@bigkittysmile I often think to myself, "if I'd only eaten more rice and extolled the virtues of central planning more instead of eating spaghetti, I could be a better martial artist. :)
@meanliar could be. try half an hour a day in a deep horse stance and working a lot on the basics. most martial arts in america is poor. kung fu translates as "hard work", not i want to go on youtube and show off my beginner skills.
@bigkittysmile I thought about that but then realized that so long as I was over six feet tall and had a sibling that we didn't have to hide from the government then there was no way I could ever be good at kung fu and so gave up and just bought a black belt instead. I got a certificate and everything! I'll be sure to let my Chinese sifu and his sibats know that they need to stop wasting time with all us gwei lo and that they should just try to figure out a way to sneak back into China.
Man, that is some funky footwork, especially the first line. A lot of hopping, more so than other CCK lineage videos on YT. Also why such long pauses?
The Vietnam lineages have those bungs/tiu po saus as quick steps in tai chi stances, but I was shown them as stomp/plant+trips. They really shouldn't be hops as much as I'm doing here, more of a shoot forward with a hard stomping plant. Either way the footwork on that first line is much more aggressive in the version I was shown.
The pauses were just for show - otherwise I'd run through the thing too fast for a demonstration.
if u'd really study the moves of any style u could make a counter style for that, there's always a counter punch/block for all hits. so no martial art style can be the best actually.
ok, here is some advice. basically you cannot control your body. make it slow, one by one movement. spend more time on basics, lan jie is too much for your level at that time.
i saw more than 30 lan jie routines on youtube, i give my advice only because your routine is not wrongly named as "Taiji praying mantis".
This is good advice. Hell, you can look at this and see I'm not tracking my hand-work through the first set. I'm with a sibat now getting a different take on this and my other forms. It's an interesting experience.
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Speaking as a dancer, an Aerobics Instructor and a Martial Artist; I'm just glad he only learned this to perform with and not for health or for fighting...
That's a pretty offensive statement to make about someone you don't know. I'll freely admit that I don't like or practice most of the techniques in the form, but just because it was done for a performance doesn't mean you should be making assumptions about what I can or cannot do.
I don't know brother, I have had experience with northern and southern mantis systems and It seems to me at each of your motions was... fairly clear with good posture.. A wise observer knows that form is empty and empty is form. I mean one does not fight like a form, but how one fights becomes ones form etc.. I am not quite sure why the young lady didn't see this, but I suppose we can all only ever see.. with our own eyes. In any case thanks for sharing. I enjoyed watching.
@sloppymantis i liked his intent but some stances were a little high, but going at tht speed i understand its hard to keep stance integrity. as for not controlling the body my sifu tells me that staying soft helps you move faster.
@MarmarAkaSeiryu My way is to relax as well. Not only move faster, but can change faster, react faster to feel and sensations and it is economical in the sense that you do not use extra energy. At first I had a hard time with muscley opponents, but now am enlightened and their rigid arms give me advantages. So I'd say your sifu is quite wise not like what they call here "MMA" which is more like "ME HULK! ME SMASH!" In this case often my opponent defeat himself.
@sloppymantis hahaha agreed. im still learning to be soft and control my intent when attacking. i do 7* mantis. people say kung fu doesn't work in mma it isnt true at all but they dont realize how much kung fu is capped when you take away chin na, and put gloves on. if any mma person went up against a kung fu practitioner w/o gloves and rules they would get raped to the fullest
@MarmarAkaSeiryu lol I would say it depends on the individual.. I enjoy the northern mantis alot and to this day still utilize the hooking (gow) and the hook (diu) a thumbless grab is also called Lap sau. soft is thumbless grabbing.. hard is use your thumb.. both have their place. MMA is a sport now so naturally you are not allowed to use good techniques.. perhaps this is meant to ensure no peasants can never resist oppression while they think they can? like mao made "wushu" for same reason
@sloppymantis yeah all of those tech.'s are nice ive got to say the ou lau choy is probably my favorite bridging move. and yeah i agree. i would really like see someone using jeem leem in mma i think it would be ground breaking. then maybe kung fu would get the recognition it deserves as far sports go.
@MarmarAkaSeiryu Eh that is where you and I will differ. I do not think it deserves recognition as a sport. There are enough "sport" combat things in the world. And frankly I dont want anyone recognizing at all so that it may stay a secret and useful tool to those who practice :) Ah yes gow low choy! Gwa diu jun! The 12 principles! hey if you check out my "formless form on halloween" I bet you will notice some mantis in it :)anyway have to run.. must go to work have a good one!
@sloppymantis well thats the thing i dont think it needs it but it deserves more respect than it has for those of us who actually practice it you know what i mean? and yeah 12 soft principles are awesome. and you have a good one too man.
...if you want, post up some videos and show us a form with applications you're comfortable with and I'll do the same. Its easy to make sweeping statements about prowess, but most fall pretty flat when it comes to 'put up or shut up' time.
I think you have beautiful animal fluid movement for a westerner. Well done, I'm impressed. Mantis is spectacular. I'm no expert, just a Tai Chi enthusiast. White boy too.
let me see.... read youtube comment... commuit seppuku... read you tube commnts... commit seppuku... hmm I have having a hard time deciding which is more painful, atleast the seuppuku would come to an end eventually..
Muscles are tight from nervousness and a desire to make an obviously "powerful" performance.
This is a form from the Tai Chi substyle of the Northern Praying Mantis system. It shares similar underlying principles of emptiness and fullness, circular generation of power and other concepts with Tai Chi, but it is not Tai Chi.
The Northern Mantis wikipedia entry has more on substyles.
I thought it was okay when I first posted it, but the more I watch it the more I see all the things I did wrong. I do it fast and there's power there, but its not a performance - its a martial art. Just doing it fast and strong isn't worth much if the subtleties, the technical aspects of the maneuvers, aren't there.
like most westerners he rushes the form and doesnt have the grounding or discipline of the chinese.
bigkittysmile 1 year ago
@bigkittysmile I often think to myself, "if I'd only eaten more rice and extolled the virtues of central planning more instead of eating spaghetti, I could be a better martial artist. :)
meanliar 1 year ago
@meanliar could be. try half an hour a day in a deep horse stance and working a lot on the basics. most martial arts in america is poor. kung fu translates as "hard work", not i want to go on youtube and show off my beginner skills.
bigkittysmile 1 year ago
@bigkittysmile I thought about that but then realized that so long as I was over six feet tall and had a sibling that we didn't have to hide from the government then there was no way I could ever be good at kung fu and so gave up and just bought a black belt instead. I got a certificate and everything! I'll be sure to let my Chinese sifu and his sibats know that they need to stop wasting time with all us gwei lo and that they should just try to figure out a way to sneak back into China.
meanliar 1 year ago
@meanliar yeah. its a lifestyle and a discipline thats the point.
bigkittysmile 1 year ago
Man, that is some funky footwork, especially the first line. A lot of hopping, more so than other CCK lineage videos on YT. Also why such long pauses?
Bandits108 2 years ago
The Vietnam lineages have those bungs/tiu po saus as quick steps in tai chi stances, but I was shown them as stomp/plant+trips. They really shouldn't be hops as much as I'm doing here, more of a shoot forward with a hard stomping plant. Either way the footwork on that first line is much more aggressive in the version I was shown.
The pauses were just for show - otherwise I'd run through the thing too fast for a demonstration.
meanliar 2 years ago
if u'd really study the moves of any style u could make a counter style for that, there's always a counter punch/block for all hits. so no martial art style can be the best actually.
ChainsmokingPothead 2 years ago
@ChainsmokingPothead well spoken
MarmarAkaSeiryu 1 year ago
the true form is no form!!
locusmem 3 years ago
having one of Bruce Lee's books on your coffee table does not make you a master.
drchango2010 2 years ago
ok, here is some advice. basically you cannot control your body. make it slow, one by one movement. spend more time on basics, lan jie is too much for your level at that time.
i saw more than 30 lan jie routines on youtube, i give my advice only because your routine is not wrongly named as "Taiji praying mantis".
big8templer 3 years ago
This is good advice. Hell, you can look at this and see I'm not tracking my hand-work through the first set. I'm with a sibat now getting a different take on this and my other forms. It's an interesting experience.
meanliar 2 years ago
good work but the music hmmm...
ogarts 3 years ago
Don't listen to the bad comments on youtube... Better to spend your time practicing...
Nomad101 4 years ago 3
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Speaking as a dancer, an Aerobics Instructor and a Martial Artist; I'm just glad he only learned this to perform with and not for health or for fighting...
GungFuGirl 4 years ago
That's a pretty offensive statement to make about someone you don't know. I'll freely admit that I don't like or practice most of the techniques in the form, but just because it was done for a performance doesn't mean you should be making assumptions about what I can or cannot do.
meanliar 4 years ago
You call yourself "mean liar"? Wow, that's awesome, I really take you seriously!!!1
panchamkauns 3 years ago
I don't know brother, I have had experience with northern and southern mantis systems and It seems to me at each of your motions was... fairly clear with good posture.. A wise observer knows that form is empty and empty is form. I mean one does not fight like a form, but how one fights becomes ones form etc.. I am not quite sure why the young lady didn't see this, but I suppose we can all only ever see.. with our own eyes. In any case thanks for sharing. I enjoyed watching.
sloppymantis 3 years ago
@sloppymantis i liked his intent but some stances were a little high, but going at tht speed i understand its hard to keep stance integrity. as for not controlling the body my sifu tells me that staying soft helps you move faster.
MarmarAkaSeiryu 1 year ago
@MarmarAkaSeiryu My way is to relax as well. Not only move faster, but can change faster, react faster to feel and sensations and it is economical in the sense that you do not use extra energy. At first I had a hard time with muscley opponents, but now am enlightened and their rigid arms give me advantages. So I'd say your sifu is quite wise not like what they call here "MMA" which is more like "ME HULK! ME SMASH!" In this case often my opponent defeat himself.
sloppymantis 1 year ago
@sloppymantis hahaha agreed. im still learning to be soft and control my intent when attacking. i do 7* mantis. people say kung fu doesn't work in mma it isnt true at all but they dont realize how much kung fu is capped when you take away chin na, and put gloves on. if any mma person went up against a kung fu practitioner w/o gloves and rules they would get raped to the fullest
MarmarAkaSeiryu 1 year ago
@MarmarAkaSeiryu lol I would say it depends on the individual.. I enjoy the northern mantis alot and to this day still utilize the hooking (gow) and the hook (diu) a thumbless grab is also called Lap sau. soft is thumbless grabbing.. hard is use your thumb.. both have their place. MMA is a sport now so naturally you are not allowed to use good techniques.. perhaps this is meant to ensure no peasants can never resist oppression while they think they can? like mao made "wushu" for same reason
sloppymantis 1 year ago
@sloppymantis yeah all of those tech.'s are nice ive got to say the ou lau choy is probably my favorite bridging move. and yeah i agree. i would really like see someone using jeem leem in mma i think it would be ground breaking. then maybe kung fu would get the recognition it deserves as far sports go.
MarmarAkaSeiryu 1 year ago
@MarmarAkaSeiryu Eh that is where you and I will differ. I do not think it deserves recognition as a sport. There are enough "sport" combat things in the world. And frankly I dont want anyone recognizing at all so that it may stay a secret and useful tool to those who practice :) Ah yes gow low choy! Gwa diu jun! The 12 principles! hey if you check out my "formless form on halloween" I bet you will notice some mantis in it :)anyway have to run.. must go to work have a good one!
sloppymantis 1 year ago
@sloppymantis well thats the thing i dont think it needs it but it deserves more respect than it has for those of us who actually practice it you know what i mean? and yeah 12 soft principles are awesome. and you have a good one too man.
MarmarAkaSeiryu 1 year ago
...if you want, post up some videos and show us a form with applications you're comfortable with and I'll do the same. Its easy to make sweeping statements about prowess, but most fall pretty flat when it comes to 'put up or shut up' time.
meanliar 4 years ago
What kung fu style do youpractice and who is your sifu?
cfG21 4 years ago
The Tai Chi substyle of the Praying Mantis system, under Sifu Ng Tai Man (Tom Ng) in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
meanliar 4 years ago
Oh i heard of him cool beans
cfG21 4 years ago
I think you have beautiful animal fluid movement for a westerner. Well done, I'm impressed. Mantis is spectacular. I'm no expert, just a Tai Chi enthusiast. White boy too.
DanShteFan 4 years ago
Not bad, but relax more.
blacktaoist 4 years ago
let me see.... read youtube comment... commuit seppuku... read you tube commnts... commit seppuku... hmm I have having a hard time deciding which is more painful, atleast the seuppuku would come to an end eventually..
ryanddd3 4 years ago
This is good for a white boy, but this is NOT mastery.
YouTvbeSucksMyCock 4 years ago
Pretty fiesty comments from a 64-year old man from Botswana. :p
meanliar 4 years ago
Great performance,but ur muscles are bit tight. And why is this related to Tai chi?
fuxinwang 4 years ago
Muscles are tight from nervousness and a desire to make an obviously "powerful" performance.
This is a form from the Tai Chi substyle of the Northern Praying Mantis system. It shares similar underlying principles of emptiness and fullness, circular generation of power and other concepts with Tai Chi, but it is not Tai Chi.
The Northern Mantis wikipedia entry has more on substyles.
meanliar 4 years ago
suppose u are right
still tho there was good intent there evidently
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
sloppy??
i thought that was excellent
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Thank you very much.
I thought it was okay when I first posted it, but the more I watch it the more I see all the things I did wrong. I do it fast and there's power there, but its not a performance - its a martial art. Just doing it fast and strong isn't worth much if the subtleties, the technical aspects of the maneuvers, aren't there.
meanliar 4 years ago
That's like any recorded performance- it's the #1 way to get better- record analyze record analyze record.
YouTvbeSucksMyCock 4 years ago
Woo Hoo!!! Yay, Pete!!
pinkorangered 5 years ago