Bog Mummies

[1xelmox1]

Sir you look like a leather jacket

[lissiwill]

maybe the european is miscalculated - In finding iron - of course maybe an excitement invoking a O.o event - but look at the stress of the video . music , voice tone , hypothesis is very incriminating as opposed to scientific , maybe should tweak the spirit expression to less bias ? :)

[mckfrr]

@amandareuscer. Yes you did. I didn't misinterpret anything, here's an example, you said: Ancient Civilzations did not live in peace and harmony before Christians. That is what I was arguing, I already agreed with the rest of what you said, that religion isn't to blame, that people use that as an excuse. you should listen and read better. You misinterpreted what I was saying, perhaps next time read all of a person's comments before you write your own.

[amandareucser]

@mckfrr My comment was a response to a person called alth3s4me who was arguing that prior to Christianity that civilizations lived in peace and harmony, I was arguing against that which is why my sentence was structured that way. If you went to place where my original comment is and read what was said prior to it than you would understand. But nowhere in my comment did I say there was peace and harmony during Christianity, that is what you interpreted and not in the example itself.

[Wanda7771]

If someone does something awful and uses Christianity as an excuse for his actions then that's all it is, just an excuse. If Christ did not promote it then its not Christian. Christ did not encourage any form of violence, (unlike Muhammed) So these historic attrocities by so-called Christians are not really Christian at all..

[TheOnlyMaucatLP]

THE BOG SHALL RISE

[mckfrr]

@amandareucser. we didn't live in peace and harmony during the "christian period" either or did you forget about the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem Witch Trials, or the Reformation which good King Henry burned both Protestants and Catholics because he kept choosing wife after wife. Every civilization, even today has and still has the potential for violence, don't be prejudice about it. But you are right about human behavior being responsible not religion.

[amandareucser]

@mckfrr i am not saying we did live in peace and harmony during the christian period, you totally misinterpreted what I said. I was saying that its human behaviour that is to blame rather than the religion. It is the people who are behind the violence that are to blame, they are the ones who hide behind their faith and use it as an excuse. the examples you gave of religious violence are consider religious but rather religion was used as an excuse to the actions.

[mckfrr]

@KiraGarza. It is the same as digging up your grandmother, because your grandmother was a person, she was in a grave, these people were people, and they were in graves. If people get upset when their relatives are grave robbed, it's the same thing no matter the age of the body. You forget a lot of these peoples' cultures did not want their bodies to be disturbed, we have to respect their culture, it's not our decision it is the living culture's decision, and if there is no living culture then no

[mckfrr]

@KiraGarza. You still don't get what I am saying, you don't have to agree with me, but you don't have the right to call me illogical for protesting against you for my beliefs, that makes you discriminatory. Anyway what I am saying is that yes we can learn from them, and we should, because we don't know them we can also look at the materials they used or the clothes. After we learn about the bodies we shold bury them. You say you don't mind if people look at you, but they don't have a say.

[GayGreece1]

all Bog Bodies are dated back fromt he Ancient Greece and they are Greeks

[mckfrr]

@KiraGarza. They may not be able to find it's decendents, but it does have decendents, just like you are the decendent of your family, so it is the same thing, those people were people and would you want to be dug up and looked at without your decendents or your family's permission, I don't think so. So don't say it's not the same thing as digging up your grandmother, because you are way off target. Young or old, it is the same ethical thing. Do you understand that.

[KiraGarza]

@mckfrr lol I think you either didn't bother to read what I had written or are so wrapped up in your own views you can't look at something with logical sense. It ISN'T the same as digging up your grandmother! I am most likely NOT related in anyway to any one of the bog bodies. No I would NOT mind people looking at the shell that was once me to further their understanding of the time I lived in and how I died as long as I was treated with respect. My family etc would have nothing to do with it.

[KiraGarza]

@KiraGarza to be perfectly honest your argument is flimsy and you are taking it a little bit too personally. Can't you see this as a way to look back into the past of humanity and learn about people and ourselves instead of banging on about family ties O_O lol This is the ONLY way we can learn about the past, would you have us stop learning because you think it's icky to dig people up? If so you are very narrow minded.

[loveteamedward1901]

thats scary did they find any babies or anything if they did thats really sad

[KiraGarza]

@loveteamedward1901 I don't believe babies have been found but children have, about 10-13 years old I think. Babies and young children were indeed offered to certain Gods all around the world, via fire, stravation, knife, rope etc. At certain periods in history children were not seen as precious as many died young, so they were more expendable than people who were of more use. You could always have more children. Shocking by today's standards.

[morpheus9494]

these are my favorite kind of mummies :D

[mckfrr]

I'm so conflicted with this, on the one hand it's a great experience to view mummies, but on the other, these were human beings who I'm sure wouldn't like to be gawked at like a lab rat. Which is why pictures of them would suffice. But think about it, it's the same thing as them digging up your dead grandmother and displaying her body for all to see, put yourself in their shoes.

[KiraGarza]

@mckfrr I understand what you mean to a certain extent, but it isn't like digging up your grandmother as you put it as these people are so old that it is impossible to relate them to anyone living today so there are no emotional ties lying in kin etc

[KiraGarza]

@KiraGarza These people are still human beings and if you research they are treated with great care and respect, they are part of humanity's history and if I were to be found 1000 years from now I would be happy for people to learn from my life and the way I lived. Esp if I had been killed against my will I would want people to understand my suffering and why I suffered, or that I gave up my life for the good of my tribe.

[KiraGarza]

@KiraGarza These people are only shells now, I don't think they'd mind either way as their spirits, mind, memories etc are no longer present. These are a window into our past, about where we came from and we should cherish the chance to learn and understand, not become prudish and try and cover them up or EVEN worse treat them with our standards of religion etc it's insulting to who they were. Respect is the key word, you can have respect and learn.

[guy12446]

The archaeologist has such a manly voice.

[salma1001]

Well, Tacitus never was in this region. His notes only are based on reports from other romans.....and Christians, by the way, killed thousands of north european men because they didn't want to change their religion. Our river called Werra was red of their blood for many days...This is not very christian anyway ;-)

[jiimy21]

God Bless their souls. the one who did this i hope they rot in hell for eternity.

[KiraGarza]

@jiimy21 I understand your anger, but some of these people are thought to have chosen to die in times of great stress for their tribe. They often did not see this as being killed but more a heroic path, they thought by doing this they would go to the Gods and have a place in a version of paradise. Some are thought to have been outright murdered but some are thought to have been seers or priests who's duty it was to lay down their lives when called for.

[linzee4584]

I hate religion

[BataviNL]

Yes 0:17 sounds like eat a girl

but they call her.. Yde girl

Yde is a place in The Netherlands were they found her.

google to see wat she looked like

[Legolasas26]

Wow, people are crying over christianity that it was "forced" by them by some nice priest when you could have had more nappy time or watch TV for few hours more.Stop being such pussies, in ancient times if you didnt take the religion given to you , you would have been hanged, stabbed or have youre throat slit. Stop acting like being baptised is a very cruel and bad thing, being baptised is a walk in the park compared to other religions that existed.

[mvanl75]

No one is talking about being baptised, but about forcefull supression of indiginous culture and beliefs. Espansion of christianity in Europe was queit different from the expansion of churchpower into South America, Africa and Asia.

This went hand in hand with the colonisationprocess and was more about a rather exercise of brutal power and contol than about nice priests dunking yoy in some water.

[soumoleque]

Some of them were criminals, some sacrificed. On the one hand, when describing the germanic tribes, the roman author Tacitus talks about people being sacrificed every year to the goddess of fertility, Nerthus. Then they were thrown in a lake. That is a ritual that must have been the same year after year for many generations. Unfortunately that lake hasn't been identified yet. On the other hand, most of these bog mummies were killed in such different ways that they can't possibly be sacrifices.

[XenothDragon]

@soumoleque

Tacitus also mentions that the Germanic people punished and killed traitors, desertes and cowards and then throwing the bodies into the bogs.

[janeym]

I bet there has been someone over the years who was walking in that area and got a little creeped out by seeing them. This is the real life version of the dead warriors in the lake in the Lord of the Rings movies, The Two Towers I think. Really interesting!

[korlat1]

Human sacrifice isn't a new concept. Didn't Christ supposedly offer up his life for humanities sins?

[highyellowmusic]

Don't be oblivoius to what you are saying. These bog bodies predate christianity, and religion. This was done in a pegan minded concious world

[mvanl75]

Obviously the don`t predate religion, just the christian one. Which, in the eyes of most northern tribes could be considered a pagan religion itself.

[nickjm007]

Well, yes, the Chirst myth tells of a sacrifice as do many other stories. It is more often than not impossible to be certain the myths, legends, and stories recount actual sacrifices or if they are retelling ancient stories they heard themselves. Ancient Greeks supposedly made human sacrificed as well as many peoples before them.

[ancientegyptiansmile]

touche.

[ancientegyptiansmile]

Yeesh, I feel like I should be writing a complicated and intense comment about my views on religion. So here it is:

Barney scares me.

OH! BURN!

[coopsgeyer]

dosent bog mean BEST ON GROUND?

[gem095]

amazing.

[amandareucser]

if you hear all the bog bodies were slaughtered pre-christian period. ancient civilizations did not live in peace and harmony before christians, take the aztec who sacrificed 2,000 people in four days and maked carvings to recognise this, or attila the hun who slaughtered thousands. religion isn't to blame its human behaviour, we misinterpret most things, and only use common sense when we have exhausted every other alternative

[awesumblossom]

that reply was hot! ;D

[jordiejosh]

Good point how ever there is still horrible things going on

[amandareucser]

i didn't say that as an excuse. terrible things happen but thats human behaviour and not religions fault.

[DuchessAliana]

Thank you, someone who actually PAID ATTENTION to the video. The narrator CLEARLY states that the bodies are from a "pre-Christian" period, and that they were most likely victims of human sacrifice. It amazes me how dumb people can be sometimes *headdesk*

[DouglasWFletcher]

@amandareucser Well said. You have an obvious gift for seeing through the BS. Forgive my crudity, but I gotta be me.

[Talbuk]

@amandareucser

sure mate, and what about the crusades?

bullshit..

[amandareucser]

@Talbuk if you read the comment properly you would see its aimed towards human behaviour. how can religion function without human behaviour?

[Talbuk]

@amandareucser

sry mate, guess that i have just stopped reading after '' ..who slaughtered thousands''.

you are right, but this behaviour is often formed by leaders of religious groups. but that is an other issue.

[XShotGuyX]

@amandareucser of course and don't forget the "holy" crusades

[allth3s4me]

Answer to a comment I saw before: ONLY christians could slaughter old people for witchcraft, not before. All violence came in with christianity. At least that's how it was with my culture.

[allth3s4me]

Bullshit! All ancient people lived in peace and harmony BEFORE christianity when crusaders came and slaughtered everyone. There were wars between the tribes but without inhumanity. Human sacrifice existed for some cultures but not in the way these dumb historian asses expound it.

[niamtxiv]

agree. all ancient people did lived in peace and harmony before christianity. they slaughtered thousand of people. forced people to convert in the name of god. even today many are still being force to convert.

[FallenLovesX]

well all i can say is that religion is hopeless...

its a excuse given to people. we all want someone to look up to, to rely to.

all these wars were brought up by religions!!!

the age of the crusade brought lots of deaths!

pointless

[Matty6900]

completely agree with you and in the qouting fashion of religion freaks I say "If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." [Voltaire]

[rooski8]

with out religion alot of poeple would be lost in life , and there would be mass chaos back in the olden days, because only rules they followed were the kings( if there was one) and religios beliefs, so dont say religion is pointless , and even if there was no religion people would have made up one and maybe would have started more war , more gruesome and violent that the ones that passed.

[Matty6900]

-the 'olden' days aren't relavent to todays society.

-don't tell me what to say, I'm entitled to my opinion

-people DID make up religion, so the end doesn't make sense

[rooski8]

no one forces religion on you , you can choose , be good and sort of do what the bible tells you to do or just be a dick and hate people and everything and burn in hell. i dont care its not my soul.

[Matty6900]

people do force religion on you - its called baptism, sombody puts the cross on your head before you can speak for yourself. As for being good - you dont need a religion to tell you not to be an asshole. Burning in hell is a christian concept so I'm not sure why you said that to me....I'M NOT CHRISTIAN

[BoyintheMachine]

One of the things I find fascinating is that people are stuck on one explanation for these bodies, like they were all sacrificed. They weren't all sacrificed. For example, at least on of the bodies is an old woman. You only offer up the best to the gods so it would be offensive to sacrifice an old woman. However, it may have been punishment against the woman for 'witchcraft'. Amazingly, the notion that certain women have powers is pagan in origin and dates far before christianity.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) The bog would be a perfect place to dispose of a body, so i suspect that a lot of killers simply dumped the bodies of their victims in bogs. Other bodies might have been executed criminals or hostages taken in battle.

[BoyintheMachine]

W/ regard to human sacrifice, the Celts, like all cultures, performed this. The candidate would be one of the Druids (the learned class) and not a regular person. You offer up something holy to the holy, so only a druid would be considered 'holy' enough for sacrifice. Also, the Celts believed in 'specialness' as a sign of 'holiness' or divine. Extreme beauty, deformity, homosexuality, lameness, even having eyes of a different color, would qualify a person for sacrifice.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) We can tell a lot from the objects the Celts sacrificed. For example, coins and swords were bent before being offered to the gods. Holes were drilled into cauldrons or else they were broken before being offered. The object, or person, sacrificed must be 'cut off' from the realm of mortals. Thus human sacrifices might have part of their heads shaved, or something else done to them to seperate them from the realm of mortals prior to their deaths.

[BoyintheMachine]

(continued) Some human sacrifices might have gone willingly to their deaths, meaning they might have viewed it as a great honor. I suspect that a lot of the victims were either drugged or fed hallucinagenic or toxic plants to make them more controlable.

[wwworldclique]

I think the idea floating around that the bog vctims were sacrificed is one of the most obnoxious and irritating things I've ever heard. If the bodies were killed due to human sacrifice and religious belief, the way they died would've been similar, because that's the nature of rituals, to perform the same act in the same way.

Yet here you have all these bodies killed in vastly different ways, whether it be blows to the head with an axe, throat violently slashed, strangulation or hanging.

[wwworldclique]

There was even one guy who was tortured before being killed, then dismembered. What culture on earth performs a religious ritual- whether sacrifice or otherwise- a different way each time?

It's so obvious that these ppl were either executed or victims of cold-blooded murder. But I think historians are so desperate to romanticize the Celts that they refuse to believe that they had sadistic thieves, rapists, and killers like we have now in the modern world.

[soumoleque]

In Denmark they had Germanic tribes, not Celts. The Iutes, who later invaded England, came from the area of the Tollund man.

[sonofherne]

@soumoleque .Denmark and Germany both had celtic tribes as well as Germanic during the Iron Age...also Belgium, Switzerland,Austria. The famous CELTIC Gundestrup cauldron was found in Denmark.

[sonofherne]

@wwworldclique .I don't think they were all sacrifices, but a fair share probably were. There are strong similarities in a large number,garrotting and stabbing of the neck in particular (with garotte left in place), a similar last meal and, most tellingly, they have hands that show no signs of hard labour as if these people were already somehow different, kept apart. A few have actual physical differences that would set them apart such as a lame foot or extra digit.

[BoyintheMachine]

My theory: 'The Bogey-Man' might have come from the finding of these bodies which were then used to scare children. (Be good or the bog man will get you!) Other names for 'The Bogey-Man' include; bogie, boggart, etc. (Interesting, 'bogie' is also military/pilot slang for unidentified aircraft/UFO.)

[gnanmorder]

Why is it the everything non-christian is "superstition"? I say christianity is the biggest superstition.

[BoyintheMachine]

gnamorder: "The gods of the old religion become the demons of the new religion." -Margaret Murray. It's religiou propaganda and it occurs to this day, be it for the better of society or not.

[raegiorem]

BOG mummies are creepy!!!

[rhysie21]

Why do people turn black when they die?

[roudy1689]

JUST SOME KID TRYING TO GET SHOCK VALUE

[AsianHomie54]

Eat a girl? WTF?

[inesive]

maby he ate a girl back then and got punnished by it. =P

I don't know, just made a teory

[silentfighter2]

did i see batman?

[Vi3tGrl3]

aha xD

i think thats just a helmet.

[scorpius319]

Nope disagree, the bog bodies hold SOME answers, but mostly just more clues and whole lot of more questions.

[Iwtlv]

This video is too dark to see anything!

[RadicalComedy]

This is very cool....but sad too...what a horrible way to die for many of them. ~Raven

[BOWIESMINION]

Ive been told I am FULL of useless inforamation.... damn... Whats wrong w/ " never stop learning"

[dhongjhez]

wow

[chelito192007]

totally awesome dude

[CyclingSJH]

Excuse me? that is so useless. I marked your comment as spam. I wish it also had links for "useless", "racist", and "ignorant"...but I'll settle for "SPAM" for now.

[SpicusMojificus]

I don't think marking it as "spam" worked but verycoldice2 is truly a complete moron. He's wrong on so many levels its not even funny.

[MastaRikta]

Did he just... DRINK the acid water?

[Shmiittey]

but remember all this complex way of mumififing the body jus happened

[sandbarwillow]

My girlfriend kinda looks like a bog mummy...

[phenomenalgrl]

LOL!

[aznflayva]

does she acidy secretions?

[saphire82]

I hope she doesnt find out you said that lol

[dungohs08]

lol u should be proud of that

[MallChick3]

Sweet!

[o7jimmy]

Makes you think how people come up with this stuff.

[CraftLulz]

can't see shit!

[streetracer13]

interesting :)

[djcritikalmusik]

Good stuff. Archaeology ROCKS! (if you can pardon the pun)

[KCGary]

LOL

[ubuibiok]

poor lighting

[thedoubletake]

GOOD THING

this creeps me out