Interview - Küng: Catholicism heading back to Middle-Ages

[AdversusHaereses]

Unfortunately Hans Kung is wrong, the Church is not going back to the Middle Ages, though I would like to see that. The fact that Hans Kung is not excommunicated is a living proof of that.

[BalladoftheWindfish]

This is like world and Church history for babies. Or maybe not babies, but people who have bought lock, stock, and barrel the liberal and modernist narrative of history. i.e., a modern world of progress emerging from the "dark ages" of oppression and intolerance.

[rusda2]

Typicall as a catholic, Kung conveniently left out the 50 MILLION + Christians the catholic church IMPRISONED, TORTURED & MURDERED during the dark ages when he described the "biggest crime in the history of humanity"...typical catholic trying to deny it like some germans want to deny the Holocaust.

It's well documented Hitler was a catholic until he died. He was never excommunicated. The RCC was behind the holocaust using Hitler.

Islam was created by RCC.

[xP3AC3MAK3Rx]

The catholic (universal) church is a ridiculous institution, and has nothing to do with being a christian. They don't even obey the 10 commandments with their horrible doctrines and rituals! :D

go to "bibleortraditions" channel to learn from an ex-catholic about what it means to be a real christian, by following the book.

[xP3AC3MAK3Rx]

Israel should give the land back to the palestinians and dissolve!

They robbed it from them in the first place!

There are various orthodox Jewish groups who are fighting for just that!

[xP3AC3MAK3Rx]

The "Holocoust" has been declared to be the greatest human crime in history. 6 Million Jews on one side, vs. 50 million people of the Native American Tribes, the Indians.

Isn't there a disparity?

[darkprose]

@jettrink60 Several centuries ago, the same could be said about the church in Europe as well. Nothing is written in stone, and I admire Küng for his efforts, and hope in dialogue. It is a real expression of love, in fact, a mandate of his own religion. He, and Christianity as a whole, has to try.

[darkprose]

Küng's book, On Being a Christian (Christ Sein) is one of the finest defenses of Christianity in the contemporary world today---even after, what?---40 or 50 years.

[shetlandwool]

haha, Benedict XVI is not a conservative at all. He's just proceeding with the liberal politics of John Paul II. Oecumenism, universal redemption (God is in every religion). Both are heretics and not true Popes. The Vatican has become a total corrupt place, and the basis for the teachings of the Anti-christ.

[CassiusChrysanthe]

does the man cover problematics of genocide (gruesome, worst infernal, diabolical sodomistic murders...) on SERBIAN ORTHODOX people between 1941-1945, that happened UNDER GUIDANCE OF VATICAN??1 MILLION SERBS ALONE brutally murdered and murderers got promoted for it by Pius XII who knew exactly what they have been doing there.FRANCISCAN PRIESTS were in charge of these mass killings and took part in it with initiative typical of Hellish inquisition from past... VATICAN - BIGGEST SCUM IN THE WORLD.

[ivaro3]

I am a Protestant Christian who admires much of what Fr Kung has written over the years. I realize his questioning of contraception and the infallibility of the Pope puts him at odds with the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. But from what I have read and seen in interviews, he is a deep and intelligent man, who is able to see beyond his own doors. If one is to question the depth of his faith, I would suggest they read his chapters on the meaning of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

[darkprose]

@ivaro3 I very much agree and very much appreciated your thoughtful comment. I myself am a secular nontheist, but thinkers like Küng are some of the very few shining lights in the churches today. And, yes, his reflections on Jesus, especially in On Being a Christian, are very accessible and one can obviously tell, come from his heart as well as his head. Admirable man.

[hopkins4545]

All the arguments aside, Kung's life and work simply speak for themselves. He's a giant and a bulwark for the faith. If he's not conservative enough for you, well...I'm sure the Holy Spirit will take no notice of that, or the billions of people he's converted to Catholicism with all that awful open mindedness and fantastic erudition he's displayed over the years.

[shanatp]

Hans Kung has had some good things to say in the past. but just like anyone spit out the bad and take in the good.

[BaronGrackle]

Apparently to be a "super-star of European theology", you have to think like a secular liberal and actively oppose Catholic teaching.

[mmorrtt]

my question to hans kung is, "when did you lose your faith?"

[yehuda86]

@mmorrtt My question to you is, "when did you lose your brain?"

[mmorrtt]

@yehuda86 what dont you like about my comment yehudi?

[rooizilver]

The only group of Catholics that came out of Vatican Council 2 undamaged and uncorrupted was the new st.Athanasius Archbishop Mgr Marcel lefebvre and his FsspX founded in 1970 under permission of the Church herself. They will also be the ones to form the New Church after world war 3 and the total annihilation of all modernism.

[jrchristians]

Kung still is one of the few who have the guts to challenge Catholicism which makes Her stronger. He questioned infallibility of the pope and was stripped of teaching faculties. His mistake was that he made statements in that book vs. leaving it a question. who are any of us to say that he is not a great theologian even Benedict respects him!

[gdmurray186]

Kung is so stuck in the 1960s and 1970s. It is impossible to go back to the Middle Ages. He is becoming demented.

[vint7107]

Superstar of theology?! Overstatement of the year. Try Balthasar, de Lubac, Rahner, Ratzinger, Woljtya, Bouyer, Dulles...

The only way I can properly understand Hans Kung is if I think of him as a liberal Protestant, or even just a plain secularist.

Superstar? Oh, please...

[motomambo]

The church needs people like Hans Kung.

[AndreasAntoniusMaria]

@motomambo

Doubtfull statement. Although Kung is a honest man, he is too radical. This formula does not work. Churches with Kung-like priests tend to be very empty here in W. Europe. Churches with conservative, or even traditional, priests are full. His formula worked for one generation of doubters, but was not attractive for the children of these doubters, as they moslty never attend church.

[Shanniquitie]

@motomambo the church needs Kung like a bullet in the brain - or a demon in the tabernacle.

[motomambo]

@Shanniquitie Actually, I have come to agree with you on that one.

[darkprose]

@Shanniquitie You are right. The church needs a bullet in the brain.

[AndreasAntoniusMaria]

Mr. Kung is a fanatic man. He regards only his own vision of Catholic faith as right, and has no respect whatsoever for people who think different as he does. He is also rather dishonest at certain points regarding the 2. vatican council.

[jorgecarrillo2]

vatican II was not intended to deny almos 2000 years of catholicism.¿How many converted people has gotten Kung fram paganism to catholicism? ¿From Protestantism to Catholicism?, and yet Ratzinger has done a lot.

Kung's Prospective of Church is not the prospective from low Lay Catholics.

[judithsteinhoff]

Herr Kung is the most beloved "theologian" of the secularist international media because he speaks exactly what they want to listen. It's absurd to say that all members of SSPX are Holocaust deniers, but only Mr. Richard Williamson.

[sebreathnach]

Well said. Kung must be the first orthodox Catholic to admit the fascist nature (embryonic according to some, but latently messianic according to others) of Christianity, especially present in Catholicism since the Middle Ages, and especially from within its Papal controls. This , of course, confirms the illigitimate nature of the Christeros War, WW1 and WW11 , as per the fascists in Spain, Italy, Germany, South Korea, Vietnam, etc.,etc... Well said, Herr Professor!

[amotspheres]

Hans Kung is a great Catholic theologian. It is Catholic theologians like him who have prevented me from totally breaking away from Roman Catholic Christianity. Oh yes - The Romans, not the Jews, were the ones responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus.

[Flauius]

"Professor Hans Küng, in his writings, has departed from the integral truth of Catholic faith, and therefore he can no longer be considered a Catholic theologian nor function as such in a teaching role."

Declaration regarding certain aspects of the theological doctrine of Professor Hans Küng Christi ecclesia promulgated by Pope John Paul II December 18, 1979

[Sundrumify]

He went on to say that sexual molestation had nothing to do with celibacy, homosexuality, or the Catholic teaching. "Therefore, we do not need a round table specifically for the Catholic Church," the Archbishop of Freiburg said."

This statement of his speaks for itself! Lisa from Munich

[Sundrumify]

The chairman of the German Bishops' Conference has rejected the call for a round table discussion on the child-abuse claims plaguing the Catholic Church in Germany. "Sexual abuse of children is not a problem specific the Catholic Church," Robert Zollitsch told the newspaper Welt am Sonntag on Sunday, February 28.

.... to be continued

[Sundrumify]

Due to the temptation of illicit sexual relations, every man should have his woman, and every woman her man. He said many problems currently dogging the Church could be solved by allowing clerics to marry, and allowing women to be ordained. The bishops know this, he wrote. but they should also have the courage to talk about it. They would have the vast majority of the public and also the Catholics behind them.

[Sundrumify]

Catholic Child Abuse scandal widens, The Local:

"Respected Catholic theologian Hans Küng wrote on Saturday that the celibacy rule played a rule in the abuse of children and young people in Catholic schools, and called for clerics to be allowed to marry. Writing in the Süddeutsche Zeitung he said the celibacy rule contradicted the bible, quoting from Corinthians,

... to be continued

[Sundrumify]

Hans Küng has an excellent article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung of today.

Titel: Zölibat und Missbrauch, Der Zwang zur Ehelosigkeit der Priester ist für die Krise der katholischen Kirche verantwortlich!

Title:

Celibacy and Abuse. Celibacy is responsible for the crisis in the catholic church.

Will post his key themes on my channel!

Lisa from Munich

[Enigmatik691]

What kind of garbage is this. I am fed up of those so called Catholic intellectuals who keep on using jews and the holocaust to make their anti-Catholic statements heard. Kung talks as if he represents Catholic majority, He is far from it.

[beatlesfanify]

@Enigmatik691 He represents me and every catholic I know.

[madeinsony84]

christianity is by far the worst religion. christianity is a religion of intolerance, rape and mass murder.

[Enigmatik691]

@madeinsony84 This funny coming from a muslim. Follower of the most degraded intollerent religion of all.

[iotaunam1]

Hans Kung is a Joke!

He has long ago rejetced the Catholic Faith.

1:26 - The Murder of the jews was the "biggest crime in the history of humanity" - I dont think so - a Great Cime indeed, but the greatest was without doubt the Muder of God, in the second person of the blessed Trinity - Jesus Christ. I suppose this will not affect Kung since he also denies the very divinity of Christ.

[Dystopiologist]

By the way, loyal Catholics in America really don't see Notre Dame as a "Catholic" institution any more. Perhaps it was not reported in your country, but there was a huge scandal regarding the invitation to have obama speak there.

They even agreed to cover images of our Lord so as not to "offend" his muslim sensibilities.

[glover400]

Obama is muslim???

[Dystopiologist]

Yes, Barack Hussein Obama is muslim. In Islam, it is acceptable to lie about your faith as long as it actually furthers Islam. See:

ww w (dot) conservapedia (dot) com (forwardslash) obama

[glover400]

I do not mind if he was. But I think it is a buzz that was spread by his opponents.

And what you say about muslims is a prejudice. Ok good night. It is very late in Germany now

[Dystopiologist]

I'll respond to you later - about Islam and "falsifiability".

Nice chatting with you. Gute Nacht! ('sorry if I have the case wrong)

:-)

[Dystopiologist]

glover,

I'm not a fan of Islam, but my statement regarding lying is true. The notion of "never deny your faith" is a Christian thing, not a muslim one. In Islam, it is okay to lie, and even pretend that you are a Christian, if it in fact promotes Islam.

[glover400]

Who tells you that? Surah 17:36; 24:4 is equivalent to our 8th Commandment. Now you have to proove your point. You see, Christians and Muslims will always have to get along with eachother. And recreminations suspicions do not help anybody. If the church accepts the Muslims as "our friends" (2nd Vaticanum) you could do that too. Of course no one can tolerate fanatics. But there are enough good examples. And we have to appreciate these.

[Dystopiologist]

Okay, now you are going to make me work - I will try to find my source on the Muslim / Okay-to-lie thing.

But unfortunately, Islam is not a religion of "tolerance". To the muslim, there will be no peace until the world is all subjugated under Islam. That's a problem.

[glover400]

I think it is no problem to find dark spots in a religion especially concerning tolerance. The question is how people deal with it. The problem starts when people focus on details and single statements and loose the overview and forget the real important things. If one knows the multiplication table he is still no mathematician. I'm sure you will find something but that does not justify blanket adjudgements.

[Dystopiologist]

You mention "falsifiability". Note that falsifiability is a philosophical approach toward science, and nothing more! It limits science to only the material, under the assumption that nothing beyond the material is 'scientific'. But that is not necessarily the case,

[glover400]

agreed. My expression was not perfectly chosen ;-).

[ProfessorJarama]

What an idiot this guy is. He's no Catholic, that's for sure, and he's really no theologian either.

[glover400]

Both is wrong! And he is still a Catholic priest in addition to that.

[Dystopiologist]

glover,

He is only a "priest" because of the "once a priest always a priest" reality. But he has been disciplined by the Church, and had his faculties removed. He's even barred from teaching in Catholic institutions.

He's an obstinate heretic! Do your homework.

[glover400]

I' have done my homework. It is not self-evident, that he is still a priest. Other people lost both (like Eugen Drewerman). And it is of course wrong to say that "he is no Catholic" like ProfessorJarama said. He is still in the church and he remains a theologist, although his faculties had been removed by the church. Till this year he still lectured in the University of Tübingen.

[Dystopiologist]

It is not "self-evident" because he does not wear a habit as he should.

He is about as "Catholic" as Luther is (both were baptized Catholic). When one "protests" against the teachings of the Church - and even makes a career out of it - they are Protest-ant. Hans Kung is protestant.

[glover400]

He is catholic because he didn't resign from the church. And remains catholic as long as he considers himself to be one and as long he is not excommunicated by the church. The fact that someone critisizes certain aspects of the church does not make him a protestant. If this was true many hundred million catholics would be protestants. And Johannes the XXIII. the would have been one of them, because he initiated the 2nd vaticanum. S.o. like him would not have disciplined Küng that way.

[Dystopiologist]

When you are Catholic, you profess to believe "all that the Church teaches". Kung doesn't even understand why the Nicene Creed "hasn't changed" to keep up with the times!

If one cannot even believe in the core, basic tenets of Catholicism, it is hard to call that person a "Catholic". Indeed, he has made a career of tearing down the Church.

I'd say that Martin Luther was more "Catholic" than Kung is.

[glover400]

The Catholic Church has continuelly changed since it existed. Changes are always possible. the celibacy (11th century), impeccability dogma (19th century), Humanae Vitae (1968) were all disputed changes that do not need to be considered as core basics. Johannes XXIII. was not very fond of the impeccability dogma and Iam sure, there would not have been something like the humanae vitae under his guidance. Küng only criticized the extrem conservative decisions and changes not the whole church.

[Dystopiologist]

But glover,

One does not question dogma! If dogma is malleable and changeable, then everything is! There would be no foundation for anything at all, and we'd be left with the moral relativism we see in New Age "spirituality". We'd have a religion of man, instead of a religion of God.

[glover400]

These last dogmas came because the Church felt not able to get along with the modernity. In a way they where made out of helplessness. Küngs (of course many other theologists's) intention always was to help the church to persist in the modernity beside those dogmas. In a way your are right. One cannot admit a mistake when there is an impeccability dogma. In my opinion this a real dilemma caused by the curia and Pius XII. But I don't want to quarrel with you. Just wanted to defend Küng a bit.

[Dystopiologist]

I hear you here! Certainly I'll defend his right - no, duty - to follow his conscience. But he also has a duty to properly form his conscience.

But he needs to leave the Church if he cannot accept its teachings. If he wants to protest, fine - he's a protestant! But he should not be a hypocrite, as I believe he clearly is.

[glover400]

Do You have to leave your home country when you are not consent with its government? I'd say that on the whole he is a hard but loyal critic. There are quite many interviews where he said positiv things about Benedict XVI. and came to his defense in the media. He had a friendly discussion with him in 2005 and was also invited to the Catholic institution of the University of Notre Dame. So it is not necessary to demonize him that way.

[Dystopiologist]

Do you "leave your home country" when you dissent? In this case, Yes. When you do not subscribe to the truths that are proposed - but pretend to anyway - you become what was condemned so ferociously by our Lord:

A hypocrite.

[Dystopiologist]

You know, glover -

Kung criticizes the Church for not being run like a democracy! Has he forgotten that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church?

[glover400]

On the contrary: Exact this is the main point of his criticsm. That the church developes in a way that leads away from the origin - so to speak from Jesus Christ. Just read "On Being a Christian" or "Does God Exist?" I'm sure You would not hate it and get a better understanding of his ideas. These books are constructive, not destructive. At least 90% is absolutely compatible with the catholic tenets

[Dystopiologist]

Do you believe that there is a "fixed truth"?

[glover400]

I do not know. But it is possible to falsify things. And we should give our best to find truth.

[Romiosini1]

The Russian Revolution which killed 100 million Christians was the greatest crime in humanity! Not the 6 millions Jews. Kung is a Freemason pig. Don't pay any attention to his lies. He has an agenda.

[tasvictorio]

You wonder why.

Tsk tsk.

Naturally the Inquisition will get top billing because Chhristianity is supposed to be based on love, charity, forgiveness, mercy - whose quality, Shakespeare said, "droppeth as a gentle rain from heaven." When Nazi devils inflicted torture on prisoners they were at least being what they were - devils. When the disciples or apostles or followers of the Lamb of God did ii, what were they being? Go figure.

[OriamendiMexico]

(Yes that was a rhetorical question)

[OriamendiMexico]

Look, its obvious you're getting information from websites (or people) who are working with ill defined terms, misconceptions, half-truths and some outright lies.

Look up "Myths on Indulgences". The article starts out with these words:

"Indulgences. The very word stirs up more misconceptions than perhaps any other teaching in Catholic theology. Those who attack the Church for its use of indulgences rely upon—and take advantage of—the ignorance of both Catholics and non-Catholics. "

[OriamendiMexico]

... I've never heard anyone (except some Protestant pastors) say, "sin all you want, but just remember to repent", not in Church teaching.

Sin is to be avoided, you run from sin, you don't fight it. A near occasion of sin is a sin.

So I ask you Gron, to reexamine your assumptions about Catholics, you're actually talking about Protestants when I read your complaints.

[GronTheMighty]

wrong again; the catholic church in the past sold letters of absolution for money - even today you can go to a confession booth and have the catholic priest assign penance and absolve you of your sins on the spot!

i can copy+paste you the very verse priests recite to perform this 'duty' if you wish ; if you want to look it up yourself its called the sacrament of penance and reconciliation.

Then again, christianity comes in so many whacky forms these days, protestants are even weirder...

[OriamendiMexico]

Actually, you've just exposed how ignorant you are concerning this issue. These are called "indulgences", and they don't give absolution, they give pardon.

Indulgences can be obtained through prayer, or even reading from the Bible. The selling of indulgences was something done by people who preyed upon the ignorance of those buying.

The Sacrament of Reconcilliation is also called confession. It has nothing to do with money.

You need to do research on Catholic sites.

[GronTheMighty]

If i offered to sell you some tinfoil hats for you and your family, would that send you into a raging fit at this point?

regardless, your closed mind is your own, as i can evidently not even adress you when your religion is in the way, i'll leave it at that - hope to see you join the real world some day ;)

[OriamendiMexico]

Are you talking about me or yourself sir?

[OriamendiMexico]

"On another note, the agenda of religious institutions is to _make_ people _believe_ in the religions.. it specifies a requirement of faith, because it is make-believe."

If that were the case, religions wouldn't have the restrictions they do, they'd make things fun and "everyone just go nuts and do what you want".

That sounds like something people would rather believe, and its a much easier way to control people than, "and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us".

[GronTheMighty]

You haven't read your holy book of choice evidently - from the lectures of jesus it is clear that no man who seeks forgiveness for any act will be denied it ; an extention of actually being able to do exactly everything you damn well please yourself with, and then later repent if it was wrong - ask yourself if god would forgive men such as hitler for their deeds ; if not, then the bible, and its accounts of jesus lies, if so then yes it says exactly what you think it doesn't when stating thusly.

[OriamendiMexico]

Hitler never asked for forgiveness, in fact he ran around laughing with his buddies when he received his excommunication documents.

The "holy book of choice" isn't interpreted at face value or by personal interpretation in Catholic theology, it is in Protestant theology and we can see the effects of the past 500 years and the consequences we've seen since as proof enough of how this thinking leads to disaster...

[OriamendiMexico]

One takes certain creeds in the Church. The Apostle's Creed, the Athanasian Creed, the Nicene Creed, etc.

If you take a creed and then start doing and saying the opposite of what you promised under the creed, how can you be called Catholic?

This man may have obtained a theologian's education but he has not used it.

[GronTheMighty]

Theologians do not nescessarily uphold the beliefs - and any creed of any religion you take is taken towards a being you wish to be present - if you later realize or at least consider that that being might not be real at all it is absolutely normal behaviour to not uphold that creed any longer.

If you made a covenant with your invisible friend as a kid, you would break it once you lost your imaginary friend as well ; no pun intended, but it is unavoidable to formulate it differently.

[OriamendiMexico]

Theologians don't hold up beliefs, wow.

Theo= God

Logos= the study of

The study of God, one cannot truly be a theologian if they don't even believe in the very thing they are studying!

[GronTheMighty]

That is absolutely flawed logic you uphold there - one may just as well be in the study of science fiction writing, but that does not mean the student of it believes the writings to be true - you should know better than to claim a theologian cannot but believe the theology they study to be true ; after all most theologians chose to study more than one religion, in fact most theologians go into comparative religious studies over scores of religions, yet according to you they believe all of them??

[OriamendiMexico]

You're twisting my words and using a bad example.

Science fiction doesn't claim to be true, on the contrary, its in the name science FICTION.

Theology does assert to be true. Comparative religious studies? One does not need to take those classes to earn a theology degree, just because some do doesn't make it the rule, if anything its the exception to the rule.

[GronTheMighty]

Regardless, the point i was making is still valid - you can't assert that a theologian has to believe the theology he or she studies to be true. There is just as much merit in studying religion with the perspective that it is manmade, with interests in solving psychological issues or socialogical issues.

On another note, the agenda of religious institutions is to _make_ people _believe_ in the religions.. it specifies a requirement of faith, because it is make-believe.

[OriamendiMexico]

He's not a theologian then, if he doesn't believe what he's studying. The name of his title would have to be changed from "theologian", one who studies God, to a more appropriate word meaning one who studies the study of God... theology...logy, he's be a theologylogian or something else more appropriate to what he actually is.

[GronTheMighty]

You should really pick up a dictionary - a theologian busies himself or herself with the study of theology ; theology concerns religion and religious beliefs - again, you are simply and utterly wrong in saying he is not a theologian if he himself does not believe in a god or gods...

[OriamendiMexico]

Well then, the dictionary's writers are biased and need to pick up an etymology book.

[BlessingsA]

The Divinity of Christ, Ressurection, angels, etc. have no place in his arrogant self-assured personal genius. He may have been a Christian early in life, he is no longer. The Christian Faith cannot be re-designed by a man who has spent his whole life seeking celebrity and global importance. How sad he can't forgive and let go of his hatred toward the Church because he wasn't given "promotion" within Her to the degree that he surely felt himself worthy to receive.

[OriamendiMexico]

Hans Kung should have been discredited long ago, I don't know why anyone says he's a theologian.

[GronTheMighty]

It could be due to the fact that he has studied, and as a result is very knowledgable about theology as a whole ;)

He should be discredited because he disagrees with you or others?

Why not go all-in and call for a second coming of the spanish inquisition??

[OriamendiMexico]

The Spanish Inquisition would apply to him only if he was a Spaniard who claimed he was Catholic but held views that were not Catholic.

So, Hans Kung would be tried back then, yes. Except he's not a Spaniard, he's German.

Perhaps a German Inquisition would be more appropriate. And don't believe the reformist propaganda concerning the Inquisitions, everyone used torture back then, but for some reason only the Inquisition is known for it.

I wonder why? (sarcasm)

[duggany]

Hans Kung is the biggest liar of the 20th century. His intention can only be to distroy the one true church of Jesus Christ. Isreal is not a jewish state. They are Zionist. Zionist are not the ones that will come back into the Church.

[inferno0020]

I don't know about Catholic church, but I am sure that American Evangelical Church is definitely heading back to Middle-Ages.

[OriamendiMexico]

The American Evangelical Church didn't exist back in the Middle Ages. In fact, I don't think they existed until very recently... around... oh, say, the late 1800's, early 1900's.

[bfgray]

@inferno0020 I didn't know either had ever left the dark ages...well sure they have been dragged kicking and screaming a little ways from those glorious times....but always with the intention of returning as soon as possible.

[glizag]

KUNG SAYS IT LIKE IT IS -- Catholicism lacks direction.

And we have to Block Popes from bringing the World back into the Dark Ages.

Also, I think the Pope should stay out of politics and direct his energies preaching about his Wafer god instead.

[eagleeye222001]

Bad interview

[Counterrevolutionite]

This man is a freemason, he despises Catholicism.

[ixtoc999]

Hans Kung is a heretic for all practical purposes. Shame on him!

[Hattakiri]

@ixtoc999 The catholic view is one of many ;-)

[strictly4yu]

Well that's amazing! Nice shot "nekedemus"

[strictly4yu]

Well that's amazing! Nice shot "nekedemus":)

[dasdingausdemmoor]

...also

[nekedemus]

Heading back to the Middle Ages?

They haven´t even left the Dark Ages.

[FuzzyDuck]

Agreed.

[antoshahorosha]

So true!

[ixtoc999]

Be careful "genius¨ , you may end up mad.

[Counterrevolutionite]

You are ignorant, the only "Dark Ages" was the period between the collapse of Roman due to savage barbarian tribes.. and the restablishment of civilisation ie - the Catholic Church converting the barbarians.

[OriamendiMexico]

CORRECT! Why do people always miss that?

The Dark Ages were a time when the Church had little to no control because of Huns, Mongols, Vikings, Goths, Vandals, invading Muslims, etc.

The Dark Ages ended when Christendom finally re-emerged and most of the invaders had either converted or left.