answering anti-mormon claim about the book of galatians

[dcchicken75]

In your response just above this to butterflycells you said "too bad the bible doesn't really tell you exactly what the definition for the gospel is" .... are you kidding me!??? Try reading 1 Corinthians 15: 1-8 and tell me that isn't the gospel laid out as plain as day!! The gospel in your church is about faith in whoever the current prophet is, faith in Joseph Smith (a mere man!!) and faith in a book that has absolutely no historical or archeological evidence. Man worship - works based!

[Jarkko1983]

@dcchicken75 Try reading 1 Corinthians 15: 1-8 and tell me that isn't the gospel laid out as plain as day!!

verse 2 mentions things Paul has preached before, but doesn't mention what that is he has preached. Paul is reminding the saints of the gospel they already know, and have been taught, so he refrains himself of rehearsing those things he had preached already, therefore this passage doesn't lay out the full gospel plain and simply, he leaves some doctrines out, since they knew them already

[dcchicken75]

Haha!! you think you did so well in explaining what Paul meant in Galatians. I will give you that you are correct that he was specifically talking about the Judiazers... but do you really think that what Paul is saying doesn't also have future application??? Of course it does. The real jist of what Paul is confronting is people adding ANYTHING to faith Christ and his sacrifice on the cross (not in the garden)!!!

[Jarkko1983]

@dcchicken75 The real jist of what Paul is confronting is people adding ANYTHING to faith Christ and his sacrifice on the cross (not in the garden)!!!

Not true, he was complaining how they were reverting to old beliefs of the mosaic rituals that were done away,Paul had no intention to condemn adding something, otherwise he had said it, but he didn't say what you claim was his purpose. He later on blames peter for being the preacher of the other gospel, he didn't say Smith, he identified peter.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

paul wrote that epistle to Galatia and not the Mormons, because it's NOT another gospel.

[chaparralx]

You did not make a case at all....

Where is the substance.

Mormonism teaches a different gospel.

Yes, it does.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

No it doesn't! You are misinterpretting the scriptures and you think you're smart, but your church leaders have lied to you.

[chaparralx]

Why are you getting mad at me?

Prove me wrong, don't just insult me.

What is the gospel according to Joseph smith?

[pablamokablamo]

it is exactly what jesus taught just restored today with new revelation through a modern prophet

[chaparralx]

For you to say that Paul was only referring to one distortion when he used the adjective "any" is absolute nonsense. This is what you are doing, you are trying to water down the truth.

You are the one that is deceived.

Let me ask you something. How did you become a mormon?

I'll tell you my story.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

Repentance for forgiveness of sins

baptism by immersion by one called of god for the remission of sin

Laying on hands for the gift of the holy ghost again by one holding authority

cont.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

First of all Mormons...

What is it? Where did this word come from?

Joseph Smith first discovered this word MORMON for it is a name of a person, designated a prophet like an Old Testament Prophet. He learned Mormon made an abridgement of earlier prophets before him and thereby Joseph deemed it be called the Book of Mormon.

Missionary work in the latter days and handing out copies to others gave us the NICKNAME MORMON.

cont.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

The Church was called the Church of Jesus Christ and NOTHING else originally! IT had a foundation of TWELVE men that Christ personally laid His hands on and gave them authority to run the church and by REVELATION the church would be run and the GATES of HELL shall NOT prevail against it. The Twelve were KILLED OFF ultimately and the AUTHORITY was ALSO! The early Church was rounded up like cattle and killed by who? ROME! called HERESY!

Cont.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

The people of Rome rounded up the 1st christian leaders and they were KILLED for preaching HIS true Gospel of Christ. With NO foundation to the church. Ephesians 2:19-21 like any structure, FALLS and thus it did. And REVELATION from God STOPPED and so did the bible.

1843 Oliver Cowdery and Joseph visited by Peter, James and John the ancient apostles and upon their heads restored that priesthood lost for about 1800 years.

The famine spoken of by Amos 8:11-12

[TrueSaintsLDS]

Also Ephesians makes it very clear all the positions that would be available to God's correct organization. The Church of Jesus christ restored has all those positions filled.

[TrueSaintsLDS]

Acts 3:19-21 Peter knew the church of Jesus Christ would be restored and the priesthood for revelation with it.

[godstruthislove]

@TrueSaintsLDS

Acts 3:19 (King James Version)

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Hmmm?

the emphasis is " from the presence of the Lord",

Nothing about " a Restored Church"?

Where does it say anything close to that?

What in the world are you talking about?

[LDS4Life71]

@godstruthislove Revelations 14:6-7, Acts 3:19-21, Isaiah 29:14. The apostles were to remain ON THE EARTH, ignorante, until the LORD Jesus Christ returns. 

The real Jesus Christ. The one that visited the ancient inhabitants of meso America. Not some formless anthropomorphic goo trinitarian jebus that you believe

[chaparralx]

What is the gospel?

Please tell me what it is plainly.

[NightmareDolly]

is it the whole book of galatians, or a particular part? can't hear anything - me so deaf =(

[omiolo1]

I think ANTImormons should study Emporer Constantine, his pagan gospel and the angel that convinced him to propagate it. Then study the results books or creeds that resulted.

Then REPENT!

[EvidenceMinistries]

I'd love to reply, but I cannot hear the audio.

[moparmonster1965]

Agreed.

[slu2com]

youtube. com/watch?v=tjhUETc2osI

[sldeyo]

The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the PROPHET THAT TEACHES LIES, he is the tail.For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed. Isaiah 9:15,16.

JS was a false prophet and those that follow him are destroyed unless they turn from their wicked ways and seek Jesus.

[BlondieBaptist71]

Stop being a drama queen. Just becasue someone doesn't agree with your religion doesn't mean they hate you, or are against you.

[omiolo]

blondiebaptist,

there is a difference between not agreeing with it and marginalizing the religion and its people to make them appear less than you.

Even worse is when you distort their religious beliefs to continue that marginalization. It also doesn't help when you take exceptions and try to parade them as the rules.

[omiolo]

"do you want to be a liar or a truthful person"?

I have asked the ANTImormons that question many times!

[bornagainmormons]

what is an ANTImormon?

[omiolo]

Bornagainstmormons,

you didn't answer my challenge, why not?

Is it because all you ANTImormons can do is attack?

[bornagainmormons]

was the question to me? I just want to know what you mean by "ANTImormon" - since you use it...

[omiolo]

bornagainstmormons,

it is the same thing as ANTIchristian!

[omiolo]

JARKO,

BTW, Well done. I love to hear your defense and clarification of the TRUTH.

Matthew 25:21

"Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord."

[omiolo]

Jarkko,

"many people like to take this out of content"

I challenge our EVANGELICAL ANTAGONISTS to show me ONE chapter in the BIBLE that the different DENOMINATIONS all agree on. They ALL interpret things differently and they almost all take the scriptures out of context.

[butterflycells]

Exactly; the true gospel is about faith and not about rituals, which is just one of the reasons why the LDS church is not Biblical.

[Jarkko1983]

the gospel in our church is all about the faith aswell. Too bad the bible doesn't really tell you exactly what the definition is for the gospel is, those 5 main principles are what constitute the gospel in lds theology and to abide all those principles, has no real rituals beside the faith and keeping the commandments, u just don't know what you are talking about, there lies your problem ignorance of lds doctrine which is exactly biblical, unlike yours.

[MistyAnn0414]

Jarkko- "Too bad the bible doesn't really tell you exactly what the definition is for the gospel is" The word "gospel" means good news, referring to Jesus Christ, HE is the good news. Get a concordance and you will never have to ask this question again.

The "rituals" are your temple endowments, baptism for the dead, sealing's to the dead and the living, the washing and anointing. Does all this stuff ring a bell now?

[MistyAnn0414]

Jarkko- Don't try to hide what your church believes or act dumb by telling someone "I don't know what they are talking about". In way to try to discredit them, chances are they know more about your religion than you do.

BTW, The LDS church is sooooooooooooo NOT bibical, unlike mine.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

I think you are the last person to tell someone "Don't try to hide what your church believes or act dumb"

everytime I try and get you to explain the Trinity you run and hide.

[MistyAnn0414]

omiolo -

When have you ever asked me to "explain the Trinity"?

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

"When have you ever asked me to "explain the Trinity"?"

the last time we chatted. When you were explaining how God was a man, and I told you the LDS church disagrees.

"The LDS church is sooooooooooooo NOT bibical, unlike mine."

right, the Biblical teachings of slavery, witchtrials, inquistitions, wars, jim crow laws, oppression of women,hate, KKK, etc. That is all biblical....

[MistyAnn0414]

omiolo-

I let it go, I tried to explain it to you and all you did was talk in circles. You don't believe that Jesus is THE God; you believe that he is A God. There is no way that can have a dialog about the Trinity. We made be speaking the same language, but our words have different meanings behind them.

And the LDS church doesn't oppress women? HA, an LDS woman can't be exalted unless she is sealed to an LDS man.If she is not exalted she will not be with God.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

now you are twisting our doctrine.

1 Cor. 11:11

"Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord."

[MistyAnn0414]

omiolo-

That verse is saying that we are all equal, man and woman. One sex is not better than other. Even thought the man is the spiritual authority of the home, he is not above the woman in the Lord. Start at verse 9 and read to verse 11,in fact read the whole chapter, and maybe you will see what I am talking about.

It's not saying that unless your husband is exalted you won't be.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

Did I read that right, you work with Ed Decker?

[MistyAnn0414]

No, I've never met the man. Where did you read that?

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

I asked if you work with him, not if you met with him. I don't know if there is any difference to you or not in that.

Do you work with him>?

[MistyAnn0414]

NO!! I don't work with him, never seen him on person, never spoke to him, nothing !!!!Why do you ask?? What's your problem??

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

from your churches website

"she eventually joined forces with him and worked along side Mr. Decker at Saint Alive for 11 years"

her initials are MG too!

[MistyAnn0414]

LOL!!!! Honey,Honey, you think I'm the only M.G in this world???? That MG is Michelle Grim, don't believe me email her and see.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

I know you aren't that MG, please reread my post. You are Mellisa G. You are a little too quick on the trigger tonight.

My point is that your group is affiliated with Ed Decker. Am I not right?

[MistyAnn0414]

No. Life After Ministries is not affiliated with Saints Alive or Ed Decker. Michelle G, is affiliated with Ed Decker, founder & President of Saints Alive.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

"Michelle G, is affiliated with Ed Decker, founder & President of Saints Alive"

do you see any problem with that?

[MistyAnn0414]

No, Actually I don't.

[MistyAnn0414]

By "your churches website", are you referring to Life After Ministries?

It's not a church, but a Ministry there is a difference.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

"It's not a church, but a Ministry there is a difference."

sorry, I know people mischaracterize my religion all the time.

What is the difference please?

[MistyAnn0414]

A church is a building people go to worship.

A ministry is an organization, not a building.

If this answer isn't clear, please go to dictionary . com

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

we define it differenlty.

"one of the groups of Christians who have their own beliefs and forms of worship"

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

"What's your problem??"

do you mean, what is my problem with Ed Decker? If you were really LDS you shouldn't have to ask that.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

"Even thought the man is the spiritual authority of the home, he is not above the woman in the Lord."

do you realize how ridiculous that sounds.

Let me paraphrase what you are saying. Please correct me if I am wrong.

"The man is the authority above the woman, but they are equal"

You have a funny definition of equal

[MistyAnn0414]

The man is the spiritual authority of the home, BUT the wife's salvation isn't tied to her husband's. If she is saved, but he isn't then she will still get to live with Jesus even if he doesn't.Both have an equal chance of salvation. God isn't going to give the man any slack, just because he's a man.

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

you must not have paid attention in RS. Like the Bible says no "exaltation" without each other. I also mean the highest definition of exaltation. We believe the family is most important. Man must have woman, woman must have man!! they must be together!

[MistyAnn0414]

omiolo-

So, then what you are saying is I'M RIGHT!! You said I was twisting your doctrine. Now you say that I was correct.

Thanks :)

[omiolo]

MistyAnn,

Nope, I am still saying you are twisting it!

Nice try though!

[MistyAnn0414]

Thanks!! :)

[flyfisherX]

butterflycells:

Have you read the Bible? Just asking because obviously you misunderstand what a ritual is if you think it wasn't Biblical. Definition of ritual, "The prescribed order of a religious ceremony."

The Law of Sacrifice would have been considered a ritual by definition. There was order and it was a ceremony, which was practiced up until Christ came.

The sacrament instituted by Christ himself is a ritual performed each Sabbath day.

Not Biblical? Please reread your Bible.