Subaru Forester in snow, get two wheels off the ground

[Infamouslyminded]

LSD isnt going to help anyway if you have two wheels with no traction, a major amount of torque escapes through wheels with no traction and doesnt leave the other two with enough traction to push the car out, happened to me this winter in deep mud ruts and snow

[warfl4g]

so, when you're in this situation, your choice of actions are to... give it more gas? :| redneck solution

[SPS148669]

He;s singing the open diffy blues!

[Zachard]

So in situation like this you have 3 options:

1) Apply extra light breaking manually (along with throttle) to slow down the 100% free spining wheel so the other will get some torgue and start moving

2) VDC will do the same job (new models)

3) Install a rear LSD with locking ability (Viscous, clutch or with other locker mechanism - type diff)

[Zachard]

TO ALL PEOPLE THAT WONDER WHATS WRONG:

Nothing is wrong with this AWD system. There is a difference between an LSD diff (like the rear) and an LSD with locking ability (like the center).

Most preferable rear LSD diff is a TORSEN type one (TORque SENsitive). These diffs are acting like open when 1 wheel is in air (free spining = 0 torgue).

[Slurfs]

AWD is NOT 4WD. However Subaru Forester is one of the more reliable and capable AWD's around even if it sucks in some situations like this. As another guy pointed out he should jerk the handbrake (mean to the center diff but will increase the chances of getting out of this mess).

[pastormikeb68]

In Amerika we call these guys IDIOT!!

[ujayyy]

@thenixter97 not necessarily, as we like it free-style =)

[R1Wagon]

PULL THE HAND BRAKE!! Or just apply slowly the brakes with the left foot

In situation like this it helps regain traction of the right wheel... but dont hold it too long ;)

[miniimoto95]

need to go quattro style.. locking center diff

[l337pwnage]

limited slips are, well, limited. Spinning it like that that only wears it out faster. Once it is wore out, it is basically an open differential.

Brake modulation can help a lot, and in the case of a rear LSD and a rear parking brake, applying the parking brake can lock up the differential.

Gotta take it easy on the throttle, tho, or it won't work.

[slapoutz]

i though subarus were awd? at least the sti does thats what i want.

[daytonite122]

This is the first Subaru i've seen in my lifetime that is not AWD.

[gcidgvjkfbhvfjzkgbj]

Subaru's four-wheel-drive formats have four types.

Forrester also in the same center with LSD MT, and type center differential to automatically control, without a center differential, there are torque split type models.

This car is the torque split type grades.

If looking for an off-road than LSD center was equipped with the MT or AT is equipped with a center differential to control and achieve a grade of choice.

[firstclassmaleuk]

The diff might be limited slip but a locking diff would be of more help in the snow. I too have a Forester, sometimes they will get stuck but a lot less than other so called 4x4. On ice they excell as one of the vids here explains due to the symetrical gearbox layout.

[manauto2]

у меня друг продал такой форестер. Там что то в коробке случилось и распределения не было. Один мост только тащил. А в ролике машина стоит практически на ровном месте. Мой бы вызез и не чихнул да же. За машиной следить надо.

[qxbutch]

да, повесь форика диагонально - и не выедешь. Распределение между осей в момент на ролике 50/50 (крутится и передняя и задняя ось с одинаковым моментов), но проблема что нету (или не работает должным образом) задний межколесный дифференциал.

[qxbutch]

В результате весь момент ушел на переднее правое и заднее левое колесо.

Если бы была система , которая притормозила одно из висящих колес - то момент бы передался на стоящее колесо и выехал бы.

Старые форики не выезжают

[slavin321]

S type forester doesnt have Limited Slip Rear Diff(LSD), basically you have open Diff, that's why your wheels spin.

I have 2003 forester xs, with Rear LSD, this will never happend

[qxbutch]

You are not right

2001 S Forester adds over L model:

limited slip rear differential (package not available on L model)

[Sethjxl]

@qxbutch Can you tell me if the 2004 2.5X is LSD? Would be good to know rather than swapping the dif over and wasting my money.

[andycr2048]

@qxbutch It was actually added in the 2000 S model (I have it).

[hites05]

That's called high-centering, and no vehicle can get out of that.

[jgizzy]

You can if you start a side-to-side sway with the car that will effectively break down the high-centering enough to give the tires enough pressure on the ground to give good traction. 24 years in Minnesota winters and you tend to learn those tricks.

[Zlaja16]

apply brakes gently to trick the diffs

[stalkerpro1]

у вас что-то поломалось!

[Merkus08]

Хуйня, автор снимает антирекламу Леснику. Хотя на самом деле Форестер вылезет откуда угодно.

[n3lee]

If you have a Limited Slip differential, the letters LSD should be clearly visible on the foil sitcker atop the rear differential. Further information on this subject can be found via Google -- however, I've had great luck getting un-stuck in my Open-Diff '94 Legacy "L" (base model) by applying either the hand-brake or using the hand and service brakes while accelerating.

It should also be noted that most '00+ Subaru LSD's are viscious type.

[bies667]

kierowca bez umiejętności i polotu intelektualnego...

[dgezta]

we can get more fun with Scoob`s..system...omg(L.I.A.F)­

[sampwell819]

this is the legendary awd from subaru???

[Strogac]

agree..the legendary AWD from subaru lol...!

[ShelbyMustang456789]

Normaly they have LSD Diffs (Limited slip differrential), so i think the fori in he vid. hasnt LSD Diffs, becaus normaly a forester will never stuck in this terrain (we drive a 06 Fori)

[inuyasha555]

The forster is the weaker link of the subaru awd family. mainly becasue it doesnt have craction control like the outback models do. It has a great awd system but once the front passenger and rear driver side wheels go off the ground it's powerless but still better than other awd systems most other awd systems wil barely get the car go with a wheel slipping. Try pulling this stunt with a Subaru Outback

[akpch]

This is Forester X, it has no rear LSD, just regular differential. XS and XT, auto or manual has LSD on the back. My wife has XS, I was not able to get stuck in sand or snow.

[qxbutch]

You are right about X and XS Foresters, but...

This is Forester S 2001MY. So it has LSD according to specification.

Forester S 2001MY has LSD

Forester L 2001MY does not.

Seems the problem is that LSD does not help in such offroad situations when two wheels completely do not have contact with the ground.

[quattro4kss]

I did that with my 2002 impreza. They call it cross-axleing and all i had was the standard locking centre.  I didn't even know that Subarus had LSDs, sweet!

[luder5555]

@qxbutch I don't know what type of LSD the Forester S uses, but I would guess a torsen type. In which case, when one wheel on that axles is completely unloaded, it acts like an open diff.

[dan1el10]

hahaha, u need to pull the 4wd staff!!!!!!lolz

then u come up!!!!!

[wprodj]

AT sux - AWD.

MT rules. Full-Time LSD!

[qxbutch]

MT - same sux.

See another my posted video with white Forester MT.

What do you mean "Full-Time LSD"???

Center differential on MT, or "1" selector position on AT, both engage 100% AWD, 50/50 torque distribution between front and rear axles. The problem is that "rear" LSD does not help in such situation on MT or AT, it doesn't matter.

[HairySheep]

FYI, the 4 speed atuo (4EAT) has no center diff., it is a clutch pack and is not full time 50/50, it is 90/10 until it detects wheel slip.

With the manual, it has the center diff. so it never changes from 50/50.

[qxbutch]

FYI, 4EAT in such Forester models has 50/50 torque distribution at "1" gear selector position due to clutch pack is 100% engaged by electronic signal in this case.

[HairySheep]

ya, i know, but the Forester is not any different from any of the rest of them, they all work the same, even my 1990 Legacy does that. It wont go full 50/50 on its own, as long as it is functioning properly the Duty C solenoid will always have a small amount of power going to it keeping it from becoming fully locked. This is to keep handling reasonable, so your not barking tires and hopping around corners.

[qxbutch]

Anyway gear "1" selector position provide maximum power to rear axle as electonically controlled clutch pack can provide.

No wheel slip detecting algorytm is used in such gear selector position.

IMHO, "keep handling" also is not taking into account in such case.

By the way, this movie shown not "power distribution between front and rear axles" which is near 50/50 for "1" selector position, but the fact that rear LSD is hopeless when one of the wheel on each axle is lost the ground.

[HairySheep]

They dont fully lock for exactly that reason, it is capable of full lock just by cutting the power, but it will never do that on its own. In full lock it is worse than a 4x4 truck, it hops and tires squeal through even slow corners.

But i think you have an LSD problem, the minimum wheels you should have spinning are 3 if your LSD is working properly, it should grab both wheels once it spins so much, if they are on ground or not.

[irishtimothy]

i think his awd system has a hitch in the getalong

[SubaruXT6]

wtf? the foresters are All Wheel Drive.

[lololoahhaha]

try to press brake along with your gas, so your lsd can send power to both the wheels. I have tried it and it works

[Nordlicht05]

the LSD should do this without braking.

The LSD in the WRX ist for example to weak for such situations. Its only for stabilisation in higher speeds

[bornluckyin76]

Try using the low ratio gears and not spinning the wheels so fast, (use brake pedal if necessary) this should allow the LSD to send torque to the other wheel.

[tallazzFilipino]

as far as USDM:

LSD (rear) AWD was included along with the All Weather Package standard on the S trim. VDC-AWD wasn't available till just this 08 model years. and as far as i know, it's only for the 4EATs.

_taF

[ls1983]

I did the same test on 2002forester, just to see if it worked, and it did. Should have taped it, but sold the vehicle, it was ugly. I am about to buy a 2008 forester. Again not sure whats wrong with that one, but with Limited Slip and VDC car goes through anything, provided you have ground clearance.

[qxbutch]

Did your 2002 Forester have LSD and VDC?

Or only LSD? If only LSD, than perhaps my LSD is dead.