if you haven't seen it yet, watch the clip w/Ray McGovern being beaten and dragged out of GWU as Hillary speaks about "freedom of expression and democracy". Then answer this. If you were the Iranian govt., would YOU trust the States?
Noam pleads to the Iranian Government for justice and due process for the 3 US hikers, in the same way he pleads the US Government for justice and due process for the thousands of people held by the US at Guantanamo without due process, and subjected to psychological trials.
Noam Chomsky is a good man. A hero figure to me, if any there were in todays world. But if these hikers are innocent, it probably hardly matters (to the Iranians). My guess is it is tit for tat.
Shafii The lawyer for the 3 stated,"I have studied the case in full detail. The question of spying is irrelevant. There is just the question of illegal entry, which even if it has happened has been inadvertent as the border was unmarked....""IRRELEVANT" This is the very issue the whole case will be centered on. This Lawyer had over a year to work on this case, and this is the best he can do? They are indeed charged with spying, Illegal entry to IRAN and espoinage. Hardly IRRELEVANT!
@Neidhardt84: privately, Marx confessed of logical fallacies in his work. So long as you substitute a ruling power or organization there is only one inevitable result, so long as you depend on representative power. Whether marxism or oligarchy or whatever, that is the case
LISTEN! February 6th is their day in court for ALL 3. It will be to the "letter of the law" TRUST THIS! Because, the world IS watching Iran! IF the trial is AGAIN POSPONED, IT will be because of Shourd ONLY, who AGAIN will probably regnege on her bail of 1/2 mil, and her signed promise to return for the trial. Iran CAN and MAY put off this trial due to HER,IF SHE is absent Feb.6th.Thus the 2 will not have a hope to be heard in court. Shourd your silence regarding this date is deafening! WHY?
What in the hell makes him think that Iranian government cares about activists for environmentalism and human rights in Africa? This country is still stoning women to death and cutting people's heads and hands off. And you think they are care about environmentalism and human rights in Africa? The video says he is talking to the religious leaders, too. Hahahah! Ever the rationalist. The ones that tried to kill Salman Rushdie for a book they never even read? Fat chance they watch youtube.
Noam is a fake anarchist. Here he is begging a government to release someone just for being on imagined good side of the state (ie: being vaguely left-wing). It's not that no one should be in their prisons; which would be the anarchist position. It's that they shouldn't be there because he knows things about them. And because, as a professor at MIT, he knows who should and shouldn't be in prison. There is also possibility that he thinks this government is his personal confidant. Don't beg.
@elhrac Anti-Americans? hehehe That's a great line straight out of a fasict's mouth. Congratulations on hating geuine HUMAN RIGHTS activists who tirelessly campaign and fight to stop oppression and abuse. Well done for hating HUMAN RIGHTS.
What would Norm Chomsky really know about these people? So they are Jews! Well Norm that really does make it very stupid to go playing "tourist on foot" on the Iraq-Iran border when your country (USA) has just illegally invaded and destroyed Iraq at the behest of Israel and now is being asked at the moment of the capture of these idiots to bomb Iran by again Israel to which most Jews give their first loyalty. Put them on trial Jews need to start taking responsibility for what they do wrong.
Anyone that makes any group wrong and their group right is totally unconscious. Man has a tendency to group into one group and make the other group wrong. This mind set will perpetuate wars and bigotry. I have wonderful friends in many religions and walks of life. Honor the similarities not the differences.
Dr. Chomsky recently told Iranian TV that at the time the USA attacked Afghanistan they had no evidence that al Qaeda had done 9/11. See my video "Chomsky on Faith-Based Wars and 9/11"
Strange to me there has been nothing said about the Feb 6th trial by the "hikers" group.Shourd released on 1/2 million bail DID agree to return to IRAN to face trial . a mere few weeks away. Yet with this being the key to the climax of this *story* it is a avoided by them at alll costs. For example has Shourd applied for the needed visa by now? Plane ticket bought? I will wait to hear from Press tv for the details that cannot be hidden by USA news.What happens to the 2 Should Shourd Skip BAIL?
"Recreational Hiking " in a country that is currently being occupied in a illegal war !! Are americans that dumb ??? WHO ACTUALLY WOULD GO RECREATIONAL HIKING
IN A COUNTRY AT WAR ??? I have been a fan of chomsky for a long time but he has embarrassed himself by pushing gov lies ..... and if you are dumb enough to go hiking in a country that is at war ..FUCK EM !
@ucanifuwant Iraqi Kurdistan is not the same as the whole country of Iraq – it's quite different, and a separate area. It's actually a growing tourist area, and a very beautiful one with amazing, peaceful people. I myself am traveling to IK in January to shoot a documentary. Of course, I'm staying out of the mountains... :) But seriously, IK is not a bad place. It was listed on Nat Geo's top 20 places to travel.
You can't be an Anarchist-Communist it is a contradiction of terms, one is Authortarian the other Libertarian, you obviously do not know the meaning of the words.
Chomsky is an Atheist, not Jewish, unless you believe the Fascist lie that Jews are a race?
@DorianHouse - Well that's Jews for ya. A little bit of this a little bit of that. He believes all prisoners should be freed. He's like a academic anarchist and he's obviously a Marxist globalist and I don't think u need proof of that...and he's what the Jews themselves call an atheist Jew. Like Woody Alan and so many others, i.e a racial Jew. So he's all three.
@DariusDaGreat86 Your logic and rhetoric are impressive, you have caused me to renounce all my Anarchist views, I should think you will be replacing Noam at MIT shortly.
@DorianHouse - lol talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're genius who thinks an Atheist Jew is not a Jew. Go tell Woody Alan that he's not a Jew and he will punch u in the nuts (get it? cuz he's a midget)
@DorianHouse One of the leading anarchist theoreticians, Peter Kropotkin, is a pioneer of what is called communist anarchism (or libertarian communism/socialism). Anarchosyndicalism is just a more updated form of communist anarchism (read Kropotkin, Anton Pannekoek, Rudolf Rocker). You shouldn't confuse communism with Lenin's concept of a ruling party or avantgarde. Marx would most certainly disagree with Lenin and be disgusted by what was done by stalinist dictators in his name.
@Neidhardt84 I of course know this. I think you speak contempously by explaining this to me, I was using the word Communism in the context that DariusDaGreat was using it. I however feel that it is important to call it libertarian-socialism and Anarcho-Syndaclism as the word "Communism" has been evacuated of meaning and is now solely associated with the Authortarian left.
@Neidhardt84 How right you are. Dead on right on the money. Marx and Engels would be disgraced by Lenin's as well as Stalin's Fascism. You are well informed. Prof Chomsky looks so old, it's a little depressing.
@DorianHouse Israel recognizes Jews as a race. So this makes them all the more fascist. That said, Chomsky is, mind you, a 'non-Jewish Jew'. See Isaac Deutscher. Also it is you who does not get it, communism and anarchism have so much in common. Surely anarcho-communism is not a neologism? The Bolsheviks originally intended to make a revolution that would eventually lead to the abolition of the state.
@MFKalfat Communism and Anarchism have so much in common? That's offensive, the Communists who smashed the Anarchist communes during the Spanish civil war should never be asscociated with Anarchism. I think you are confusing the Theory with reality, and even then they are very different, the dictatorship of the Proletariat is completely incompatible with Anarchist thought, how can one reject authority and impose another. I do not know why you mention Israel, it being proto-fascist is a truism.
Salahuddin2009a, why make "Jewish spy" accusations? Iranian citizens have been executed for such allegations. Azageerf, the U.S. does hold illegal aliens on U.S. territory without due process, but the hikers say they didn't know they were in Iran. Were they seized on Iraq's side of the border? Chomsky is courageous to speak out and not leave their destiny to fate. If his request is denied, the Iranian court must discover the facts and give these Americans their right to an impartial trial.
Norm stated " I believe they have been denied due process". Due process is FEB 6th the trial date.Less than a month away! Their case will be heard, they will answer to the charges. Far more than scores of prisoners kept in USA without a hope for a trial, not ONE visit from their families, their friends,NOT one call, NOT one lawyer, locked away from view. Iran has a legal venue and the world will be watching, too bad it could not be the same for IRAN prisoners held in USA..
If I were Iran with my back to the wall, all sides around me, judging me without trial, without evidence,without cause, longing to see my demise, to subdue me,to vilify me , to SPY on me , to impose restraints & sanctions upon me, to spread fear and loathing of me, to want war with me,without true weight to the charges laid aganst me by USA So, I would closely look at any American who would try to cross my border watever ther reason. Iran gave the 3 a trial date to give answer to charges laid .
I was there, in the exact situation you described. So, to free myself, I got an admission from a reputed US university. Guess what happened... No visa! US government did not issue visa for me! And people within Iranian government come to US even get immigration (with investing) easily! Now, do you think that there is something wrong here? US never be honest with Iranians, so, NOBODY would welcome US attacks.
Norm said, "I hope that they will be released without a trial, if there is one". Norm THERE IS A TRIAL,! DATE IS FEB 6th, over and above the hopes of the 3 to avoid this at all costs, UNLIKE many prisoners kept in USA prisons unjustly without even a Hope for a hearing. " IF" there is nothing to hide , there is nothing to fear! ALL 3 have a date to stand before the courts and give answer to the charges aganst them.Why are they so AFRAID of this day in court?? Something is not quite right here!
As an Iranian, I appreciate Noam for his good move and perfect approach. I believe this action should be done by many other Americans to show their determination for this. If the people demonstrate their determination, no one can say NO!
Spead his word and ask more people to ask for it.
Good luck and I hope they would be at home next month.
@mvaredi I admire you people in Iran. Why is it, that a lot of Iranians are so cool, so well mannered and quite well educated and your image in the world is exactly the contrary? One more question: is your government RE-PRESENTING the folk of Iran? Is it how you want to be governed? All the best to you, mvaredi. Be well…
Iran should free all three spies immediately, on humanitarian grounds!
US politicians do not jail foreign nationals who are caught spying, they hire them.
votingronpaul2008 5 months ago
I guess devoting their lives to trashing Israel didn't help them in prison!!!!
rachelgolem 10 months ago
60 likes and 1 dislike. Not bad.....
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
if you haven't seen it yet, watch the clip w/Ray McGovern being beaten and dragged out of GWU as Hillary speaks about "freedom of expression and democracy". Then answer this. If you were the Iranian govt., would YOU trust the States?
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
does he know them, was he their teacher? Stick to transformational grammer, you shill!
mojo75 1 year ago
Noam pleads to the Iranian Government for justice and due process for the 3 US hikers, in the same way he pleads the US Government for justice and due process for the thousands of people held by the US at Guantanamo without due process, and subjected to psychological trials.
Noam Chomsky is a good man. A hero figure to me, if any there were in todays world. But if these hikers are innocent, it probably hardly matters (to the Iranians). My guess is it is tit for tat.
svaens 1 year ago 9
Thanks, Mr. Chomsky for speaking up on behalf of Bauer and Fattal. I hope they are released soon.
eirearya 1 year ago
Shafii The lawyer for the 3 stated,"I have studied the case in full detail. The question of spying is irrelevant. There is just the question of illegal entry, which even if it has happened has been inadvertent as the border was unmarked....""IRRELEVANT" This is the very issue the whole case will be centered on. This Lawyer had over a year to work on this case, and this is the best he can do? They are indeed charged with spying, Illegal entry to IRAN and espoinage. Hardly IRRELEVANT!
azageerf 1 year ago
@Neidhardt84: privately, Marx confessed of logical fallacies in his work. So long as you substitute a ruling power or organization there is only one inevitable result, so long as you depend on representative power. Whether marxism or oligarchy or whatever, that is the case
monoamine1980 1 year ago
i <3 you sir!!
Fatima74 1 year ago
LISTEN! February 6th is their day in court for ALL 3. It will be to the "letter of the law" TRUST THIS! Because, the world IS watching Iran! IF the trial is AGAIN POSPONED, IT will be because of Shourd ONLY, who AGAIN will probably regnege on her bail of 1/2 mil, and her signed promise to return for the trial. Iran CAN and MAY put off this trial due to HER,IF SHE is absent Feb.6th.Thus the 2 will not have a hope to be heard in court. Shourd your silence regarding this date is deafening! WHY?
azageerf 1 year ago
What in the hell makes him think that Iranian government cares about activists for environmentalism and human rights in Africa? This country is still stoning women to death and cutting people's heads and hands off. And you think they are care about environmentalism and human rights in Africa? The video says he is talking to the religious leaders, too. Hahahah! Ever the rationalist. The ones that tried to kill Salman Rushdie for a book they never even read? Fat chance they watch youtube.
jnshrmn 1 year ago
Noam is a fake anarchist. Here he is begging a government to release someone just for being on imagined good side of the state (ie: being vaguely left-wing). It's not that no one should be in their prisons; which would be the anarchist position. It's that they shouldn't be there because he knows things about them. And because, as a professor at MIT, he knows who should and shouldn't be in prison. There is also possibility that he thinks this government is his personal confidant. Don't beg.
jnshrmn 1 year ago
Chomsky is sticking up for his fellow anti-Americans.
elhrac 1 year ago
@elhrac Anti-Americans? hehehe That's a great line straight out of a fasict's mouth. Congratulations on hating geuine HUMAN RIGHTS activists who tirelessly campaign and fight to stop oppression and abuse. Well done for hating HUMAN RIGHTS.
MrDarkbloom 1 year ago
@elhrac
What does anti-American mean?
How is Chomsky anti-American?
KentAllard 1 year ago
Noam' s the man ,now let hope somebody's listening !
clappersox 1 year ago
What would Norm Chomsky really know about these people? So they are Jews! Well Norm that really does make it very stupid to go playing "tourist on foot" on the Iraq-Iran border when your country (USA) has just illegally invaded and destroyed Iraq at the behest of Israel and now is being asked at the moment of the capture of these idiots to bomb Iran by again Israel to which most Jews give their first loyalty. Put them on trial Jews need to start taking responsibility for what they do wrong.
llyndel 1 year ago
@llyndel They are HUMAN RIGHTS campaigners - who gives a fuck what their family is or isn't? Well done for being so fucking cynical.
MrDarkbloom 1 year ago
Anyone that makes any group wrong and their group right is totally unconscious. Man has a tendency to group into one group and make the other group wrong. This mind set will perpetuate wars and bigotry. I have wonderful friends in many religions and walks of life. Honor the similarities not the differences.
visco154 1 year ago 2
Dr. Chomsky recently told Iranian TV that at the time the USA attacked Afghanistan they had no evidence that al Qaeda had done 9/11. See my video "Chomsky on Faith-Based Wars and 9/11"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
Strange to me there has been nothing said about the Feb 6th trial by the "hikers" group.Shourd released on 1/2 million bail DID agree to return to IRAN to face trial . a mere few weeks away. Yet with this being the key to the climax of this *story* it is a avoided by them at alll costs. For example has Shourd applied for the needed visa by now? Plane ticket bought? I will wait to hear from Press tv for the details that cannot be hidden by USA news.What happens to the 2 Should Shourd Skip BAIL?
azageerf 1 year ago
my uncle is IRGC, close to Generals, I will make sure he knowss about this
WinkyMaeve 1 year ago
"Recreational Hiking " in a country that is currently being occupied in a illegal war !! Are americans that dumb ??? WHO ACTUALLY WOULD GO RECREATIONAL HIKING
IN A COUNTRY AT WAR ??? I have been a fan of chomsky for a long time but he has embarrassed himself by pushing gov lies ..... and if you are dumb enough to go hiking in a country that is at war ..FUCK EM !
ucanifuwant 1 year ago
@ucanifuwant
I knew a couple that went to Vietnam to observe the countryside (“hiking”) in 1970. The fact that its at war would further interest for some people.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@ucanifuwant Iraqi Kurdistan is not the same as the whole country of Iraq – it's quite different, and a separate area. It's actually a growing tourist area, and a very beautiful one with amazing, peaceful people. I myself am traveling to IK in January to shoot a documentary. Of course, I'm staying out of the mountains... :) But seriously, IK is not a bad place. It was listed on Nat Geo's top 20 places to travel.
rhysnyc 9 months ago
Very amusing. I'm sure the Mullahs have alot in common with an ultra liberal communist/anarchist Jew.
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
@DariusDaGreat86 He is not Jewish, "Communist/Anarchist" is an Oxymoron. Please learn the meaning of words before you use them.
DorianHouse 1 year ago
@DorianHouse - He's all three.
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
@DariusDaGreat86
You can't be an Anarchist-Communist it is a contradiction of terms, one is Authortarian the other Libertarian, you obviously do not know the meaning of the words.
Chomsky is an Atheist, not Jewish, unless you believe the Fascist lie that Jews are a race?
DorianHouse 1 year ago
@DorianHouse - Well that's Jews for ya. A little bit of this a little bit of that. He believes all prisoners should be freed. He's like a academic anarchist and he's obviously a Marxist globalist and I don't think u need proof of that...and he's what the Jews themselves call an atheist Jew. Like Woody Alan and so many others, i.e a racial Jew. So he's all three.
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
@DariusDaGreat86
do you even know any jews personally?
phooey108 1 year ago
@DariusDaGreat86 Your logic and rhetoric are impressive, you have caused me to renounce all my Anarchist views, I should think you will be replacing Noam at MIT shortly.
DorianHouse 1 year ago
@DorianHouse - lol talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're genius who thinks an Atheist Jew is not a Jew. Go tell Woody Alan that he's not a Jew and he will punch u in the nuts (get it? cuz he's a midget)
DariusDaGreat86 1 year ago
@DorianHouse One of the leading anarchist theoreticians, Peter Kropotkin, is a pioneer of what is called communist anarchism (or libertarian communism/socialism). Anarchosyndicalism is just a more updated form of communist anarchism (read Kropotkin, Anton Pannekoek, Rudolf Rocker). You shouldn't confuse communism with Lenin's concept of a ruling party or avantgarde. Marx would most certainly disagree with Lenin and be disgusted by what was done by stalinist dictators in his name.
Neidhardt84 1 year ago 16
@Neidhardt84 I of course know this. I think you speak contempously by explaining this to me, I was using the word Communism in the context that DariusDaGreat was using it. I however feel that it is important to call it libertarian-socialism and Anarcho-Syndaclism as the word "Communism" has been evacuated of meaning and is now solely associated with the Authortarian left.
DorianHouse 1 year ago
@Neidhardt84 How right you are. Dead on right on the money. Marx and Engels would be disgraced by Lenin's as well as Stalin's Fascism. You are well informed. Prof Chomsky looks so old, it's a little depressing.
stella3265 1 year ago
@DorianHouse Israel recognizes Jews as a race. So this makes them all the more fascist. That said, Chomsky is, mind you, a 'non-Jewish Jew'. See Isaac Deutscher. Also it is you who does not get it, communism and anarchism have so much in common. Surely anarcho-communism is not a neologism? The Bolsheviks originally intended to make a revolution that would eventually lead to the abolition of the state.
MFKalfat 1 year ago
@MFKalfat Communism and Anarchism have so much in common? That's offensive, the Communists who smashed the Anarchist communes during the Spanish civil war should never be asscociated with Anarchism. I think you are confusing the Theory with reality, and even then they are very different, the dictatorship of the Proletariat is completely incompatible with Anarchist thought, how can one reject authority and impose another. I do not know why you mention Israel, it being proto-fascist is a truism.
DorianHouse 1 year ago
@DorianHouse On the first day of a revolution a Anarchist is a hero...On the second day they should be shot....
dogdoom 1 year ago
Salahuddin2009a, why make "Jewish spy" accusations? Iranian citizens have been executed for such allegations. Azageerf, the U.S. does hold illegal aliens on U.S. territory without due process, but the hikers say they didn't know they were in Iran. Were they seized on Iraq's side of the border? Chomsky is courageous to speak out and not leave their destiny to fate. If his request is denied, the Iranian court must discover the facts and give these Americans their right to an impartial trial.
annvon78 1 year ago
Norm stated " I believe they have been denied due process". Due process is FEB 6th the trial date.Less than a month away! Their case will be heard, they will answer to the charges. Far more than scores of prisoners kept in USA without a hope for a trial, not ONE visit from their families, their friends,NOT one call, NOT one lawyer, locked away from view. Iran has a legal venue and the world will be watching, too bad it could not be the same for IRAN prisoners held in USA..
azageerf 1 year ago
Chosmky is defending his fellow Jewish spy friends!
Salahuddin2009a 1 year ago
@Salahuddin2009a Shame on those who convict people as freely as a slut embraces the customer!
This is no Islamic manner to do so!
As an Iranian, I guarantee Iranians don't think like what is going on in Iran.
yazdifard 1 year ago
@yazdifard
RE: As an Iranian, I guarantee Iranians don't think like what is going on in Iran.
How can you guarantee that you know what 70 million Iranians think or want?
Have you asked them one by one? Or as we say in Farsi “Kafar hameh ra be kish khod pendarad”!
As for the “Sluts", I have no experience in that field, but how do you know how sluts embrace their customers? Do you have firsthand experience?
Salahuddin2009a 1 year ago
Thank you Noam Chomsky!!!
ect823 1 year ago
Chosmky is defending his fellow anti-American activists. How sweet.
elhrac 1 year ago
If I were Iran with my back to the wall, all sides around me, judging me without trial, without evidence,without cause, longing to see my demise, to subdue me,to vilify me , to SPY on me , to impose restraints & sanctions upon me, to spread fear and loathing of me, to want war with me,without true weight to the charges laid aganst me by USA So, I would closely look at any American who would try to cross my border watever ther reason. Iran gave the 3 a trial date to give answer to charges laid .
azageerf 1 year ago
@azageerf
I was there, in the exact situation you described. So, to free myself, I got an admission from a reputed US university. Guess what happened... No visa! US government did not issue visa for me! And people within Iranian government come to US even get immigration (with investing) easily! Now, do you think that there is something wrong here? US never be honest with Iranians, so, NOBODY would welcome US attacks.
persiantaha 1 year ago
Norm said, "I hope that they will be released without a trial, if there is one". Norm THERE IS A TRIAL,! DATE IS FEB 6th, over and above the hopes of the 3 to avoid this at all costs, UNLIKE many prisoners kept in USA prisons unjustly without even a Hope for a hearing. " IF" there is nothing to hide , there is nothing to fear! ALL 3 have a date to stand before the courts and give answer to the charges aganst them.Why are they so AFRAID of this day in court?? Something is not quite right here!
azageerf 1 year ago
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Fatima74 1 year ago
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Fatima74 1 year ago
@azageerf - why did the Iranians hold them for this long before a fair trial?!
Fatima74 1 year ago
@Fatima74
Ask Bradley Manning.
Zobree 1 year ago
@Zobree - ask bradley manning what?
Fatima74 1 year ago
@Zobree - these people were involved in palestine justice, they had nothing against iran!!
Fatima74 1 year ago
As an Iranian, I appreciate Noam for his good move and perfect approach. I believe this action should be done by many other Americans to show their determination for this. If the people demonstrate their determination, no one can say NO!
Spead his word and ask more people to ask for it.
Good luck and I hope they would be at home next month.
mvaredi 1 year ago
@mvaredi I admire you people in Iran. Why is it, that a lot of Iranians are so cool, so well mannered and quite well educated and your image in the world is exactly the contrary? One more question: is your government RE-PRESENTING the folk of Iran? Is it how you want to be governed? All the best to you, mvaredi. Be well…
Mariechaon 1 year ago
why is he reading from notes unlike any other of his speech
zederish 1 year ago
Iranian government is a terrorist one that executes Kurdish political activists on daily bases while the whole world is deaf and blind about it.
NawrozNawrozi 1 year ago
@NawrozNawrozi
You're right, nobody does anything about Iran or ever mentions it
KentAllard 1 year ago
Thank you Noam Chomsky! Here is hoping Iran will release Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal on compassionate grounds!
sijui786 1 year ago
@sijui786 not likely, they don't have a whole lot of compassion.
dchoubak 1 year ago