Battery Powered SUV Recharges in Ten Minutes

[transcendtient]

THIS IS FROM 2006? WHERE IS THIS TRUCK?

[TK42138]

Sounds like battery development has taken the next step forwards.

[tnguyen318]

in just ten minutes. That is the same amount of time it takes to fill up your car on gasoline. But it will cost only $4.00 for 130 miles.

[rockbore]

They're bankrupt.. You might think that this industry would have too much government support to go bust, but the oil companies have always found a way to stay no.1. Did they scupper Pheonix. Maybe so, but the EV will prevail.

[rockbore]

So that was 5 years ago. Where is it now?

[bonecrime]

@rockbore I'd say it's in the pile of bullshit where it belongs. Charge from empty to full in 10 minutes? Seriously, who has a wall socket capable of delivering hundreds of amps of current? You'd have to connect it directly to a substation to be able to get that kind of current in most cases.

[conspiracy777]

I'm VERY skeptical about battery technologies.

I hear a lot of claims that are simply not true. They dazzle you with all kinds of techno talk and in reality they are just looking for investors and most of all government grants.

Fire Fly batteries by CAT are a really good example.

Sadly, I know that there are some very REAL technologies out there and some are rather inexpensive, but no one is giving them any attention because the developers are too small or are not connected to the right people.

[surreal5335]

@conspiracy777

Lithium is a very viable and great technology. I have personally experienced running a digital camera on alkaline, Nihm, and lithium... Lithium outperformed all the others by a long shot. Plus when you hold a standard AA and a Lithium AA, the lithium is much much lighter, no scale needed... Its very obvious.

[jayholman1]

refering to remote control vehicles.cars,planes ect

[jayholman1]

nano batteries are the way to go.remote control lipo are very small and damn neer explode if charged wrong.i couldnt imagine a mini cooper with 500 batteries catching fire.

[weedfan]

how much is an sut?

[emforty2]

America was #1 in Rail and Trains

until the steel and auto industry lobbied the Federal Government build concrete highways instead of high speed rail.

the most efficient car that runs on electricity is a RAIL CAR

[CrunkRockSteadyEvan]

its coming i hope, too much demand and to many need jobs for them not to do it

[datzfast]

and now i can go anywhere in the world without your permission. And you really hate that dont you. Well, its going to get alot worse for you very soon. your private bank account in swizerland is now visable to the government, and soon eveything is going to be transparent.

[emforty2]

oil barons are investing in battery buying up all the very few sources of nickel and lithium in the world

were do you think they're gonna spend the $40Billion windfall profits the make every year ?

they will own control and own battery patents and all car manufacturers will have to pay royalties to use them

they win ....we lose.....AGAIN !

[Punisher2all]

geez, i wouldn't doubt it. stupid oil companies

[datzfast]

the drug companies do the same, churches do the same, governments do the same. oil companies are no different.

on a brighter note, the gas car is pretty good. looks, comfort, reliable, cleaner than ever before, safer than ever before.

at least its not a horse, one in ten riders were thrown to their death durring their lifetme so cheer up. i bought a new gas car in 1987 and swore my next was going to be electric. now im wiser. it might be gas,

[madjimms]

Well, if my children's air is at stake I think I'll take my chances with some eco-terrorism on the oil companies.

Fuck Saudi Arabia FTW!

[LiquidChem]

@emforty2 dont worry. we now have safe, clean, free batteries. no need for these metals.

[billdale1]

@emforty2 Such pessimistic comments are irritating. If you really think that's what will happen, why aren't you doing something about it?! You're a defeatist! Besides, even the oil barons don't have enough money to buy up all the lithium, nickel, cadmium, etc., necessary to corner any such battery market-- there is estimated to be in excess of a trillion dollars worth of lithium alone on the planet! Who would be fool enough to sit on that much resource and not use it?

[gukonni]

Not bad, atleast I think so.

[Stringbender666]

Start investing in this technology ... It will be here to stay in the very near future.

Because it IS the future.

[HeliEye]

This needs goverment intervention.. or the oil barons will kill it.

Can't have the oil barons loosing money ;-)

Steve

[riohaga]

Too bad this vehicle will never see the market. Every year they push it back another year. The automaker that produces the bodies for this vehicle is on its deathbed and their battery maker Altairnano is a POS. They would have sold thousands during 4/gallon gas prices but Phoenix and Altairnano cant get their chit together

[tchadwick]

I am looking to buy a new vehicle in the next year or two. If this truck was for sale, at a reasonable fair market price, available in different colors, I would buy it in a heart beat.

WE NEED ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT CRAPPY LITTLE CARS. I LIVE IN CANADA, I NEED A TRUCK.

[fight141]

go to phoenixmotorcars . com, it has all the info you need on the phoenix suv and sut.

[gratiangaldau]

"Who Killed The Electric Car" google-video or torrent it anywhere

[whoybeen]

Ok now this is what I want to see, a 100,000.00 dollar tax break for small businesses that want to use this vechical. You know the same break the ENERGY DEPT. gave the fucking HUMMER.

[Carlibra57]

Great job, this is an excellent short video. I especially enjoyed hearing the CEO of Altairnano speak about their battery.

[etiennealive]

Good work !

[JohnDeBunkTest]

Quick, scale up production and begin selling these in every country.

[atsidlm]

Technology exist, but no one wants to sell it. Altair will just get bought by chevron like Oshinsky's company was

[neoartifact]

nano people, nano.. nano nano

[luisfcayo]

This technology is not new it is used in Dewalt drills and in oncoming GM vehicles.

[normellow]

NANO RULES!!

[immigranter]

And why isn't this in production and on the road yet??????

[mar8les]

Strong powers have been holding this tech back for years, there were electric cars 100 years ago.

[lamplightphoto]

Hmmm, if PMI doesn't meet the deadline Altair will be free to sell to any buyer, including the MAJOR manufacturers. ALTI stock won't be trading at $5 after that deal is done. I should pick up some shares. There are other lith tech battery manufacturers out there dying to get a deal with an outfit like Phoenix, so I wouldn't worry if they fail to meet the deadline. There's room for all of these EV's.

Do a YouTube search for 'zombie drag race'. It's awesome.

[billdale1]

Although I am friends with the people at PMI, if they cannot meet their deadline, they'll still do well, and the Altair battery will be available for more EV makes and hopefully for people such as myself that want to do EV conversions of their own gasoline cars. I would much rather use the Altair battery for conversions. It's a huge breakthrough.

[r4nd0mn4me]

I would love to get my hands on some NanoSafe batteries.

If you find some for your EV project and have say...11 or so extra, I would totally make it worth your while :D

[billdale1]

lamplight: delivery date is iffy; I am on the waiting list 4 the SUV. The main prob is legislative & safety hurdles that are terribly time-consuming: crash tests, interfaces for public charging, safety standards, etc. I suspect the oil &/or legacy car industries are behind all the delays, since they do not want a game-changing EV such as the PMI. It is the closest yet 2 a mainstream EV yet 2 enter the market, very powerful, plush, exciting... reminds me of a BMW. (cont'd)

[billdale1]

lamplight (cont'd): PMI has always said the SUT & SUV would cost $45K, not $75. PMI has never made an NEV (25 mph neighborhood electric vehicle). Tersus is 4 off-road use only: campuses, military bases, warehouse complexes, etc. PMI and Tersus use the same shell (a "glider", as it is referred to in the EV community) but the Tersus is actually more similar to the Miles NEV. NEVs do not need air bags, seat belts, crash tests, etc.

[lamplightphoto]

ALTI.. Stock looks pretty good. Seems to be weathering the economy. Thanks for the info!

Do you know if Phoenix will be able to keep their mid '08 release date as promised? This seems to be one of the better designed EV's and would make a good investment if it has solid management.

[billdale1]

PMI is building a factory near Mexico City 2 build EVs for other markets: Mexico, central America, India, other countries with less resistance to radical vehicles that are sorely needed. EVs for the US market will still be built in Ontario, Calif, though, for strategic reasons (tax breaks, ZEV credits, etc.) PMI has a deadline on Thursday: if they do not order enough batteries from Altair by that date, they will lose their exclusive deal for the best battery on the market by far.

[lamplightphoto]

From what I understand these are rated at 25mph tops.

A $45,000 Cushman?

[shambala14]

Did you pay attention to the video? 95 mph.

[billdale1]

LOL!!! Check your facts before you show your ignorance. I've driven the car twice at different car shows, it has excellent torgue and will do 120 mph, not 25 mph... although they have an electronic governor that limits it to less than 95 mph. If it could only do 25 mph, it would not need the crash tests to certify it for highway use. Go to their site, also google their crash tests which they passed with flying colors. Cushman?! That's a motor scooter! What's your problem?!

[lamplightphoto]

The Phoenix's new motor package (announced Nov.'07) has not been made public is not in production yet.

A Tersus (SUT) seems to be shown here as a promotional vehicle. Max speed of 25 mph, about $30,000 and is what I think you drove.

The Phoenix (SUV) has the killer specs, is expected to retail about $75,000. Phoenix has not provided an update since the 'new motor' announcement.

As an EV investor, I've learned to be leery of promises made by EV companies in efforts to boost share prices.

[billdale1]

Lmplt: U R confusing Phoenix Motorcars (PMI) w/ Boshart Engineering (BE), who makes Tersus; Tersus is NOT a PMI car. Both companies R located N Ontario, Calif; I personally know most of the officers of both companies, as well as 1 of the founders of Phoenix when they were located in Ojai, CA. I know Ken Boshart, admire & respect him deeply, but PMI & BE R no longer N partnership. My bro is a PMI investor; I'm an Altair investor, maker of the battery PMI has used exclusively. (cont'd)

[cant7think7clearly]

This is good news for EV converters too. Eventually those Altairnano battery packs will come down in price so that people converting their cars to electricity will no longer be affected by low range and long charges.

[LatteLiberal]

In case you didn't know, OIL is NATURAL. Its in the ground, some arabs are holding it hostage and we will get it back shortly. We don't need hybrids, electric cars or solar power. Vote YES for America. Vote NO to liberal junk science.

[ekuwa69]

Yes oil is natural, when it is in the ground. But when you process the hell out of it to create gasoline and then burn that gasoline, the effect of leaving behind 19 pounds of carbon per gallon is not so natural.

[maxdady85]

@ekuwa69 i love driving around my jeep knowing i'm putting 19lbs of carbon into the air per gallon:)

[BuffaloSabres134]

@maxdady85 I feel the same way :) Got a Jeep Commander

[JUKIO01]

damn, you are the dumbest person ever, seriously go kill yourself

[Neil2112]

Pathetic idiot journalism.

"Gee whiz, where's the tailpipie?!"

Seriously, with the Big 5 utterly failing to lead the way we have to put up with upstarts like Phoenix selling cars 8 at a time for $45k a pop.

If GM actually SELLS the 'Volt' hybrid I'll eat my hat.

[Dilekz]

45 000 dollar, Is nothing... you can easily get the money back with saving on maintenance and gasoline...and roadtax.

This is the best part: Buy solarpanels and you have a freee ride =)

[tooomp]

I see some skeptical comments on here. The biggest critique is the price. An equivalent truck would probably cost 28,000.  45-28=17 17/3=5666gallons times 16mpg=90,660miles to payoff if you do not include the cost of electric. Then consider the likely reduced maintenance ie. 20 yr. battery. Turns out this isn't such a bad deal at all and they should have no problem selling these to the Hollywood environmental type, just for starters.

[GripperDon]

They MUST price it affordably to get the company going. Get more funding, get more people, focus on making the transition from a research company toa product company. Go visit Steve jobs for both fundin and let him put managment people in to make this thing go. It's way to slow in getting out of the prototype stage to the product stage. You all need so better stragic planners.,

[BlkSerialKilla]

I watched this video and fell aslesp for 2 hours really i did.

[geoffreyphilip]

lol

[imnotgivingmynametou]

what was the point of that ?

[latinslav]

Innovation. It's how society moves forward.

[1StageMom]

I'd rather fly a saucer. We've had the technology for over 50 years. Go here on YouTube/watch?v=RzwauVZu6QU or write Disclosure Project. If you don't have time, look at the sample version.

[JUKIO01]

ya, and where are you going to get one.....

[pailesy]

converge your lithium ion battery cell with Sion Powers' lithium sulfer batteries and you have 50% longer charge hold and recharges 80% in under a minute.

[Raisinjeff]

$45,000 and you can buy one next year. It's worth it. Basically no maintenance costs (no muffler or any of that crap under the hood, no oil changes, nothing), you don't buy gas anymore.

[David777111]

Now this is the news I been wanting to hear. Less batteries and ten minute recharge.

[drgreenmwdf]

Ten minute recharge Gas no longer has no advantage what so ever now. Don't beliave run a search on telsa car 0-60 4 sec

[1StageMom]

Oh, yes! Tesla cars are even more cool, but a bit pricey. I think they will be close to this price in two years. I'd still rather have a saucer.

[zanzolit]

Fantastic!

[locketine]

hmmm...now can I see a video of the vehicle driving... and the price.

[SkyfireTheFox]

I want one of these!

[ambradfo]

FINALLY somebody gets it!!

[EvilMongrelMonkey]

Wait until you hear how much it currently costs. Even on Phoenix Motorcars website, there is no mention of the cost. For a while, they'll be taking a loss... until they can get volume up. It's a gamble that might not pay off. I sure as hell want one, and would charge it from my home.

[drivin98]

The first trucks from Phoenix are $45,000. Lots of folks spend that much on their vehicle already. And the price is supposed to go down with increased mass manufacturing.

[JUKIO01]

how much is it bitch?

[ParabolH]

i was reading the new york times a couple weeks ago and they were talking about ethanol fuels and how the government was thinking of backing them with money. if these electric cars have the same promise as ethanol the government may support them.

[JKDud]

This truck was on the white house lawn.

[billdale1]

EMM: it is widely known the price is $45 K, which is affordable for almost anyone since you'd be paying for car payments instead of gasoline-- and once the car's paid for, you're only paying maybe $10 a week for electricity: no tune-ups, smog tests, oil changes, tranny service, etc. EVs are VERY low maintenance. And by the time you pay for your EV, gas will probably be twice as expensive as it is now, making your deal even sweeter and smarter.