Mars Hill Loves Women

[SuperDrSmart]

lol @ 2:22 "he CUMS to her".

[blubirdTN]

What else could Mary have done? Prostitute? Get a job at the mini-mart? She was a woman over 2000 years ago, she didn't have the choice but to be a mother. Women are the children of God first and motherhood isn't your salvation.

[enjoyallison]

I have abortions all the time

[WhiteStar11111]

Want to be a stay-at-home father?

DRISCOLL CURSES YOU.

[beamla]

I think it's hilarious that people take this stuff seriously.

[libbyandtai]

@beamla i think its Hellarious that adolf hitler believe in Evolution Theory

and you Agree with him

to an exstent

[Rekinava]

It's so good hearing people who have the Spirit of God burning within them. If i had unlimited broadband i could watch this all day.

[MasterOranda]

I always thought I was weird growing up because I want to be a wife and mother more than anything. I'm all for a woman having a good job and living on her own and all that...that's great! But MY inner calling and I believe most woman want as well is to be a wife and mother. I want that to be my job.

[YIPonwater]

Somehow I feel like if she told him "my calling is to be a lesbian evolution teacher and not have kids" he wouldn't be quite as thrilled.

[beamla]

@YIPonwater Amen sister.

[TamilianPonnu]

The title of the video freaked me out! For a minute, I thought he loved Women!

[bcgonynor]

Hey ladies, don't worry about having a career, you can just give birth to sons who will do that! We love you as long as you do what our magic book says! XOXO k bye

[belcantomomof5]

Mars Hills does love women! As long as they CONFORM to their narrow, legalistic, twisted view of Scripture.

[SpiritFlux]

fair point. some women are clearly called to careers such as Deborah the General in Judges. but there is nothing shameful with being a housewife and/or mother either.

[bigtakeshi]

what if mark's daughter came to him and said "daddy, God wants me to be a [insert career here]"? would he say "I'm sorry sweetheart God doesn't let women have careers." I'm assuming he wouldn't, but he doesn't mention that.

[AcaiBunch]

@bigtakeshi There are enough women with careers. Not enough women take on the Godly role of raising their own children. Even "stay-at-home" moms don't stay at home anymore. They take their kids to day care and go to places with WiFi to "work". We need MORE stay at home moms that take their CAREER as wife and mother seriously!

[fastdawg07]

@josephlang1... You totally misinterpreted EVERYTHING he said to fit your feminist point of view! What Driscoll said was that if his daughter decided to stay at home and be a mother that's her choice. But he has also stated that if she wanted to do something else, that's her choice. And when he mentions servants, he's talking about being a servant to Christ, following his lead, and not serving worldly and sinful men. Again, your feminist POV, which could be sexist btw, invalidates your point

[Domodeath]

@josephlang1 Are you going to Heaven?

[shine777]

you people who doesn't understand the meat of this message is clearly diluted... many feminists would look at Mary as a foolish woman who didn't achieve her full potential... the mentality today is that... women who choose to be moms are frowned upon...

[ulsterscotsonline]

you should watch some more of his vids, clearly states husband and wife are one (one flesh) and all are equal in christ

[Threshingfloor814]

@ulsterscotsonline Until one of those uppity women decides to take a leadership role. Then you find out that some people are a little more "equal in Christ" than others.

[hardrockin10]

SkyDog,

The world is full of sin like rape, murder, and injustice. . . just like it was in the days when the Bible was being written. This isn't God's plan for us, but since humans are sinners, we needed someone to free us of our sin. . . Jesus came and died for these sins, so that we could have eternal life. Therefore it is all about Jesus and how he died for our sins!

[mfentruck]

you say this isn't God's plan for us??? you don't believe the Bible then!! God CREATED evil, you can't know good without evil (they are in the same tree). This IS part of God's plan, not that we stay like this forever, but that everything will be reconciled. God tells us that he created evil.

[JarlEadwulf]

Where does it say that?

[ulsterscotsonline]

hmm well its `knowledge of` good & evil

presumably adam & eve knew neither before sinning?

[AbbeyNormal]

Yep, that's what my parents taught me! Flirt, date, use birth control, fornicate, and then have an abortion, in that order. Of course if you use birth control then you don't HAVE to have an abortion, but I guess to these people using birth control goes hand in hand with abortions and I guess gay Martian bondage too.

[chiodoce]

"but I guess to these people using birth control goes hand in hand with abortions"

It's bad to assume, you know. Driscoll's stance on birth control is different from your guesses. Check it out on Youtube if you're interested.

[AbbeyNormal]

I can't seem to find anything about that except for the masturbation video, so I'll let that go. Mostly I was referring to how he says that girls are "taught" to act this way as though their parents send them off on dates with explicit instructions to fornicate and have abortions. Maybe that's not what he meant but it's what he said.

[mrvincentmontoya]

Interest how both the devil and the spirit whisper to believers. How often the whisperer is only deciphered by the by qualifying the outcome of the events led by the whispering. Hm.?

[LViles]

this is off the subject of women, but for all you skeptics I would suggest you look up Voddie Baucham on youtube and listen to "why I believe the bible". If you understand the way history is recorded and accepted, then you must accept the historical credibility of bible or if you can't, then you must not accept most historical events as truth, because many of them are less documented than new testament happenings. good luck!

[sandtoscana]

Enervated Society - Existence of Jesus not proved???  Try the writings of Josephus a turncoat Jew in the pay of the Romans back in the day.

[Toledosteal]

Hmmm. So the lesson is "women can't do anything but have sons who might do well?"

This is the 21st century and the Mars Hill church is living the freakin' stone age.

[chiodoce]

Ehhhh *buzzer sounds* The correct answer is: he's basically saying that God has different calls on people's (women's) lives, just as He does men.

[EnervatedSociety]

How does he know what "God" is saying? From a book man wrote? Does he claim to talk to "God"?

[chiodoce]

God speaks to man through His word. That would be the Bible, which Christians believe is "God-breathed", or divinely inspired. Men wrote the Bible under God's divine guidance. This would explain how a book that was written by 40 different authors from different walks of life, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents, over a span of 1500 yrs, could still manage to be totally unified from beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation.

[SkyDoginthetube]

chiodoce

I realy hope that "totally unified from beginning to end" comment was sarcasum.

If it wasn't I have to wonder, have you even read the bible?

[chiodoce]

The entire Bible is about the coming of Jesus as the Redeemer of our sins. It's all about Him. Now if there's another meaning in the Bible that we didn't know about, please elaborate since you seem to know more about it than I do.

[SkyDoginthetube]

chiodoce

So in numbers 31 when god ordered moses to destroy the midenites and orders were given to kill all within the city, if you find a woman with child stab her through the belly so the child does not survive, kill the women and little boys but keep the little girls (it's not a party without gang rape) This was all about redeeming our sins was it?

I'd love to hear how that redeemed anyones sins!

[chiodoce]

Now that's not what you asked originally, is it? You're asking a question about God's wrath and vengeance, which has absolutely nothing to do with your question of whether or not the Bible was all about the coming of the Messiah (i.e., Jesus). You seemed to think otherwise and I asked you to elaborate on that claim since you seem to know more about the Bible than I do.

[SkyDoginthetube]

chiodoce

You said "the entire bible is about the coming of jesus as the redeemer" I pointed out a verse full of murder, rape, pedophilia & genocide then asked how is that about the coming of a redeemer?

In what way can that verse be taken to be about anything other than condoning horrible and evil actions in the name of a "loving" god?

[chiodoce]

That particular verse is totally about the holy wrath and justice of God, the creator of ALL life and who therefore has the divine right to take it. He's punishing sin in that verse like He does in other verses in the Bible.

We're dealing with two different things now. God's wrath and whether or not the Bible as a whole is about the coming of Christ. And it is. That was my original claim, and somehow we're off about God's wrath.

[chiodoce]

Go to Yahoo! and type in Matthew Henry's commentary on Numbers 31. The verse, again, is about God's holy justice. Because of His love, God provided a way for us to escape his divine wrath. That'd be Jesus.

Like I said, it's all about Him and you have yet to prove to me otherwise. I thought you knew something I didn't when you said that you hoped my comment was sarcasm. You being "indignant" at God's behavior still doesn't prove what I said was wrong in any way.

[Toledosteal]

Right and as long as that doesn't involve doing things on your own its ok for women to do whatever.

Pathetic how quickly people are to ignore the message behind the words.

[chiodoce]

I happen to think it's incredibly sad that people to try to find some kind of hidden, coded message behind plain English words as if it's all a conspiracy to keep women pregnant and in the kitchen. Again, all he is saying is that different women have different callings to their lives. Who cares if she's a housewife or if she's a missionary in Africa? If she's doing what God calls her to do, rock on. Single men AND women are out in the mission field.

[Domingo0022]

Amen.

[S1nApS3]

perfect :) glad to hear the truth :)

[redfish87]

Very helpful example with your daughter. Let God write the script of your life!

Thank the Lord for this ministry.

[joyfulhelpmeet]

great job mark!!!!!

[NoaahsArk]

I don't believe in Aliens, so basically I'm gonna spend all my time watching videos about aliens and trying to disprove UFO's. LOL. Yep. Cause I really have such an awesome life that I need to waste my time doing that!

[EnervatedSociety]

Not the case at all. Prove to me Jesus ever existed. You can't use the Bible. I want solid, testable proof. What is with the insult anyways?

[NoaahsArk]

Why can't I use the Bible? I think it's hilarious that people always say that. Are you afraid of what's in it??

[EnervatedSociety]

No, I have read it 15 times so far. (started reading it in my teens, I'm now well into my 40's) OT and NT. It does NOT prove he existed, In fact there isn't to much about him in it (NT) compared to the rest of it.

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk No one is scared of the Bible. I'm scared of people who take what's in it seriously, and I think you know why.

[beamla]

@NoaahsArk No I'm afraid that's its a whole lot of stuff compiled by different writers at different times. And then you need some kind of leader (preacher) to interpret the random stuff for you.

[SolaGratia87]

Honestly to say Jesus never existed is to be extremely willfully ignorant whether or not you believe in the bible and it's account of Jesus it is a historical fact he existed and any historian will attest to his existence this honestly is a ridiculous and uneducated comment to make.

[EnervatedSociety]

Any historian? Show me a credited Historian who will attest to his existence. I will then look into how he came to such a conclusion and show you ten Historian's that will say otherwise. I've been down this road plenty of times and the most anyone could say is "it is probable that he existed" which leaves open the possibility that he didn't. Given the amount of evidence, I say No. I'm not a person of faith. I need solid proof. Hearsay accounts are not enough. I do not answer "IDK" with faith.

[NoaahsArk]

How about Lee Strobel? He's a former atheist who did some extensive research and came to the conclusion (in his mind and heart) that Jesus was and still is real. How about me then? Can you debate with me the sheer fact that Jesus has changed me inside out? I am no longer the wretched vile sinner that I was for so many years. How about that? I guess you will say it was my "conscience" that did it, right?

Jesus. Is. Real.

[EnervatedSociety]

Thanks, I'll look into him. I don't know you, so I can't debate you whether or not Jesus has changed you inside out. That is hearsay. I can claim several things myself, but what would make you believe me? As for sinning, what do you consider a sin? The big 10?

[NoaahsArk]

Well, I think sin can be easily defined. It means to miss the mark or the standard of God's perfection and holiness. That's what I have learned because I was taught several different things. I'm bold about my beliefs because I was raised Catholic, and then was Atheist for many years. It was the love of a Christian (Christ in Him) that showed me that God is real. That's only part of my testimony.

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk Well, why were you an atheist? And what has brought you to this form of Christianity? Sins are either mundane rules that had already been figured out by human societies long before the Bible was ever written. (Don't steal) Or, totally absurd restrictions that no one takes seriously anymore (Don't eat shrimp, Don't wear clothing with more than one fiber, Kill people who work on the Sabbath) Either way, the Bible fails to demonstrate any divine inspiration.

[NoaahsArk]

@Threshingfloor814 that's your opinion, not based on fact. I respectfully disagree. Let me ask you something now. How do you believe that we are here? Did evolution do it? If so, what made the universe? Did it always exist? If so how is that possible? Why are humans so different than animals? If there is no God, then what is the point of all of this existence??

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk I'm going by what it says in the Bible and what we know about history from some very good scholarship. If you aren't someone who believes in a literal interpretation of scripture, then I guess you're off the hook. Do you think eating shrimp is an abomination? Right now, I believe that Cosmology/Abiogenesis/Evolutio­n offer the best explanation for why we are here. We are very closely related to higher primates.

[NoaahsArk]

@Threshingfloor814 so basically life started out of nothing. That's impossible. Something had to start it. You can't make all of this out of nothing. As for evolution, wouldn't the fossil record prove that evolution is true? Which to the contrary, it does not. There are no species to species evolution that is proved to be true, nor is there any transitional fossils found. Where are they?

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk Oh my word! First there are thousands of transitional fossils, you just haven't looked. Go to talkorigins There you will also find evidence of scores of examples of observed speciation events. Even if we didn't have one single fossil, the DNA evidence that supports evolution is strong enough to stand on its own. Please listen to your fellow Christian Francis Collins when he tells you to stop rejecting evolution, it happened.

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk You are misrepresenting the scientific community's position. We had MATTER to start with. Right now, we can go back as far as the singularity event roughly 14 billion years ago. Before that, we don't know what happened. We may find out someday, but we don't insert "God" into the unknown. We also have evidence that life can form from non living material. Scientists are getting very close to understanding that mechanism. you can make something out of nothing? How did God appear?

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk I guess I should ask what's the point of life if there is a God. It seems like our lives would be dedicated to kissing his hinder 24/7. Christians treat life like it's an 80-year layover at a truck stop where we can't wait to die because that's where the real fun begins. That amounts to a death cult. I can only speak for myself, but for me life is about doing as much good for humanity as you can while you're here.

[NoaahsArk]

@Threshingfloor814 Well, it's not a death cult. It's a relationship with our creator, who does not make us kiss his hinder 24/7. I am not going to sit here and say "oh I can't wait to die" because I love life! I actually do not want to die and get old. Are you a humanist? You sound like one with that last comment. You didn't answer any of my questions.

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk I think I answered all of your questions in the limited space provided. I still don't know why you were an atheist and if you think eating shrimp is an abomination. Well, Christianity seems to do a lot of talking about death and how WONDERFUL it will be. I would say that I agree with the majority of the principles of "humanism." Now, I'm sure you have been taught that "humanism" means "sex, drugs and rock -n-roll," but I encourage you to look up what humanists really espouse.

[NoaahsArk]

@Threshingfloor814 Eating shrimp is an abomination? LOL right. I bet you found that somewhere in the Old Testament. I know exactly what humanism means. It sounds like you have been fed a lot of misconceptions about Christianity.

[Threshingfloor814]

@NoaahsArk So you don't take the OT seriously? Jesus did. Those 613 Mitvah (including the shrimp rule) are binding. I was an Christian for 25 years before I deconverted about 8 years ago. Where have I been incorrect in my description of your faith?

[Roy5595]

@Threshingfloor814 I dont think so. Jesus didn't stone the woman, "worked" on the Sabbath, summarized the Law into two commandments, etc. Most theologians in that day summarized the law as Jesus did. There were the "justices" (that being "do unto others what you would do unto you") so no adultery, stealing, murder, etc. The rest were "jobs" of the law. Also, early Christians decide at the council in Acts 15 not to make the law binding. So, maybe its binding to a Jewish Christian but not gentiles

[Thethreshingfloor814]

@Roy5595 Okay, so you are a Marcionist then? A branch of Christianity that rejects the OT. But I would argue that Jesus said he did not come to change the law? So which is it? The conflicting sects of Christianity would seem to undermine the idea of an all powerful being with a single message...don't you think?

[Roy5595]

@Thethreshingfloor814 No I am not. I apologize, let me rephrase my previous statement: Jesus did say that. However, nowhere did Jesus advocate for Gentiles to become Jews and keep the Law as they did. He didn't even mention it to the Samaritan woman in John. Peter and James confirm this at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. I believe Jesus, Paul, John, and Peter all divided the Law over Leviticus 19:18. You can see the pattern throughout Sciptures: they all advocate for two commandments: Love

[Roy5595]

@Thethreshingfloor814 God, and love your neighbor, with little variation. That is the spirit of the Law I believe I am obligated to keep. So, no adultery, coveting, stealing, murder, etc (just as Jesus told the rich man in Luke I believe). So no, I do not believe in rejecting the OT. I believe Jesus came to teach both Jew and Gentile alike to keep the Law correctly, dividing it over Leviticus 19:18. The Bible is a complex book written many, many years ago. The OT was written by Jews, for Jews,

[Roy5595]

@Thethreshingfloor814 and about Jews. It takes extensive study to understand the NT and OT. Jewish tradition has centuries of writings on the Law and the OT for example. As for people who think differently than me... well, they're all heretics! LOL jk! The sects reflect poorly on us, I agree. But I would argue God is bigger than a book and one single interpretation. I have no problem with people having a different interpretation than me. All that I care about is that they love Jesus.

[Roy5595]

@Threshingfloor814 Also, Jesus' whole lesson on things going into the body not making someone unclean? That's totally against a traditional, binding view of everything in the law.

[Thethreshingfloor814]

@Roy5595 Well, then...why do Christians use the same scriptures that condemn eating shellfish to justify the discrimination of homosexuals?

[Roy5595]

@Thethreshingfloor814 As for homosexuality, heres my opinion and it is certainly not going to be a popular one: back in Biblical times, homosexuality as it exists now did not exist. Most of the time it was understood in connotations of rape, male prostitution, humiliation, etc. You're right, it is silly for them to use those same Scriptures against homosexuals. I would argue they are in violation of Leviticus 19:18. People get depressed and kill themselves over the harrassment. That is not ok.

[Roy5595]

@Thethreshingfloor814 By those in violation of it, I mean those who harrass and demean homosexuals. If you want to see more on this, youtube: Paul on Homosexuality. That cleared up a lot of confusion for me.

[Fleefles]

@Threshingfloor814

I don't see how Christianity can be considered a death cult anymore than atheism can. As an atheist, I fully support assisted suicide, even of non-terminally ill people, because when you die, that's it. Everyone is going to die and if someone wants to end it sooner, why not? Its not like we can regret it afterwards or feel sad about ourselves. Humanity itself will end, so I can't pretend the person who commits suicide could have done any lasting "good" for it.

[beamla]

@NoaahsArk Meh brainwashed bullshit. You should go back to Catholicism at least it has a level of class, that these start up ministries/businesses don't have.

[p3r272]

I appreciate your skepticism, I get where you're coming from, however you can't prove/disprove Jesus existence either way. It takes some element of faith to believe yes/no. I believe there is enough evidence to overcome the doubts, but in the end, it is a journey you must take alone. If you research it with an open mind, you will find there is historical proof that what the bible states did happen. I am not saying blindly believe it, but just do your homework, as Christians should.

[EnervatedSociety]

Thanks for not being rude. However, I'm not a christian. I'm not religious in any sense. I've searched up and down for proof of Jesus existence. I'm still yet to be satisfied with the results. Faith I understand but it's reason and logic that I use.

Cornelius Tacitus, Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, Flavius Josephus,Pontius Pilate, ect . . . Just mentions of what could arguably be a completely different person. I think thats really reaching. It's just not enough to convince me.

[p3r272]

I am curious, could you supply specific examples, references in the text that would help me to see your logical point of view? I see in some of those you listed references to a possible Jesus, yes, however I am baffled that the mentions in these works do seem to agree with the bible's account, that "Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate." -Annals 15.44. In Luke 23:1-24, it says the same. It could be someone else, but why mention it in Tacitus' work then? Thoughts?

[chiodoce]

Not to jump in here but you might want to read Luke 16:19-31, which talks about how NO amount of evidence will convince someone about things like this. It isn't so much the "lack of evidence", because it is plainly there. Even secular historians have acknowledged that a man named Jesus lived 2000 yrs ago, miracle-performing or not. It's the state of your heart that is the problem. We're sinners and we naturally run from God and don't want anything to do with him. Faith is really a gift from God.

[SolaGratia87]

You must be looking into some deeply biased historians, Because the Majority of reputable Scholars and Historians well agree he existed the most ridiculous part is you can wiki it and get references and resources on the subject and links to many historians. it's like iran's President claiming there was no holocaust .

[jessica5869m]

The following may help:

As previously mentioned: "The Case for Christ" and "The Case for a Creator" written by Lee Strobel.

Also "More than a Carpenter" and "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell.

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free" John 8:32

God's speed on your endeavor, for it certainly is the most important of discovers.

[jessica5869m]

Oops. Sorry I'm new to this. The comment below listing the apologetic books was for EnervatedSociety. Hope they help.

[mrzohansanler]

you are giving the right books to read to people who are ethiest