to it. Santo Trafficante, Jr as well.
hogger129 1 year ago
@hogger129 So Maheu knew him. So? Giancana thanked him for never talking about what he new, not necessarily for what he did. Since when did mobsters ever shoot sniper style in bright afternoon where a public crowd has formed with police around? I think Steve Revele got a bad rap for his Kennedy assassination docu. Not everything fell apart from his claims and research, far from it.
Nominay 1 year ago
@Nominay - Maheu was hired by the CIA organize the relationship between them and the Mafia. He was also former FBI and worked on CIA counter-intel operations and worked for Hughes. It's obvious he was in bed with the Mafia. Just because mobsters never used a high-powered rifle in broad daylight doesn't mean they don't do it. There are lots of unanswered questions about people in DP that day. Most likely they were wearing police uniforms or suits and popped out fake credentials when questioned.
hogger129 1 year ago
@Nominay - And just because the Mafia is known for doing up close shots with pistols doesn't mean they are incapable of sniping with rifles. Do you simply believe that because Olive Stone said it in his movie? The moorman photograph proves someone was on the GK with a police uniform on. He shoots, tosses the rifle into the trunk of a car while everyone's in a panic. Puts on his hat and acts busy as everyone rushes up the hill. Same for all the other shooters.
hogger129 1 year ago
@Nominay - And Hughes and Maheu could be as guilty as anyone else. That's the way they wanted this to happen. They implicated everybody as to confuse investigators and because everyone had some level of guilt in it all, they would perpetuate the conspiracy to save themselves. What's to say General Edwin Walker (the guy Oswald took a shot on) didn't do it with his 24th Infantry from Munich, Germany? His men could pull it off. They had motive. It would give legal and religious/political control.
hogger129 1 year ago
@Nominay - Towards the end of his book, Maheu brags that Giancana thanked him for never talking about the CIA/Mafia plots. This is b.s. Maheu had been talking about his involvement for years in order to avoid prosection on wiretapping charges, etc. Giancana himself bragged about his own involvement. It seems likely that the "thanks" was for not talking about something else.
hogger129 1 year ago
@Nominay - Maheu is the reason why everyone thinks it was the CIA. Maheu was a perfect CIA cut-out. When Maheu approached Roselli about Castro, Roselli immediately thought it was for the CIA when it really wasn't - yet. The Lorenz/Sturgis attempt on Castro preceded official CIA operations by months.
hogger129 1 year ago
@Nominay - Who else could have gotten them to do it? -Maheu. Which leads me to believe Hughes is behind it, too. Strangely, no one at the CIA could remember where the idea for the assassination came from Sheff Edwards seemed to think the mafia (through Maheu, no doubt) approached him.
hogger129 1 year ago
By this point, the only people, who don't know it was a conspiracy are the ones who are a part of it, "My government right or wrong," and the ones who don't know who JFK was, (90% of the American sleeple).
chickenmcthug 3 years ago
I realize this is YouTube, and one doesn't get one's hopes up when it comes to the intelligence level of 'Tubers, but do you really think that 90% of Americans don't know who JFK was? Holy shit.
lucienpsinger 2 years ago
About 20 years from now, I saw a documentary film about the 'shadow' part of the place we can see on the right side of this film. It was about that they discovered (after analyzing the film) some round smoke rings (size=about 1 mtr i diameter, about 3 rings) (at a wood fence there in the shadow, across the street), just like after a rifle/gun was fired. And after I've seen this film, I have never seen it sice that time. Where is that film?
petereuropa 3 years ago
cool
profitprophet368 3 years ago
i saw the recent JFK special on discovery channel where they tried to replicate the assassination and they concluded that the shot did in fact come from the school book depository. they were able to rule out the grassy knoll. watch it, it's pretty convincing. also, i was at a club a while back and some lady pulled out a gun; everyone ran away from her. is it really human nature to run towards a person with a gun or away?
texdaddy123 3 years ago
When they kill your Common Messiah, fuck yeah it is. Plus, you're misunderstanding your egoic, dualistic mind as human nature. No insult in this response, just wishes for a fattie blunt and higher vibration for you. Peace.
DropThought 3 years ago
agree to disagree
texdaddy123 3 years ago
Aight, this was 20 years before I was born anyways, I don't really know much. Just, smart people like us gotta keep in mind the pack mentality of the tame... Hope you found that blunt :D
DropThought 3 years ago
look into the Nicoletti and Files suggestions. if this was the case, most shots came from behind. have you been to dealey plaza in person? a lot harder to see a man behind that fence from a distance than you think.
texdaddy123 3 years ago
Will def be looking into that. And I have not been to the site, but I'm thinking it may be a good idea, just to see it all for myself. Good talk, brotha.
DropThought 3 years ago
every show you see on American tv is to convince you that Oswald did it.Check out "Operation Mockingbird" and see how its all controlled by the CIA.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago