Videos like this present a serious ethical problem. It tells teachers to spend their valuable time using a concept (MI) that has never been shown to improve student learning. That MI has no support is widely known, and this information is easily available to any responsible, diligent adult. What's the difference between: a) recommending an unsupported concept to folks with real educational needs and, b) a doctor giving only sugar pills to a patient who could benefit from proven medicine?
Read, "The Bell Shaped Curve"; a book title. Then you will have one bit of your propaganda package debunked. 60% of what you believe is the result of paid propaganda.
This is an elaborate, artificial and false attempt to solve the "problem" of the African Americans who test at IQ90; on many, many tests. It's much worse in Africa. If you're a card carrying socialist liberal and you don't like the results of Darwinian Evolution, and they don't; you can just keep arguing. It's all bullshit. My IQ 145, SAT 800 out of 800, in 1959 before they dumbed down the test. You've been lied to all your life; they are not equal. Chinese are smarter than white Europeans.
@PATSICK I would love to see some evidence for your claims. I do not think IQ or any other standardized test can measure anyones "intelligence." As was said in the video some people may exhibit other sorts of intelligence. Primarily, I think what causes people to perceive women (and asians) to do better in school is their emphasis on graphoria, aka pen and paper speed. I have sources: look up johnson occonor, or viability of IQ to find out more.
@PATSICK And how did that work out for you? Did dominating a test help you in your life long pursuit? Are you more successful as those with an IQ that is lower than yours? I am inclined to say no. Therefore, your comment is rather irrevelent isn't it?
Interesting. On the subject of math I was terrible at doing sums in my head, but yet give me a calculator and some basic understanding of rules and I was able to problem solve my way out of ridiculous situations, something my teacher would often say.
He might have been about to say 'misadventure' then changed his mind, said 'accident', but it came out as 'missile accident'? You can do a quiz on Mutliple Intelligences on my blog at 'how to study method' dot com
He might have been about to say 'misadventure' then changed his mind as 'accident' and it came out as 'missile accident'. LOL. You can read more about Mutliple Intelligences on my blog 'how to study method' dot com
Deciding to call them intelligences instead of talents or something is brilliant! That's really what makes the theories valuable to people, to give help us realize that he is talking about ways of learning and giving everybody's unique minds the respect they deserve.
@PeterAnimator You're right, it is brilliant. I once asked Gardner why he called his book "Multiple Intelligences" He told me, "If I'd called it multiple abilities, it would have sold zero copies." That certainly tells us a lot about his real motivation.
Note that a financial interest in the spread of an idea is one of the hallmarks of pseudoscience. What I love MI is using it to teach about pseudoscience, it's a nearly perfect example.
Hmm real motivation? Maybe to get his ideas out there? If nobody reads the book then that means the ideas don't spread. All science today needs these gimmicks to get attention, from proving string theory in quantum physics to exploring time travel/special relativity. That's why stuff like that always has a cool and dynamic name.
@LeeMIlby Legitimate ideas about education are put "out there" by presentations at juried conferences and peer-reviewed journals. This is a very important process as it allows folks who have no financial interest - but do have great expertise in the proposed idea - to help the most valid, worthy ideas get into text books and teacher-training curricula. Note that this is exactly what is missing from MI "theory."
Our school children deserve effective teaching not pseudoscience.
*shrug* Most of what they already teach is flawed anyway, so why not use school as a place to throw ideas around and give kids the chance to do this kind of research themselves?
I've taken this test before, and really it seems like a personality test. They basically just ask you what you like to do, and ask your opinion on what your good at. Somebody who's tone deaf may think that they are good at playing the piano, but this is not necessarily the case. That's what I think is flawed with this system, I wish there was some way to actually verify if that person is as smart in that particular category as they claim they are.
I think this makes perfect sense. I've worked with teens in an alternative school and you see it all the time - kids who have to paint, sculpt or play an instrument to be engaged. People are very complex and we've done a disservice by letting them leave school thinking they aren't smart enough to be successful at their passion.
You know whats the problem with people who are "book smart"? most of them become too close minded, and thats what i see by looking at all these retarded comments. All he is saying is that what works for one person might not work for another. For ex. I might good at science and math but fail a history class. Not everyone is good at everything. You can be a great composer of music but the worse at being an architect. It is common sense! Ppl want to be intelligent but dont want to listen. <sad
@roxcee730prospectz It's sad that school and colleges nowadays want you to be good at everything in order to recieve their diplomas or degrees instead of letting these children, teens, and adults, specialize and choose what they are interested in. I mean alot of time gets wasted when people are forced to learn something that they have no interests in. I understand the need to be well rounded, but alot of that time should be dramtically reduced.
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@LastHonestOutlaw: How so? You could be right, but you'll need to explain. Until you explain your statement, it is as completely worthless as any other, and can in fact be damaging. Explanations are required in public debate.
@JesterAzazel: He was throwing the idea out out-of-hand, and ridiculing it in a public forum. This can be personally damaging to his own intellectual development and to others who view the comment and are pressured into seeing the idea as an object of ridicule. Believe it or not, stuff like that happens all the time.
His intellectual development could very well be screwed up already..
Others who see his comment and take it seriously without knowing why have their own problems..
I know stuff like that happens, but people are entitled to their opinions and are free to post them in public forums.. And you're free to tell him what you think of his opinion, but don't get too upset over it.. There are people that will deny ANYTHING.. Even Germ Theory..
Wow this is weird... I actually formed this very theory with the same name when I was a sophomore in high school. I never had heard of it anywhere else before right now and I randomly stumbled upon this video. I even made a big list of all the things that made up intelligence and attempted (keyword there, attempted) to figure out a better way of measuring all these different types of intelligences than the traditional IQ test. Im going to do more research on this.
I think this theory makes sense and humanity needs to open the doors to advancement before its too late but what i don't like is people talking about theories instead of implementing them in order to show that it works sadly that's the only way people will listen.
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Much to Gardner's dismay, the more traditional intelligences of the multiple intelligences (mathematical, visual and linguistic abilities) inter-correlate to a significant degree, reinforcing the notion of a general factor of intelligence. His inclusion of the ability to move one's body rythmically and make pretty music, for instance, as forms of "intelligence" consistutes an attempt to dilute the traditional definition of intelligence, something that most psychometricians disapprove of.
i think he already knows that. it would not be to his "dismay" as that more "traditional" definition is exactly what he is challenging...and i agree with him: motion, emotion, "pretty music" making ability, etc all originate with the mind, just like "mathmatical, visual and linguistic abilities", so what really should keep them from being thought of as intelligence(s)? and no, its not "an attempt to dilute the traditional def. of intelligence" its an attempt to change it.
@Tartersauce101 To what end? Most people do not associate the concept of intelligence with inter-personal, intra-personal, rythmic and music production abilities. His addition of those skills seems to me to be rather arbitrary, and perhaps more importantly, would serve to erode the capacity of intelligence tests to predict educational attainment, economic status, welfare dependency, criminality, substance abuse, job performance and illegitimacy.
personal abilities affect a persons life. iq is an innacurate predictor; environmental factors way far more heavily. why is predicting anything about anyone via intelligence tests important at all? great genius past and present have been affected by substances. job performance? that is work ethic and unrelated to iq. illegitimacy?? i hardly know what to say to that, but intelligence does not equal moral fiber, or low libido. iq measures a certain potential, that is all.
@Tartersauce101 Your comment suggests to me that you haven't reviewed the available data. IQ scores are highly predictive of educational attainment and economic status for individuals of all socio-economic levels. Aptitude tests, most of which are heavily g-loaded, are highly predictive of employee productivity and employer satisfaction in many cases, although the significance of these tests declines with the level of difficulty of the job concerned.
@gunman806 IQ is a significant factor in causing illegitimacy and teenage pregnancy, as well as deliquency and substance abuse. It's worth noting that intelligence is influenced by genetic factors AND environmental factors, however variation between individuals within developed countries is caused mostly by the former.
@gunman806 I'm not pulling any of this out of my ass. All of the claims I've made are well-supported by the existing psychological, criminological and sociological literature, most of which can be accessed through Google Scholar.
@gunman806 Also, I don't wish to give the impression that IQ is the only determinant of future success. It is one of the principal determinants, but there are other significant variables as well. Certain personality traits, such as conscientiousness, profoundly affect educational attainment and employability, psychopathy and testosterone levels are significant variables in causing criminality and incarceration, and physical attractiveness is of minor importance in the case of female success.
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I agree with Mr Gardner theory of multiple intelligences. He has opened up a lot of minds, and has also helped mankind to stop lumping everyone in the same batch, so to spead
I'm a teacher trainee..It is somewhat difiicult to understand what he realy means..but anymway these details really help me to do my psychology studies..thanks
1.- the "group" intelligence, that whic is shared by the whole humanity. Something which has been conqered, developed and is available.
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2.- the multiple intelligence into "One" single consciousness, into one person such as the so called avatars (Christ, Buddha etc). Someone who has conquered all life (society) conditions (maybe just his/her personal society group i.e community). Therefore such person has them all "inside" his consciousness
intelligence is amorphous and impossible to quantify abstractly. If it was something linear and we only possessed varying degrees of it, we'd possess only varying depths of the same objective perceptions on everything. Everyone I've ever met perceived life and all herein in different ways and it's obvious that the space in every individual's experiential inventory is limitless.
My digital, concrete, linear, non-organic mind cant accept that i can not put everyone into bar-coded boxes no matter how many boxes and labels i make. Oh newton and his blasted curves and an object with multiple curves sheesh. I guess calculus is not for everyone. Neither is, from reading some of the previous posts, the concrete concept of multiple definitions for the word missile easy to fathom. Yes, yes, for some i know, what does 6 feet have to do with anything ah?
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wow im lucky i have double crowns i have very extremely high level of intellegence. sorry for grammar im not from the u.s. one thing i hate dough is when theres a lot of people in college who say they are smart when all they do is learn and know shit. ok that is book smart. no one cares about book smart because if CIA is booksmart and runner is high iq and street smart, then cia will never outsmart him/her. i dont know anyone with my level of intelligence and i feel other ppl are fken retards
@originaltbyrd they were only a complete asshole because they were more intelligent then you which made you jealous and you were a total irrelevancy to such person.
@iBabyBrewer if you mean it as a compliment thank you, if a remark i suppose i could be but i find myself to be smarter then the rest or at least a common knowledge base.
@asdjabkd Yeah, I know what you mean. I believe myself to be a clever person but my ability to write essays/do well in tests is not as good as other people. The education system should really take this into account and compose questions based on different schools of thought.
Its been six months now since I asked, Can anyone provide even a single article from a serious journal or a paper from a juried conference that documents a link between the use of MI in school and improved performance?
No one has provided even ONE of these.
I dont intend this as a criticism of those who discuss MI (thats important); rather, its an accurate picture of the lack of valid support for MI.
@chrismca what sort of evidence are you looking for? Is it the obvious fact that people with extraordinary learning skills can't do well on a brick/blanket test? Or is it the obvious fact that schools and athletic institutions historically tend to specialize on different disciplines in order to accomodate people with different mental skills?
@teenspirit1 The only worthwhile evidence would come from valid studies of MI.
It would use the basic tools of science that have helped fields such as medicine, materials, communications, etc. to make the great advances that they have. These tools are: random assignment, control groups, appropriate double-blind procedures, and completion by people without a financial interest in the outcome. In the science of education these are the very basics.
Yet no published study of MI has each of them. Not one.
We need these tools because our limited human perceptual and reasoning skills lead us astray too easily (See books by Joe Hallinan or Michael Shermer) Without their use we might use obvious facts that are wrong (Simple example: Go outside and see with your own eyes that the earth is clearly bigger than the sun) - to make erroneous education policies. Until MI is tested properly, claims about its value belong to the earth-sun sort.
Does anyone still actually believe in this? That there is correlation between tests measuring different abilities has virtually debunked this theory, as it demonstrates that there is a common factor measured when intelligence is being tested.
in my opinion intelligence has literally nothing to do with how people usually define a smart person. like he said talents are talents and people may have some others wont be good at. the true defenition of intelligence to me is how well you utilize your common sense. not how well you memorized a math formula or could even read a book. logic is true intelligence, not just knowledge
u are mistaking ethic with inteligence like m im gonna call u an idiot for saying tha( that proves i have no ethic bvc i dont respect ur opinion ) and yes i dont bc sutupidity needs to be corrected and not respected! but i do am inteligent my iq is 14 wich it is considered superior inligence.. but i aint a genious wich requires 140-150
Yeah, i agree on that. I took a iq test once and my little brother tried to beat me, he was just a few points under, think I got 124. He got a quite high score being just 11 taking the same adult test as me. But apparently that iq didn't give him any advantage in common sense, as he took the very same test later and got a higher score than me of 129. So proud when he came running yelling he's smarter than me, until I explained to him how taking the very same iq test twice isn't valid!
A true IQ test is based on 'higher level reasoning'. An 'intelligent' person, by these standards, can actually have lower than average math and language skills. The reason for this, is that a person who is excellent at math is really only carrying around a good calculator in their head. This advanced calculator can have little bearing on whether or not they can actually reason intelligently. It only means they have a good 'calculator'.
We dont use calculators for everything in math, only to add and multiply and some logarithms, but someone who is really good in maths can actually reason intelligently
@adths63 I'm sure you're done with your project now, so I'd be very interested to know whether your teacher required you to discuss the lack of worthwhile evidence for MI, or whether you were allowed to discuss just the "what people wish was true" writing about MI. Let me know, I'd be very interested.
' The more I spent with these two population's' and thats where it will fall apart when adapted by schools of training, because that is what needs to be applied when working with people..time...and in the real world it doesnt happen, everything is done by the hour, thats what is needed..a new logic from treatment agencies that say ' it's ok to work with a person long enough to meet their needs, not short enough to suit our's'
tremurr . The problem with all these grades and things like them, that are designed to grade a persons intelligence, is that they in no way reflect how that person reacts to real life.Giving up education to start work, all to help ur mum and 3 young brothers, feck you are a hero to me. Your life experiences and the love you have for your family make you a Master of life and the real reasons we should learn to live for You are already a success, far more than most will ever be. Thankyou.
It's an interesting speculation, doesn't seem very revolutionary, or even like a new idea.. but I can see where he's going with it. I feel situations in life can have the largest impact on a persons ability to "appear smart". For example, I'm 20, and I'm just working on getting my grade 12 now, I still have 12 credits to go. That gives off the impression that I'm a fuckin' idiot. I had to drop out of school to work and help my mom raise my 3 little brothers.. Life situations....
The person In question could've been some distance from the missile. The term "missile" can be referred to a wide range of projectiles, like a brick for example.
as far as using your body or your mind, why not do both? try for a sports scholarship if you want and major in something intellectual....if you dont pan out well enough for using your body you will have an intellectual degree to fall back on and if you like both theres no loss...good day sir.
to think there must be something inherently wrong with you...avoidant personality disorder generally goes through one of two extremes, passive, or agressive...the "asshole" kids you mentioned would be agressive you would be passive.
screaming retard, there really is no normality..only greater and lesser degrees of acceptability...you're not abnormal though..just suffering cognitive dissonance about your self perception..holding contradictive ideas etc While its none of my business i would wonder if your fear of judgement and peer criticism stems from harsh criticism at home? Sometimes the sense of needing to fit in or belong can come from a constantly changing, uncertain homelife or being ignored so much that you start
@florencelovme Or accidentally drop a missile on your head while lifting it under a plane wing or onto a launch pad (maybe the missile crane or lift thingie was out of order or being used by someone else) :P
@kiki201022 Yes, one must consider distance from the missile explosion and cover between you and the missile. There are other factors, but I know that these two are the main factors.
my mom was abused in every way as a child and is scared of psychatrists that will make her remembe. so ya im kinda in shit.. ...well at least im not ugly..im trying so hard to just speak in school. my mind is filled with great philosophy and other good shit hahah. im 17 ..so ya help?any suggestions could help.. i dnt have much to lose
ok. avoidant personality disorder is what i think i have. i have all the symptoms except im not one of those scary asshole kids haha..im really quiet and worry about what people think about me. i think about how i will hopefully just wake up one day and not feel self conscious about everything about me. but i never do. its the same old shit everyday and it sux.. anyone know anything about this? please help me . i cant rely do much about with my dumb parents. my dad is in the pursuit of normality
hey, im 17 and i have some social anxiety and probably depression(or have been labled as having) and im just different than others my age...why is this....ugh im like obsessed with how my mind works and other philisophical shit....but im also an awesome athelete..i dnt know what to do..i guess i dnt know wether to use my mind or body for my future..im scared and confused..anyone know anything on this subject?
Dear friend, I am the same in a different way, don't worry, learn to know yourself, what you may have is a different biochemical brain balance, find a good psychiatrist, he may find what chemical product your brain needs to keep your emotion level OK, we are as racing cars, different tuned, we need to be tuned to enjoy life. I found that we are sensitive minds.
Learn to be your best friend and love yourself. To be not so social is not bad, just find few good friends.
thanks.. now its horrible. basketball has started. social anxiety against all these asshole type athlete personality kids..i love to play basketball but i work twice as hard being stressed the whole time...hoping i dnt mess up. there is this one kid that intimidates me so much and i dnt know why..its fukin weird. im quiet and stuff at school but he nvr talks to me. . only a good job on the sports feild evry now and then.i hope my quietness and anxiety dosent give the people the idea im a retard.
just keep a strong attitude, ignore him, he wants to bother you, ignoring him will be his failure, find a strong friend using youre quiet manners, a strong friend will give you support and confidence, fnd a big guy for your protection, I am a small guy, I had the same problems, my father taught me, don't use force, use your brain, be smart and laugh inside.
thanks. haha im like the biggest guy in my class. but ya ill work on it.with basketball the only thing i can worry about is running and being tired anyway. i gotta look at the good things. my coach has swine flu, and ill be starting every game.ok. i got this
Thanks Dr. Gardner. You've been helping so many teachers to aproach their pupils properly and so many students to develop all their intelligences and become better and better learners. Thank you very much!
A) These criticisms of traditional IQ are little more valid than the theory scientifically unsupported nonsense Gardner proposes to replace it.
1.First, the logic-abstraction problem, Gardner offers nothing empirical here nothing. Gardner makes his usual claims in Gardner, Feldman, and Krechevsky(1998), but offers no results just the same unsupported assertions.
2. By what standard are definitions of intelligence are narrow? Just consider Newell & Simons. Or examine Cattells or
B) Sternbergs unlike Gardners claims, these theories are supported by evidence.
3.Similarly, theyre not arbitrary. Traditional tests include an array of 10-12 very different tasks that have evolved over the years. More importantly, traditional IQ correlates strongly with school success and life success on many and varied measures. If MI captures import aspects of human functioning, then why NO evidence of a relationship with even factors that Gardner might select?
i think this is closer to the traditional way of measuring human capabilities.
a theory of "interest" must be elaborated and both should be integrated. what i mean is to see self interests as a filter that passes through these M.I. its really difficult to explain why a person is interested in something, what came first to generate that interest? the reward of a prior experience or just something un-explainable that attracts to it?
Put your heads together and still look like....Am also wondering why its called gathering intelligences. u make social skills sound like a something special. r u clinging to social skills? Its understandable being in a position you are in. My mother says Africans and indiens are far by the most intelligent creatures to walk this planet.
Gardner's opinions do not even rise to the level of being scientific because he fails the basic test of "publicness." As just one example, he is not sufficiently clear to the scientific community about how one identifies an "intelligence." For example, his putative "naturalistic intelligence" does not meet the criteria that he himself sets out for an intelligence; yet, he has claimed that emotional intelligence does not count as an intelligence even though it does meet his criteria.
Well, IQ theorists are certainly clear about what intelligence is, and they have painted quite a narrow and arbitrary picture of the quality. IQ only holds validity, if one chooses to agree with the rather convenient assumptions it's proponents have long uphold...........
2) The constancy of intelligence throughout a lifetime. (as opposed to a temporally dynamic model)
3) The assumption we are dealing with a quality that is predominately genetically determined.
IQ tests are certainly biased, because they are based on an 'intelligence' protocol, that depends on 'these' postulates. Worse it's proponents almost always offer arguments that are so blatantly tautologically flawed, it suggests a matter of social bias.
I have always wondered about this Howard Gardner's theory is taught in my textbooks at my school...but there is no psychology degree without passing mathematics. Why not can a student not use all of the other inteligences to understand ideas?
Wow...I think I just ruined my reputation on this site! Voidtraveler21, you definitely make sense. I was quite ignorant when I posted my comments and was viewing things from a biased, political angle (hard to believe, I know). Anyway, yes Voidtraveler21, my social skills are fairly weak and I have been humiliated, but that really wasn't my intent for bashing MIT theory. I guess I just have some fears about MIT being used for some liberal's political agenda...yikes!!
your mind cant survive without a body... Social intelligence is needed for survival...AND IT IS -intelligence-!!. everything is controled by the brain and if there is scale to say some one is better than you at something what else would it be but intelligence... your just mad becouse its a blow to your nerd ego, and you have no social ability's i feel bad for you QUIXOTIC
HOW DOSE SOCIAL ABILITY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE?? WAS YOUR QUESTION...... AND THE Answer IS IN THE VIDEO... SOCIAL ABILITYS USE DIFFRENT AREAS OF THE DOME... what your Adovcateing is neglecting parts of your own brain wtf is wrong with you... how would u like it if a football player said your dumb becouse u have no coordination? o wait they do say that about nerds like you. and there just as wrong as you are, when u say shit like that about them.... LOL @ U
You know what...EQ, SQ, AQ..whatever you want to call these things correlate strongly with ones personality/temperment than anything else. Personality traits/preferences are not forms of intelligence. FUCK AMERICA and the hyper-emotional idiots who make up these things so that you must bow to them and help them on their mission for world peace.
Also, how on earth does being social have anything to do with intelligence???!!! Most of the most intelligent/ talented/original people I know are introverts and would probably score low on "intrapersonal intelligence".Being social, in my opinion, is a waste of brain cells and time. And don't get me started with "kinesthetic intelligence." Anyone can run, jump, etc if they want to and some are better than others at sports....but with practice, I'd say most people can become reasonably athletic.
You misunderstand. It has little to do with simply being social, but your understanding of socialization and motives. For example, sociologists would most likely have a higher interpersonal intelligences. Also, you are mixing up the terms inter- and intra-. Interpersonal is your understanding of reactions between people; inter- is understanding yourself (such as a psychologist would). Kinesthetic is not as simple as moving around, but solving problems with your body. Actually do research first.
I agree that MIT is shit! More than half of the 8 "intelligences" are not forms of intelligence, but rather, personality traits. To delineate, interpersonal and intrapersonal "intelligence" would be germane models of this as intrapersonal correlates strongly with those who are more social in nature, hence more likely to be extraverts. Same with interpersonal which s more strongly associated with introverts. Not that extraverts and introverts are restricted to inter/intrapersonal but..
in my theory i think anyone who can't think logically has a psychological disorder, not to say they are not intelligent but logic has nothing to do with intelligents
Logic is something we depend on. Without any basic or elementary logic we can't perceive anything. Without any basic logical ability we can't have so much as one single perception. Pretty much all we do is, to some degree or another, affected by our logical ability. Some areas require higher logical ability than others. If you have a good logical ability, and are motivated enough, you can learn how to use your logical ability to properly handle most aspects in life. End of story.
Logic is over-rated, and I'd bet that a plethora of Nobelists would agree with this. Logic without abstraction is useless, unless of course, society doesn't want it that way.
4. Since Newell et al. emphasize problem solving, and life presents us with problems, where's the tautology?
5. No one claims IQ is constant across the lifespan - many discuss the degree to which this is true.
But, dont just take my word for this - read Waterhouses 2006 paper available on the web.
Read widely on both sides of this issue, and look at the evidence that is and is NOT there. Its the only way for education to shake off these resource-absorbing fads.
Most Advocates of traditional IQ testing, habitually, present the public with (albeit not exclusively) tautological arguments in favor of the measurement. The 'class; of problems which IQ tests measure almost entirely rely on long term memory retrieval and short term memory capacity. The former, largely a function of the latter.
The 'problems' on conventional measures either present themselves: A) as problems with known (or granted) solutions, in which the subject needs only to apply or B) as 'tasks', which should not be considered problems at all.......Everything has been carefully designed so that the subject need not rely on what is known as 'fluid processing skills'.
In effect, we have been provided with a very narrow picture of human intelligence.
Fluid intelligence (or Gf), has been a topic of more recent research, and a large body of data has revealed individual discrepancies between IQ scores and Gf performance. These discrepancies reveal themselves on tests of working memory capacity, and tests of fluid problems solving ability (eg the Raven's Matrices, which is inarguably, the most legitimate wide-scale measure of Gf). Gf itself is comprised of a small suite of sub-skills which have been looked at independently.
All said, I won't say that IQ is a useless measure. It is definitely component to reasoning ability, and in itself, can 'usually' be taken as a good indicator of a person's intelligence. But neither from a philosophical or biological point of view is IQ an end all to discussion. In a nutshell, the data coming forward suggest, differential rates of development. So the 'law' of intellectual constancy has been violated.
You can take the official multiple intelligences test online.
I have a 91 ranking for Linguistics, 42 for Mathematical, 71 for musical, 75 for interpersonal, and Bodily-Kinesthetic: 57.
I agree with Linguistics and Interpersonal. Musical however I was expecting receive a 57 versus a 71, just because I don't think I'm that good at music.
As for the 42 for mathematics I agree. Its always been my weakness.
well THAT by definition should be a smart person, but some people are amazing at some things and some are terrible at others. are they smart, dumb, or average?
MI is a proven theory and works in the classroom. Most of us have known someone who is not successful in school--where traditional intelligence is targeted--yet are extremely successful and talented in life.
My experience in the accelerated learning field has indicated that many people have benefited from simply understanding that there is so much more to intelligence than what we were led to believe during our school years. I have seen people make a dramatic shift in their self image, resulting in greater self confidence in the workplace and at home.
Arrogant pseudo intellect has the audacity to write a book on obvious human nature??.. Please?? Akin, to what I pulled out of my ass. Stupidity is a birthright, Learning is life. All cut from the same cloth. The great minds are formed, not inherent. Genealogy helps, but is not a prerequisite.
my special son entered a multiple intellegence school in the Phils (child's place)... honored as well to have been visited by dr. howard as well... is there a mi book that i can buy and apply at home.. thank you for posting this
I suggest starting with Howard Gardner's 2006 book, Multiple Intelligences: New Horizons. It's a book that presents an overview of MI concepts and some interesting practical applications on a global education level. While it was not written from the perspective of attempting to raise a child with a MI approach, it still should provide a good foundation point in MI thinking from the man himself.
Yeah frames of mind is a good one to start with you can get a nice cheap one off of Amazon. I meet Dr. Gardner at a seminar he's amazing. My mom studied under him at Harvard graduate school of education. He' one of my biggest heros. I've struggled in the academia sphere I'm glad there MI schools out there. Would have been nice to gone to one but now I'm a college student in my second year of college focused on law.
Videos like this present a serious ethical problem. It tells teachers to spend their valuable time using a concept (MI) that has never been shown to improve student learning. That MI has no support is widely known, and this information is easily available to any responsible, diligent adult. What's the difference between: a) recommending an unsupported concept to folks with real educational needs and, b) a doctor giving only sugar pills to a patient who could benefit from proven medicine?
chrismca 3 months ago
Read, "The Bell Shaped Curve"; a book title. Then you will have one bit of your propaganda package debunked. 60% of what you believe is the result of paid propaganda.
PATSICK 5 months ago
This is an elaborate, artificial and false attempt to solve the "problem" of the African Americans who test at IQ90; on many, many tests. It's much worse in Africa. If you're a card carrying socialist liberal and you don't like the results of Darwinian Evolution, and they don't; you can just keep arguing. It's all bullshit. My IQ 145, SAT 800 out of 800, in 1959 before they dumbed down the test. You've been lied to all your life; they are not equal. Chinese are smarter than white Europeans.
PATSICK 5 months ago 2
@PATSICK I would love to see some evidence for your claims. I do not think IQ or any other standardized test can measure anyones "intelligence." As was said in the video some people may exhibit other sorts of intelligence. Primarily, I think what causes people to perceive women (and asians) to do better in school is their emphasis on graphoria, aka pen and paper speed. I have sources: look up johnson occonor, or viability of IQ to find out more.
thief224 4 months ago 2
@PATSICK
Chinese are smarter than white Europeans?! And just how do you plan on justifying a claim like that? Give me a break...
Darthmaio 3 months ago
@PATSICK And how did that work out for you? Did dominating a test help you in your life long pursuit? Are you more successful as those with an IQ that is lower than yours? I am inclined to say no. Therefore, your comment is rather irrevelent isn't it?
xxMafia101 4 days ago
Interesting. On the subject of math I was terrible at doing sums in my head, but yet give me a calculator and some basic understanding of rules and I was able to problem solve my way out of ridiculous situations, something my teacher would often say.
TheBiddleMan 6 months ago
Humanity fails.
baditudedude 6 months ago
Any statement from a human talking about humanity is flawed, for humans are flawed.
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He might have been about to say 'misadventure' then changed his mind, said 'accident', but it came out as 'missile accident'? You can do a quiz on Mutliple Intelligences on my blog at 'how to study method' dot com
brainpowersmartstudy 9 months ago
He might have been about to say 'misadventure' then changed his mind as 'accident' and it came out as 'missile accident'. LOL. You can read more about Mutliple Intelligences on my blog 'how to study method' dot com
brainpowersmartstudy 9 months ago
I'd love to see this extension of science develop.
AngeloNiklis 9 months ago
Deciding to call them intelligences instead of talents or something is brilliant! That's really what makes the theories valuable to people, to give help us realize that he is talking about ways of learning and giving everybody's unique minds the respect they deserve.
PeterAnimator 10 months ago
@PeterAnimator You're right, it is brilliant. I once asked Gardner why he called his book "Multiple Intelligences" He told me, "If I'd called it multiple abilities, it would have sold zero copies." That certainly tells us a lot about his real motivation.
Note that a financial interest in the spread of an idea is one of the hallmarks of pseudoscience. What I love MI is using it to teach about pseudoscience, it's a nearly perfect example.
chrismca 8 months ago
@chrismca
Hmm real motivation? Maybe to get his ideas out there? If nobody reads the book then that means the ideas don't spread. All science today needs these gimmicks to get attention, from proving string theory in quantum physics to exploring time travel/special relativity. That's why stuff like that always has a cool and dynamic name.
LeeMIlby 8 months ago
@LeeMIlby Legitimate ideas about education are put "out there" by presentations at juried conferences and peer-reviewed journals. This is a very important process as it allows folks who have no financial interest - but do have great expertise in the proposed idea - to help the most valid, worthy ideas get into text books and teacher-training curricula. Note that this is exactly what is missing from MI "theory."
Our school children deserve effective teaching not pseudoscience.
chrismca 8 months ago
@chrismca
*shrug* Most of what they already teach is flawed anyway, so why not use school as a place to throw ideas around and give kids the chance to do this kind of research themselves?
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chrismca 8 months ago
I've taken this test before, and really it seems like a personality test. They basically just ask you what you like to do, and ask your opinion on what your good at. Somebody who's tone deaf may think that they are good at playing the piano, but this is not necessarily the case. That's what I think is flawed with this system, I wish there was some way to actually verify if that person is as smart in that particular category as they claim they are.
CommunityCam 10 months ago
I think this makes perfect sense. I've worked with teens in an alternative school and you see it all the time - kids who have to paint, sculpt or play an instrument to be engaged. People are very complex and we've done a disservice by letting them leave school thinking they aren't smart enough to be successful at their passion.
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markus24q 1 year ago 3
You know whats the problem with people who are "book smart"? most of them become too close minded, and thats what i see by looking at all these retarded comments. All he is saying is that what works for one person might not work for another. For ex. I might good at science and math but fail a history class. Not everyone is good at everything. You can be a great composer of music but the worse at being an architect. It is common sense! Ppl want to be intelligent but dont want to listen. <sad
roxcee730prospectz 1 year ago
@roxcee730prospectz It's sad that school and colleges nowadays want you to be good at everything in order to recieve their diplomas or degrees instead of letting these children, teens, and adults, specialize and choose what they are interested in. I mean alot of time gets wasted when people are forced to learn something that they have no interests in. I understand the need to be well rounded, but alot of that time should be dramtically reduced.
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danielcooper1000 1 year ago
Complete and utter Quackery.
LastHonestOutlaw 1 year ago
@LastHonestOutlaw: How so? You could be right, but you'll need to explain. Until you explain your statement, it is as completely worthless as any other, and can in fact be damaging. Explanations are required in public debate.
Eagle0600 1 year ago
@Eagle0600
Relax, he wasn't trying to debate he was just giving his opinion..
How can that kind of opinion be damaging anyway???
JesterAzazel 1 year ago
@JesterAzazel: He was throwing the idea out out-of-hand, and ridiculing it in a public forum. This can be personally damaging to his own intellectual development and to others who view the comment and are pressured into seeing the idea as an object of ridicule. Believe it or not, stuff like that happens all the time.
Eagle0600 1 year ago
@Eagle0600
His intellectual development could very well be screwed up already..
Others who see his comment and take it seriously without knowing why have their own problems..
I know stuff like that happens, but people are entitled to their opinions and are free to post them in public forums.. And you're free to tell him what you think of his opinion, but don't get too upset over it.. There are people that will deny ANYTHING.. Even Germ Theory..
JesterAzazel 1 year ago
Wow this is weird... I actually formed this very theory with the same name when I was a sophomore in high school. I never had heard of it anywhere else before right now and I randomly stumbled upon this video. I even made a big list of all the things that made up intelligence and attempted (keyword there, attempted) to figure out a better way of measuring all these different types of intelligences than the traditional IQ test. Im going to do more research on this.
LotusDragon09 1 year ago
I think this theory makes sense and humanity needs to open the doors to advancement before its too late but what i don't like is people talking about theories instead of implementing them in order to show that it works sadly that's the only way people will listen.
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loganbrennan 1 year ago
Much to Gardner's dismay, the more traditional intelligences of the multiple intelligences (mathematical, visual and linguistic abilities) inter-correlate to a significant degree, reinforcing the notion of a general factor of intelligence. His inclusion of the ability to move one's body rythmically and make pretty music, for instance, as forms of "intelligence" consistutes an attempt to dilute the traditional definition of intelligence, something that most psychometricians disapprove of.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806
i think he already knows that. it would not be to his "dismay" as that more "traditional" definition is exactly what he is challenging...and i agree with him: motion, emotion, "pretty music" making ability, etc all originate with the mind, just like "mathmatical, visual and linguistic abilities", so what really should keep them from being thought of as intelligence(s)? and no, its not "an attempt to dilute the traditional def. of intelligence" its an attempt to change it.
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101 To what end? Most people do not associate the concept of intelligence with inter-personal, intra-personal, rythmic and music production abilities. His addition of those skills seems to me to be rather arbitrary, and perhaps more importantly, would serve to erode the capacity of intelligence tests to predict educational attainment, economic status, welfare dependency, criminality, substance abuse, job performance and illegitimacy.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806
personal abilities affect a persons life. iq is an innacurate predictor; environmental factors way far more heavily. why is predicting anything about anyone via intelligence tests important at all? great genius past and present have been affected by substances. job performance? that is work ethic and unrelated to iq. illegitimacy?? i hardly know what to say to that, but intelligence does not equal moral fiber, or low libido. iq measures a certain potential, that is all.
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101 Your comment suggests to me that you haven't reviewed the available data. IQ scores are highly predictive of educational attainment and economic status for individuals of all socio-economic levels. Aptitude tests, most of which are heavily g-loaded, are highly predictive of employee productivity and employer satisfaction in many cases, although the significance of these tests declines with the level of difficulty of the job concerned.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806 IQ is a significant factor in causing illegitimacy and teenage pregnancy, as well as deliquency and substance abuse. It's worth noting that intelligence is influenced by genetic factors AND environmental factors, however variation between individuals within developed countries is caused mostly by the former.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806 I'm not pulling any of this out of my ass. All of the claims I've made are well-supported by the existing psychological, criminological and sociological literature, most of which can be accessed through Google Scholar.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806 Also, I don't wish to give the impression that IQ is the only determinant of future success. It is one of the principal determinants, but there are other significant variables as well. Certain personality traits, such as conscientiousness, profoundly affect educational attainment and employability, psychopathy and testosterone levels are significant variables in causing criminality and incarceration, and physical attractiveness is of minor importance in the case of female success.
gunman806 1 year ago
LMFAO this guy is majorly cross eyed!
RHCPfan458 1 year ago
@RHCPfan458
My science teacher was crossed-eyed aswell. He was nominated the best teacher by in my municipality here in sweden, and he rightfully deserved it! :)
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BladedArrowTBGamer 1 year ago
I agree with Mr Gardner theory of multiple intelligences. He has opened up a lot of minds, and has also helped mankind to stop lumping everyone in the same batch, so to spead
DeeClazzic 1 year ago
i beleive there is some kinda general smartness, and wiseness
Zee96969696 1 year ago
I'm a teacher trainee..It is somewhat difiicult to understand what he realy means..but anymway these details really help me to do my psychology studies..thanks
ishhoney 1 year ago
Howard Gardner is a genius.
awdemers 1 year ago
? If I was tested at the age of 13 , 1992 would that IQ test be acuret?
vidreoo 1 year ago
Multiple Intelligence has 2 angles to be seen.
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1.- the "group" intelligence, that whic is shared by the whole humanity. Something which has been conqered, developed and is available.
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2.- the multiple intelligence into "One" single consciousness, into one person such as the so called avatars (Christ, Buddha etc). Someone who has conquered all life (society) conditions (maybe just his/her personal society group i.e community). Therefore such person has them all "inside" his consciousness
theavatarstudy 1 year ago
intelligence is amorphous and impossible to quantify abstractly. If it was something linear and we only possessed varying degrees of it, we'd possess only varying depths of the same objective perceptions on everything. Everyone I've ever met perceived life and all herein in different ways and it's obvious that the space in every individual's experiential inventory is limitless.
ApexBozo 1 year ago
My digital, concrete, linear, non-organic mind cant accept that i can not put everyone into bar-coded boxes no matter how many boxes and labels i make. Oh newton and his blasted curves and an object with multiple curves sheesh. I guess calculus is not for everyone. Neither is, from reading some of the previous posts, the concrete concept of multiple definitions for the word missile easy to fathom. Yes, yes, for some i know, what does 6 feet have to do with anything ah?
masluxx 1 year ago
I have obsessive dreams... It must be because I am intelligent in that ... area.
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HeavyweightThinker 1 year ago
wow im lucky i have double crowns i have very extremely high level of intellegence. sorry for grammar im not from the u.s. one thing i hate dough is when theres a lot of people in college who say they are smart when all they do is learn and know shit. ok that is book smart. no one cares about book smart because if CIA is booksmart and runner is high iq and street smart, then cia will never outsmart him/her. i dont know anyone with my level of intelligence and i feel other ppl are fken retards
asdjabkd 1 year ago
@asdjabkd you know what? every person i ever met who told me how smart they are was 1. actually very smart. 2. a complete and total asshole.
originaltbyrd 1 year ago 40
@originaltbyrd John Lenonn said "smart is only someone who is aware of how smart they are"
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Sharm127 1 year ago
@Sharm127 that's the socratic paradox the began all paradoxes, dude
ApexBozo 1 year ago
@originaltbyrd they were only a complete asshole because they were more intelligent then you which made you jealous and you were a total irrelevancy to such person.
chudaluver1 7 months ago
@chudaluver1 so i assume you are a genious?
iBabyBrewer 7 months ago
@iBabyBrewer if you mean it as a compliment thank you, if a remark i suppose i could be but i find myself to be smarter then the rest or at least a common knowledge base.
chudaluver1 7 months ago
@iBabyBrewer It's spelled genius
SacredSocietyAP 2 months ago
@asdjabkd Yeah, I know what you mean. I believe myself to be a clever person but my ability to write essays/do well in tests is not as good as other people. The education system should really take this into account and compose questions based on different schools of thought.
EvilPieMaKer 1 year ago
Its been six months now since I asked, Can anyone provide even a single article from a serious journal or a paper from a juried conference that documents a link between the use of MI in school and improved performance?
No one has provided even ONE of these.
I dont intend this as a criticism of those who discuss MI (thats important); rather, its an accurate picture of the lack of valid support for MI.
chrismca 1 year ago
@chrismca what sort of evidence are you looking for? Is it the obvious fact that people with extraordinary learning skills can't do well on a brick/blanket test? Or is it the obvious fact that schools and athletic institutions historically tend to specialize on different disciplines in order to accomodate people with different mental skills?
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chrismca 1 year ago
@teenspirit1 The only worthwhile evidence would come from valid studies of MI.
It would use the basic tools of science that have helped fields such as medicine, materials, communications, etc. to make the great advances that they have. These tools are: random assignment, control groups, appropriate double-blind procedures, and completion by people without a financial interest in the outcome. In the science of education these are the very basics.
chrismca 1 year ago
Yet no published study of MI has each of them. Not one.
We need these tools because our limited human perceptual and reasoning skills lead us astray too easily (See books by Joe Hallinan or Michael Shermer) Without their use we might use obvious facts that are wrong (Simple example: Go outside and see with your own eyes that the earth is clearly bigger than the sun) - to make erroneous education policies. Until MI is tested properly, claims about its value belong to the earth-sun sort.
chrismca 1 year ago 3
Does anyone still actually believe in this? That there is correlation between tests measuring different abilities has virtually debunked this theory, as it demonstrates that there is a common factor measured when intelligence is being tested.
Ejexion 2 years ago
in my opinion intelligence has literally nothing to do with how people usually define a smart person. like he said talents are talents and people may have some others wont be good at. the true defenition of intelligence to me is how well you utilize your common sense. not how well you memorized a math formula or could even read a book. logic is true intelligence, not just knowledge
xtMitchellx 2 years ago
u are mistaking ethic with inteligence like m im gonna call u an idiot for saying tha( that proves i have no ethic bvc i dont respect ur opinion ) and yes i dont bc sutupidity needs to be corrected and not respected! but i do am inteligent my iq is 14 wich it is considered superior inligence.. but i aint a genious wich requires 140-150
MigueDog 2 years ago
Yeah, i agree on that. I took a iq test once and my little brother tried to beat me, he was just a few points under, think I got 124. He got a quite high score being just 11 taking the same adult test as me. But apparently that iq didn't give him any advantage in common sense, as he took the very same test later and got a higher score than me of 129. So proud when he came running yelling he's smarter than me, until I explained to him how taking the very same iq test twice isn't valid!
fuunguus 1 year ago
A true IQ test is based on 'higher level reasoning'. An 'intelligent' person, by these standards, can actually have lower than average math and language skills. The reason for this, is that a person who is excellent at math is really only carrying around a good calculator in their head. This advanced calculator can have little bearing on whether or not they can actually reason intelligently. It only means they have a good 'calculator'.
You are right.
VegetoStevieD 1 year ago
maths are not only 2+2 or 10x10..
nojomen2 1 year ago
never said it was
VegetoStevieD 1 year ago
We dont use calculators for everything in math, only to add and multiply and some logarithms, but someone who is really good in maths can actually reason intelligently
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Ibanezsarge 1 year ago
Uh?
nojomen2 1 year ago
Im taking psychology in highschool right now and have to do a project on him, its very interesting
adths63 2 years ago
@adths63 I'm sure you're done with your project now, so I'd be very interested to know whether your teacher required you to discuss the lack of worthwhile evidence for MI, or whether you were allowed to discuss just the "what people wish was true" writing about MI. Let me know, I'd be very interested.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
' The more I spent with these two population's' and thats where it will fall apart when adapted by schools of training, because that is what needs to be applied when working with people..time...and in the real world it doesnt happen, everything is done by the hour, thats what is needed..a new logic from treatment agencies that say ' it's ok to work with a person long enough to meet their needs, not short enough to suit our's'
magnetandsteel020 2 years ago
tremurr . The problem with all these grades and things like them, that are designed to grade a persons intelligence, is that they in no way reflect how that person reacts to real life.Giving up education to start work, all to help ur mum and 3 young brothers, feck you are a hero to me. Your life experiences and the love you have for your family make you a Master of life and the real reasons we should learn to live for You are already a success, far more than most will ever be. Thankyou.
magnetandsteel020 2 years ago
awesome comment.
magnetandsteel020 2 years ago
It's an interesting speculation, doesn't seem very revolutionary, or even like a new idea.. but I can see where he's going with it. I feel situations in life can have the largest impact on a persons ability to "appear smart". For example, I'm 20, and I'm just working on getting my grade 12 now, I still have 12 credits to go. That gives off the impression that I'm a fuckin' idiot. I had to drop out of school to work and help my mom raise my 3 little brothers.. Life situations....
TreMurr 2 years ago
Where in the world did he find an adult that had been damaged by a missle?
liarchic 2 years ago
haha I was wondering about that too :P It's missile btw
stiiigert 2 years ago
The person In question could've been some distance from the missile. The term "missile" can be referred to a wide range of projectiles, like a brick for example.
wilkoman3 2 years ago
as far as using your body or your mind, why not do both? try for a sports scholarship if you want and major in something intellectual....if you dont pan out well enough for using your body you will have an intellectual degree to fall back on and if you like both theres no loss...good day sir.
mitzyfrankz 2 years ago
to think there must be something inherently wrong with you...avoidant personality disorder generally goes through one of two extremes, passive, or agressive...the "asshole" kids you mentioned would be agressive you would be passive.
mitzyfrankz 2 years ago
screaming retard, there really is no normality..only greater and lesser degrees of acceptability...you're not abnormal though..just suffering cognitive dissonance about your self perception..holding contradictive ideas etc While its none of my business i would wonder if your fear of judgement and peer criticism stems from harsh criticism at home? Sometimes the sense of needing to fit in or belong can come from a constantly changing, uncertain homelife or being ignored so much that you start
mitzyfrankz 2 years ago
Did he really say missile acident? Is it possible to live from that?
kiki201022 2 years ago 37
@kiki201022 yes you can have missles explode next to you and get brain damage, its very common in the u.s. military
RDpapichulo 1 year ago
@kiki201022 he means a missile ,such as a bullet or a nail gun accident..
kooodeal 1 year ago
@kiki201022 yes, you could be injured by fragments of a missile.
florencelovme 1 year ago
@florencelovme Or accidentally drop a missile on your head while lifting it under a plane wing or onto a launch pad (maybe the missile crane or lift thingie was out of order or being used by someone else) :P
nappaa 1 year ago
@kiki201022 Yes, one must consider distance from the missile explosion and cover between you and the missile. There are other factors, but I know that these two are the main factors.
DoomExtreme1 1 year ago
@kiki201022
The term missile can refer to arrows or several other kinds of projectiles.. People just don't generally use the term that way anymore..
JesterAzazel 1 year ago
@kiki201022 yep
joshuabrowning 11 months ago
@kiki201022 he used the term missile as a ballistic in any form... as in a bullet, or a rock...
CreepX 9 months ago
my mom was abused in every way as a child and is scared of psychatrists that will make her remembe. so ya im kinda in shit.. ...well at least im not ugly..im trying so hard to just speak in school. my mind is filled with great philosophy and other good shit hahah. im 17 ..so ya help?any suggestions could help.. i dnt have much to lose
TheScreamingRetard 2 years ago 2
ok. avoidant personality disorder is what i think i have. i have all the symptoms except im not one of those scary asshole kids haha..im really quiet and worry about what people think about me. i think about how i will hopefully just wake up one day and not feel self conscious about everything about me. but i never do. its the same old shit everyday and it sux.. anyone know anything about this? please help me . i cant rely do much about with my dumb parents. my dad is in the pursuit of normality
TheScreamingRetard 2 years ago 2
Hahaha he said promulgated. Hahaha.
DAILEYericCaryUSA 2 years ago
hey, im 17 and i have some social anxiety and probably depression(or have been labled as having) and im just different than others my age...why is this....ugh im like obsessed with how my mind works and other philisophical shit....but im also an awesome athelete..i dnt know what to do..i guess i dnt know wether to use my mind or body for my future..im scared and confused..anyone know anything on this subject?
TheScreamingRetard 2 years ago
Dear friend, I am the same in a different way, don't worry, learn to know yourself, what you may have is a different biochemical brain balance, find a good psychiatrist, he may find what chemical product your brain needs to keep your emotion level OK, we are as racing cars, different tuned, we need to be tuned to enjoy life. I found that we are sensitive minds.
Learn to be your best friend and love yourself. To be not so social is not bad, just find few good friends.
al2bmw 2 years ago 4
thanks.. now its horrible. basketball has started. social anxiety against all these asshole type athlete personality kids..i love to play basketball but i work twice as hard being stressed the whole time...hoping i dnt mess up. there is this one kid that intimidates me so much and i dnt know why..its fukin weird. im quiet and stuff at school but he nvr talks to me. . only a good job on the sports feild evry now and then.i hope my quietness and anxiety dosent give the people the idea im a retard.
TheScreamingRetard 2 years ago
just keep a strong attitude, ignore him, he wants to bother you, ignoring him will be his failure, find a strong friend using youre quiet manners, a strong friend will give you support and confidence, fnd a big guy for your protection, I am a small guy, I had the same problems, my father taught me, don't use force, use your brain, be smart and laugh inside.
al2bmw 2 years ago 2
thanks. haha im like the biggest guy in my class. but ya ill work on it.with basketball the only thing i can worry about is running and being tired anyway. i gotta look at the good things. my coach has swine flu, and ill be starting every game.ok. i got this
TheScreamingRetard 2 years ago
Thanks Dr. Gardner. You've been helping so many teachers to aproach their pupils properly and so many students to develop all their intelligences and become better and better learners. Thank you very much!
madanagopala 2 years ago
A) These criticisms of traditional IQ are little more valid than the theory scientifically unsupported nonsense Gardner proposes to replace it.
1.First, the logic-abstraction problem, Gardner offers nothing empirical here nothing. Gardner makes his usual claims in Gardner, Feldman, and Krechevsky(1998), but offers no results just the same unsupported assertions.
2. By what standard are definitions of intelligence are narrow? Just consider Newell & Simons. Or examine Cattells or
chrismca 2 years ago
B) Sternbergs unlike Gardners claims, these theories are supported by evidence.
3.Similarly, theyre not arbitrary. Traditional tests include an array of 10-12 very different tasks that have evolved over the years. More importantly, traditional IQ correlates strongly with school success and life success on many and varied measures. If MI captures import aspects of human functioning, then why NO evidence of a relationship with even factors that Gardner might select?
chrismca 2 years ago
i think this is closer to the traditional way of measuring human capabilities.
a theory of "interest" must be elaborated and both should be integrated. what i mean is to see self interests as a filter that passes through these M.I. its really difficult to explain why a person is interested in something, what came first to generate that interest? the reward of a prior experience or just something un-explainable that attracts to it?
neoideo 2 years ago
i mean closer than the traiditional wat... sorry for bad english lol
neoideo 2 years ago
Put your heads together and still look like....Am also wondering why its called gathering intelligences. u make social skills sound like a something special. r u clinging to social skills? Its understandable being in a position you are in. My mother says Africans and indiens are far by the most intelligent creatures to walk this planet.
Igottehpowr 2 years ago
Gardner's opinions do not even rise to the level of being scientific because he fails the basic test of "publicness." As just one example, he is not sufficiently clear to the scientific community about how one identifies an "intelligence." For example, his putative "naturalistic intelligence" does not meet the criteria that he himself sets out for an intelligence; yet, he has claimed that emotional intelligence does not count as an intelligence even though it does meet his criteria.
chrismca 2 years ago
Well, IQ theorists are certainly clear about what intelligence is, and they have painted quite a narrow and arbitrary picture of the quality. IQ only holds validity, if one chooses to agree with the rather convenient assumptions it's proponents have long uphold...........
zadeh79 2 years ago
1) The definition of what problems are.
2) The constancy of intelligence throughout a lifetime. (as opposed to a temporally dynamic model)
3) The assumption we are dealing with a quality that is predominately genetically determined.
IQ tests are certainly biased, because they are based on an 'intelligence' protocol, that depends on 'these' postulates. Worse it's proponents almost always offer arguments that are so blatantly tautologically flawed, it suggests a matter of social bias.
zadeh79 2 years ago
emotional maturity doesnt have much to do with intelligents
harryscrotum007 2 years ago
I have always wondered about this Howard Gardner's theory is taught in my textbooks at my school...but there is no psychology degree without passing mathematics. Why not can a student not use all of the other inteligences to understand ideas?
recoverypsychologist 2 years ago
I most highly enjoyed taking the multiple intelligence test.
According to my results I'm logical intelligent, Interpersonal Intelligent, and musical intelligent.
TheUniverse3000 2 years ago
Wow...I think I just ruined my reputation on this site! Voidtraveler21, you definitely make sense. I was quite ignorant when I posted my comments and was viewing things from a biased, political angle (hard to believe, I know). Anyway, yes Voidtraveler21, my social skills are fairly weak and I have been humiliated, but that really wasn't my intent for bashing MIT theory. I guess I just have some fears about MIT being used for some liberal's political agenda...yikes!!
quixoticmind16 2 years ago
your mind cant survive without a body... Social intelligence is needed for survival...AND IT IS -intelligence-!!. everything is controled by the brain and if there is scale to say some one is better than you at something what else would it be but intelligence... your just mad becouse its a blow to your nerd ego, and you have no social ability's i feel bad for you QUIXOTIC
Voidtraveler21 2 years ago
HOW DOSE SOCIAL ABILITY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE?? WAS YOUR QUESTION...... AND THE Answer IS IN THE VIDEO... SOCIAL ABILITYS USE DIFFRENT AREAS OF THE DOME... what your Adovcateing is neglecting parts of your own brain wtf is wrong with you... how would u like it if a football player said your dumb becouse u have no coordination? o wait they do say that about nerds like you. and there just as wrong as you are, when u say shit like that about them.... LOL @ U
Voidtraveler21 2 years ago
I agree that quixoticmind16 is shit!!
xxSuperAsianxx 2 years ago
You know what...EQ, SQ, AQ..whatever you want to call these things correlate strongly with ones personality/temperment than anything else. Personality traits/preferences are not forms of intelligence. FUCK AMERICA and the hyper-emotional idiots who make up these things so that you must bow to them and help them on their mission for world peace.
quixoticmind16 2 years ago
Also, how on earth does being social have anything to do with intelligence???!!! Most of the most intelligent/ talented/original people I know are introverts and would probably score low on "intrapersonal intelligence".Being social, in my opinion, is a waste of brain cells and time. And don't get me started with "kinesthetic intelligence." Anyone can run, jump, etc if they want to and some are better than others at sports....but with practice, I'd say most people can become reasonably athletic.
quixoticmind16 2 years ago
You misunderstand. It has little to do with simply being social, but your understanding of socialization and motives. For example, sociologists would most likely have a higher interpersonal intelligences. Also, you are mixing up the terms inter- and intra-. Interpersonal is your understanding of reactions between people; inter- is understanding yourself (such as a psychologist would). Kinesthetic is not as simple as moving around, but solving problems with your body. Actually do research first.
3DGxPAIN 2 years ago
I agree that MIT is shit! More than half of the 8 "intelligences" are not forms of intelligence, but rather, personality traits. To delineate, interpersonal and intrapersonal "intelligence" would be germane models of this as intrapersonal correlates strongly with those who are more social in nature, hence more likely to be extraverts. Same with interpersonal which s more strongly associated with introverts. Not that extraverts and introverts are restricted to inter/intrapersonal but..
quixoticmind16 2 years ago
It still has to do with how you define intelligence. Under a broader definition, these qualities would qualify.
zadeh79 2 years ago
in my theory i think anyone who can't think logically has a psychological disorder, not to say they are not intelligent but logic has nothing to do with intelligents
buttafrumdastuy 2 years ago
but it does with constructing a good "sentents". Use your "intelligents" next time.
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
Logic is something we depend on. Without any basic or elementary logic we can't perceive anything. Without any basic logical ability we can't have so much as one single perception. Pretty much all we do is, to some degree or another, affected by our logical ability. Some areas require higher logical ability than others. If you have a good logical ability, and are motivated enough, you can learn how to use your logical ability to properly handle most aspects in life. End of story.
Grulting 2 years ago
Logic is over-rated, and I'd bet that a plethora of Nobelists would agree with this. Logic without abstraction is useless, unless of course, society doesn't want it that way.
zadeh79 2 years ago
C)
4. Since Newell et al. emphasize problem solving, and life presents us with problems, where's the tautology?
5. No one claims IQ is constant across the lifespan - many discuss the degree to which this is true.
But, dont just take my word for this - read Waterhouses 2006 paper available on the web.
Read widely on both sides of this issue, and look at the evidence that is and is NOT there. Its the only way for education to shake off these resource-absorbing fads.
chrismca 2 years ago
Most Advocates of traditional IQ testing, habitually, present the public with (albeit not exclusively) tautological arguments in favor of the measurement. The 'class; of problems which IQ tests measure almost entirely rely on long term memory retrieval and short term memory capacity. The former, largely a function of the latter.
zadeh79 2 years ago
The 'problems' on conventional measures either present themselves: A) as problems with known (or granted) solutions, in which the subject needs only to apply or B) as 'tasks', which should not be considered problems at all.......Everything has been carefully designed so that the subject need not rely on what is known as 'fluid processing skills'.
In effect, we have been provided with a very narrow picture of human intelligence.
zadeh79 2 years ago
Fluid intelligence (or Gf), has been a topic of more recent research, and a large body of data has revealed individual discrepancies between IQ scores and Gf performance. These discrepancies reveal themselves on tests of working memory capacity, and tests of fluid problems solving ability (eg the Raven's Matrices, which is inarguably, the most legitimate wide-scale measure of Gf). Gf itself is comprised of a small suite of sub-skills which have been looked at independently.
zadeh79 2 years ago
All said, I won't say that IQ is a useless measure. It is definitely component to reasoning ability, and in itself, can 'usually' be taken as a good indicator of a person's intelligence. But neither from a philosophical or biological point of view is IQ an end all to discussion. In a nutshell, the data coming forward suggest, differential rates of development. So the 'law' of intellectual constancy has been violated.
zadeh79 2 years ago 2
Or a missile.... accident...
D0g63rt 2 years ago 3
Frames of mind is a great book!
You can take the official multiple intelligences test online.
I have a 91 ranking for Linguistics, 42 for Mathematical, 71 for musical, 75 for interpersonal, and Bodily-Kinesthetic: 57.
I agree with Linguistics and Interpersonal. Musical however I was expecting receive a 57 versus a 71, just because I don't think I'm that good at music.
As for the 42 for mathematics I agree. Its always been my weakness.
TimeTravel87 2 years ago
Uneven cognitive profiles usually produce the most interesting and talented people. MI is very valid.
thisisfucked4 3 years ago
More simple than this... I'm not selling books and for sure not a lawyer.
Find something a person likes and they will learn it - It's that simple
zacata2224 3 years ago
Gardners theory, not sure if that is correct or just bunk. some people arn't good at anything. Some good at everything.
Charlierosea 3 years ago
well THAT by definition should be a smart person, but some people are amazing at some things and some are terrible at others. are they smart, dumb, or average?
lolll666 3 years ago
You can make your own label. In my opinion it's all bullshit.
Charlierosea 3 years ago
MI is a proven theory and works in the classroom. Most of us have known someone who is not successful in school--where traditional intelligence is targeted--yet are extremely successful and talented in life.
modestoteacher 3 years ago
My experience in the accelerated learning field has indicated that many people have benefited from simply understanding that there is so much more to intelligence than what we were led to believe during our school years. I have seen people make a dramatic shift in their self image, resulting in greater self confidence in the workplace and at home.
WalshSeminars 3 years ago 3
Arrogant pseudo intellect has the audacity to write a book on obvious human nature??.. Please?? Akin, to what I pulled out of my ass. Stupidity is a birthright, Learning is life. All cut from the same cloth. The great minds are formed, not inherent. Genealogy helps, but is not a prerequisite.
seditionape 3 years ago
I am reading it now. Its a good choice.
DawnJake 4 years ago
none
kadmanib 4 years ago
i got Multiple Intelligences
keithcry 4 years ago
my special son entered a multiple intellegence school in the Phils (child's place)... honored as well to have been visited by dr. howard as well... is there a mi book that i can buy and apply at home.. thank you for posting this
spzvid 4 years ago
I suggest starting with Howard Gardner's 2006 book, Multiple Intelligences: New Horizons. It's a book that presents an overview of MI concepts and some interesting practical applications on a global education level. While it was not written from the perspective of attempting to raise a child with a MI approach, it still should provide a good foundation point in MI thinking from the man himself.
ProgressiveEducation 4 years ago
Yeah frames of mind is a good one to start with you can get a nice cheap one off of Amazon. I meet Dr. Gardner at a seminar he's amazing. My mom studied under him at Harvard graduate school of education. He' one of my biggest heros. I've struggled in the academia sphere I'm glad there MI schools out there. Would have been nice to gone to one but now I'm a college student in my second year of college focused on law.
brucelee8l 3 years ago