David Starkey on Katherine Parr -- Part one

[whyNasra]

This man falls in love with every women.

[nicoleca0427]

@whyNasra I would say more lust. You know how many people he prolly had sex with? hmm.. sounds like every man out there to me, just wanting to get it in.

[TachieBillano]

@ArtificialRed1083: Dude. Back then, women could not say no. If a woman said no to the King without an excuse he could accept, His effin' Majesty could get mad enough to ruin them (e.g. take away whatever wealth she had by decree), or even declare them traitorous subjects -- and have them beheaded.

[vampyregirlie]

@ArtificialRed1083 I think that is untrue. Back then if the King desired you...you didn't say no. Your family wouldn't let you, and if you did deny him he could make your life hell. So you simply didn't say no.

[FlowerChild65]

I never understood why she did not come to Elizabeth's defense and protection when Seymour tried to molest her. Why did Katherine go on to marry him?

[Nicollie1062]

@FlowerChild65 blind love and denial most likely.

[danhagerdanhager]

Dramatic reconstruction - aka history for chavs.

[suzannesadiiqa]

Lord what a frightful beard!!!

[californiaengineer]

you don't need a man to live a happy life and you certainly don't need a guy named Henry in your life either. Cathrine Parr should have thought more of herself than her country or king.

[spinmonkey4401]

I wonder if Sir Thomas Seymour's beard will ever come back in style on the catwalks of Milan.

[Flohaug81]

I think Cathrine Parr actualy loved Henry after a while,remember she never spoke badly about him,and she actualy cared for him

[Nicollie1062]

@Flohaug81 well I don't think not speaking badly of somebody means you love them..or even respect them for that matter. It could be out of fear.. .or it could be just a part of a person's personality. Some women just don't talk shit about their men, no matter how they truly feel about them. :)

[kendahke]

If Katherine Parr was fiercely protestant, then why the shot of her praying with a rosary? Protestants didn't use rosaries: catholics did.

[FlowerChild65]

@kendahke Not entirely true. Many Anglo-catholics and High Church Anglicans use the rosary to this day. Now, many of Katherine's writings are more Evangelical, so it would suggest that she might reject them. But I think she would have had the good sense to do as Henry wanted and not displease him.

[CoRaLrOsE01]

Actually the worse part was that after she was finally free from being Queen to Henry, she marries a man that she passionately loves and is betrayed by both her husband and worse of all, by Elizabeth. She took Elizabeth in and protected her from the turmoil of her brother's unstable court. She saw Elizabeth like daughter. Elizabeth felt bad but didn't have any time to make amends, Catherine died in child birth. It was a sad, sad situation all around. Catherine Parr was true lady.

[kendahke]

@CoRaLrOsE01 Actually, while Elizabeth was sent to live with Sir Anthony Denny, Catherine wrote to her to pull her coattail on how she should mind the manner in which she conducts herself, so as to not create a blemish on her good name and her virtue. Elizabeth responds with kindness to the letter and says she can't wait to see her again. Therefore, so much for your assertion that she "didn't have time to make amends". David Starkey's book "Elizabeth: Struggle for the Throne" spells it out.

[PrincessMioneKag]

I think Kate Parr was a nice blend of all the virtues in the previous wives. Nuruting and wise like Katherine of Aragon, devout and fiery in her convictions like Anne Bolyen, sweet and (outwardly) submissive like Jane Seymour, steady minded like Anne of Cleves, and up for a pretty decent time like Kitty Howard. I'm glad she kept her head.

[ekateri28]

Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, SURVIVED. Thank God it's over. Well it will be over when Edward VI croaks since he too was a bigot like his infamous father King Henry VIII.

[starquant]

How de-humanizing to be only viewed for your ability to breed, as one would a prize sow. To have no rights and to not to be able to express a view or an opinion, to be so dominated as to have no identity in your own right. To be traded and bartered for, as befitting a farmyard animal, for the personal gains of others. During the inquisition, so many women were burned for the slightest of infractions. It was generally believed that women (like animals), had no soul and could be dispatched with.

[ekateri28]

@starquant wow, scary isn't it? I count my lucky stars that I was born in the late 20th century and that I live in the 21 st century. Take advantage of it.

[starquant]

@ekateri28 well I know we do, but women in Islamic countries do not have to same luxury. The paradox is, that it is allowed to continue unabated, when we know it is wrong. If you are interested, there are a lot of docos on women in Afghanistan, Jordan and female infanticide in India. I won't continue because once you start "LOOKING" , I guarantee you will be shocked. The human rights commissioner in Afghanistan stated "Women SHOULD be treated a human beings" in 2009. SPOT THE MISTAKE.

[ekateri28]

@starquant female infanticide in India? That is understandable considering there are 1 billion people living there and sexually active people don't take proper precautions like condoms etc. to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Funny that girls are thrown away or not appreciated; is it due to arranged marriages and dowries still being used today? Shocking.

[starquant]

@ekateri28 yep.

[Flohaug81]

Kathrine Parr was scared of Henry in beginning,however she grew to love Henry even thoe she loved Thomas Seymore

[marym499]

"I Katherine, take thee Henry" Big mistake, BIG.

[happybkwrm]

@marym499 I doubt she was given a choice. 

[HistoryLover1550]

Both Seymour brothers deserved their heads cut off!

[HistoryLover1550]

In "The Tudors" JRM should've dyed his hair red, then he would've looked like the Henry VIII everyone's familiar with. I still love his portrayal of him though.

[HistoryLover1550]

Catherine parr was Elizabeth's role model!

[HistoryLover1550]

Catherine parr and her husband were both prisoners during the Pilgrimage of Grace.

[HistoryLover1550]

The scenes between Catherine Parr, Mary, and Elizabeth in "The Tudors" was loving and accurate. Would've been cool to have seen young Elizabeth's intelligence in the series too.

[HistoryLover1550]

Loved Joely Richardson's portrayal of her!

[HistoryLover1550]

My favourite of all the wives!

[arilizk]

Does anyone know where I can find David Starkey's Edward and Mary: The Unknown Tudors?

[172hannon]

Thanks for uploading all these great documentaries!

[siobhaan]

she must have been so scared to marry Henry lmao

[purplekrazy333]

good video:D

[buterflykisses1434]

Cathrine seemed like the most motherly of all the wives and the only one not in it for the glory.

But for an atractive woman who can have any man she wanted, why in the hell did she marry two sex-ego maniacs?

Henry VIII had six wives and God knows how many mistresses within the wives, and Thomas Seymour only married her for power and sexually molested Elizabeth.

[missylax]

I think by that point, Henry's obesity and injuries, and aging (he was in his 50's) meant that he really wasn't a sex maniac any longer. But Kat Parr definitely married him out of duty.

[happybkwrm]

@buterflykisses1434 I can't see her (or any woman) turning down the King. Henry tended to take things like that badly.

[carjpie]

Nice fake beard, Thomas Seymour

[starquant]

@carjpie This actor looks like a dirty wizard..aka Osama Bin Liner ...thx Borat :).

[HistoryLover1550]

@carjpie He and his brother Edward were scoundrels!

[AmethystPiscesNix]

actually catherine already knew Mary Tudor because she was one of her ladies in waiting

[Kitty273]

I think this wife got the worst of it. King Henry was batshit mad by then and covered with festering sores. Not to mention fat as all outdoors.

How she stood it is a miracle.

[ladyfire44]

I think Catherine Parr handled Henry VIII's appearance much better than his 5th wife Katherine Howard did. She was more effective as a nurse, in tending to his wound on his leg. Whereas, Kitty found him very repulsive due to his ulcerious leg and obesity.

[blackmumba111]

@Kitty273

consider "fat as all outdoors" taken for my use.

[ladyfire44]

I hope they portray Catherine Parr correctly in The Tudors. She got along with Mary well despite being different religions and considered her a younger sister rather than a step-daughter, due to their four year age difference.

[HistoryLover1550]

@ladyfire44 Joely Richardson did very well playing her.

[AWickedMind]

Even for gowns, wealth, servants, court life, castles, and queendom, you couldn't drag me down the aisle to Henry VIII. Gross.

[buterflykisses1434]

Amen to that.

[xxtctbmexx]

@AWickedMind

back then you didn't really have a choice. if he took interest in me, i'd flee to a different country lol

[ladythalia]

@xxtctbmexx How? As a single woman, you couldn't go anywhere without a male escort, and you'd probably be broke as well. Back then, women didn't have any say in economic matters, sincethey werethought too feeble-minded to govern their own money or estates. And even if you managed to escape, the king would most likely do something really nasty to your remaining relatives; like killing them, take all their properties, imprison them, torture them... Or most likely all of the above.

[xxtctbmexx]

@ladythalia

i wouldn't necessarily be broke, i mean look at katherine parr one of the reasons henry took interest in her was to actually have some of her money. She was a very rich widow after all her husbands. My comment was purely a joke. I know that henry was pretty damn psycho after reading about his reign and researching it. But then again most woman weren't all that helpless. Look at Anne Boleyn she had plenty of say in the matters of love with him. you could easily say no to him.

[ladythalia]

@xxtctbmexx Yes, but it was most likely Anne's outspoken character that got her killed. He allowed it when he was infatuated with her, but then he discarded her for a mellow and timid little wife. Even she was rebuked quite harshly when she tried to argue with him, and he reminded her of what had happened to Anne. The same was true of Catherine Parr. She came pretty close to imprisonment herself. I think that after Anne Boleyn he would never allow a woman to outsmart him and say no to him again.

[ladythalia]

@xxtctbmexx And remember, a woman's status in medieval England was like that of a child. Unmarried young girls were their father's property and he governed their inheritance if they had any. When they married, that authority was transferred to her husband. But it is true that some women espescially widows were freer. Although, the former wife might just as well be kicked off her estates to make room for a male heir from another part of her late husband's family branch.

[zulfitareen]

king henry VIII was the tyrant and the son of bitch. i would love to piss on his grave.

[67hope]

hahahahaahahahahhhahhahahahaha­hahahahahahahahaahahaahahahaha­hahahaha very funny

[NICXNTA]

HAHAH i love youtube, theres the entertaining videos and theres everyone entertaining by fighting in cmmnts,but seriously this is why i never like to discuss religon no matter where i am,you never know who youl offend

[bluekittySC]

I am very well educated thank you and my heart & soul are not troubled. I was raised as a Lutheran. My grandmother was Jewish and married a Pentacostal minister. I learned alot about religion. It was one of my Father's favorite subjects to talk about & debate. I also know alot of Catholics that feel the same way I do about the Catholic faith and the way ti was portrayed during Henry VIII's time. Again, thank you for your comment and may God bless you as well. I sincerely mean that.

[Budaphly]

for a well educated person, you really shouldn't base your opinions on a stereotype. It undermines intelligence

[bluekittySC]

Catholics are always act so righteous, always ready to push their version of religion down everyone's throats, so sure that they are pure and right and everyone else's beliefs are wrong. The arrogance shown is just astounding. The Pope believeing that he was the only 'God' on earth. The only right way is the Catholic way. Such arrogance, sadly, is still present today in many religions.

[austinmra]

You are sadly misinformed. I pray that you educate yourself and that your heart and soul will be less troubled. God Bless you.

[MrDutto]

Basically Henry couldn't keep his dick in his pants. All men would do this if they were lucky enough.

[bripat22]

I have found more arrogance among the Evangelicals and indeed great anti--Catholicism especially in the United States and England where it exists still in 2009

[NICXNTA]

is that true?

[HistoryGirl345]

There is a pattern with his wives

Catalina: Catholic

Anne Boleyn: Protestant

Jane Seymour: Catholic

Anne of Cleves: Protestant

Katherine Howard: Catholic

Catherine Parr: Protestant.

[RocktheSocks]

Catalina de Aragon: Traditional Wife

Anne Boleyn: Exotic/Exciting/intellectual

Jane Seymour: Traditional Wife

Anne of Cleves: Anulled.....he thought her too plain/ugly.

Katherine Howard: Young, fresh, exciting.

Catherine Parr: Traditional Wife/Nurse.

[RocktheSocks]

Henry consistantly flip flopped between personalities of his wives. La infanta was intelligent, but a boring traditional wife. (to Henry.) Anne Boleyn was exciting and intellectual, but unstable. Jane was plain. Anne was plain, and immediately discarded, traded for a fresher, youthly, and exciting Katherine Howard. During his marriage to Katherine, he grew tired of the exciting and became friends with Anne of Cleves, and after Katherine's death concluded with Catherine Parr, a soothing wife.

[Budaphly]

he wasnt bored of catherine (aragon). he was exhausted of the fact that she wasnt of child bearing age. he loved her once, but all the stillborns and lack of son just inclined him away from her. if she had, things would have been differently (though the infidelities would still be there)

[SashaSpy91]

Good summary :)

[HistoryGirl345]

OMG look at the beard on Thomas Seymour! He could look like a thin Santa Claus if he dyed it white.

[HistoryLover1550]

@HistoryGirl345 LOL i agree XD

[italoluder]

OMG everyone seemed to be the perfect wife for this fat ugly dude!

[alterego129]

actually, henry the VIII was considered to be the most handsome of the tudor line

[HistoryGirl345]

when he was young that changed when he was older.

[DuttyGyal718]

if that was the best back then then ewws. :-D

[Hippodameia]

Haha! I know, seriously. All his wives must have been threatened badly into marriage or have been real gold-diggers. No woman in her right mind would have married some psychotic egomaniac with stinking, pus-puking jousting wounds. Plus, the guy must have had a treasure trove of STDs. Must've been collecting them or something. :P

[Albukhshi]

well, that only applies to the last 3 wives, as henry's leg didn't go haywire till 1536.

but yeah, who would marry such a fellow in normal circumstances?

[grandwolfe]

Katherine Parr is my favorite wife of Henry VIII; she is so innocent, yet wise.

[Concetta20]

I like this Katherine.

[KwiyowoonGurl]

Norfolk noticed his pretty niece Katherine, and thought that she would attract Henry's attention. The Duke was assured that Katherine was pure, untouched, and ready for marriage with the King. Katherine, who wanted this opportunity, hid the truth from her uncle. This was risky, since many members of the Duchess's household knew about Katherine's affairs with Mannox and Derham. Katherine must have been in denial at this point, perhaps thinking that no one would dare reveal her secret.

[RocktheSocks]

Pretty much. Norfolk wanted a way to control Henry, and women had certainly worked before.....

[DuttyGyal718]

yep. 6 times the charm eh?

:-D

[babymadlen]

How can Katherine think Thomas was handsome..UGH he's sooo ugly

[luckylass456]

3 katherines, 2 annes,1 Jane

he got through em eh

[ImperialOutkast]

don't forget his mistresses.

[XxjOyRiDeRXx]

God Sir Thomas Seymore looks like he could be a member of ZZ top!

[soccergirl97979]

erm; i dont think men with long beards are attractive. soo Thomas Seymour's not attractive

[darksaphire919]

seriously i hate men with beards who knows whats living in there or left over food

[lasiab]

He started with a katherine and ended with a Katherine. And had 2 anne's

[audie83]

Yes-kind of ironic. :)

[soccergirl97979]

and a Jane in the middle of it all!

[gpatronsassi]

I thank you for posting the documentaries of David Starkey - they're very interesting and well done! Thanks for taking the time of sharing them with the rest of us!

[HistoryLover1550]

@gpatronsassi His Elizabeth one plus Monarchy were both cool too!

[gpatronsassi]

I thank you for posting the documentaries of David Starkey - they're very interesting and well done! Thanks for taking the time of sharing them with the rest of us!

[scarletdove]

Wait that little girl elizabeths who was she henry's or her step child?

[littlemisssunnydale]

Elizabeth was Henry VIII's daughter by his second wife Anne Boleyn. She would become Queen Elizabeth I in 1558. Katherine Parr was therefore her stepmother.

[LadyLisa513]

I sent a comment about Anne of Cleves, if you had the seond half and how i would like to see it, i did not realize the at the time i was on under my son's name sorry about that.

[anniepunk666]

OK??? are you ok?

[heartofsnow23]

darling, save that sort of talk for seedy David starky fan chat rooms...its not that appropriate here, in fact, makes me feel a little bit sick..

[soccergirl97979]

ur disgusting go b horny somewhere else

[slamanda01212]

Get a sense of humor would you!

[soccergirl97979]

thats not humor if u call that humor then something is wrong with u. go get some help and do us all a favor SHUT UP

[AndromedaMariaCarmen]

you're sick