We have a Bosch dishwasher that uses 8-10 litres per cycle, which I can't be bothered with American measurements but I'm guessing it's about 2-3 gallons. Many technophobes insist to me that having a dishwasher is wasteful and refuse to believe the efficiency comparisons. I really hate washing the dishes, but for people who enjoy it and do so efficiently that's fine - I don't mind people who prefer lighting by candles or posting letters instead of emails...
with 2.8% of the worlds fresh water left and no signs of solar water desalinization
on a big enough scale people who leave the water running while they are doing dishes by hand are INSANE!!! Here's what I do I get a scrubby pad, wet it ,put a pin head amount of soap, wet the dish,scrub it and run the water very slowly to rinse each dish.
no filling up any thing and when it comes to silverware I pick up what I am going to rinse and then turn the water on, it's too easy to forget and leave it on.
Hi Paul. I love your videos. I use my dishwasher because I can go a whole week and only put the dishwasher on once. In my case packing the dishwasher tightly and putting it on once a week saves me water.
My low-end EnergyStar rated dishwasher uses about 5 gallons and requires no pre-rinsing. Only washing full loads helps. With small loads, hand washing is the way to go.
i like washing my dishes by hand. I get them really clean. I like using the dishwasher during the holidays when there is alot of dishes i use it half and half. Then i the dishwasher is going i mop the floors and take out the trash and clean the surfaces off that way by the time the dishwasher is finished the kitchen is spotless during end of one of our holiday meals.
i wash without a dishwash but my dishes dont get that super clean no residue the get from using a dishwasher, but I have a feeling this is due to the dishwasher machine detergent no streak chemicals or something.
I like washing dishes by hand, washer machine has trouble getting all dishes clean when full and has a hard time getting sticky bits of food. Also i wash with hot water so it dries almost instantly after placing it on counter to finish drying or stacking. Dish washer leaves water mineral resedue or dried vapor on my cups bottoms.
excuse me if those european dishwasher use from 4-5 gallons on its intensive cycle on just a rine 1 gallon is used so if you rinsed a whole days worth of dishes that would come out to about 7 gallons cause 1 gallon cannot rinse little dusty dishes. And also if your to dumb to realize that there are energy efficent, quiet, reliable, and very good cleaning dishwasher out there, mostly european so i reccommend a bosch or if u have a deeper pocket A MIELE mieles are great
U r stupid... at least my dishwasher cleans with 4 gallons of water and by hand you use about 15-20 gallons. Sure dishwashers can't clean as goood as by hand but... they sanitize them which is very hard for us to do and if we did sanitize it would take a lot of energy and elbow grease, dishwashers in europe are far better than american made. LG sux GE sux Kenmore Sux....... but Blomberg rox Bosch rox Miele rox and they are all efficent and reliable
I don't like using the dishwasher and everyone thinks I'm crazy. Two weeks ago I figured out how to get that awful dish drainer off my counter, by using the dishwasher as a dish drainer!
So cool to see someone else doing this! And I love how you do dishes! I can probably cut my gas bill back by doing it this way too.
@gracewriter if your having a party for christmas and new years, and people see your glass cups they will be scratched and soo streaky it will look unclean, dishwashers dont do that, most leave em soo clean the cups look like diamonds
Gross. I will never ever wash dishes by hand. It never does a good job. For those of you who complain that dishwashers don't wash dishes well. All you have to is get a 2 dollar brush, and just brush the chunks of shit off and put it in the dish washer. Then you don't have dishes sitting in the sink all gross.
Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
@bluevviolet if you have a good budget then think of getting a bosch or miele, they clean extremely well, THEY SANITIZE dishes, your sink is smaller than the dishwasher about 5x smaller almost all dishwashers today are useed wit stainless stell interiors and exteriors, no plastic
We've resisted getting a dishwasher at our farm despite the fact that we have LOTS of people (students, farm interns, friends) at most every meal. We find that doing dishes together is one of the most intimate times for conversation. We all help wash - dry - put away the dishes and talk, talk, talk. Washing by hand works for us.
@33jester3 same with us but it became a pain when we dropped plates into the sink and cups, and they either crack or break, cups gets scratched in the sink and streaky no matter how fast and good you dry them so we just got a dishwasher that sanitizes, you know you can talk while loading the dishwasher
Good video. My dishwasher sucks. I'm going to try this.
Any ideas on what kitchen setup would be most conducive to efficient methods? We have four people, three of whom cook independent meals. (The fourth one just eats boxed food.) A gigantic tub, perhaps? Selling the dishwasher for a nicer sprayer and some fancy kitchen tools, instead?
@paulwheaton12: I believe I covered that ;) our sink isn't any bigger than yours. it would be something like your 1:42 to complete it, but in hours and minutes instead of the sub-two minute time yours implies (not considering the slow film speed).
crap!!!! my machine holds 14 place settings thats like over a hundred items, uses 10 liters of water, first its a storage cubord for dirty dishes, second it washes hotter than a hand cand stand so is far more effective at killing germs, third it washes more for less amount of water, we even put the cooker rings in, so yer i think dishwashers win
Two days ago, my life was riddled with folks insisting that any dishwasher used less water than washing dishes by hand and, to them, it was absolute fact that would never change.
And now, while there are folks that have other reasons why they use one or the other, nobody is making this goofy claim.
@paulwheaton12 You're actually wrong - our energy efficient dishwasher uses 13 litres, which equates to about 3 gallons, but will wash an entire days worth of dishes, if not more. I'd like to see you try washing 12 place settings worth of dishes with just one gallon of water.
@jps1988 On the forums at permies one person has pointed out something similar. So I guess that there are energy efficient dishwashers that use only 9 gallons and there are energy efficient dishwashers that use even less.
The purpose of the video (and I am shocked at how popular it has become) is to demonstrate one technique of washing dishes by hand that uses about a gallon of water, and the statement that dishwashers use less water is no longer an absolute.
@paulwheaton12 Fair enough, but 9 gallons is approx 35 litres of water - and at least here in the UK, only dishwashers 25-30 years plus would use that much, water consumption for dishwashers sold on our market has been diminishing from 25 litres (6 gals) in the early 90s, through to about 15 (4g) in the early 00s, with modern models now using 9-10(2.5g), some as little as 7 litres (1.8g). My only thoughts can be that European dishwashers are far more efficient :-)
The "labor saver" says: Because it takes up less of my time to have a machine do necessary labor, it is 'better' for me (and by inference, all of mankind) to use machines if you want a better life... and by further inference, a perfectly rational approach to staying alive and being 'well'.
The "labor loving argument": Only a body in motion is a living one, use it or lose it. Besides, how in heavens name can you actually "save time". That's akin to shoveling darkness outside to get more light!
My mother bought me a dishwasher and I use it as a storage space. My hands can wash better than any machine and even if I am doing a lot of canning I have a hard time filling the dishwasher up. So I would be constantly doing only a half load. It's not worth it to me. I use it twice a year when my mother comes to visit so she thinks I'm still part of the modern age.
I'm all for saving water, but I think a dishwasher could wash at least 4 times that many dishes as you have washed there. At least that's the impression I got from that video. Nevermind less effort and better washing...
@tiberiuichim I filled the dishwasher more than half full.
As for better washing - I think washing by hand is far better because it is my experience that many dishes come out of the dishwasher with stuff on them. And that is not clean by my definition. Of course, I've seen people effectively wash dishes before putting them into the washer - that seems like more work.
I'm with you on that topic all the way. By the way It took me some time to read all from richsoil d0t c0m and although I utilize some of that discipline I found it very informative. Thank you on tips eggs on skillet, now I can use mine without sticky fear.
@nedeljkomostar did you see I have a video of that around here somewhere? I tried to make a video showing how to clean cast iron when it has a whole bunch of stuff super glued to it - but the lighting wasn't good enough.
@fatpius I once saw a book that was labeled something like "porn for women" featuring men doing housecleaning. So ,,, in a way ... I guess this now makes me a porn star! :)
Yeah, I agree with you but, when you have a family with 3 kids, trust me, with how many dishes I do it save water. My kenmore only
Uses 2.6 gallons per load, but it has HE filtration.
TheDinoscientist 4 days ago
We have a Bosch dishwasher that uses 8-10 litres per cycle, which I can't be bothered with American measurements but I'm guessing it's about 2-3 gallons. Many technophobes insist to me that having a dishwasher is wasteful and refuse to believe the efficiency comparisons. I really hate washing the dishes, but for people who enjoy it and do so efficiently that's fine - I don't mind people who prefer lighting by candles or posting letters instead of emails...
ablet404 1 month ago
with 2.8% of the worlds fresh water left and no signs of solar water desalinization
on a big enough scale people who leave the water running while they are doing dishes by hand are INSANE!!! Here's what I do I get a scrubby pad, wet it ,put a pin head amount of soap, wet the dish,scrub it and run the water very slowly to rinse each dish.
no filling up any thing and when it comes to silverware I pick up what I am going to rinse and then turn the water on, it's too easy to forget and leave it on.
sk1972 2 months ago
Hi Paul. I love your videos. I use my dishwasher because I can go a whole week and only put the dishwasher on once. In my case packing the dishwasher tightly and putting it on once a week saves me water.
Hamish121212 2 months ago
It's not about saving water. It's about not having to do the dishes manually and spending an extra hour cleaning up the kitchen.
SpazChat 3 months ago
My low-end EnergyStar rated dishwasher uses about 5 gallons and requires no pre-rinsing. Only washing full loads helps. With small loads, hand washing is the way to go.
tooledriver 3 months ago
Even if I use my dishwasher, I wash them first so why not take the extra step and rinse them....I hate my dishwasher
0435lilah 4 months ago
i like washing my dishes by hand. I get them really clean. I like using the dishwasher during the holidays when there is alot of dishes i use it half and half. Then i the dishwasher is going i mop the floors and take out the trash and clean the surfaces off that way by the time the dishwasher is finished the kitchen is spotless during end of one of our holiday meals.
zone1282 4 months ago
i wash without a dishwash but my dishes dont get that super clean no residue the get from using a dishwasher, but I have a feeling this is due to the dishwasher machine detergent no streak chemicals or something.
dtp5150 5 months ago
My maid uses my dishwasher and my dishes are always clean. Screw doing dishes by hand.
001looker 5 months ago
@001looker how much do u pay ur maid? per month or per week?
kblp 4 months ago
@kblp $120 per week, 1x a week, 3k sqft house.
001looker 4 months ago
How come my mom washes the dishes in 30 minutes, while I take an hour and a bit more to wash exactly the same amount of the dishes!?
leeardamer 5 months ago
Nice paul. You're right on!!! I love your article about the CFL bulbs over at richsoil.com.
pac3lli 7 months ago
Мыть грязную посуду грязной водой? Очень интеллектуально.
antonmmf 7 months ago
My mother has been preaching this for years.
edgarduck 7 months ago
And you didn't use any electricity, except perhaps some for heating water!
SimplyIncredulous 8 months ago
BUT a Dishwasher sanitizes your dishes and dries them quicker.
WFK2831 9 months ago
OMG you just proved my point.
I told my husband this years ago when I tossed the dish washer (so to speak).
I wash dishes just like you do.
I love it! I no longer feel a lone.
frugalnanny 9 months ago
I like washing dishes by hand, washer machine has trouble getting all dishes clean when full and has a hard time getting sticky bits of food. Also i wash with hot water so it dries almost instantly after placing it on counter to finish drying or stacking. Dish washer leaves water mineral resedue or dried vapor on my cups bottoms.
Divinoamor 9 months ago
excuse me if those european dishwasher use from 4-5 gallons on its intensive cycle on just a rine 1 gallon is used so if you rinsed a whole days worth of dishes that would come out to about 7 gallons cause 1 gallon cannot rinse little dusty dishes. And also if your to dumb to realize that there are energy efficent, quiet, reliable, and very good cleaning dishwasher out there, mostly european so i reccommend a bosch or if u have a deeper pocket A MIELE mieles are great
buffyfoo 1 year ago
Why would i wash dishes by hand when i have machine that can do it for me. I do not give a crap how much water it uses as i am anti-environmentalist.
ylen13 1 year ago
@ylen13 same with me i couldn't care less of how much oil spilt into the gulf of mexico or how much smoke is comin outta factories
buffyfoo 1 year ago
U r stupid... at least my dishwasher cleans with 4 gallons of water and by hand you use about 15-20 gallons. Sure dishwashers can't clean as goood as by hand but... they sanitize them which is very hard for us to do and if we did sanitize it would take a lot of energy and elbow grease, dishwashers in europe are far better than american made. LG sux GE sux Kenmore Sux....... but Blomberg rox Bosch rox Miele rox and they are all efficent and reliable
buffyfoo 1 year ago
I don't like using the dishwasher and everyone thinks I'm crazy. Two weeks ago I figured out how to get that awful dish drainer off my counter, by using the dishwasher as a dish drainer!
So cool to see someone else doing this! And I love how you do dishes! I can probably cut my gas bill back by doing it this way too.
Thanks for the video!!!
gracewriter 1 year ago
@gracewriter if your having a party for christmas and new years, and people see your glass cups they will be scratched and soo streaky it will look unclean, dishwashers dont do that, most leave em soo clean the cups look like diamonds
buffyfoo 1 year ago
Gross. I will never ever wash dishes by hand. It never does a good job. For those of you who complain that dishwashers don't wash dishes well. All you have to is get a 2 dollar brush, and just brush the chunks of shit off and put it in the dish washer. Then you don't have dishes sitting in the sink all gross.
bwillie007 1 year ago
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Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
bluevviolet 1 year ago
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Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
bluevviolet 1 year ago
Some dishwashers are actually under 2 gallons per cycle, but there are still good reasons to wash by hand. 1. dishwashers are expensive and are made with plastics. 2. Electricity is required to run the machine. 3. Some items must be soaked or are too big to fit in the dishwasher; more efficient to use the same water for the rest of the dishes instead of additional for a dishwasher load. 4. You don't ever have to worry about spots or film. 5. Dish-washing can be a nice zen activity. :)
bluevviolet 1 year ago 5
@bluevviolet if you have a good budget then think of getting a bosch or miele, they clean extremely well, THEY SANITIZE dishes, your sink is smaller than the dishwasher about 5x smaller almost all dishwashers today are useed wit stainless stell interiors and exteriors, no plastic
buffyfoo 1 year ago
this is interesting and prolly pertinent: watch?v=xP4w2DMscGw&playnext_from=TL&videos=xMvM3sE-A_Q
Axbent 1 year ago
We've resisted getting a dishwasher at our farm despite the fact that we have LOTS of people (students, farm interns, friends) at most every meal. We find that doing dishes together is one of the most intimate times for conversation. We all help wash - dry - put away the dishes and talk, talk, talk. Washing by hand works for us.
33jester3 1 year ago
@33jester3 same with us but it became a pain when we dropped plates into the sink and cups, and they either crack or break, cups gets scratched in the sink and streaky no matter how fast and good you dry them so we just got a dishwasher that sanitizes, you know you can talk while loading the dishwasher
buffyfoo 1 year ago
Good video. My dishwasher sucks. I'm going to try this.
Any ideas on what kitchen setup would be most conducive to efficient methods? We have four people, three of whom cook independent meals. (The fourth one just eats boxed food.) A gigantic tub, perhaps? Selling the dishwasher for a nicer sprayer and some fancy kitchen tools, instead?
physivic 1 year ago
@physivic Why not do just as I did in the video? Use your existing sink and use your dishwasher as a drying rack. You don't have to buy anything.
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12: I believe I covered that ;) our sink isn't any bigger than yours. it would be something like your 1:42 to complete it, but in hours and minutes instead of the sub-two minute time yours implies (not considering the slow film speed).
physivic 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12 WHAT!!! YOU DONT LIKE DISHWASHER :OOOOO
I cant believe
bogdannb 6 days ago
Great video, Paul. I have been wanting to make this for a long time. Thanks for putting this together.
_S
srkredliner 1 year ago
crap!!!! my machine holds 14 place settings thats like over a hundred items, uses 10 liters of water, first its a storage cubord for dirty dishes, second it washes hotter than a hand cand stand so is far more effective at killing germs, third it washes more for less amount of water, we even put the cooker rings in, so yer i think dishwashers win
squirrel6158 1 year ago
I feel like I have accomplished something.
Two days ago, my life was riddled with folks insisting that any dishwasher used less water than washing dishes by hand and, to them, it was absolute fact that would never change.
And now, while there are folks that have other reasons why they use one or the other, nobody is making this goofy claim.
Progress!
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12 You're actually wrong - our energy efficient dishwasher uses 13 litres, which equates to about 3 gallons, but will wash an entire days worth of dishes, if not more. I'd like to see you try washing 12 place settings worth of dishes with just one gallon of water.
jps1988 1 year ago 4
@jps1988 On the forums at permies one person has pointed out something similar. So I guess that there are energy efficient dishwashers that use only 9 gallons and there are energy efficient dishwashers that use even less.
The purpose of the video (and I am shocked at how popular it has become) is to demonstrate one technique of washing dishes by hand that uses about a gallon of water, and the statement that dishwashers use less water is no longer an absolute.
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12 Fair enough, but 9 gallons is approx 35 litres of water - and at least here in the UK, only dishwashers 25-30 years plus would use that much, water consumption for dishwashers sold on our market has been diminishing from 25 litres (6 gals) in the early 90s, through to about 15 (4g) in the early 00s, with modern models now using 9-10(2.5g), some as little as 7 litres (1.8g). My only thoughts can be that European dishwashers are far more efficient :-)
jps1988 1 year ago
But how much time does it cost you?
starrychloe 1 year ago
GET OUT MORE!
ghreed1 1 year ago
The "labor saver" says: Because it takes up less of my time to have a machine do necessary labor, it is 'better' for me (and by inference, all of mankind) to use machines if you want a better life... and by further inference, a perfectly rational approach to staying alive and being 'well'.
The "labor loving argument": Only a body in motion is a living one, use it or lose it. Besides, how in heavens name can you actually "save time". That's akin to shoveling darkness outside to get more light!
mrhobbit007 1 year ago
brilliant!
WorldStove 1 year ago
My mother bought me a dishwasher and I use it as a storage space. My hands can wash better than any machine and even if I am doing a lot of canning I have a hard time filling the dishwasher up. So I would be constantly doing only a half load. It's not worth it to me. I use it twice a year when my mother comes to visit so she thinks I'm still part of the modern age.
woodswoman783 1 year ago
somehow i seem to have accidentally removed a comment. Sorry - I didn't mean to. I wish there was an "undo"
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
I'm all for saving water, but I think a dishwasher could wash at least 4 times that many dishes as you have washed there. At least that's the impression I got from that video. Nevermind less effort and better washing...
tiberiuichim 1 year ago
@tiberiuichim I filled the dishwasher more than half full.
As for better washing - I think washing by hand is far better because it is my experience that many dishes come out of the dishwasher with stuff on them. And that is not clean by my definition. Of course, I've seen people effectively wash dishes before putting them into the washer - that seems like more work.
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
I'm with you on that topic all the way. By the way It took me some time to read all from richsoil d0t c0m and although I utilize some of that discipline I found it very informative. Thank you on tips eggs on skillet, now I can use mine without sticky fear.
Thank you again for sharing all this with us.
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nedeljkomostar 1 year ago
@nedeljkomostar did you see I have a video of that around here somewhere? I tried to make a video showing how to clean cast iron when it has a whole bunch of stuff super glued to it - but the lighting wasn't good enough.
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
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bminorseven 1 year ago
on my way to permies.
always nice to see a man washing dishes;-)
fatpius 1 year ago
@fatpius I once saw a book that was labeled something like "porn for women" featuring men doing housecleaning. So ,,, in a way ... I guess this now makes me a porn star! :)
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12 LOL!! I think you're on to something;-)
fatpius 1 year ago