TPMtv: Sunday Show Roundup: No Rush

[IowaArmen]

wanna cut spending? get rid of social security. people should work no matter how old they are. how did reaching a certain age become a license to loaf? s.s. is the ultimate welfare program. as long as it exists any other spending cuts are just a joke. but no tea baggers address s.s. do they? hmm, i wonder why? not to mention medicare, the abomination that steals medicine out of baby's mouths in favor of people who'll be dead soon anyways. brilliant!!!

[mabrown84]

Death Panels, Haha when your doctors says you need a medical procedure, he has to clear it with your insurance provider first. So isn't the insurance company one big "death panel" because if they say "no" your ass is dead!!!

[SirPwn4lot]

I have no problem what-so-ever with the Conservative position. I disagree with it, but if you possess that position then fine, its your business.

I do, however have a problem with them lying a warping the truth to scare citizens onto their side.

[stoptherightwing]

Lieberman, I sure hope Baldwin goes and knocks your As* out of office. You proved your BS in the 2008 election and "put off health care reform" until we're out of this depression? Yes, let's drop your effin coverage too and see how long your old as* makes it before you go BK?

[SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1]

reading comprehension isint your strong suit apparently

[MrYoubrian]

My advice to Senator John McCain- LEAD!

Have private back room meetings.

1. Tell Sarah to shut up, she is scaring republican vets and seniors with her lies. Tell her to tow the line if she ever wants your support again.

2. Tell Steele the same. Shut up!

3. Tell Boner, he cannot go on TV for 6 months! And oh yea, shut up!

4. Talk to Nancy, tell her of the huge favor you just did for her. Tell her she WILL start to work with you to straighten out this H/C mess.

THEN LEAD!

[wowhornby]

Did hitler give health care to everyone? I guess obama is hitler also because he decided, "gee, I was ELECTED because people demanded health care."

I'm so sick of these pundits saying "don't but a beauracrat btwn you and your doctor. WELL. if you have regular insurance, that's what you're stuck with anyway."

[STEEEVVYZ]

the public option has become such a lightning rod. The American Medical Association is dead set against it, Big Pharma rejects it out of hand, and the biggest insurance companies won't consider it. No other issue in the current healthcare debate is as fiercely opposed by the medical establishment and their lobbies now swarming over Capitol Hill. Of course they don't want it. A public option would squeeze their profits and force them to undertake major reforms. That's the whole point.

[epicstyle28]

Sayestohealthcare1

How about we break down the HR 3200 bill and see what were working with.

The below listed link will take you to a video that has info on Gov having direct access to your bank account.

Also in the notes I have several links to 2 of which are different websites that breakdown the HR 3200 bill plus answer any questions you might have.

Hope this helps,

God bless

Video link below

watch?v=v4NN-kHO2Nk

[SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1]

Critics charge that the public plan will be subsidized by the government. Here they have their facts wrong. Under every plan that's being discussed on Capitol Hill, subsidies go to individuals and families who need them in order to afford healthcare, not to a public plan. Individuals and families use the subsidies to shop for the best care they can find. They're free to choose the public plan, but that's only one option. They could take their subsidy and buy a private plan just as easily.

[jjhays36]

Sounds good doesnt it shopping around, one problem though is the public option is if you enroll you may never disenroll, AKA medicare. essentially private insurance will be gone in a generation, good riddance, I am sure the Govt can run it better like VA and tric-care.

[SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1]

FALSE THAT IS A OUTRIGHT LIE!! and you KNOW IT

[jjhays36]

How is that a lie? it is right there in the bill, once you enroll you cannot. Same with medicare, once you are on medicare, it is your primary source of insurance everything after that is ancillary. There is nothing wrong with that, that is just how medicare works and how this plan will work.

[SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1]

Critics say the public option is really a Trojan Horse for a government takeover of all of health insurance. But nothing could be further from the truth. It's an option. No one has to choose it. Individuals and families will merely be invited to compare costs and outcomes. Presumably they will choose the public plan only if it offers them and their families the best deal -- more and better healthcare for less.

[Jeijo1]

aah mcain is swirling like a snake he is hahahah can't even admit that he is wrong

[brandonhansentx]

No offense TPM, but you put a D next to Lieberman while CNN got it right with I for Independent. The Dems don't want that cowardice cunt back in the party.

[MyImago]

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending. (Sitka)

The Republicans and or Obama plan, is just more of the same. Plenty of profit for the greedy pharmaceuticals and the health care companies. We should model the European Plan, is just 10% of their GDP & we'll save 1 Trillion dollars a year.

[diffidatio]

Why do people still speak of McCain as a straight-shooter or admirable guy? To see him defend and rationalize Palin's irrationality - over and over again - is no better proof that he doesn't stand on principle. He's a pathetic sell out. Thank god he didn't become president.

[CaramelAnt]

Lieberman believes that money is more important than morals.

Because he's a jerk.

[eminance67]

McCain was eating shit through that entire interview.

[lamouchemorte]

Lieberman has no credibility.

[lamouchemorte]

Yes they do, but why!?!? I don't get it.

[Magurufukuru]

I know Joe didn't say it but I'm going to pretend he said "three fifths of a loaf"

[dkkght46]

A $300 million cash-for-clunkers-type federal program to boost sales of energy-efficient home appliances as washing machines and dishwashers, but its probably not enough to lift companies such as Whirlpool (WHR) and Electrolux out of the worst down cycle in the sectors history. The program authorizes rebates of $50 to $200 for purchases. The money is part of the broader economic stimulus bill passed earlier this year.

GOD HELP US...

[marniespeaks]

No Public Option expect riots

[Magurufukuru]

Americans don't riot anymore. They're too afraid of getting injured and not having any insurance.

NOW DO YOU SEE?

[marniespeaks]

where were you during the DNC and RNC conventions?

just cause it ain't on TV doesn't mean is don't happen

[camble1234]

meh

[Shiftyeyes516]

WOW - Lieberman the flounky strikes again - why did they let this dummy back in the Dems party and McCain always want to be a follower and never a leader - this is why he was never elected to be President - who in the hell think that Palin idiot is the voice of reason .

[quadfunk]

I can't believe McCain is trying to defend what that idiot said. Why doesn't he distance himself from her, all she is now is a run of the mill joe sixpack internet blogger. She deserves ridicule.

[Magurufukuru]

People like John McCain cannot ever admit that they are wrong or their entire worldview becomes untenable and they have to commit suicide to avoid going insane.

[gisforgary]

Palin/Bachmann 2012! Free helicopter rides for seniors!

[publicgood]

Look at McCain's angry lazer beam eyes at 4:20

[quadfunk]

maybe that had something to do with 4.20

[Realizalize]

i give you the prescription of

two glasses of water on a coffee and charge each 50$. why? because it is between me and you and it helps you.

and yeah , get the insurance company and drug dealer out of the relationship of me and my doc, who is the same doc for 10000 others in his worklife.

oh and how about pills that don`t do nothing but equalize the sadness of ppl

that might feel that way elsewise? good idea.!

[KruNae]

"Death panel isn't correct...but I agree with her". Thank god he didn't win. It would be 4 years of that cougar running her mouth on TV and this old guy trying to cover for her. She should just get a show of her own.

[novazembla]

the question is, does McCain believe this crap or doesn't he? he looked awfully uncomfortable with Stephanopoulos's questioning, which makes me think he's sticking to the talking points against his wishes, but maybe i'm being too generous to old John. every time i see him, it bums me out. someone should write a novel about him, he's a tragic figure.

[hellshade2]

the problem here is not just healthcare reform unfortunately it's also gobverment reform. the main reason we can't get things done for america and americans is the fact that most of our politicians are in the corporate pocket. whether it's big oil ,health insurers or whoever.

our politicians do not work for the people they work for the person lining thier pockets with money thru lobbying.

anyone that thinks these guys take the job for the paycheck is crazy...

[taoofmichael]

Fuck all Republicans. Fuck Leiberman. And fuck McCain up the ass. He is AGAINST doing best practices studies, to assure the best outcomes for our health care dollars? He is AGAINST THAT?? Republicans have opposed every good thing that has ever come out of government, including Social Security and Medicare.

Put up a public option and MAKE THEM ALL VOTE ON IT. I want Leiberman, McCain, Grassley, Baucus, Nelson, ALL OF THEM ON RECORD VOTING AGAINST HEALTH CARE REFORM. Then pass it anyway.

[mathom78]

Bipartisan does not = better.

[KruNae]

it = mediocrity.

[baronmorris]

JOE LIEBERMAN, you droopy dog mofo, hurry up and lose your seat. :-)

You never were a Democrat, you corrupt neocon bitch.

[spikesmth]

LOL McCain is such a waffler... he always brings up Palin talking points and then has to distance himself from it. When will the GOP just go away so the grownups can run this country?

[MyImago]

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of our gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending. (Siska)

The Republicans and or O'bama plan, is just more of the same. Plenty of profit for the greedy pharmaceuticals and the health care companies. We should emulate the European Plan which is just 10% of their GDP & save 1 Trillion dollars a year.

[baronmorris]

The Republicans have NO plan.

If the Obama plan is so great for Big Pharma and Big Insurance, they wouldn't be spending 1.4 million dollars a day propagandizing against reform.

Single Payer would be ideal, but I'll take the incrementalism of a public option over the downward spiral of Bush & Co.

It's hard to move forward in a giant leap when we have to drag the half of the country at the bottom of the bell curve along with us.

p e a c e

[hawie55]

Damn Lieberman he's gonna screw Obama again i can feel it.

Who would have thought he woulda showed up at the RNC.

[SquallCloud]

Leiberman is scum. I hope Conn votes in a progressive or at the very least a real democrat.

I know I'm voting against doddering DINO Arlin Specter and for Joe Sestek whom really seemed to know this issue inside and out when I went to his town hall.

I hope the Progressive Caucus don't budge. the public option was already the compromise from Single Payer.

[baronmorris]

the truth of the matter is that LIEberman's true political party is LIKUD.

just sayin

[hawie55]

Oh ya he pledge allegiance to the white/blue not the red/white&blue. I think the major reason Lieberman switch parties was cause obama wanted to get out of iraq and focus on Afghanistan and also didn't wanna go into iran. Which all those are Israeli interests obviously.

McCain wanted to go nutz on iran and middle east in general.

[mexcurmudgeon]

It's not choice of plans we need, it's choice of doctors, and the freedom to be able to afford them. Under the insurance companies we have neither. We need single payer now!

[IonicStormFront]

Hey Lieberman you lying sack of Jewish Zionist shit.......Fuck You.

[yanks1022]

Well you have republican's preaching how bad government is, and how untrustworthy they are. And they get into office, and congress and they prove it. When they make decisions that lack regulation, and they give tax breaks to the VERY WEALTHY, they prove they are incompetent to run government. When you have people, such as the conservatives that do not have the best interests of the people in mind, and only big business, aka INSURANCE companies, the only people that win are the millionaire CEO's

[Richardgwm]

We have death panels now. They are called insurance companies.

[vidann1]

To Richardgwm: It amazes me that people don't realize exactly how much power the insurance companies actually have, and yes THEY make decisions that can decide whether a person lives or dies and forget what the doctor thinks. So in essence we already have "death panels" and this is not being dramatic.

Talk to a person who needs special medication and the insurance company won't cover it or the co-pay is too high.

[baronmorris]

vidann1 speaks the truth.

pls keep telling it like it is. ;-)

UnitedHealthcare CEO Stephen Hemsley has $744,232,068 in stock options. 2007 pay $13.2 mil; 2008 $3.2 mil.

CIGNA CEO Edward Hanway made $120million in last 5 years. Stock options valued at $28,881,000.

Humana CEO Michael McCallister's 2007 salary was $10.3 mil. 2008, $1,017,308. His stock options total $60,865,194.

B L O O D

M O N E Y

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hansecheverria]

mccain must feel like a joke for choosing palin

[sachaput]

I"m tired of all this crap! I don't even want to listen any longer.

[RodgersRevolution]

And your option is to noy listen. LOL

[AstoundedAtheist]

Fuck you, Lieberman!

[PersonalJesus348]

Public option.... NO!

SINGLE PAYER!

[almamatters2471]

The American "news media" is a total joke.

[1234uz]

Joe Is ALF

[terpis]

Hilarious & sad that McCain used to have the beltway sold on a 'Maverick' label.

Even w McCain Feingold--where's the beef? Where's the sea change this thing ushered in? Where's Walnuts' measurable 'trustbusting' on military industrial questions?

This asshole can't even 'talk straight' about the 'death panels' nonsense.

[AccidentalDem]

Until the Healthcare issue, I respected the "Blue dogs", not now.

[jlobsien]

We can't spend $1 trillion on universal coverage. In fact we can't spend it on anything domestically. we need that trillion for overseas opeations and exerting our influence on the rest of the world. building embassies the size of the vatican, for instance.

that's clearly more important.

[corkcityjane]

joe lieberman talks like the dad from ALF

[therealcharismatron]

Where are all the Deomcrats (besides here on the impotent YouTube) laughing these Republicans back into the madhouses they emerged from?

I'm just not seeing them anywhere. Can someone show me where they are all at?

[goofballez]

mccain and leibermann are horrible...both in the pockets of big insurance.

[3star2nr]

This is how politics works. The democrats get in power, pass legislation that improves the country. The republicans manipulate legislation to give big corps the advantage, then scream about socialism and fear monger.

Idiots believe the nonsense, vote them back into power.

They fuck everything up, then people wise up and vote the dems back into power to clean up the mess.

rinse repeat.

look bow many natural disasters have occured already just this year yet we havent had a katrina scandal?

[fishhead06]

Grassley - "But if we move from having the public option being the only option, then choice is taken away!" What is it with Republicans and their strawman arguments?

[ktorch]

Remember the Republicans always protect the wealthy, in this case the huge insurance industry! They want their rich cronies to make $20 million a year because they are the guys who send the support to keep the Republicans in power. Sure depend soley on the Insurance companies, and when they say NO (when you need help) where you gonna go?

[sharinganclan213]

America's time is up. China will be the next super power.

[MyImago]

Public Plan save a Trill

"According to the Economist the total US spend on health care is 15.4% of GDP including both state and private. With that it gets 2.6 doctors per 1,000 people, 3.3 hospital beds and its people live to an average age of 78.2. As a whole Europe spends 9.6% of GDP on health care, has 3.9 doctors per 1,000 people, 6.6 hospital beds and live until they are 81.15 years old. If we would model the European health plan we would save 1 Trillion Dollars a year. 1 Trillion !!!

[3star2nr]

I dont even know why we even are listening to the Republicans and Joe lieberman. because they are not going to vote for the bill regardless of whats in it or not.

Grassley especially, is fucking up the bill and he isnt even going to vote for it

[hobnailrose]

3star2nr:

yeah! what is up with that. "i won't even vote for my own bill?" the only thing i see him working hard to do is ruin the chance for any and all types of health care reform. i've watched the film of HIS town hall meetings. just because a couple hundred ARE there to applaud his every other word, there are millions that aren't.

the insurance industry must be sweating bricks right about now.

[3star2nr]

exactly grassley is such a moron. "The point of reform is to promote choices"

Well whats the oint of having a choice if you cant afford any of the "choices"

Cost control should be the central focus of the bill, and the public option is the ONLY provision in the bill that will lower costs.

The republicans are playing games and the bluedogs need to be voted out. This bill should have passed from july, i dont know why they are wasting so much time. to protect insurance companies?

fuck them

[boots920]

Government administering social benefit means taxpayers will eventually end up with nothing.

Government is too incompetent to run a war never mind healthcare.

Example Katrina debacle = total inept hamster government in action you want to trust them with healthcare ?

[hobnailrose]

Example Katrina debacle = total inept hamster government in action you want to trust them with healthcare ?

remember that change we all heard about and believed in? that's what we're talking about. why can't you get that?

i voted for the chance to improve the way things work. logically and for the public weal.

thank you.

[3star2nr]

I dont know the fire department and police department seems to run efficiently

Fact is government CAN run health care very efficiently. The only time things get fucked up is when republicans stick there hands in it

case in point. Republicans pass medicare advantage, medicare went broke.

Republicans invade iraq and afghanistan, now were stuck there

Republicans institued the torture policy

pushed for deregulation which led to the markets crashing

The peoblem isnt government its the republicans

[zndprophet]

Oh-but the private sector. The private sector is excellent at running healthcare.

That's why we spend more on healthcare than anywhere in the world, and hang around at the bottom of nearly every health statistic in the developed world.

Healthcare costs are the number one cause of bankruptcy in a country which desperately needs people to be able to pay their bills.

Beautiful job the private sector is doing Boots.

[boots920]

In Canada the government is already cutting back on healthcare because they can't keep up with the costs. Eventually Canadians will end up with nothing because of incompetent, inept, moronic government.

The reason the free market doesn't work is because government won't enforce contract law. The Insurance Corporations break contracts on a regular basis with impunity.

[zndprophet]

lol, you should look up what Canada's debt is.

hint: it's a LOT lower than ours is.

[boots920]

Its all based on paper though isn't it ?

The US dollar is toast right, all paper money is based on the US dollar because its world reserve.

Nixon ended the gold backing of the US dollar for a reason, (1971)the destroyed world reserve with the blessing of all world leaders. Physical gold or silver because the paper is only good as toilet paper.

You trust government ? I don't they're incompetent fools but taxpayers are brain dead hamsters.

[3star2nr]

I bet joe lieberman wouldnt mind us spending 1 trillion dollars, to fund a war with iran for israel.

[officialusa]

at 2:27 it say "D" as if Lieberman was a democrat.

In fact, he was a republican (R) that posed as a democrat (D), once it was revealed he began posing as an independent (I) who campaigned for John McCain (R).

Now his political career is almost over so his opinion should not matter.

[hobnailrose]

the insurance companies know that the public option will destroy them. simple. they'll scratch and claw all the way.

i'm with obama. all the way.

[Ezekiels1]

Its simple republicans slowed it down to kill it in July. They and Fox News declared victory too soon! Now, they are getting all wee wee'd up because they have been called on it. The momentum is shifting back!

[sailfished1]

Sorry Charlie, Whatever momentum a huge new spending bill ever had has been eclipsed by that pesky little detail called reality. That reality is called WE ARE BROKE! When we can come to a place when we can wrap our minds around this irrefutable fact then and only then can we move forward. Many of you on this site have had the scales pulled from your eyes. Break out ,wake up . You have been sold out , fight back , join us in our campaign for liberty. peace

[zndprophet]

You want to go even more broke? Let the health insurance companies raise their premiums another 200% in the next 5-10 years. It's already one of the leading causes of bankruptcy.

You sound like Joe Lieberman.

How come no one gave a flying fuck about the spending when Bush was president? Until we finally ended up in the worst recession of our lifetimes?

We won't let Obama do anything because we let Bush do everything.

Pathetic.

Fucking dumbass America.

You sound like Joe Liberman.

[sailfished1]

There is a serious misunderstanding that is prevalent here . #1 is that those of us who oppose the puppet Obama were supporters of Bush,Nothing could be further from the truth .#2 That our movement is in league with corporate interests.What insanity that we are not able to see through the lies .We as a country are BROKE, It trumps every statist pols. wish list ,including B.O. Get your facts straight, Ron Paul supporters are consistent in looking this monster in the eye and calling its bluff

[3star2nr]

Ron Paul!?!?

he is a smart man but he is also insane. Rona paul wants to stop funding anything thats not in the constitution.

Schools, the FDA, the all scholarship programs, all health care prohrams including medicare etc.

If he had his way, we'd go back to driving horse carriages.

I dont think ron paul supporters actually listen to what ron paul is proposing. All they hear is legalise weed, and end the war. They dont listen to his positions on other issues

[zndprophet]

Well thats what I expected you to say.

What bothers me is, you do seem to be a lot louder now, that we are trying to fix this mess than when Bush was actually making the mess.

What also bothers me is that the Bush administration & most republicans seem to just be a watered down version of your views. They believe in deregulation-which played a significant role in the mortgage crisis. They believe in tax cuts-especially for the wealthiest Americans.

What is it that makes you different?

[sailfished1]

It was not deregulation per:se that ruined the balance of the market, rather it was the artificial incentives, mandates that removed the risk. The same people that spread the cancer of greed and corruption are now in the drivers seat at the discredited banking regulation,the foxes are in charge of the henhouse . Anyone complicit in the giant ponzi scheme that we call the U.S. economy are on the wrong side of history. You are right , We are louder every day , we are not going away.

[sailfished1]

I do want to stress that our movement is angry at the "born again conservatives "who are trying to piggy back on our movement . Every politician who voted for the war ,the bailout etc. is gone .We are starting all over.This is the only way to clear the deck for a rational discussion on how we can take care of each other . Fraud is fraud ,no matter who is the author. We are under the rule of men rather than the rule of law

[Ezekiels1]

I thought "Deficits don't matter". Who said that again? We are not broke unless we are "healthcare" in America. There has never been healthcare in the country and when we are finally close we have people who come up with any and all arguments to prevent passage.

[whoo689]

Joe was right about one thing: Sometimes we have to put the most difficult decisions off until the economy is actually booming again. I mean, what kind of morons push an expensive cap-and-trade bill during a recession?

Oh, that's right, Obama-supporting Democrats who don't know a thing about economics. They probably slept through that class in college.

[3star2nr]

What kind of morron starts 2 wars in the middle east.

Oh right.....

[zndprophet]

Well republicans always claim to be geniuses at dealing with the economy-yet the people they nominate for president always increase the national deficit 2 or 3 times higher than it was.

Last time us economically-retarded democrats put someone in the white house-he lowered the national deficit and balanced the budget. Only president in the last 30 years to do so.

but he didn't do it in 7 months. 7 months into office, the economy was still fucked up because he was also following a Bush.

[zndprophet]

Joe Lieberman is SUCH a joke. Wow, he is just the epitome of everything that sucks so bad about our government.

If America really wants to help itself out-vote all these losers out of office and put in some people who are gonna actually try to get something DONE.

All of a sudden doing absolutely nothing is a GOOD thing, that's supposed to make you electable?

Pathetic!

[Incredibus]

Comparative Effective Analysis Research:

Democrats - Scientific way of determining which procedures are most cost/effective for which diseases and making this information available to providers more easily.

Republicans - Wink, wink (Death Panel) Nudge, Nudge

[zndprophet]

How pathetic...

I wish I lived in a country where the worst political move you could make is to stand in the way of progress-like that LOSER Lieberman, or Chuck Grassley. Or where you told stupid, fearmongering lies, like John McCain.

With the exception of Schumer-what we're seeing is people who should be OUT of office. People who make Washington this wishy washy place where nothing ever gets done! I'm sick of this. These guys come out and confidently talk about doing nothing like its good!

[MISSBEBEBLUE]

Joe Lieberman........pathetic old fool.

[HaloedG]

McCain proves on this highlight why his dumb ass isn't President and Obama is.

[3star2nr]

McCain didnt read the bill at all thats why hes talking out his ass

[hobnailrose]

hey! haloedG:

thanks for the heads up about mccain being in this video. i had time to pause and count to ten beforehand.

what an old, bad liar he is. bet they edited out the parts where he shakes his nead no when his lips are saying yes. couldn't even bring himself to say her name. i'm all for THAT, though.

george looked good and he really, truly challenged the old fart, then let mccain repeat the same tired party lie to hoist himself. job well done, george!

[ThemowofChow]

Well if healthcare reform is unaffordable then it is unfortunately that...unaffordable.

Public option is a MUST.

[voyeurdug]

McCain's and Grassley's presentations were logically absurd and intentionally misleading. Lieberman merely talked himself into blind alleys and left himself there.

[matman125]

Joe is a joker!