I see why the Jews are confused at christian doctrine, the shema prayer says "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One", its safe to leave it at that.
@Gr8eskape Deuteronomy 6:4 (Shema), does not disprove the Trinity. The Trinity is the teaching that in the one God there are three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal, and co-powerful persons known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). The verse is saying that YHWH alone is God and is teaching monotheism. Also, the word for "one" in Deut. 6:4 is "echad," which is often used for describing a composite unity such as one cluster of grapes. See also Genesis 2:24 (1 yet 2).
This debate appears to be two Trinitarians arguing over the defnition of what "3 persons in 1 God" actually means. If Trinitarians can't agree upon their theological definitions regarding what is actually meant when talking about "3 persons in 1 God", the unbeliving and non-Christian world is certainly not going to settle the argument for them.
@moogandfender You're obviously very confused! Perhaps you're unaware of "oneness" advocates (see our newsletter on this at our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, once on our homepage click the "Experience" box & scroll down). "Oneness" advocates believe Jesus is the Only God playing all 3 modes by Himself but Trinitarians deny this (Steve McCalip would take great offence at you). See the second hour of this debate for a better perspective. McCalip hates the Trinity just like Jehovah's Witnesses & Muslims.
Man i wish Mcneil would have ripped him apart when Steve said that Jesus didn't speak in a language that was hard to understand. Jesus spoke parables that even the Pharisees couldn't understand!
@EzekielTheWatchman Excellent point! You may be interested to know that Steve McCalip participated in a 4 hour debate with Christian Answers director Larry Wessels & your point was brought up during that debate. Check out "Did Jesus Die for Everybody Who Ever Lived or Not? Debate #4: WHY DOES JESUS SPEAK IN PARABLES?" (copy & paste this title into the YOUTUBE search box to see it). Even though Mark didn't catch Steve on this point here, see what happens when Wessels & McCalip go after it.
There is only One God, He is the Father, He is the Word, and He is the Holy Spirit, these Three are One! And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@ChristusVlCTOR Trinitarians believe there is only one God (Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit - Matthew 28:19) but not as "Oneness" heretics do. "Oneness" heretics such as Steve McCalip in this debate believe that the Father is Jesus & the Father is the Holy Spirit which is not what the Bible clearly teaches. John 17:5 is a prime example of this, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Jesus here is not the Father & is distinct.
@CAnswersTV I hold a peculiar position, some Triniatarians call me Oneness, most Oneness call me Trinitarian. I consider myself to be Trinitarian, my only problem with the Doctrine is that it pushes the ditinction too far. I fear to go beyond what Scripture does, it is better for us to be silent when God is silent.
It is evident that there is a distinction between the Father & the Word, but to go so far as to say the Father is not the Word, I fear that. My above post is 100% biblical.
@ChristusVlCTOR Thus you give away your heretical position (don't worry your heresy has been around for hundreds of years & the Christian church has dealt with it). You are a "Oneness" heretic since you believe Jesus is the Father (you "fear" not saying it). "Oneness" heretics such as Steve McCalip & you cannot understand what the Scripture clearly teaches (1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 8:7) since you need the Holy Spirit in this regard. You need to beg God to send you the Spirit that you may see.
@CAnswersTV You just called me a heretic for sticking 100% to Scripture & doing my best not to apply bias interpretations
To preach that a person MUST hold to a doctrine that is not fully expressed in Scripture, is sectarian, & condemned in Gal 5. You just heaped Judgement on yourself
Ive already asserted that I side with Trinitarians, to then be called Oneness shows that youre a Sectarian. You hold your dogma above Scripture. I remain silent where God does, ESPECIALLY when speaking OF GOD
@ChristusVlCTOR You most certainly did NOT stick "100% to Scripture" since you said " but to go so far as to say the Father is not the Word, I fear that." That is not "100%" Scripture my friend. If you knew what the Bible teaches on the nature of the Godhead you would have never said such a heretical statement. The Scripture & church history testify against you (see further documentation on this in our 2 websites: BIBLEQUERY ORG & HISTORYCART COM, see our YT 'BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY')
@CAnswersTV Show me the Scripture that says, "The Word is not the Father", if you can not show me that (and no it doesn't have to be word for word), then I have not transgressed Scripture. I can not find it... nor can I find a Scripture that says "The Word IS the Father", so I do not assert that either. I remain 100% biblical... you on the other hand are causing dissention in Christ's body, I urge you to consider your actions and seek God's counsel and forgiveness.
@ChristusVlCTOR First, you commit the logical fallacy of COMPLEX QUESTION when you ask for a verse that says what you say. The Bible doesn't have to have a verse that directly quotes you to prove a DISTINCTION between the Father & the Son, get it? You're not the Bible & you're deluded thinking you're "100% biblical." Next, for starters, try John 5:30-47 & cross reference this to Matt 18:16. How many "witnesses" (1 or 2?) does Jesus have in John 5, Himself only or does He have a second witness?
@ChristusVlCTOR John.3:16 says God so loved the world, that he gave His Only Begotten son so that whoever believed in Him would not perish, but should have eternal life. It doesn't say that God so loved the world that He gave Himself. He gave His Eternal son Micah 5:2. If I was to give my son as a sacrifice to save your life I wouldn't be giving you myself, but my Genes my Son would have, Christ is God expressed. The exact image of the Father.in the flesh, Son of man, Son of God See Phil 2:6-9
Now also, the Oneness position mentioned SENT. Now if i was sent to do something, you would assume that someone else sent me. I wouldn't send myself to do the will of someone else.
Be on the other side. Through makes this oneness seem a bit faulty. If we look through some glasses to see a word clearer, obviously if we could have see the word then we wouldn't need glasses. But Jesus in this verse is saying ( paraphrasing my understanding) I am your glasses to see the Father. You can argue that THROUGH is a LITERAL word because it means both seeing and gaining faith.
Then, in spirituality Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit and in spirituality and in NATURE ONE. To see the Father means that he would have seen the Nature of the Father. John 6:46 "No one hath seen the Father EXCEPT THROUGH me". Now if no one hath seen the father, and Philip wanted to SEE the father, Jesus didn't explicitly say I am the father. He said that the only way to see the father is through him which means that if we watch Jesus dead in his eyes and we look through, something must
The oneness position makes no sense. How can a son be his own father? Hence why Jesus may not know when the end will be but the father. The father and Jesus are of the same substance and of course all three are one, (all three are one flesh, "one God" 3 Persons) Now, the man and wife principle has a bit of a biological stance so we'll use the spiritual aspect. First of Gen 1:26 "Our image and our likeness". This is in spirit. SImply because there was NO biological human until he makes Adam.
@afterray The apostle Paul - "Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teachest, but which the Holy Ghost teachest: comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him." (1 Cor 2:11-14)
@afterray I quoted Paul from 1 Corinthians 2:11-14 to prove the Biblical point that men, without the Spirit of God, cannot accept the truths of God because they are "foolishness" to them. Not only that but Paul goes on to say that the man without the Spirit of God cannot know the things of God because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor 2:14b). This is why Jesus said men must be "born again" by the Spirit of God before they can see the Kingdom of God (John 3:3-8). The Trinity is changeless..
Forget scripture verses taken out of context. The bottom line is this: God is one yet God has to be 3 persons within this unity. If not, then Jesus cannot be divine, by definition.
If Jesus isnt divine then his claims to be God must be false. Yet he forgave sins, did miracles, taught, accepted worship all in his OWN authority, not God's. Why did Thomas call him 'My Lord and my God'? If Jesus isnt divine God sacrificed someone else - an act of vengeful appeasement - not love. So Jesus IS God.
@CAnswersTV Thank you. But it's not only Biblical. The Trinitarian concept (though not the word) has been a teaching of the Church since the earliest times. As just one example, Irenaeus taught it, who was a pupil of Polycarp, who, in turn was a pupil of John, the apostle. Those who deny the Triinity not only deny scriptural evidence but also the whole of history since 30AD or thereabouts. Blessings.
(Oh by the way, it's 2 Corinthians 13:13, not 13:14 as that verse doesnt exist ;-) )
@MrJayguess You're correct about church history. We have a whole website on the subject (HISTORYCART COM) & a multi-episode video series on early Christian church history. Check out our "EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH HISTORY #2: TRINITY DOCTRINE TAUGHT LONG BEFORE COUNCIL OF NICAEA IN 325 A.D." here on YOUTUBE. An easy way to find a bunch of our Trinity videos is to type "LARRY WESSELS BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY" in the YT search box. My KJV Bible shows 2 Corinthians 13:14 to be correct. Comment?
@CAnswersTV My apologies! I forgot you're American and use the KJV! When looking up the verse to make sure, I took one of my modern translations from the shelf as it was nearer - verse 14 is subsumed into 13. As it is in many modern translations. Anyway, as chapters and verses were a much later addition to God's word, I'm not going to fall out over a number! God bless!
@7pentecostal7 You no doubt are a "oneness pentecostal" heretic. Based on the argument you use here, you have no conception of the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Every verse you quote proves the Trinitarian position. God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) is spirit (John 4:24), get it? God is not just one spirit among many, but His essential nature is eternal Spirit. God's spiritual nature separates Him from the material universe He created. Type "LARRY WESSELS TRINITY" in the YOUTUBE search box.
@7pentecostal7 I'm not going to sit here everyday debating one verse after another with you (I have to respond to over 320 other of our posted videos also). The context of Acts 22:16 in relation to your question about "name" is found in Acts 22:8 thus Jesus is Lord, get it? This doesn't disprove the doctrine of the Trinity. Type "LARRY WESSELS TRINITY" in the YOUTUBE search box for much more on this topic. See also our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, click the "Experience" box on homepage & scroll down.
Jesus doesn't lie does he? If he was calling God as His Father and was calling himself as His Son...then why Oneness people would consider Jesus as the Father also and vice versa? Won't Jesus look stupid if he prays to himself ( directing his prayer to somebody whom he called as Father but actually he was praying to himself all along)?
@cvnt6 A point well made! John 17:5 makes this abundantly clear in the DISTINCTION between Jesus & the Father, "And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine Own Self with the glory which I had WITH THEE before the world was." Jesus was definitely NOT praying to Himself! There are many more examples of this. For further Scriptural information, readers of these comments can reference to our 4 hour video series, BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY (search LARRY WESSELS TRINITY on Youtube). Matt 28:19
Let's look at the original Hebrew Text: אביעד שר־שלום or Abi Ad Sar Shalom or The Father OF Eternity, Prince of Peace..The correct transliteration should be --אבי עד (Abi Ad)- Father of Eternity (or Eternal Father) because of the use of Makkeph (') between Abi and Ad..which normally connects the first word to the other...which is equivalent to the english word "of"...Father OF Eternity should be the most accurate translation rather than the Eternal Father...
I once was caught up in the tritheist camp (three gods). My Friend who was a trinitarian invested years trying to help me understand trinity. I am thankful for his patience with me. I discovered I had been taught untruths regarding what trinity really is. Those misconceptions are what led me to be anti-trinitarian during that time. Once I learned what trinity really is, I had to accept it was truly biblical in every way. It grieves my heart now how trinity is commonly misunderstood.
@mrloudcry This is a very insightful comment based on experience! The scenario you have made clear is played out millions of times around the world each day as the Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity is MISREPRESENTED to people who have not studied the topic thoroughly. The misconceptions concerning the Trinity are then used to attack the very Biblical nature of God. These misconceptions are used to attack Christianity by all the world religions & cultic groups (such as Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.).
Jesus existed with God the Father in the beginning. That is the reason why He said that He came from God and the Father has sent Him. He was the Word and the Word was God.
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
Jn 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Jn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
I see why the Jews are confused at christian doctrine, the shema prayer says "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One", its safe to leave it at that.
Gr8eskape 1 month ago
@Gr8eskape Deuteronomy 6:4 (Shema), does not disprove the Trinity. The Trinity is the teaching that in the one God there are three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal, and co-powerful persons known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). The verse is saying that YHWH alone is God and is teaching monotheism. Also, the word for "one" in Deut. 6:4 is "echad," which is often used for describing a composite unity such as one cluster of grapes. See also Genesis 2:24 (1 yet 2).
CAnswersTV 1 month ago
God the Father gave His Son? And you don't owe Him anything? Oh my may He have mercy upon your feeble words.
dsullfbc 2 months ago
This debate appears to be two Trinitarians arguing over the defnition of what "3 persons in 1 God" actually means. If Trinitarians can't agree upon their theological definitions regarding what is actually meant when talking about "3 persons in 1 God", the unbeliving and non-Christian world is certainly not going to settle the argument for them.
moogandfender 2 months ago
@moogandfender You're obviously very confused! Perhaps you're unaware of "oneness" advocates (see our newsletter on this at our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, once on our homepage click the "Experience" box & scroll down). "Oneness" advocates believe Jesus is the Only God playing all 3 modes by Himself but Trinitarians deny this (Steve McCalip would take great offence at you). See the second hour of this debate for a better perspective. McCalip hates the Trinity just like Jehovah's Witnesses & Muslims.
CAnswersTV 2 months ago
Man i wish Mcneil would have ripped him apart when Steve said that Jesus didn't speak in a language that was hard to understand. Jesus spoke parables that even the Pharisees couldn't understand!
EzekielTheWatchman 3 months ago
@EzekielTheWatchman Excellent point! You may be interested to know that Steve McCalip participated in a 4 hour debate with Christian Answers director Larry Wessels & your point was brought up during that debate. Check out "Did Jesus Die for Everybody Who Ever Lived or Not? Debate #4: WHY DOES JESUS SPEAK IN PARABLES?" (copy & paste this title into the YOUTUBE search box to see it). Even though Mark didn't catch Steve on this point here, see what happens when Wessels & McCalip go after it.
CAnswersTV 3 months ago
@CAnswersTV Alright i'll watch it right away :D
EzekielTheWatchman 3 months ago
LOL! I began laughing when Steve brought up the "Who's on First?" chart.
zmode82 5 months ago
There is only One God, He is the Father, He is the Word, and He is the Holy Spirit, these Three are One! And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
ChristusVlCTOR 6 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR Trinitarians believe there is only one God (Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit - Matthew 28:19) but not as "Oneness" heretics do. "Oneness" heretics such as Steve McCalip in this debate believe that the Father is Jesus & the Father is the Holy Spirit which is not what the Bible clearly teaches. John 17:5 is a prime example of this, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Jesus here is not the Father & is distinct.
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV I hold a peculiar position, some Triniatarians call me Oneness, most Oneness call me Trinitarian. I consider myself to be Trinitarian, my only problem with the Doctrine is that it pushes the ditinction too far. I fear to go beyond what Scripture does, it is better for us to be silent when God is silent.
It is evident that there is a distinction between the Father & the Word, but to go so far as to say the Father is not the Word, I fear that. My above post is 100% biblical.
ChristusVlCTOR 6 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR Thus you give away your heretical position (don't worry your heresy has been around for hundreds of years & the Christian church has dealt with it). You are a "Oneness" heretic since you believe Jesus is the Father (you "fear" not saying it). "Oneness" heretics such as Steve McCalip & you cannot understand what the Scripture clearly teaches (1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 8:7) since you need the Holy Spirit in this regard. You need to beg God to send you the Spirit that you may see.
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV You just called me a heretic for sticking 100% to Scripture & doing my best not to apply bias interpretations
To preach that a person MUST hold to a doctrine that is not fully expressed in Scripture, is sectarian, & condemned in Gal 5. You just heaped Judgement on yourself
Ive already asserted that I side with Trinitarians, to then be called Oneness shows that youre a Sectarian. You hold your dogma above Scripture. I remain silent where God does, ESPECIALLY when speaking OF GOD
ChristusVlCTOR 6 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR You most certainly did NOT stick "100% to Scripture" since you said " but to go so far as to say the Father is not the Word, I fear that." That is not "100%" Scripture my friend. If you knew what the Bible teaches on the nature of the Godhead you would have never said such a heretical statement. The Scripture & church history testify against you (see further documentation on this in our 2 websites: BIBLEQUERY ORG & HISTORYCART COM, see our YT 'BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY')
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV Show me the Scripture that says, "The Word is not the Father", if you can not show me that (and no it doesn't have to be word for word), then I have not transgressed Scripture. I can not find it... nor can I find a Scripture that says "The Word IS the Father", so I do not assert that either. I remain 100% biblical... you on the other hand are causing dissention in Christ's body, I urge you to consider your actions and seek God's counsel and forgiveness.
ChristusVlCTOR 5 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR First, you commit the logical fallacy of COMPLEX QUESTION when you ask for a verse that says what you say. The Bible doesn't have to have a verse that directly quotes you to prove a DISTINCTION between the Father & the Son, get it? You're not the Bible & you're deluded thinking you're "100% biblical." Next, for starters, try John 5:30-47 & cross reference this to Matt 18:16. How many "witnesses" (1 or 2?) does Jesus have in John 5, Himself only or does He have a second witness?
CAnswersTV 5 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR John.3:16 says God so loved the world, that he gave His Only Begotten son so that whoever believed in Him would not perish, but should have eternal life. It doesn't say that God so loved the world that He gave Himself. He gave His Eternal son Micah 5:2. If I was to give my son as a sacrifice to save your life I wouldn't be giving you myself, but my Genes my Son would have, Christ is God expressed. The exact image of the Father.in the flesh, Son of man, Son of God See Phil 2:6-9
georgehuddo 5 months ago
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dragonlee1bfed 6 months ago
Now also, the Oneness position mentioned SENT. Now if i was sent to do something, you would assume that someone else sent me. I wouldn't send myself to do the will of someone else.
imnotsure556 6 months ago
Be on the other side. Through makes this oneness seem a bit faulty. If we look through some glasses to see a word clearer, obviously if we could have see the word then we wouldn't need glasses. But Jesus in this verse is saying ( paraphrasing my understanding) I am your glasses to see the Father. You can argue that THROUGH is a LITERAL word because it means both seeing and gaining faith.
imnotsure556 6 months ago
Then, in spirituality Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit and in spirituality and in NATURE ONE. To see the Father means that he would have seen the Nature of the Father. John 6:46 "No one hath seen the Father EXCEPT THROUGH me". Now if no one hath seen the father, and Philip wanted to SEE the father, Jesus didn't explicitly say I am the father. He said that the only way to see the father is through him which means that if we watch Jesus dead in his eyes and we look through, something must
imnotsure556 6 months ago
The oneness position makes no sense. How can a son be his own father? Hence why Jesus may not know when the end will be but the father. The father and Jesus are of the same substance and of course all three are one, (all three are one flesh, "one God" 3 Persons) Now, the man and wife principle has a bit of a biological stance so we'll use the spiritual aspect. First of Gen 1:26 "Our image and our likeness". This is in spirit. SImply because there was NO biological human until he makes Adam.
imnotsure556 6 months ago
FAITH can make you blind.
FAITH can make a blind person see.
common sense always rules.
the trinity is an interesting concept...
it's vital to remember that the prophets spoke in parables...
* "god does not change" interesting argument
this is an educational debate...
afterray 6 months ago
@afterray The apostle Paul - "Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teachest, but which the Holy Ghost teachest: comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him." (1 Cor 2:11-14)
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV - "Even so the things of God knoweth no man" how can that be so, are we not conscious of the cosmos?
"not the spirit of the world, which is of God" what?
"the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God" what "things" are we taking about?
afterray 6 months ago
@afterray I quoted Paul from 1 Corinthians 2:11-14 to prove the Biblical point that men, without the Spirit of God, cannot accept the truths of God because they are "foolishness" to them. Not only that but Paul goes on to say that the man without the Spirit of God cannot know the things of God because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor 2:14b). This is why Jesus said men must be "born again" by the Spirit of God before they can see the Kingdom of God (John 3:3-8). The Trinity is changeless..
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
Forget scripture verses taken out of context. The bottom line is this: God is one yet God has to be 3 persons within this unity. If not, then Jesus cannot be divine, by definition.
If Jesus isnt divine then his claims to be God must be false. Yet he forgave sins, did miracles, taught, accepted worship all in his OWN authority, not God's. Why did Thomas call him 'My Lord and my God'? If Jesus isnt divine God sacrificed someone else - an act of vengeful appeasement - not love. So Jesus IS God.
MrJayguess 6 months ago
@MrJayguess Since we believe what the Bible plainly teaches we can't help but totally agree with you! Blessings, 2 Corinthians 13:14.
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV Thank you. But it's not only Biblical. The Trinitarian concept (though not the word) has been a teaching of the Church since the earliest times. As just one example, Irenaeus taught it, who was a pupil of Polycarp, who, in turn was a pupil of John, the apostle. Those who deny the Triinity not only deny scriptural evidence but also the whole of history since 30AD or thereabouts. Blessings.
(Oh by the way, it's 2 Corinthians 13:13, not 13:14 as that verse doesnt exist ;-) )
MrJayguess 6 months ago
@MrJayguess You're correct about church history. We have a whole website on the subject (HISTORYCART COM) & a multi-episode video series on early Christian church history. Check out our "EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH HISTORY #2: TRINITY DOCTRINE TAUGHT LONG BEFORE COUNCIL OF NICAEA IN 325 A.D." here on YOUTUBE. An easy way to find a bunch of our Trinity videos is to type "LARRY WESSELS BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY" in the YT search box. My KJV Bible shows 2 Corinthians 13:14 to be correct. Comment?
CAnswersTV 6 months ago
@CAnswersTV My apologies! I forgot you're American and use the KJV! When looking up the verse to make sure, I took one of my modern translations from the shelf as it was nearer - verse 14 is subsumed into 13. As it is in many modern translations. Anyway, as chapters and verses were a much later addition to God's word, I'm not going to fall out over a number! God bless!
MrJayguess 6 months ago
Poor Steve!! : (
I thought he was going to convert to the doctrine of trinitarian.
-Steve-- " forget it!!! You convince me"
Steve got owned!!!!
itiswritten77 7 months ago
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7pentecostal7 7 months ago
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7pentecostal7 7 months ago
@7pentecostal7 You no doubt are a "oneness pentecostal" heretic. Based on the argument you use here, you have no conception of the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Every verse you quote proves the Trinitarian position. God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) is spirit (John 4:24), get it? God is not just one spirit among many, but His essential nature is eternal Spirit. God's spiritual nature separates Him from the material universe He created. Type "LARRY WESSELS TRINITY" in the YOUTUBE search box.
CAnswersTV 7 months ago
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7pentecostal7 7 months ago
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7pentecostal7 7 months ago
@7pentecostal7 I'm not going to sit here everyday debating one verse after another with you (I have to respond to over 320 other of our posted videos also). The context of Acts 22:16 in relation to your question about "name" is found in Acts 22:8 thus Jesus is Lord, get it? This doesn't disprove the doctrine of the Trinity. Type "LARRY WESSELS TRINITY" in the YOUTUBE search box for much more on this topic. See also our website BIBLEQUERY ORG, click the "Experience" box on homepage & scroll down.
CAnswersTV 7 months ago
steve is crazy
beedip84 8 months ago
@beedip84 obey ACTS 2:38
7pentecostal7 7 months ago
Jesus doesn't lie does he? If he was calling God as His Father and was calling himself as His Son...then why Oneness people would consider Jesus as the Father also and vice versa? Won't Jesus look stupid if he prays to himself ( directing his prayer to somebody whom he called as Father but actually he was praying to himself all along)?
cvnt6 11 months ago
@cvnt6 A point well made! John 17:5 makes this abundantly clear in the DISTINCTION between Jesus & the Father, "And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine Own Self with the glory which I had WITH THEE before the world was." Jesus was definitely NOT praying to Himself! There are many more examples of this. For further Scriptural information, readers of these comments can reference to our 4 hour video series, BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY (search LARRY WESSELS TRINITY on Youtube). Matt 28:19
CAnswersTV 11 months ago
Let's look at the original Hebrew Text: אביעד שר־שלום or Abi Ad Sar Shalom or The Father OF Eternity, Prince of Peace..The correct transliteration should be --אבי עד (Abi Ad)- Father of Eternity (or Eternal Father) because of the use of Makkeph (') between Abi and Ad..which normally connects the first word to the other...which is equivalent to the english word "of"...Father OF Eternity should be the most accurate translation rather than the Eternal Father...
cvnt6 11 months ago
I once was caught up in the tritheist camp (three gods). My Friend who was a trinitarian invested years trying to help me understand trinity. I am thankful for his patience with me. I discovered I had been taught untruths regarding what trinity really is. Those misconceptions are what led me to be anti-trinitarian during that time. Once I learned what trinity really is, I had to accept it was truly biblical in every way. It grieves my heart now how trinity is commonly misunderstood.
mrloudcry 1 year ago
@mrloudcry This is a very insightful comment based on experience! The scenario you have made clear is played out millions of times around the world each day as the Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity is MISREPRESENTED to people who have not studied the topic thoroughly. The misconceptions concerning the Trinity are then used to attack the very Biblical nature of God. These misconceptions are used to attack Christianity by all the world religions & cultic groups (such as Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.).
CAnswersTV 1 year ago
Christ is Co-Creator with the Father:
HEB 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
PR 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has wrapped the waters in His garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name or His son’s name?
Surely you know!
larrydelacruz 1 year ago
The Father and the Son worked together
The Father and the Son are one. They work together.
Jn 5:17 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”
Jn 8:16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.
Jn 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
Jn 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
larrydelacruz 1 year ago
Jesus came from and was sent by God His Father
Jesus existed with God the Father in the beginning. That is the reason why He said that He came from God and the Father has sent Him. He was the Word and the Word was God.
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
larrydelacruz 1 year ago
Jn 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
Jn 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Jn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
larrydelacruz 1 year ago
We can never DENY that the Father has a Son named Jesus Christ. The Christ is the Son of God from all eternity.
larrydelacruz 1 year ago
Yahweh is our God and that is His name. Yahweh is the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
larrydelacruz 1 year ago