Krensharpaw thinks he hears bagpipes

[StutteringDave]

I always thought about going around and saying "I'm an atheist, but I believe in God", and accusing other atheists of the no true Scotsman fallacy when they criticize me.

[Krensharpaw]

StutteringDave, well that's not the fallacy though.

I think uk has misunderstood me, but i will be pointing that out in my vid to him.

[Krensharpaw]

I guess I am goin to have to make a video showing how you have. I put the definition down for it and you did it, how else can I say you did it, where you will understand the meaning of words?

[Epydemic2020]

simply put and articulated well.

[MrBoyuki]

So, to confirm, you say that people have the right to say which denominations are true and which are not? This is clearly a corollary of the NTS? i.e. picking which denoms agree with you and disregarding the rest?

[MrBoyuki]

Ah, the CU, don't get me started on that. You speak of 'true Christian churches'... I honestly believe no one has the right to make a decision on whether a church is 'true' or not.

[ukchristian28]

I disagree for the reasons stated in the video:).

[Krensharpaw]

ukchristian28, I will be making a video to this one, I watched it and I think you don't understand that you did the fallcy here and in the comments area.

You say that they are not "true" christains, and if you look at what I put on your channel, you would see you did it, sry uk, you pwned yourself again.

[ukchristian28]

I deleted your question by mistake. I do apologise. Someone commits the NTS fallacy if they state someone is not what they claim based on something that has nothing to do with the criteria for deciding that. If someone says "that lady can't be a Christian because she wears jeans, and no Christian lady would ever do that", then that person would be guilty of committing the fallacy.

[aaronk1994]

Krensharpawm just got pwned :)

[Krensharpaw]

aaron, you don't even know what the fallcy, is, so how would you even know who pwned themelves?

[MrBoyuki]

There is one flaw in your logic here, however. The criterion that one is a Scotsman may be independently verified (by tracing your genealogy or looking at your birth certificate). This cannot be true of one who is asserting to be a Christian, due to the myriad denominations. If they claim to belong to a denomination that, for example, does not believe in a doctrine that your denomination does, this makes him no less of a Christian.

[ukchristian28]

I would say that it depends upon which doctrines he disagrees with. There are key doctrines which define the faith, and those myriad denominations you speak of would still hold to them, thus making those churches true Christian churches. That's why I was able to attend the Christian union at university and fellowship with evangelical Christians from load of different denominations. We disagreed on secondary doctrines like baptism for example, but were united on the core doctrines.

[Krensharpaw]

uk, you just said that would make them, "True christain", churches, I will be making a video about this, because you did do the no true scottsman fallcy, because by what the defination says, you did it.

[JesusIzGod777]

Just because he asserts that he belongs to a certain denomination, whether or not he belongs to my denomination doesn't make him more of a christian either. You missed his point. He wasn't arguing about someone that belongs to a different denomination doesn't make him a christian. He was saying just because someone asserts something doesn't make it true. If I profess to be an atheist and yet believe in a God then does that make me an atheist just because I say so. That is illogical.

[MrBoyuki]

Why does anyone care what this person says? If he says he's a Christian (but doesn't believe in the resurrection, for example) he's going to get found out on Judgement Day.

[JesusIzGod777]

I don't know if i misunderstood your comment but it sounds like your saying exactly what UK is saying. That a person can say one thing yet not be what he says he is. At least that is what im getting out of when you say "he's going to get found out on judgement day". God is omniscient Psalms 139: 2-6 (all knowing) and nothing escapes him. It doesn't seem that hard of a concept to fathom that someone can say one thing and yet be another. It seems to me that we deal with people like that everyday.