Se guardate l'intervista a casa Horowitz, dietro di lui che suona, ci sono appese alla parete delle foto: Toscanini, Rachmaninov e Paderewski! Secondo voi, il padrone di casa, forse il più grande pianista del XX° secolo, perchè le mise dietro la sue spalle a casa sua, mentre suonava?
Padereski è stato un eroe: primo ministro polacco, e grande ianista polacco! Lìeroicità è uno status assoluto. nessuna parola lo può definire. solo l'orecchio lo può!
@mikejr41387 all musicians classical or otherwise are somewhat shaped and influenced by their era. Standards do change over time and I'm glad there's nothing wrong with that. What I have a problem with are modernists who seem to assume that they're better than the genius composers of the music they're performing. Unless one is a Rachmaninoff who happens to be an illustrious composer as well, a pianist is simply a performer attempting to echo an idea which may not exist perfectly anymore.
@cuteshox it is known in music history that Chopin once Berated Liszt for playing chopin's final movement of Sonata 3 with the left hand final theme entrance done in more chordal style -.
chpin seemed to have felt it lost the "rushing", fluid feeling in the left hand..where liszt must have rearranged to give a "bigger" sound. BUT THEN chopin ALSO was reported to have greatly admired Tausig's renditions for being far louder and stronger - saying "he can poke a hole through the wood" expressing admiration that way.
having worked with composers myself who asked me to perform their works -- my experience has been that the majority were ALWAYS happy to have a performer "interpret" in ways that may be different than theirs , even as they would demonstrate it. even if they are the creators -- composers are also human and recognize that a person is different and views their "works" differently.
@mikejr41387 I agree that in general - a great majority -- this would be considered "affected" - but ITS beauty is that to someone that might NOT be "steeped" in the "correct ways" and here's it only for the first time - the great complexities of chopin's harmonic relations are shown to a listener with FAR MORE CLARITY than the "smooth", "fluid" performances .
Paderewski is playing in a way that SHOWS the most "unlearned" just how the complexities arrive and leave from each other. he shows how the details come together. for that - this "affected playing" has its great beauty. I am far from saying this is "playing for the uninitiated or idiots" . far from it - I know these works intimately and have played them -
paderewski's MUSICAL intent of showing WHAT the music is MADE OF...its internal structures and relationships and his expression "affected playing" as some will say -- is actually a reflection of SHOWING that internal structure..why some notes are "climactic" or pauses, or "approaches" and "arrivals" at some harmonic pillar in the piece, etc..
he gives the EAR TIME to assimilate them and appreciate them for what they are...unlike what "smoother" playing might achieve which often just "rushes by" as if nothing happened of any importance at all.
I would much prefer his "affected playing" than some "smooth" style so common nowadays that says -- well, nothing of real import...hiding behind the modern dictum of "let the music speak for itself" but really because the performers have NOTHING of their own to say about the music...instead -- they just show how "well" they can "play" without batting an eyelash at its difficulties...and so - they touch the senses but NOT the heart..
many play such big works ( relative to chopin's works ) as if they are "small pieces" soon over without leaving a trace of their existence as yet another "brilliant performance"...but paderewski's leaves a feeling of WHY this or that harmony is so important , or so "revolutionary" as chopin created it...or why a motive is so important because it becomes this or that passage or section...
You're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed it--probably my personal favorite at the moment. It's true that few players are repaired and adjusted properly to give a true playback of the artist's performance.
Great document of Paderewski's playing! It seems like these old instruments are difficult to keep in tune though.
wotanskids 1 month ago
Thanks for uploading this.
gerardbedecarter 8 months ago
Se guardate l'intervista a casa Horowitz, dietro di lui che suona, ci sono appese alla parete delle foto: Toscanini, Rachmaninov e Paderewski! Secondo voi, il padrone di casa, forse il più grande pianista del XX° secolo, perchè le mise dietro la sue spalle a casa sua, mentre suonava?
Padereski è stato un eroe: primo ministro polacco, e grande ianista polacco! Lìeroicità è uno status assoluto. nessuna parola lo può definire. solo l'orecchio lo può!
superartur99 1 year ago
wonderful, even for a roll..
New4785689 1 year ago
affected playing like this would be ridiculed in any conservatory today, its interesting how standards change over time...
mikejr41387 1 year ago
@mikejr41387 all musicians classical or otherwise are somewhat shaped and influenced by their era. Standards do change over time and I'm glad there's nothing wrong with that. What I have a problem with are modernists who seem to assume that they're better than the genius composers of the music they're performing. Unless one is a Rachmaninoff who happens to be an illustrious composer as well, a pianist is simply a performer attempting to echo an idea which may not exist perfectly anymore.
cuteshox 1 year ago
@cuteshox it is known in music history that Chopin once Berated Liszt for playing chopin's final movement of Sonata 3 with the left hand final theme entrance done in more chordal style -.
tedly10027 4 months ago
chpin seemed to have felt it lost the "rushing", fluid feeling in the left hand..where liszt must have rearranged to give a "bigger" sound. BUT THEN chopin ALSO was reported to have greatly admired Tausig's renditions for being far louder and stronger - saying "he can poke a hole through the wood" expressing admiration that way.
tedly10027 4 months ago
having worked with composers myself who asked me to perform their works -- my experience has been that the majority were ALWAYS happy to have a performer "interpret" in ways that may be different than theirs , even as they would demonstrate it. even if they are the creators -- composers are also human and recognize that a person is different and views their "works" differently.
tedly10027 4 months ago
@mikejr41387 I agree that in general - a great majority -- this would be considered "affected" - but ITS beauty is that to someone that might NOT be "steeped" in the "correct ways" and here's it only for the first time - the great complexities of chopin's harmonic relations are shown to a listener with FAR MORE CLARITY than the "smooth", "fluid" performances .
tedly10027 4 months ago
Paderewski is playing in a way that SHOWS the most "unlearned" just how the complexities arrive and leave from each other. he shows how the details come together. for that - this "affected playing" has its great beauty. I am far from saying this is "playing for the uninitiated or idiots" . far from it - I know these works intimately and have played them -
tedly10027 4 months ago
paderewski's MUSICAL intent of showing WHAT the music is MADE OF...its internal structures and relationships and his expression "affected playing" as some will say -- is actually a reflection of SHOWING that internal structure..why some notes are "climactic" or pauses, or "approaches" and "arrivals" at some harmonic pillar in the piece, etc..
tedly10027 4 months ago
he gives the EAR TIME to assimilate them and appreciate them for what they are...unlike what "smoother" playing might achieve which often just "rushes by" as if nothing happened of any importance at all.
tedly10027 4 months ago
I would much prefer his "affected playing" than some "smooth" style so common nowadays that says -- well, nothing of real import...hiding behind the modern dictum of "let the music speak for itself" but really because the performers have NOTHING of their own to say about the music...instead -- they just show how "well" they can "play" without batting an eyelash at its difficulties...and so - they touch the senses but NOT the heart..
tedly10027 4 months ago
many play such big works ( relative to chopin's works ) as if they are "small pieces" soon over without leaving a trace of their existence as yet another "brilliant performance"...but paderewski's leaves a feeling of WHY this or that harmony is so important , or so "revolutionary" as chopin created it...or why a motive is so important because it becomes this or that passage or section...
tedly10027 4 months ago
Oh no.Not only is it a roll but it is Paderewsky .Oh boy.Well it can't be worse than DEPACHMANN ! can it ? Yes ,the tempo is the first annoyance.
lovesGenet 1 year ago
His playing is something special .
I cannot imagine that I play this piece soon too :)
dzeljpiano 1 year ago
One of the few piano roll recordings I have enjoyed. Thanks for posting.
RabidCh 2 years ago
You're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed it--probably my personal favorite at the moment. It's true that few players are repaired and adjusted properly to give a true playback of the artist's performance.
bartolomochristofari 2 years ago