The Climate Sceptics TV ad - Green laws destroying Australia

[deathdeminlogy]

I love the dead kangaroo at the end... what did the greens burn it?

Honestly. Grow a brain.

[isaacbalson]

@deathdeminlogy it literally just said that lack of new water regeneration sources cause more forest fires... its not saying the Greens attacked a damn Kangaroo!

[MrMapex2010]

@deathdeminlogy Didn't you know this is what Bob Brown does on his weekends. He finds a roo, covers it in petrol and then watches it burn. Fuck there are some clueless people out there. The lack of water regeneration, grazing and not being able to make fire brakes lead to the bushfires being as terible as they were. If people had been able to graze cattle, water the area and creat fire brakes, the bushfires wouldn't have been anywhere near as tragic. Grow a brain and see past the greens bullshit

[dildomerchant]

sorry for wasting ya time- GREENS=CARNAGE. great vid , cheers.

[ASPAustralia]

Great Video Mate!!!

[Abe19James]

oh wow, what bigoted fucks

[zidane135]

WTF are you kids on about? Industrialized treatment of our one earth has had a much bigger impact on the environment. Water quality, air quality, salinity, erosion, etc.

We need a balanced environment!!

[NZtrillion]

this ad is not so easy to understand. perhaps it would be more effective if there was more talking with the catch phrases. you are just confusing people...

[lowey731]

i'm sorry but that is entirely ludicrous that you are blaming green policies for suicides and death. If you had any shred of forsight you would realise that our own sustainability and ability to survive is dependent upon the environment in which we dwell. Laws restricting the quantity of fishing, forestry and farming are there to protect the longevity of the farming, fishing and forestry industries, not only to 'keep greenies happy'.

[camelmerchant]

@tellthetruth5 ' We will forgive you if you become a member of the truth'

Sounds like a religious extremist to me, or just a sheltered fool.

[fishinwflies]

It saddens me to see what a green socialist wreck Australia has become. I went there in the late 70's and it was a great place. If people world wide don't wake up and get the socialists out of office we are going to have a bankrupt, violent poor planet. It is doom they are steering us into. Stop them.

[SirTorment]

Why make such bad ads? You could mention things such as: the climate cooling over the last 10 years, the correlation between heat increase and the pacific decadal occilation and the Mediaeval warm period!

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment All of which have already been debunked. They did have ads of these but since they were completely false I presume they took them down.

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind

Don't lie and make assertions. Every major sattelite data organisation in the world agrees that the climate has SLIGHTY cooled over the last ten years. NOT EVEN AGW ALARMISTS DISAGREE - WELL, the scientists, obviously you're just an ignorant believer. It is also a fact that we have a high rate of warming in the 70s, it is a fact that the pacific decadal oscillation occurred in the 70's. DO some research before posting please.

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Slight cooling over the past decade does not rule out global warming since climate change is measured over decades, not just the one decade. Nor does it change that its been the warmest decade on record. Also the pacific decadal oscillation is only one of many things that affects temperature. This has been taken into consideration in recent climate models see the report "Improved Surface Temperature Prediction for the Coming Decade from a Global Climate Model" by Doug M. Smith et al

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind So you'd like to measure climate over decades? Such as how in the early 70s the temperature was approximately = to the 40s...despite a large disparity in co2? Or the only slight warming we recieved over the last 20 years...Gee, I wonder how many decades have actually proved the myth....Or why don't we look longer term than decades...what about the Mediaeval, Roman and Minoan warming periods?

P.S why doesn't slight cooling disprove the myth...Afterall, science isn't a sharemarket.

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 1

Where are you getting this temperature = 40s in the 70's? And please don't tell me you're talking about regional temperature rather than global temperature, which by the way is the reason why there exist these warming periods you are talking about. They were regional temperature anomalies and did not reflect global average temperatures at the time. See the review paper "Climate of the Last Millennium" by Raymond S. Bradley for specifics of the mediaeval warm period.

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 2

Slight cooling doesn't disprove global warming because as I said global temperature change is measured over decades and variations in temperature are to be expected. From which date are you drawing the line that cooling has been occurring? Also that paper by Doug Smith et al. I mentioned before doe’s state that temperature altering anomalies like the PDO and others will lower temperatures in the short term but are not enough to stop the temperature rising in the long term.

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind Can you find I chart of the temperature froms satellite data please? I've seen many showing that the temperature in the 40s (sometime in the 40s or around there) APPROXIMATELY equaled that of the 70s (the start I think), the temp then cooled and rewarmed in the meantime. PS, please answer what I said before: You're happy to talk about the long(ish) term, why don't we look even longer term the 3 warming periods I mentioned.

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 1

Um, how have you seen charts of satellite data that show temperatures in the 40s during the 1940s when the first satellite ever launched was sputnik 1 in 1957? Also the first weather satellite was launched in 1960. Most of the satellite data I've seen comes from Roy Spencer and John Christy whose graphs start in the 1970's and show slight warming (but less than surface temperature readings).

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 2

Note there is also criticism about the accuracy of satellite data which you can see explained by Dr. Schneider at /watch?v=mmlHbt5jja4&#t=15m23s­. The paper I mentioned by Bradley before does contain a graph of several reconstructions of past temperature including one that starts at 0 A.D. Prior to that, yes the climate fluctuated without the interaction of man but aren't we talking about anthropogenic global warming?

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind yeah, co2 causes some warming, just not a dangerous amount, Lindzen shows that the effects of co2 are very negligible compared to other influences. E.g Until the 60s the sun was at it's hottest in 11,400 years, the loss of radiative cloud cover caused most of the warming thereafter. The warm periods prior show that our warming is A) Insignificant, B) that the world won't end or feel bad effects with a lot more warming. P.S Out of interest, are you a scientist or expert?

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 1

My readings seem to indicate that Lindzen's papers have been heavily debated. For example a study by Clement et al. "Observational and Model Evidence for Positive Low-Level Cloud Feedback" suggested that rather than clouds being negative feedback mechanisms, they are positive feedback mechanisms. Specifically, how far back are you going with prior warming periods? There was a decrease in CO2 (through increased weatherability of silicate rocks) during the Ordovician period ...

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 2

... which lead to massive cooling. See the paper "A weathering hypothesis for glaciation at high atmospheric pCO2 during the Late Ordovician" by L.R. Kump et al. The point I'm trying to make is that events in the past are not necessarily going to happen again today, what happened in the Ordocician period was not cyclical climate. Earths temperature today may seem insignificant to what it was in the past but humans weren't there then to be affected by it...

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind PT 2.

It may have not been satellite data but other temperature reconstructions that I've seen. rockstarearth[DOT]com/yahoo_si­te_admin/assets/images/CO2Temp­Chart1.144154731_std.jpg

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 3

... and what caused massive changes back then may not be applicable today. And yes the world won't end but the current eco-system might if the change is too rapid.

Finally, I'm not a scientist I'm a university student (so I hopefully will be one day).

[SirTorment]

@Neuralmind What answer do you have to that graph I linked...I'd be interested in finding out. I don't particularly care about the Late Ordovician...I simply made two points. The mediaeval warming period was much hotter than today --- much much hotter...there are no detriments we can find from this heat increase. Point number 2 is that I agreed that co2 plays a part - that part is insignificant and we need to quantify what it does.

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 1

The link to the graph you gave me is returning a 404 atm but its the same graph found on this page isn't ? rockstarearth[DOT]com/science_­behind_global_warming From what I'm looking at its a graph showing an increase in temperature and it doesn't show that the temperatures today were the same as they were in the 40's and 70's which was your original point correct? I've explained the Mediaeval warming period as a regional effect and not a reflection of global temperatures...

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 2

And by the way the mediaeval warm period's temperature doesn’t actually go above today's temperatures. From the Raymond S. Bradley paper I’ve previously mentioned: "Such analyses, when scaled to the same base of reference, show that temperatures from A.D.1000-1200 (or A.D.1100- 1200) were similar to the 1902-1980 mean (-0.04ºC), but ~0.35ºC below the late 20th century (1971-2000) average (Figure 2)."

[Neuralmind]

@SirTorment Part 3

Having said that, some global warming detriments such as the melting of the polar ice caps would not been seen in regional anomalies. On CO2 we do know what it does, it is one of several gases that absorbs longwave radiation (heatwaves). And there are many papers suggesting CO2 is a driving force in our current warming see "Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997" by John E. Harris et al.

[RyuDarragh]

What is needed on all sides is a large, HUGE, EPIC injection of common sense... rectally applied and *cold* :P

[BraniusBalki]

Haven't seen such blatant propaganda since the cold war.

[tellthetruth5]

@BraniusBalki Climate sceptics win greenies lose move on nothing happening here get a life

[Kamaviko8]

What a load of rot!

I can't believe you think you're serious.

And! It is pretty poor sportsmanship to malign another party.

Shame on you!

[tellthetruth5]

@Kamaviko8 We are the Climate sceptics and dont hide greenies we are coming to get you. We will forgive you if you become a member of the truth

[MoonSha]

Great ad very funny, voted five. You guys come up with the funniest shi

[Auggie56]

This is the whole idea, get rid of the man in the environment.

[marineninga]

i can't believe you guys finally got your party up and running! If i enroll this year i'll vote for you guys!

[tellthetruth5]

@marineninga Please vote for us everyone counts