I think its ignorant to say that ninja were all farmers. thats how some if not most started out. But others were just petty thieves, or bandits who decided that through epionage and other means they could make some form of living.
"LOL you're saying Masaaki Hatsumi is a fake Ninja? "
are you saying he isn't ??? care to back that up with any historical evidence at all???
really... all i want is something that shows the name Togakure BEFORE takamatsu was told he couldn't open a Kukishin ryu branch and teach his fake 'ninjutsu'...
see, he didn't MAKE UP, the story of togakure ryu and toda until AFTER he had taught the taijutsu to Hatsumi and Tanemura
Just to be clear... All you num-skulls don't know squat.... even on both sides of your arguments.... all of you are smoking crack-rock... NINJUTSU is a philosophy and a martial skill - to overcoming an enemy by thought, meditation, stealth, assassination, action and reaction, and to escape unnoticed... without leaving a trace... Their is no specific Martial Art for that can be labeled "NINJUTSU" since all ninja clans practiced their own family's forms of Karate, Kenpo, Jujitsu, and Aikido.
that was my challenge, your baseless assertion that there were people who have been assassinated by shinobi is unacceptable as evidence for your case of actually naming them... who were they? betcha can't name even one.
@Arteanor the ninjas were farmers. they formed their own style to protect themselves from the samurai's who worked for higher ups. samurai's always did what their masters told them. therefore ninja could of assassinated samurai's.... due to the history of events.
and you are making a ridiculous generalization... IGA and KOKA were both populated by landgranted samurai farmers, who just so happened to be shinobi...
"and they formed their own style"
ninjutsu was NOT formed by farmers, it is a samurai discipline.
"to protect themselves from the samurai's who worked for higher ups"
your sources are so bad...
just garbage spat out by foreigners too ignorant to research ...
"samurai's always did what their masters told them."
your misunderstanding of japanese culture, and your ridiculous statements with absolute surety show that you are either incredibly uneducated or just trolling.
"therefore ninja could of assassinated samurai's.... due to the history of events."
you missed the part where i DARED ANYONE to NAME ONE of those ASSASSINATED BY SHINOBI...
if you weren't talking nonsense you could easily prove your ridiculous ASSertions
@Ihateglenbeck Good on your mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
"I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16"
your art has no connection to shinobi.
"and was surprised by what others thought of it."
you mean knowing its fake?
"My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else."
funny, critical thinking teaches us to dismiss claims made without evidence. and there is absolutely no evidence for the claims of any of the 'ninjutsu' masters scamming people....
@Arteanor LoL why are you like attacking me? Just trying to share some of my experiences with the rest of the world. I will say that I'm pretty sure I used the term critical thinking wrong, though. I meant that we were urged to follow logic trails and evidence rather than to use some sort of "gut" instinct or allow our emotions to confuse us. I do apologize to anyone reading comments though. I apparently posted the same thing three times without realizing it. O_o
im not attacking you, i dont need to. i can suffice to attack your words. they are untrue, im sorry you dont like that.
"I meant that we were urged to follow logic trails and evidence rather than to use some sort of "gut" instinct or allow our emotions to confuse us."
thats funny, i have gotten the same thing from takamatsu and hatsumi's words, however i personally think this is a hint to those who know enough about what the school IS.
"and yet there isn't much on the other side of the coin either...."
firstly this isnt true.
but when there isn't much evidence to believe something, most of us default to not believing in that thing, for example santa and easter bunny.
that said. we DO have the shinobi manuals. they show a ninjutsu using none of the things takamatsu said: were part of the BASIS for all ninjutsu, including all of iga and koka.
he also taught his ninja schools as being kukishin ryu ninpo, first
John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":
"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo.'
@Ihateglenbeck Good on you mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
@Ihateglenbeck Good on you mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed more focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
@Ihateglenbeck actually no, you are somewhat incorrect as well. Ninjutsu came from Jujutsu just like Aikido , which was first call aiki jutsu. Train in any of the three and you will see. Also, notice that all three of them are called jutsu? AIkido (aiki jutsu) is a light peaceful path style of the art derived from jujitsu which O'Sensei believed was the truth path of Budo. Ninjustu went the other way with jujutsu making it lethal. Maybe Aiki justsu are jedi and ninjutsu are like sith
@thecryptkicker5 the other arts of Karate etc., were most likely brought in later by families as the art grew into it's own unique style of lethal killing and began teaching it at hidden schools. You can easily see elements of Karate in the art but as an ornamentation to the jujitsu foundation.
@thecryptkicker5 I am trained in both :) and judo as well. Koshijutsu and koppojutsu also have jutsu and they are separated from jujutsu and each other. If you trained bujinkan budo taijutsu well maybe you wouldn't say things like Jujutsu is origin of all everything and ninjas are sith where aikidokas (or how do i call them) are jedis. You make martial arts look very simple.
@Ihateglenbeck shinobi were pre-edo jidai, so they wouldn't study any of the gendai arts you listed. As far as what ninjutsu is, maybe you should real less books in english on the subject and more primary sources or japanese secondary sources so you can actually know what you're talking about.
@Ihateglenbeck You dont understand what your talking about yes there were different clans but that does not mean there is no art called ninjutsu The combat art of ninjutsu is different from any of the martial arts you just mentioned
@Ihateglenbeck You are so right except for one thing. The fight style that is in Ninjutsu is called Taijutsu. Aikido was created thousands of years after Ninjutsu was formed. But everything else I agree with. :) Cheers!
he is pretending that my sources are less than factual so as to make him appear superior for ignoring me...
however, he is simply hiding from the FACT that there IS no source he can cite... there isn't one in the bujinkan.... it's a fake school based on fake claims by a fraud....
there is absolutely NO ninjutus in ANY of the Takamatsu-den arts......
Lmao, easy, easy now. I love ninjas, and hell, naruto is one of my favorite animes. I also love tenchu. However, Stuff like Chidori, Rasengan, so forth and so on, could not have existed. And If it did, because theres a small chance it might have, no one could do it now. Further more, If Ninjas with Naruto like powers existed, you think theyd reveal them selves? Just a thought...
What is a ninja? I totally agree with the comment by Bjorn Lynne. Your comment was well said. I am also a practitioner of ninjutsu. I met hayes. Have yet to meet Hatsumi. Much respect to you all!!!!
train your self.. use your mind, and your body and merge them with your soul to form a complete you. every ninja stance, attack, posture, technique u can learn for your self by observing and implementing in practice.i started from a simple bo, now a kusarygama, then a short sword. and principles that i observed form books, videos, and real life preformance. i never paid to be tutored. i will learn most of it alone untill i find a sensei to test my ultimate skill. but im a lifetime away there
"What is the difference between Bujinkan and an independant organisation?"
well an independent organization would be one that does not gain something or reaffirm itself by validating the claims of the bujinkanl....
a great example would be the koryu societies, the nihon kobudo shinkikai and NK kyokai,... which are the only groups authenticating arts from pre-meiji era....
the bujinkan isn't independent because they are biased due to their income from 'ninjutsu' students...
dan pena los que dicen ser maestros en artes marciales hoy dia, para mi son como mendigos desgraciados en busca de dinero,son unos fuleros que no tienen dignidad por el oficio.
I wish I could be taught by a true master. Not like all those karate masters etc in urbanized zones. I've heard of true masters by a few martial arts pros,and much more impressive than you could ever imagine o.o Of course I wont mention what they can do 'cause I see there are already plenty of argues going on. But yes.they're unbelievable,the word I used is the most adequate lol
"Wanna be a ninja white boy com to dojo give money and we make you ninja"(a little humor).If your interested try it(they have dojos all over the world) its good if you want to flex your muscles but if you have some cunning youl figure it out.I mean no disrespect to all of you ninjas out there.
Ninjas are very interesting, I am reading The Ninja and their secret fighting art by Stephen K. Hayes and how Masaaki Hatsumi took him under as a student, man I wish I could study under him to better understand the ways of the ninja. That would be a great opportunity.
@Arteanor um.... okay. I'm just a highschool kid it's not like I'm some kinda expert on who really knows Ninjutsu I'm just reading a book about ninjas because it's interesting to me.
and i'm just informing you that you chose a book about astrophysics by genghis khan, a boxing manual from mahatma ghandi, a sonnet by GW Bush....
meaning, something that makes statements completely outside their ken... just like ninjutsu is outside the ken of hatsumi... he is a GREAT Budoka, but that DOESNT make the budo he does magically become ninjutsu.
@Arteanor So basically what you're saying is that Masaaki Hatsumi is not a real ninja master and the things in the book are false right? Just curious, how did you figure this?
hatsumi is perhaps the most advanced of a series of gendai budoka who have realized the marketing potential created by the ninja craze that began several decades ago....
he is an exceptional martial artist, with a thorough understanding of anatomy, he is also a renowned researcher of all things ninja (just like takamatsu was).
takamatsu wrote a letter to kukishen ryu asking if he could use what he had researched from the kuki scrolls, mixed with karate to make it more marketable, to make a ninjutsu dojo....
when they said he could not use their name to do this, he wrote them another letter tendering his resignation, and saying he was leaving to make his own ryu....
it was not until after this that he EVER mentioned toda, OR togakure ryu.
wow they cant call themselfs ninjas if they cant take down an old guy whos probably lost most of his reflects lool jus kidding dont mess with monks they can kick ass!!!
@vnhoang320 So you're saying that if a white person learns/practices an art form invented by Asians then they are "pretending to be Asian?" So by that logic, if an Asian person drives a car, they are pretending to be white since cars and driving them was invented by white people.
and don't forget how we are all pretending to be black because we all act like we are human, and we know the first humans were black people in africa....
@darkblitzrz8 i want learn the real kage bunshin no jutsu not black clowns jutsu i mean with black clowns the (real) NINJAS i dont believe that ninjas was in black clothes and the other shit!!! i think ninjas was like in the anime NARUTO i think every ninja have here own style!!! and all what the black clown (ninjas) do is taijutsu not ninjutsu!!! truely ninjutsu are not physical attacks of the body!!!!!!
@Ultimativnaruto it's okay, even if there isn't a Ninjutsu place near you, many martial arts are very similar to it that I'm sure you would find very beneficial! :)
@sageyash yes for 1000 years humans think they dont can fly with plains so shut up wanker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everything is possible believe it!!!!!!!!!
@Ultimativnaruto then i command u to shut up, and go throw ur self from the highest place u can get to ..... well u said it "everything is possible believe it" ... no seriously shut up kid , and stop dreaming about some anime coming to life ,do something productive instead .
@sageyash IM 19 IM NOT CHILD IF YOU THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR FACE IF THE FIRST ONE WHO SHOW THE TRUE NINJUTSU! BUT IF YOU THINK THATS IMPOSSIBLE THATS YOUR PROBLEM BUT IM SURE THAT ONE DAY MAYBE IM NOT ALIVE THIS MOMENT BUT ONE BELIEVE ME COMES THE TIME WHERE A TRUE NINJA MAKE SOME TECHNICS!
@Ultimativnaruto Lmao you are a fan boy lol. You obviously didnt read my other comment i wrote here, it was aimed towards you. If it makes you feel any better I wish it existed as well. But please tone down the geekness man...I beg of you. Lastly, you dont show emotions huh? Then why did you put an Emote in your original post? Ninja fail lol. any way, good luck on your path to become a real ninja. XD
@shadowsintox9 thanks man, no im just joking of course i have emotions and i dont wanna be a cold machine like itachi, i wish i would be live in the world of naruto and have the chance to be hokage thats my dream
@Ultimativnaruto sorry, have you read the shoninki, bansenshukai, etc? Is that not real ninjutsu? When did I ever say taijutsu was ninjutsu? Unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu, theres more than just taijutsu inTogakure Ryu, there is also ninjutsu, such as Ton Ko no Jutsu, Tenmon/Chimon, the use of suichugu and fire tools, sokushin haya-ashi no jutsu, Ishiki onshin ho, Jinshin Kapajutsu, etc. Don't make silly claims as to what I believe with no basis in fact.
@chucknorrispranks i mean physical attacks are not ninjutsu! 2 different definition for people is ninjutsu! 1.) real definition like in the anime NARUTO they show real ninjutsu 2.) the black suit clowns who making bad taijutsu and thinking there ninjas! XD but believe what you want my definition is that what i see in the anime NARUTO and that i call ninja! you dont know how important this anime is for me!
"Unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu, theres more than just taijutsu inTogakure Ryu, there is also ninjutsu,"
unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu ninjutsu, i just thought i would let you know there is NO ninjutsu in the bujinkan...
"such as Ton Ko no Jutsu, Tenmon/Chimon, the use of suichugu and fire tools, sokushin haya-ashi no jutsu, Ishiki onshin ho, Jinshin Kapajutsu, etc"
@Arteanor good thing I'm not in the bujinkan, you know there are two other organizations teaching togakure ryu right? Just because hatsumi sensei no longer teaches that stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the togakure ryu and that people aren't learning it.
@Arteanor okay but I just listed a few ninjutsu skills that ARE contained within the togakure ryu, so now you're just being ignorant. Ninjutsu does exist in the togakure ryu. If they don't teach it often/at all in the bujinkan, too bad, that's unfortunate for those practitioners.
all elements of togakure ryu and the other ninjutsu of the takamatsu-den schools.... are RECREATIONS FROM RESEARCH based on what takamatsu read in the kuki archives, and in the large collection he passed to hatsumi.
your assertion that because you can reuse obscure skillnames ( that WOULD be classified as ninjutsu in the right school ) not actually taught to anyone, and then saying that they are part of togakure ryu.. is unfounded and unappreciated.
I've been a Bujinkan practitioner for years now, I've even been to Japan in training trips, and I always cringe when people say I'm a ninja. I am not. We only train combat skills. Ninjas in feudal Japan trained that PLUS hiding, pyrotechnics, disguise and impersonation, general strategy, meteorology, geography, horse-riding, etc.
I am not a ninja, and any bujinkan pratitioner who claims to be a ninja needs to reconsider the meaning of such a statement.
@TheEirikMan I think I would only be able to make such a statement if I were to study the modern equivalent of their original skills. Maybe parkour, infiltration and exfiltration, piloting land sea and air vehicles, computer hacking, disguise and make-up, geography, firearms training and maintenance, foreign languages, anatomy, emergency medical procedures, and so on.
@DarkMessiah6 I understand what you mean, and I gueas you're right, but wouldn't you be a secret spy or agent then? I mean, you'd be a ninja, but at the same time you wouldn't. Ok, this is kinda hard to explain, but I think everybody practicing the Bujinkan is a ninja to some degree, don't you think?
@Arteanor well... yes, I was being a bit too simplistic.
To be totally honest, I'm still waiting for the day when I'll have time to study the books and sources available. College leaves little time for regular practice as it is : /
@DarkMessiah6 This is a true statement but as a fellow practitioner I have to remind you about inton no jutsu (I can't spell it right) which is the art of conceilment, infiltration, escape and evation. As far as disguise and impersonation goes you where a disguise every day that you wear normal clothing. Remember that ninja would usually disguise themselves as general people so they would be overlooked. It's not just the fighting that is taught in bujinkan. ( not where I train at least).
i wasn't aware that hatsumi wass leading training sessions outside the honbu...
please elaborate upon the specific things that ARE parts of ninjutsu, as opposed to hatsumi's ninpo taijutsu nonsense... it is an undoubtedly makretable name, but it was entirely dishonest... hence his withdrawal to a more inclusive term and one that isn't refutable simply by questioning his ninpo cred, Budo taijutsu....
@Arteanor referring to your earlier comment about Hatsumi removing inton no jutsu. Even though Hatsumi isn't teaching it anymore... could it be that he's just too old to teach it? Perhaps he hasn't actually removed it. If he has then that must mean that my sensei is older than I thought. But regardless I am glad I was able to learn some of it.
@DarkMessiah6 THIS GUYS ARE OLD AND OUT OF SHAPE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY THEY SELL THERE BOOK'S ON HOW TO BECOME A NINJA WHEN IN FACT THEY DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE NINJA HISTORY IN IGA AND KOGA NINJA
just stfu up ninjas are real bujinkan practioners like me hold the title of ninja just because we dont wear shinobi shozou dosent mean we arnet ninja ninjas are real end of conversation
Regarding the argueing over ninja's being real, I have a question for all you men out there. when you were kids, didn't all of you at some point think ninja's were awesome, i bet some of you even had halloween ninja costumes and watched the ninja turtles. also, even if they didn't exist the way some think of them, does it matter, the concept of the hollywood ninja is cool anyway.
fuck you guys are retarded what are you even arguing about, there were ninjas, they did kill people, they were essentially mercenaries whats the big fucking deal. Hand to hand combat, knives, poison whats the fucking difference in the end your dead. Im gonna put on my ninja gear and come to each one of your houses and surprise cock slap you for being so stupid. Argument finished lol
i just love how in the course of any argument on the internet, no matter if it's youtube or a forum of any sort, first there's the exchange of arguments or pseudo-knowledge (sometimes even real knowledge), then there's the exchange of insults, mostly in order to question the others' intelligence, and in the end, it always comes to the point where people try to show some superiority by pointing out other people's spelling mistakes.
WAY TO GO! because that's what being anonymous is all about!
You westerners know that NInjitsu was a art used for assasination, right? It's quite dirty and uses any means to kill the opponent, including dabbing weapons in poison, the partctice is mainly attacking from behind nd cheap shots. It's not considered a true martial art in Japan and some what looked down upon.
there is no evidence to support the claim that ninjutsu is or includes a martial art...
its not considered a martial art anywhere, EXCEPT... here on youtube, where all the bujtards get butthurt when you point out that their schools claims to shinobi are entirely unproven.
what piece of evidence do u use to bridge the gap from history, where ninjutsu has no martial arts... to now when 1 guy says they do???
@Arteanor Well if I don't put the word "art" in my comment someone is sure to get butthurt. Ninjitsu is assasination techniques anyway. Why its a 術(jiutsu) literally meaning technique. Then for some reason in the 20th century, when mixed martial art became popular, a mixed up version of jyujiutsu, bujinkan, and karate spiced up with some acrobatic kung-fu moves, was dubbed ninjitsu. Truth is it has nothing to do with actual Ninjas because ninjas don't use hand-to-hand combat.
"Ninjitsu is assasination techniques anyway." pure conjecture, no evidence for this claim, and to prove it, name someone assassinated by ninja.
"dubbed ninjitsu. Truth is it has nothing to do with actual Ninjas becaus" well, it wasn't dubbed, the ninjutsu label was HIJACKED... it was a marketing tool for takamatsu.
"ninjas don't use hand-to-hand combat. " sure, soldiers that don't fight... sure. thats sensible, got a source for it?
@Arteanor Uhh, yeah there is proof of the assasination techniques. No uniform martial arts though. In Japan there are 71 historicaly recorded (31 confirmed) NInja tribes. Two of the most famous being the Kouga and Isse tribes. They carried out spying, sabotage, and assasination througout history, alothough it is not known organized groups were formed. Ninjas or Shinobi are comparable to war contractors today. Easy terms: professional mercenaries.
I think its ignorant to say that ninja were all farmers. thats how some if not most started out. But others were just petty thieves, or bandits who decided that through epionage and other means they could make some form of living.
TheRogue144 2 months ago
masturbatory ninjitsu!!!!
mrharpania 3 months ago
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great short video awesome music too bad there's allot of people talking but they don't know what they're saying... c'est la vie :/
UindoDorgon 4 months ago
great short video awesome music too bad there's allot of people talking but they don't know what they're saying... c'est la vie :/
UindoDorgon 4 months ago
White ppl ninjas? lmao
kingmanny57 4 months ago
@IngoBingoable
no ninja here.
no ninjutsu here.
only fakes selling lies.
Arteanor 6 months ago
@Arteanor LOL you're saying Masaaki Hatsumi is a fake Ninja? You greatly amuse me! :D
nastyevilninja 4 months ago
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@nastyevilninja
"LOL you're saying Masaaki Hatsumi is a fake Ninja? "
are you saying he isn't ??? care to back that up with any historical evidence at all???
really... all i want is something that shows the name Togakure BEFORE takamatsu was told he couldn't open a Kukishin ryu branch and teach his fake 'ninjutsu'...
see, he didn't MAKE UP, the story of togakure ryu and toda until AFTER he had taught the taijutsu to Hatsumi and Tanemura
"You greatly amuse me! :D"
DITTO!
Arteanor 4 months ago
use all got to much time on ur hands go get a job lol!!!
36amrbm1619 7 months ago
Any date of release?
MartinBuenoNinja 9 months ago
real numbskulls can speak englis
your a disgrace
Hakiblack 9 months ago
@Hakiblack wtf is englis?lol
yulaw3 9 months ago
@yulaw3 It's how Hispanics say English. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on 'your' should have been 'you're'. Ah well.
Hakiblack 9 months ago
@Hakiblack i dont care,its only words
yulaw3 9 months ago
Get real. Do you honestly think anyone of these so-called ninja masters would have been able to go one round with Mike Tyson?
joebarcelone1 9 months ago
@joebarcelone1
Yeah, I actually do.
Care4PieAny1 8 months ago
@joebarcelone1 actually they would put mike Tyson through the wall without breaking a sweat.
UindoDorgon 4 months ago
Dude, is that music from 7Kingdoms!?!?!??!
MDSJudicator 9 months ago
Just to be clear... All you num-skulls don't know squat.... even on both sides of your arguments.... all of you are smoking crack-rock... NINJUTSU is a philosophy and a martial skill - to overcoming an enemy by thought, meditation, stealth, assassination, action and reaction, and to escape unnoticed... without leaving a trace... Their is no specific Martial Art for that can be labeled "NINJUTSU" since all ninja clans practiced their own family's forms of Karate, Kenpo, Jujitsu, and Aikido.
Ihateglenbeck 10 months ago 28
@Ihateglenbeck
you are part right...
except your still using the assassin stuff, which is not in any way part of ninjutsu...
i can call that out by simply asking you to name ONE person ASSASSINATED BY NINJA!!
there isn't one. even Scottbaioisdead can't find one... and he would LOVE to prove me wrong.
Arteanor 10 months ago
@Arteanor theres quite a few
yulaw3 9 months ago
@yulaw3
o rry?
name one.
that was my challenge, your baseless assertion that there were people who have been assassinated by shinobi is unacceptable as evidence for your case of actually naming them... who were they? betcha can't name even one.
Arteanor 9 months ago
@Arteanor chill out man, nobody cares.assertions and cases, what crack u been smoking?
i was fishing for idiots and they always bite haha
yulaw3 9 months ago
@Arteanor the ninjas were farmers. they formed their own style to protect themselves from the samurai's who worked for higher ups. samurai's always did what their masters told them. therefore ninja could of assassinated samurai's.... due to the history of events.
UindoDorgon 4 months ago
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@UindoDorgon
so many errors...
"the ninjas were farmers."
NINJA no S... ever.
and you are making a ridiculous generalization... IGA and KOKA were both populated by landgranted samurai farmers, who just so happened to be shinobi...
"and they formed their own style"
ninjutsu was NOT formed by farmers, it is a samurai discipline.
"to protect themselves from the samurai's who worked for higher ups"
your sources are so bad...
just garbage spat out by foreigners too ignorant to research ...
Arteanor 4 months ago
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@UindoDorgon
"samurai's always did what their masters told them."
your misunderstanding of japanese culture, and your ridiculous statements with absolute surety show that you are either incredibly uneducated or just trolling.
"therefore ninja could of assassinated samurai's.... due to the history of events."
you missed the part where i DARED ANYONE to NAME ONE of those ASSASSINATED BY SHINOBI...
if you weren't talking nonsense you could easily prove your ridiculous ASSertions
Arteanor 4 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck Good on your mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
tarrker 8 months ago
@tarrker
"I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16"
your art has no connection to shinobi.
"and was surprised by what others thought of it."
you mean knowing its fake?
"My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else."
funny, critical thinking teaches us to dismiss claims made without evidence. and there is absolutely no evidence for the claims of any of the 'ninjutsu' masters scamming people....
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor LoL why are you like attacking me? Just trying to share some of my experiences with the rest of the world. I will say that I'm pretty sure I used the term critical thinking wrong, though. I meant that we were urged to follow logic trails and evidence rather than to use some sort of "gut" instinct or allow our emotions to confuse us. I do apologize to anyone reading comments though. I apparently posted the same thing three times without realizing it. O_o
tarrker 7 months ago
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@tarrker
im not attacking you, i dont need to. i can suffice to attack your words. they are untrue, im sorry you dont like that.
"I meant that we were urged to follow logic trails and evidence rather than to use some sort of "gut" instinct or allow our emotions to confuse us."
thats funny, i have gotten the same thing from takamatsu and hatsumi's words, however i personally think this is a hint to those who know enough about what the school IS.
still havent seen evidence for bjk ninjutsu tho
Arteanor 7 months ago
@Arteanor and yet there isn't much on the other side of the coin either....
AkumaDaimyo 7 months ago
@AkumaDaimyo
"and yet there isn't much on the other side of the coin either...."
firstly this isnt true.
but when there isn't much evidence to believe something, most of us default to not believing in that thing, for example santa and easter bunny.
that said. we DO have the shinobi manuals. they show a ninjutsu using none of the things takamatsu said: were part of the BASIS for all ninjutsu, including all of iga and koka.
he also taught his ninja schools as being kukishin ryu ninpo, first
Arteanor 7 months ago
@Arteanor Many claim to supposedly have books or manuals. Not impresed unless I see something real looking.
AkumaDaimyo 7 months ago
@AkumaDaimyo
i am speaking of the Shoninki, Bansenshukai and the Ninpiden...
all are period pieces... there are many ways you can get info on them...
i do not profess to own originals.
i have only really read translations.
i don't think any of the bujinkan doubt the shinobi manuals, they are up on ninpo org's historical records section....
in bad quality with bad translation... but its a start.
Arteanor 7 months ago
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@Akuma
'Tatara magazine page 6.
John Lindsey in an interview with Tanemura S asks: "Did Takamatsu S always call it Togakure ryu?":
"Not at first. When he was associated with the Kuki family he planed to introduce Kukishin Ryu Ninpo in the form of scrolls and densho. But after the war he distanced himself from the Kuki family and decided not to do this. then he met Hatsumi S. and Fukumoto s. Takamatsu S.i decided to teach them Ninpo. That is when he decided to use the name Ninpo.'
Arteanor 7 months ago
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@Ihateglenbeck Good on you mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed really focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
tarrker 8 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck Good on you mate. I've been practicing the art of shinboi since I was about 16 and was surprised by what others thought of it. It was nothing like any other martial arts I'd ever known. It was all about thinking. The few forms that I DID pick up were much closer to kung fu then anything else, really. My teacher seemed more focused on just teaching us critical thinking and discipline above all else.
tarrker 8 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck actually no, you are somewhat incorrect as well. Ninjutsu came from Jujutsu just like Aikido , which was first call aiki jutsu. Train in any of the three and you will see. Also, notice that all three of them are called jutsu? AIkido (aiki jutsu) is a light peaceful path style of the art derived from jujitsu which O'Sensei believed was the truth path of Budo. Ninjustu went the other way with jujutsu making it lethal. Maybe Aiki justsu are jedi and ninjutsu are like sith
thecryptkicker5 8 months ago
@thecryptkicker5 the other arts of Karate etc., were most likely brought in later by families as the art grew into it's own unique style of lethal killing and began teaching it at hidden schools. You can easily see elements of Karate in the art but as an ornamentation to the jujitsu foundation.
thecryptkicker5 8 months ago
lol Kenjutsu has -jutsu as well, does that mean it came from jujutsu? no. Ninjutsu didn't come from jujutsu, that's pure horse manure.
Obiwan198 5 months ago
@Obiwan198 Jutsu means technique. But yes, Ninjutsu fighting style can from jujutsu. If you were trained in either, you would know this.
thecryptkicker5 5 months ago
@thecryptkicker5 I am trained in both :) and judo as well. Koshijutsu and koppojutsu also have jutsu and they are separated from jujutsu and each other. If you trained bujinkan budo taijutsu well maybe you wouldn't say things like Jujutsu is origin of all everything and ninjas are sith where aikidokas (or how do i call them) are jedis. You make martial arts look very simple.
Obiwan198 5 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck yes they can fly and cast lighting from ass.
e6yMo3r 8 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck 100% truth
2inhead1inchest 8 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck shinobi were pre-edo jidai, so they wouldn't study any of the gendai arts you listed. As far as what ninjutsu is, maybe you should real less books in english on the subject and more primary sources or japanese secondary sources so you can actually know what you're talking about.
chucknorrispranks 5 months ago
@chucknorrispranks Regarding the pre-edo statement, I meant to exclude oniwaban. I was refering to the archetypal, autonomous Iga/Koka shinobi.
chucknorrispranks 5 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck aikido was created shortly after WW2
93wafel 3 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck You dont understand what your talking about yes there were different clans but that does not mean there is no art called ninjutsu The combat art of ninjutsu is different from any of the martial arts you just mentioned
Davidblakeslee100 3 months ago
@Davidblakeslee100
"The combat art of ninjutsu is different from any of the martial arts you just mentioned "
your right. it is different. let me show you how...
your fantasy version of 'combat ninjutsu' doesn't exist... all of the ones he named DO exist...
there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that ninjutsu is or includes any sort of martial arts component...
i can even go one further: Every claimant to ninja martial arts is a fraud. none have lineage to ninja. just lies.
Arteanor 2 months ago
@Ihateglenbeck You are so right except for one thing. The fight style that is in Ninjutsu is called Taijutsu. Aikido was created thousands of years after Ninjutsu was formed. But everything else I agree with. :) Cheers!
Wayofthefighter 1 month ago
still waiting for it to come out soon...
shinbudoka 10 months ago
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@chucknorrispranks
"@Arteanor What leads you to believe that those skills are not part of the togakure ryu and are not taught openly in some organizations?"
REALITY!
the same thing that 'leads me to believe' that santa doesn't exist....
Arteanor 11 months ago
Katon: Grand Fire Ball Jutsu!!!
Raiton: Ligthning Blade!!!!!!!¨
Doton: Great Mud Wall!!!!
Yoton: Magma Bomb Jutsu!!!!
Suiton: Water Shock Bomb Jutsu!!!!!!
Sickazfuck 11 months ago
@Sickazfuck the real (not cartoon) translations for those are:
Katon no jutsu - fire escaping method
Raiton no Jutsu - lightning escaping method (don't think that's a real thing...)
Dou Ton no Jutsu - earth escaping method
never heard of yo ton...
suiton no jutsu - water escaping method
chucknorrispranks 11 months ago
@chucknorrispranks cartoon?which cartoon you talking about
Mariose123 10 months ago
@Mariose123
he is pretending that my sources are less than factual so as to make him appear superior for ignoring me...
however, he is simply hiding from the FACT that there IS no source he can cite... there isn't one in the bujinkan.... it's a fake school based on fake claims by a fraud....
there is absolutely NO ninjutus in ANY of the Takamatsu-den arts......
Arteanor 10 months ago
A true ninja dosnt go around saying there ninjas
ninjamystic13 1 year ago
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SupernaturalGifts777 11 months ago
@ninjamystic13
so we know your not a ninja ; )
SupernaturalGifts777 11 months ago
@SupernaturalGifts777 Yep ;)
ninjamystic13 11 months ago
1:28 is one helluva pretty ninja.. I want to date a ninja then
Cimande83 1 year ago
More wanna be Ninja Japanophile bullshit!
properjujitsu 1 year ago
in the past life I was a 1st generation shinobi ((:
SkyyShadow1 1 year ago
Lmao, easy, easy now. I love ninjas, and hell, naruto is one of my favorite animes. I also love tenchu. However, Stuff like Chidori, Rasengan, so forth and so on, could not have existed. And If it did, because theres a small chance it might have, no one could do it now. Further more, If Ninjas with Naruto like powers existed, you think theyd reveal them selves? Just a thought...
shadowsintox9 1 year ago
oh yeah, I like this kind of japan, not the video and anime sicks!
BTW: this is the music of japan from one of my favorite games (Seven Kingdoms)
TheGnuTalux 1 year ago
"history written by conquering elite" lol, is there an other kind?
TulilaSalome 1 year ago
I bet Zatoichi could kick this old coffin dodgers ass!
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
more like SHITEOBI or "wind of the 24 anuses"
thesashworth 1 year ago
What is a ninja? I totally agree with the comment by Bjorn Lynne. Your comment was well said. I am also a practitioner of ninjutsu. I met hayes. Have yet to meet Hatsumi. Much respect to you all!!!!
yourdecision94 1 year ago
i've studied ninjutsu for 8 years now, from a place in california
NinjaYoyos 1 year ago
you might want to reconsider being called ninja, ninja in Japan was classed as ETA
class the same as dustmen and rat catcher, they were Assasins and had no honour,
I love all martial arts dont get me wrong, just stating a fact dont shoot the messanger
mike
MrMleavy 1 year ago
train your self.. use your mind, and your body and merge them with your soul to form a complete you. every ninja stance, attack, posture, technique u can learn for your self by observing and implementing in practice.i started from a simple bo, now a kusarygama, then a short sword. and principles that i observed form books, videos, and real life preformance. i never paid to be tutored. i will learn most of it alone untill i find a sensei to test my ultimate skill. but im a lifetime away there
qXalienatedX 1 year ago
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I'm Japanese.
RealNinja of the 16th century were using guns and grenades. Today's "ninjutsu" is excepted dangerous weapon.
Realninjutsu Includes Chemistry, pharmacology, botany, psychology,etc.
ninjutsu tell what today is it just a few of the old days.
zousandazou 1 year ago
ok im basicly begging will someone become my refferal in exchange for me getting them a refferal pm me for details
jayjay10059 1 year ago
What is the difference between Bujinkan and an independant organisation?
BuddhaZenMind 1 year ago
@BuddhaZenMind
"What is the difference between Bujinkan and an independant organisation?"
well an independent organization would be one that does not gain something or reaffirm itself by validating the claims of the bujinkanl....
a great example would be the koryu societies, the nihon kobudo shinkikai and NK kyokai,... which are the only groups authenticating arts from pre-meiji era....
the bujinkan isn't independent because they are biased due to their income from 'ninjutsu' students...
Arteanor 1 year ago
Could you explain me why ninjustsu bujinkan is now a real business ? do you know what i mean ?
voiceartistsprod 1 year ago
dan pena los que dicen ser maestros en artes marciales hoy dia, para mi son como mendigos desgraciados en busca de dinero,son unos fuleros que no tienen dignidad por el oficio.
JOSELEMTM 1 year ago
I wish I could be taught by a true master. Not like all those karate masters etc in urbanized zones. I've heard of true masters by a few martial arts pros,and much more impressive than you could ever imagine o.o Of course I wont mention what they can do 'cause I see there are already plenty of argues going on. But yes.they're unbelievable,the word I used is the most adequate lol
KixxSasuke 1 year ago
"Wanna be a ninja white boy com to dojo give money and we make you ninja"(a little humor).If your interested try it(they have dojos all over the world) its good if you want to flex your muscles but if you have some cunning youl figure it out.I mean no disrespect to all of you ninjas out there.
snake060601 1 year ago
Ninjas are very interesting, I am reading The Ninja and their secret fighting art by Stephen K. Hayes and how Masaaki Hatsumi took him under as a student, man I wish I could study under him to better understand the ways of the ninja. That would be a great opportunity.
thedarkknight646 1 year ago
@thedarkknight646
"Ninjas are very interesting,"
agreed
" I am reading The Ninja and their secret fighting art by Stephen K. Hayes and how Masaaki Hatsumi took him under as a student"
yes, a great example of false advertising to sell a book...
"man I wish I could study under him to better understand the ways of the ninja"
uh, it would be a good idea to pick someone who actually KNOWS the ways of the ninja(aka ninjutsu) before deciding to learn it from them...
hatsumi doesnt..
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor um.... okay. I'm just a highschool kid it's not like I'm some kinda expert on who really knows Ninjutsu I'm just reading a book about ninjas because it's interesting to me.
thedarkknight646 1 year ago
@thedarkknight646
and i'm just informing you that you chose a book about astrophysics by genghis khan, a boxing manual from mahatma ghandi, a sonnet by GW Bush....
meaning, something that makes statements completely outside their ken... just like ninjutsu is outside the ken of hatsumi... he is a GREAT Budoka, but that DOESNT make the budo he does magically become ninjutsu.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor So basically what you're saying is that Masaaki Hatsumi is not a real ninja master and the things in the book are false right? Just curious, how did you figure this?
thedarkknight646 1 year ago
@thedarkknight646
hatsumi is perhaps the most advanced of a series of gendai budoka who have realized the marketing potential created by the ninja craze that began several decades ago....
he is an exceptional martial artist, with a thorough understanding of anatomy, he is also a renowned researcher of all things ninja (just like takamatsu was).
Arteanor 1 year ago
@thedarkknight646 continued.
takamatsu wrote a letter to kukishen ryu asking if he could use what he had researched from the kuki scrolls, mixed with karate to make it more marketable, to make a ninjutsu dojo....
when they said he could not use their name to do this, he wrote them another letter tendering his resignation, and saying he was leaving to make his own ryu....
it was not until after this that he EVER mentioned toda, OR togakure ryu.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor who does?
rupin 1 year ago
@rupin
what does that mean??
Arteanor 1 year ago
wow they cant call themselfs ninjas if they cant take down an old guy whos probably lost most of his reflects lool jus kidding dont mess with monks they can kick ass!!!
MultiDoomsday666 1 year ago
ewwwww white people pretending to be Asian ! EWWWWWWWWWWW
vnhoang320 1 year ago
@vnhoang320 So you're saying that if a white person learns/practices an art form invented by Asians then they are "pretending to be Asian?" So by that logic, if an Asian person drives a car, they are pretending to be white since cars and driving them was invented by white people.
otfresh 1 year ago
@vnhoang320
and don't forget how we are all pretending to be black because we all act like we are human, and we know the first humans were black people in africa....
Arteanor 1 year ago
@vnhoang320 Shouldn't you be typing in whatever language your race uses? I mean, you don't want to be pretending to be English now, do you?
UFMD1 1 year ago
Sorry about my poor spelling. It's been a long day. But do ask your instructor about inton no jutsu. I think you'll find it to your liking.
Tinorr28 1 year ago
Ninjutsu is so cool. I just wish it was more practical in actual fighting when compared to other arts like judo, sambo, mma, etc.
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
Ninjutsu ! The Best Martial Art !!!
TheRoccoMarkucci 1 year ago
Lame
103littlebastard 1 year ago
I want the learn the real Ninjutsu, like Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, but i think now nobody can teach me T.T
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago 17
@Ultimativnaruto or someone can teach me the rasengan
jiiingooo 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto how about creating something new ... that can be adapted to this day and age.... if serious .... any body with ideas.,.. send pv
i can help some with places to start research .. because u can only create new if u know what already exist
darkblitzrz8 1 year ago
@darkblitzrz8 yes your right! but if you know someone who can do the kage bunshin just tell who that is!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto ahhahahhahaha.. with practice it could be possible to trick ones mind into thinking u did ...
i dont watch naruto tho... i seriously had to look up what kage bunshin was ..
but the trick is to have other around same body type as u in the same clan .. wear same clothing and .lol
darkblitzrz8 1 year ago
@darkblitzrz8 i want learn the real kage bunshin no jutsu not black clowns jutsu i mean with black clowns the (real) NINJAS i dont believe that ninjas was in black clothes and the other shit!!! i think ninjas was like in the anime NARUTO i think every ninja have here own style!!! and all what the black clown (ninjas) do is taijutsu not ninjutsu!!! truely ninjutsu are not physical attacks of the body!!!!!!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto it's okay, even if there isn't a Ninjutsu place near you, many martial arts are very similar to it that I'm sure you would find very beneficial! :)
LtGlenn 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto Yerk. You disgust me for calling "this" real ninjutsu. heh
Pixuais 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto lol cause they are not real XD
sageyash 1 year ago
@sageyash yes for 1000 years humans think they dont can fly with plains so shut up wanker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everything is possible believe it!!!!!!!!!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto then i command u to shut up, and go throw ur self from the highest place u can get to ..... well u said it "everything is possible believe it" ... no seriously shut up kid , and stop dreaming about some anime coming to life ,do something productive instead .
sageyash 1 year ago
@sageyash IM 19 IM NOT CHILD IF YOU THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR FACE IF THE FIRST ONE WHO SHOW THE TRUE NINJUTSU! BUT IF YOU THINK THATS IMPOSSIBLE THATS YOUR PROBLEM BUT IM SURE THAT ONE DAY MAYBE IM NOT ALIVE THIS MOMENT BUT ONE BELIEVE ME COMES THE TIME WHERE A TRUE NINJA MAKE SOME TECHNICS!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto Thats not real dude......No wonder so many people make fun of Naruto....its cause the fans, yall fuk it up. Or, the fan boys.......
shadowsintox9 1 year ago
@shadowsintox9 man its now not real because nobody is a ninja! but it is possible you bastard!!!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto You, stop crying.
shadowsintox9 1 year ago
@shadowsintox9 i dont cry i only write it. a ninja dont cry and dont show emotions and one i will be a true ninja you stupid car driver!
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto Lmao you are a fan boy lol. You obviously didnt read my other comment i wrote here, it was aimed towards you. If it makes you feel any better I wish it existed as well. But please tone down the geekness man...I beg of you. Lastly, you dont show emotions huh? Then why did you put an Emote in your original post? Ninja fail lol. any way, good luck on your path to become a real ninja. XD
shadowsintox9 1 year ago
@shadowsintox9 thanks man, no im just joking of course i have emotions and i dont wanna be a cold machine like itachi, i wish i would be live in the world of naruto and have the chance to be hokage thats my dream
Ultimativnaruto 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto ...to live the life of an anime? ..haha
SuperWolfmike 1 year ago
that's not a little bit naive
AmidaWuji 1 year ago
@shadowsintox9 you know ninjas existed right?
drewsta23 1 year ago
@drewsta23 Yes.....why?
shadowsintox9 1 year ago
@Ultimativnaruto kage bunshin no jutsu? What is that, cartoon stuff? What does that have to do with real ninjutsu?
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Ultimativnaruto 11 months ago
@Ultimativnaruto sorry, have you read the shoninki, bansenshukai, etc? Is that not real ninjutsu? When did I ever say taijutsu was ninjutsu? Unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu, theres more than just taijutsu inTogakure Ryu, there is also ninjutsu, such as Ton Ko no Jutsu, Tenmon/Chimon, the use of suichugu and fire tools, sokushin haya-ashi no jutsu, Ishiki onshin ho, Jinshin Kapajutsu, etc. Don't make silly claims as to what I believe with no basis in fact.
chucknorrispranks 11 months ago
@chucknorrispranks i mean physical attacks are not ninjutsu! 2 different definition for people is ninjutsu! 1.) real definition like in the anime NARUTO they show real ninjutsu 2.) the black suit clowns who making bad taijutsu and thinking there ninjas! XD but believe what you want my definition is that what i see in the anime NARUTO and that i call ninja! you dont know how important this anime is for me!
Ultimativnaruto 11 months ago
@chucknorrispranks
"Unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu, theres more than just taijutsu inTogakure Ryu, there is also ninjutsu,"
unfortunately for you, since you seem to be referencing Togakure Ryu ninjutsu, i just thought i would let you know there is NO ninjutsu in the bujinkan...
"such as Ton Ko no Jutsu, Tenmon/Chimon, the use of suichugu and fire tools, sokushin haya-ashi no jutsu, Ishiki onshin ho, Jinshin Kapajutsu, etc"
this isn't taught in the buj
Arteanor 11 months ago
@Arteanor good thing I'm not in the bujinkan, you know there are two other organizations teaching togakure ryu right? Just because hatsumi sensei no longer teaches that stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the togakure ryu and that people aren't learning it.
chucknorrispranks 11 months ago
@chucknorrispranks
"good thing I'm not in the bujinkan, "
what does that have to do with you ASSERTING there is ninjutsu in Togakure ryu?
"you know there are two other organizations teaching togakure ryu right?"
you know that there is STILL NO NINJUTSU in togakure ryu right??
" Just because hatsumi sensei no longer teaches that stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the togakure ryu and that people aren't learning it. "
it still isn't ninjutsu.
NO ninjutsu in ANY TAKAMATSU-DEN school.
Arteanor 11 months ago
@Arteanor okay but I just listed a few ninjutsu skills that ARE contained within the togakure ryu, so now you're just being ignorant. Ninjutsu does exist in the togakure ryu. If they don't teach it often/at all in the bujinkan, too bad, that's unfortunate for those practitioners.
chucknorrispranks 11 months ago
@chucknorrispranks
let me be more clear..
all elements of togakure ryu and the other ninjutsu of the takamatsu-den schools.... are RECREATIONS FROM RESEARCH based on what takamatsu read in the kuki archives, and in the large collection he passed to hatsumi.
your assertion that because you can reuse obscure skillnames ( that WOULD be classified as ninjutsu in the right school ) not actually taught to anyone, and then saying that they are part of togakure ryu.. is unfounded and unappreciated.
Arteanor 11 months ago
@Arteanor What leads you to believe that those skills are not part of the togakure ryu and are not taught openly in some organizations?
chucknorrispranks 11 months ago
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@chucknorrispranks
"@Arteanor What leads you to believe that those skills are not part of the togakure ryu and are not taught openly in some organizations?"
REALITY!
the same thing that 'leads me to believe' that santa doesn't exist....
Arteanor 11 months ago
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"@Arteanor What leads you to believe that those skills are not part of the togakure ryu and are not taught openly in some organizations?"
REALITY!
the same thing that 'leads me to believe' that santa doesn't exist....
Arteanor 11 months ago
I've been a Bujinkan practitioner for years now, I've even been to Japan in training trips, and I always cringe when people say I'm a ninja. I am not. We only train combat skills. Ninjas in feudal Japan trained that PLUS hiding, pyrotechnics, disguise and impersonation, general strategy, meteorology, geography, horse-riding, etc.
I am not a ninja, and any bujinkan pratitioner who claims to be a ninja needs to reconsider the meaning of such a statement.
We fight like ninjas did, but that's it.
DarkMessiah6 1 year ago 29
@DarkMessiah6 But couldn't you say that you're a modern ninja?
TheEirikMan 1 year ago
@TheEirikMan I think I would only be able to make such a statement if I were to study the modern equivalent of their original skills. Maybe parkour, infiltration and exfiltration, piloting land sea and air vehicles, computer hacking, disguise and make-up, geography, firearms training and maintenance, foreign languages, anatomy, emergency medical procedures, and so on.
You know, secret agent stuff.
But that's just my opinion : )
DarkMessiah6 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 I understand what you mean, and I gueas you're right, but wouldn't you be a secret spy or agent then? I mean, you'd be a ninja, but at the same time you wouldn't. Ok, this is kinda hard to explain, but I think everybody practicing the Bujinkan is a ninja to some degree, don't you think?
TheEirikMan 1 year ago
@TheEirikMan Isn't a secret agent a modern version of ninja?
And yes, adding "to some degree" to the statement would probably render it more accurate.
DarkMessiah6 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6
while i agree with your dissassociation with ninja craze nonsense...
"We fight like ninjas did, but that's it."
i find this statement a little bit hard to take, considering the historicity of the lineage of the takamatsu-den arts.
there is also no evidence to suggest that ninja had their own martial art, or that such an art ever was or included in, ninjutsu.
i won't bother with all the links unless you really care about the history of the bujinkan, hatsumi, and takamatsu..
Arteanor 1 year ago 2
@Arteanor well... yes, I was being a bit too simplistic.
To be totally honest, I'm still waiting for the day when I'll have time to study the books and sources available. College leaves little time for regular practice as it is : /
DarkMessiah6 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6
then in that case, i recommend you check out buffon399 and buffonmusa (the new channel) tsoas2008, all make great vids on history of ninjutsu...
cheers bro
Arteanor 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 This is a true statement but as a fellow practitioner I have to remind you about inton no jutsu (I can't spell it right) which is the art of conceilment, infiltration, escape and evation. As far as disguise and impersonation goes you where a disguise every day that you wear normal clothing. Remember that ninja would usually disguise themselves as general people so they would be overlooked. It's not just the fighting that is taught in bujinkan. ( not where I train at least).
Tinorr28 1 year ago
@Tinorr28 same here. survive first.
phantomccqq 1 year ago
@Tinorr28
"It's not just the fighting that is taught in bujinkan. ( not where I train at least)."
what your teacher has come up with has not been taught at the bujinkan honbu since the 80s.... hatsumi has removed it
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
No....he hasn't.
BrokenTengu99 1 year ago
@BrokenTengu99
uh, care to provide some evidence for this ??
i wasn't aware that hatsumi wass leading training sessions outside the honbu...
please elaborate upon the specific things that ARE parts of ninjutsu, as opposed to hatsumi's ninpo taijutsu nonsense... it is an undoubtedly makretable name, but it was entirely dishonest... hence his withdrawal to a more inclusive term and one that isn't refutable simply by questioning his ninpo cred, Budo taijutsu....
doesn't make you wonder?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor referring to your earlier comment about Hatsumi removing inton no jutsu. Even though Hatsumi isn't teaching it anymore... could it be that he's just too old to teach it? Perhaps he hasn't actually removed it. If he has then that must mean that my sensei is older than I thought. But regardless I am glad I was able to learn some of it.
Tinorr28 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 maybe you should study that other shit. become a ninja.
xPsychoxClownx 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 THIS GUYS ARE OLD AND OUT OF SHAPE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY THEY SELL THERE BOOK'S ON HOW TO BECOME A NINJA WHEN IN FACT THEY DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE NINJA HISTORY IN IGA AND KOGA NINJA
maxismax100 1 year ago
@maxismax100 WHAT? SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU! PLEASE YELL LOUDER!!!1!1!!
DarkMessiah6 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 your teacher doesn't teach you tenmon/chimon, gunryaku, go ton no jutsu, etc? perhaps you need to find a more qualified teacher?
chucknorrispranks 1 year ago
@DarkMessiah6 Wenn du so etwas schreibst bist du garantiert keiner. EIn Ninja ist es in seinem Geist, in seiner Einstellung und in seinem Leben.
NikaKoneko 11 months ago
@DarkMessiah6 THE NAVY SEALS WILL KICK THERE ASS HA HA
maxismax100 5 months ago
@maxismax100 some navy seals rrain in bujinkan lmao
ordepolbap 5 months ago
@ordepolbap train* my bad ;)
ordepolbap 5 months ago
:-) GREAT! TAEKWONDO
diogosupertkd 1 year ago
bujinkan - very good taijutsu, good incorporation, but the 36 original bugei/kaizen are missing from the teachings.
korasho1 1 year ago
geill
salih38king 1 year ago
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BuddhaZenMind 1 year ago
just stfu up ninjas are real bujinkan practioners like me hold the title of ninja just because we dont wear shinobi shozou dosent mean we arnet ninja ninjas are real end of conversation
rickyirishman 1 year ago
Regarding the argueing over ninja's being real, I have a question for all you men out there. when you were kids, didn't all of you at some point think ninja's were awesome, i bet some of you even had halloween ninja costumes and watched the ninja turtles. also, even if they didn't exist the way some think of them, does it matter, the concept of the hollywood ninja is cool anyway.
AntiHero12109 1 year ago
fuck you guys are retarded what are you even arguing about, there were ninjas, they did kill people, they were essentially mercenaries whats the big fucking deal. Hand to hand combat, knives, poison whats the fucking difference in the end your dead. Im gonna put on my ninja gear and come to each one of your houses and surprise cock slap you for being so stupid. Argument finished lol
Boondocksaint1983 1 year ago 2
On almost every youtube video theres some kind of big argument going on in the comments v_v good video by the way!
vickyinhalo 1 year ago 3
" History is written by those who have hung heroes." Robert earl of bruce, braveheart
beatbox77 1 year ago
i just love how in the course of any argument on the internet, no matter if it's youtube or a forum of any sort, first there's the exchange of arguments or pseudo-knowledge (sometimes even real knowledge), then there's the exchange of insults, mostly in order to question the others' intelligence, and in the end, it always comes to the point where people try to show some superiority by pointing out other people's spelling mistakes.
WAY TO GO! because that's what being anonymous is all about!
Toreador42 1 year ago 2
„Haus des göttlichen Kriegers“ Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi !!!
TheRoccoMarkucci 1 year ago
Correction on type-o: UDONO FUJITRAO.
foreverjstylin 1 year ago
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@foreverjstylin @foreverjstylin
"Correction on type-o: UDONO FUJITRAO. "
both of your names turn up ZERO results beyond your mention of them HERE.
in english, AND japanese.
seems YOU are the one who needs to get their facts straight... or maybe cite a source like i asked.
Arteanor 1 year ago
You westerners know that NInjitsu was a art used for assasination, right? It's quite dirty and uses any means to kill the opponent, including dabbing weapons in poison, the partctice is mainly attacking from behind nd cheap shots. It's not considered a true martial art in Japan and some what looked down upon.
foreverjstylin 1 year ago
@foreverjstylin
wow... your about to get owned by a westerner...
there is no evidence to support the claim that ninjutsu is or includes a martial art...
its not considered a martial art anywhere, EXCEPT... here on youtube, where all the bujtards get butthurt when you point out that their schools claims to shinobi are entirely unproven.
what piece of evidence do u use to bridge the gap from history, where ninjutsu has no martial arts... to now when 1 guy says they do???
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Well if I don't put the word "art" in my comment someone is sure to get butthurt. Ninjitsu is assasination techniques anyway. Why its a 術(jiutsu) literally meaning technique. Then for some reason in the 20th century, when mixed martial art became popular, a mixed up version of jyujiutsu, bujinkan, and karate spiced up with some acrobatic kung-fu moves, was dubbed ninjitsu. Truth is it has nothing to do with actual Ninjas because ninjas don't use hand-to-hand combat.
foreverjstylin 1 year ago
@foreverjstylin
ok here we go again, round 2 FIGHT
"Ninjitsu is assasination techniques anyway." pure conjecture, no evidence for this claim, and to prove it, name someone assassinated by ninja.
"dubbed ninjitsu. Truth is it has nothing to do with actual Ninjas becaus" well, it wasn't dubbed, the ninjutsu label was HIJACKED... it was a marketing tool for takamatsu.
"ninjas don't use hand-to-hand combat. " sure, soldiers that don't fight... sure. thats sensible, got a source for it?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Uhh, yeah there is proof of the assasination techniques. No uniform martial arts though. In Japan there are 71 historicaly recorded (31 confirmed) NInja tribes. Two of the most famous being the Kouga and Isse tribes. They carried out spying, sabotage, and assasination througout history, alothough it is not known organized groups were formed. Ninjas or Shinobi are comparable to war contractors today. Easy terms: professional mercenaries.
foreverjstylin 1 year ago