JFK SECRET SERVICE

[TheAmbassador11]

Lee Oswald was framed...

[Sarah3059]

my god. could they announce the presidents arrival anymore then a huge crowd, drums and a freely open car???? on a open high way????? geeze! they made the plan simpler then ever. who ever killed Kennedy is a cruel heartless person. they shouldnt be so open with announcing presidents arrivals/

[10Faenorr]

@Sarah3059 "they shouldnt be so open with announcing presidents arrivals"

Presidents have been motorcading around America since the invention of the automobile. Before that whistle stops by train. Where TF have you been ?

"who ever killed JFK is a cruel heartless person"

Oswald had nothing personal against JFK, he just didn't like his politic's in regards to Cuba thats all. He saw JFK as an impediment to him and his wife immigrating to Cuba.

[miamicrg]

I accept you reply--I actually had it somewhat wrong. It was the sun light reflecting from Roy Kellerman's head that made it appear as Greer was turning around that kind of looked like he had a gun.When you really look at Greer's hands-they are both still clearly on the steering wheel.Had Greer reacted properly after the first 2 shots-he turned his head the first time-Agent Kellerman yelled to him get us out of here-we are hit-Greer turned back to look a second time.Should have been long gone.

[Aspie37]

I think Johnson was behind it.

[anothercountyheard]

@Aspie37 100% right . Johnson and Hoover. It's as old as caesar.

[DKetch1966]

If you look closely at the left Secret Service agent, it's actually Clint Hill; the agent who was riding on the step of the follow-up car. Agent Hill did jump onto the rear step behind Mrs Kennedy several times during the motorcade. It was at his discretion as to when he mounted the car. Unfortunately he stepped off the bumper for the last time as the car entered Dealey Plaza.... until he hurled himself onto the trunk after the last shot...

[IMIGHTBEPETERGRIFFIN]

Even as an Australian this remains a part of the history of events that occured in my lifetime & one that still haunts me to a slight degree.

Just looking at this footage (from 5:43 to 6:41) reminds me of how 'primitive' we were compared to how things are done today.

What a shambolic clusterfuck that is, dragging the coffin out of the truck AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT FUCKING TRUCK?!

Even though the world was was already well-screwed B4 JFK's assassination, it got worse from that day.

[Tonyo1221]

Google Mac wallace.

His finger print was found in the sniper nest in TSBD.

He murdered people before for LBJ. and he was part of the hit team on JFK too.

[WulfgarCommand]

And how does the claim that the SS was permitted to ride on the limo at SOME points imply no involvement on their part? They were not allowed while in Dealy, if anything this claim raises more eyebrows. They would have been standing right in the way of Oswald's alleged projectory. Leaving only the possibility of a shot from the right or left without any other passenger getting in the way.

[WulfgarCommand]

corydwalker said "Why would they have needed to ride on the bumper at the airport? That would be absurd. There are videos that show them riding on the back of the limo during various parts of the motorcade."

An airport is not some impenetrable safety oasis. If it was the norm NOT to ride on the limo while leaving airports, why then the stunned reaction from the guard when told to stand down? Wouldn't they know the routine after visiting hundreds of airports around the US?

[dbrear1954]

It's George Bush's Fault !

[nelsonbig]

You're not alone, my friend.

[rabidthor]

TALK ABOUT A SET UP! SHIT!!!

[rabidthor]

kcsunshine64 =lol -  oswald is innocent.

[kcsunshine64]

Yup, Oswald did it all by himself with his magic bullets that changed directions, hung in mid air, changed direction again went through two bodies, smashing several dense bones on the way and then washed itself before it landed on the stretcher. Oh and let's not forget about Lee's superhuman speed(down four flights of stairs after hiding the rifle, getting a coke and not even out of breath). Yessir it was Ozzie all the way!

[hot4urass]

jfk is still alive..on my money..

[pablosiddiqui]

everyone check this out...ok go to the 4 min mark after the script about gov connaly...i noticed that JFK had already been shot and his wife was holding and looking at him...than watch the driver turn around and do the 2nd shot...unbelievable

[mclapper333]

Thats very interesting - the driver definitely turns around and reaches his left arm around to point something toward JFK - which certainly could have been a gun. I don't think the driver delivered the fatal shot though, as Jackie's head would have been directly in the way at that moment, and because the blow pushed his head back and left - a shot from the driver would have pushed his head back and slightly right. Its interesting how the Connolly's react right then as well.

[miamicrg]

@mclapper333 Please--look at the footage carefully and get the crap out of you eyes....It is sun light reflecting off of Bill Greer's head and not some kind of super weapon/gun.

[mclapper333]

@miamicrg A gun is a super weapon now? That is a bit absurd.

Regarding the sunlight, with the advantage of perspective I didn't have before, I think you are right. But I can assure you I had no "crap" in my eyes and simply gave an honest opinion. The video is not easy to see and multiple eyes and perspectives can be necessary to get a reliable image. Note I said it "could" be a gun - and "super weapon" is your word. Regardless, I'm convinced the driver only looked back w/out a weapon.

[corydwalker]

Why would they have needed to ride on the bumper at the airport? That would be absurd. There are videos that show them riding on the back of the limo during various parts of the motorcade.

[corydwalker]

Why would they have needed to ride on the bumper at the airport? That would be absurd.  There are videos that show them riding on the back of the limo during various parts of the motorcade.

[fhudkins]

I only wish the Chopin funeral march weren't so badly looped... Great info, though. Thanks for posting!

[calmemaggie]

after the first shot.........the driver put the brake on......allowing for "the kill" to happen....He was supposed to speed off and get help for the injured president.

[Pippin76]

You got it, Sherlock.

[bradcdm]

The proof that it is fabricated is that there is no proof that it legit. It was dismissed by the warren commision, congress's investigation in the 70' and other invesigation organizations. By the way did you know i was there and saw the assination. I was across the street from the book depository and and saw oswald clearly and the two black guys eating chicken on the window below him

[giles422]

in fact, the recording was brought to the attention of the MIami PD, and to the Secret Service, who thereupon changed JFK's motorcade plans entirely. Milteer was questioned by the Warren Commission, who subsequently failed to pursue. But they did tell Milteer than he had been informed on, and gave him the name of the informant.

You were present at the assassination? Did you give evidence? How did you identify Oswald as the shooter at the time?

[mclapper333]

@bradcdm

Sure you did buddy. Show a photo or video of the scene that has your mug in it and you might have some credibility. Evidence that the film is legit includes the faces of the individuals in the car, which are originals, and self-corroboration of other individuals and bystanders at the scene with other photographs and video taken of the event. Convincingly faking video is extraordinarily difficult, and thus video that is not visibly corrupt generally is legit until proven otherwise.

[KookTartsBigFarts1]

@mclapper333 "and thus video that is not visibly corrupt generally is legit until proven otherwise"

The HSCA went even farther by getting the worlds foremost Kodak film emulsion expert Roland Zavada to verify the National Archives 'in-camera' original is legit and unaltered !

Google : 'Zavada Report'

[PituProductions]

stop the video at 04:02

the limo driver shoting kennedy

[045781]

I never seen Eisenhoward say what he said here, he was a man who knew about the CIA & military complex which he warned Kennedy about.The look on his face is priceless,he knew it was a coup.He must have been to scared to really speak out then or did he tell anyone in his family? An amazing film of old Ike in shock over JFK's death.

[bradcdm]

Oswald did it alone he was the lone gunman. No conspiracy here CSI new technology has proven that time and time again get over it conspiracy buffs it is over

[derek12753]

god i hope your not serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!...do you live in a bubble... or r u just trying to sound silly!!!

[bradcdm]

I've read more and researched more than on this subject than you are any of these other conspiracy nuts have. I'll debate point on point in regards to this subject. It is a FACT that Oswald was the lone assasin that is why you and no one else has been unable to PROVE otherwise

[giles422]

how'd he do it?

[bradcdm]

He was on a the sixed floor of the book depository with a straight shot down the road with a high powered rifle a shot that you and could make with a little pracice

[giles422]

How'd Tague get hurt?

[bradcdm]

The first bullet missed and hit the curb.Cement flew up and hit him the second bullet hit connolly and kenedy ( single bullet ) and the third hit kennedy and the exit wound blew off the front of his head. You can see the front of his explode, Exit wounds cause the greater damage

[giles422]

why'd Oswald kill JFK?

[bradcdm]

Why did oswald kill kennedy? why did hinkley shoot reagan? why did chapman kill lennon? why did booth kill lincoln why was bundy a mass murderer? they were nuts like all you conspiracy people

[giles422]

(for Bradcdm only, please) you've read more and researched more than many on this subject, can you tell me who Joseph Milteer was?

[bradcdm]

Milteer was southern racist who claimed he had foreknowleged of the assassination. another crackpot theory. Again no proof about a conspiracy. Give me something to debate about other thans theses idiotic theories with no basis

[giles422]

crackpot theory? why?

[bradcdm]

He had no basis for his theory NEED PROOF to make any statement. To build a theory you need proof. Without proof it is a crackpot theory. This the basis of acedemics

[wiggumz666]

A theory is theory and requires no proof only evidence to support it. Once proof is given a theory ceases to be and becomes fact. The real fact of the matter is if you cannot disproof a theory you have no place to call it "crackpot"

[bradcdm]

You can disproof a theory like the world is flat with PROOF. Another crackpot theory by the way

[giles422]

Milteer was recorded by a police informant on 18 November talking about specific plans to assassinate the President by using a high-powered rifle in an office building, and that a patsy would be picked up hours after to throw the public off. It's on the record.

[bradcdm]

Not true fabricated recording like alot of other conspiracy crap

[giles422]

fabricated recording? do you have proof of this?

[giles422]

your allegation fascinates me. If the Milteer recording was fabricated, who do you think would do such a thing? Are you suggesting a conspiracy to fool the public into believing that JFK was killed by a group of plotters with a concerted plan, rather than a lone nut assassin?

[bradcdm]

No the kennedy asssination consiracy industry is motivted by profit. It is a multi million dollar industry. Ask Oliver Stone he made a few bucks off that crap It makes money off people like you. I have to admit it is fun to debate these issues. So I think in a strange way I welcome it

[giles422]

when was the Milteer tape fabricated?

[giles422]

that is, November 8, 1963

[bradcdm]

Why don't you look at the total picture of what has been documented? Look at everything!!! Not just cherry picked pieces of the picture. There are several books documentaries internet sites. The evidence is overwellming in favor that oswald did it alone

Start with Posners's book "Case Closed". Our ability to solve a crime in 2007 is much greater than it was in 1963 and they still got it right back then. I could have shot him from that perch. I have been there and saw how easy it was

[giles422]

thought you enjoyed the debate. You said you were at the scene of the JFK assassination on 22 November 1963. Is this true?

[bradcdm]

By the way the hole you say was Milteer was totally wrong he said on Nov. 18 that Kennedy would be shot in Miami. Sometimes a blind mouse can almost find a piece of cheese once in while. Big hole for the conspiacy nuts against the overwlming evidence that oswald did it alone IN DALLAS

[giles422]

say what?

[TYX91101]

There is no such evidence. Oswald was framed for the murder of JFK.

[TYX91101]

You're the blind mouse in this story.

[giles422]

what you describe as 'cherry picked pieces of the picture' are actually rather large holes in the single assassin/ no conspiracy position you hold, and you have not answered them. Did the Warren Commission change any testimony given them by eyewitnesses?

[bradcdm]

There is no credabilty in those holes There is a mountain of proof that oswald did it. You can spit in the wind all you want. You have not proved anything. By the by the way I also fucked Marilyn Monroe when Kennedy was You ask me if I was there in Dallas why would want to the truth, Take me at my word like you do with with all these other people you

value.

[giles422]

huh?

[giles422]

can you tell me who Bobby Hargis is?

[bradcdm]

You mean Rev Billy James Hargis. Right wing evangelist had "Operation Midnight Ride" a anti communist that General Walker joined and who Oswald tried to assassinate before Kennedy. another piece of evidence that Oswald Killed Kenedy. The same bullet they found in Walker's house came from the same box that killed Kennedy. Thanks for providing another piece of evidence that Oswald was a lone assassin

[giles422]

uh, no, I mean the cycle cop. Don't you know who he was?

[TYX91101]

Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill anybody.

[bradcdm]

PROVE IT!!! You can not can you?

[TYX91101]

You can't prove a damn thing either. A lot of people support the Warren Report because they hated JFK, and no other reason. The idea that his life was ended by a single lunatic in a random act of violence is an attempt to diminish his stature as a man and a president.

[indexan]

Yes he did- JFK and Tippets

[bradcdm]

Officer Bobby Hargis right? There are more than a thousand people involved in Kennedy's death so when you try to test me be more specific

[bradcdm]

Bobby was the motorcycle cop that ran to the grassy knoll. The accoustics there was distorted by echos. He even said " There was no way in the world I could tell where the shots were comimg from" What hole does this create? Need to start to come up with something that will interest me.

[giles422]

wrong. He was the cop splattered with blood. But dont worry about it. You've proven your point expertly. My mind is blown! And you were an eyewitness, as well! And slept with Marilyn Monroe! I cant debate any more. You win.

[bradcdm]

Maybe he was splattered with blood if was close to the car so what is your point? he is famous for running to the grassy knoll. Now your turn to make a point. Don't quit

[floeperd1976]

It is unknown if Bobby Hargis had ever reached the picket fence. If you watch the video very closely, you can see that Bobby brakes and puts the kickstand out. In the muchmore movie I discovered Bobby standing at the light standard, and a couple of frames ahead running back to his motorcycle. I think he HAD peaked over the concrete wall, but I do not think he had ever made it to the picket fence.

[bradcdm]

Thanks for making my point he was confused. If he was shot fom the grassy knoll the bullet would have exited from the left side of his head not the front

[guitmarc54]

I don't know about you but it looked as if the driver pulled out a gun and shot the president. thats what i see.

[WolfArden44]

Man.Enough with the Ron Paul shit already.lol.The comments are on like every political video up here.

[ChubbyChuggy]

teslacoils is srbijan and he know all abaut ron paul he knownothing exsept desire to brake usa sinc he hold rusia in his hart no man commited genocideat 21 century shukd give his politikal openion god bless ron paul

[RNBJ22]

ron paul works for the government and he's here to make it seem like we have an opinion

when in acuality we dont there just puppets told what to say, the government know's we know they did 911 and if they dont make a hero figure in the publics eye then they will lose there balencing things out!

[RNBJ22]

we all know the government post shit on here to balance out, and fuck up our training of thought jfk was killed by greer

[teslacoils2001]

Look at how heroic his wife hugs him when he was shot in the throat yet she tries to escape the car after the last shot. That is because it was Greers. Look up Dean ROger Ray on google video find out who owns secret service in all western countries.

[chngdwrld]

...stand down...sounds like a good old boy trick...Cheney perfected that move...as the elite contiue to ruin the country.

[porkwizard]

Go J.F.K.!

[ubuchuckp4]

Have you made your mind up about who you would like to see in the Whitehouse? If you could hand pick the President, who would you choose? Before you do make that important decision please check out Ron Paul. It is your choice. Make it count!

[teslacoils2001]

Ro Paul is Jesuit and New World Order!

[ubuchuckp4]

Prove that he is Jesuit and nwo. Post the info1 Until you do you are a liar! Since i know better i will just assume that you know that you are a weasel! Pretty bad when you want to attack a man that has an unblemished record. Grow up! Vote! Ron Paul 2008!!

[RNBJ22]

we the government writes shit on you tube to control and balence out our thoughts if it seems true then it probally is

[saintrambone]

One SS officer told me, "The trust is gone". As a former federal bank examiner for the FDIC, I was almost killed after alerting others to murder and money laundering. The Secret Service or some agency forcibly injected me and made me sign papers. If you trust the USA governments, you are naive or stupid. USA is a negative capitalist, predatory, empire and technology and collusion is their main strength. Their terror warrants retaliation by humane men. Mobile Audit Club

[torpedodropkick]

CIA job CIAraftsmann. LHO pals of Ruby and co. Payback for Bay Of Pigs stuff up by JFK.

[needsumsun]

Of the four expended cartridge cases found at the scene of the Tippit murder, two were of Western Cartridge Co. manufacture, two of Remington-Peters. The autopsy of Tippit, however, revealed three bullets of Western Cartridge Co. Manufacture and one of Remington-Peters. A fact that a many people dont know

[cdddraftsman]

To : needsumsun "four expended cartridge"

His gun held 6 bullets , so what does that prove ? Someone picked up a souveneir ?

[zcult]

The missing 35mm is recorded and stashed in the Republican Party's library. The Bush Prez-twins snicker sinister-like all the while and all the way to the bank.

[cdddraftsman]

To : needsumsun "A fact that a many people dont know"

You are talking about the shell casings are you not ? The gun had a bored out barrell so none of the actual bullets recovered from Tippit could be traced to LHO pistol .

[needsumsun]

the cyclinder had been chambered from .38 S&W to .38 spl. The barrel was shorten

[2hot4yaII4]

yo fucking white homo trash

[theKingdomawaits]

That agent was trying to make it obvious something was going on for the public in the future... there is a name for that... its a form of whistle blowing from guilt etc... To leave obvious clues for people to review over time. It's pretty obvious he is trying to flaunt the fact that they called him off right before... im sure he knew what was going to happen.

[cdddraftsman]

To : theKingdomawaits

The assassination wasn't going to happen until a hour later idiot . That man wasn't even assigned to protect JFK or his wife , he was too be stationed in the follow up car and he is being told to get back to it . Geesh you are stewpid !

[dionreed]

it looks like the agents weren't sitting yet in the car. i dont think this video proves anything.get over it.the agents cant ride the rear bumper because they would have to ride in a squatting position.that position would cause leg cramps and would not provide much security.

[mohammeddavis]

This is absolutely sick! The same people tell me that I can't smoke some marijuana at home. Not that I do it at all. Merely proving a point.

[mohammeddavis]

I can't think of any other Monster nowadays besides Bush and the people who dictate his actions

[deluxsound123]

and i stand by my comment ANYONE that thinks for one second the driver shot him is retarted...your seeing what you want to see...theres no fucken way no one else would have see this...and i really want to hurt people that reply to my comments and say stupid shit...just kill yourself...

[deluxsound123]

did you bother to look at my page before responding like a toolbag...and i am not typical of anything that you know...you and most other people dont have anything in your past memory that would allow you to deal with me...and next time just come out and say what the fuck your thinking instead of saying this bullshit...

[snipboy]

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-Julius Ceasar

-Abraham Lincoln

-Andrew Jackson

-James Garfield

-Congressman Mcfadden

-John Francis Kennedy

They were all people killed or attempted to be killed by the banking elite throughout history. Oddly enough, they all worked to instill into the people's government a system that issued its own money interest and debt free.

[schizlor]

Its John Fitzgerald Kennedy

[ladythunderbird]

THEY are afraid of truth and love. Spread the word, what we can see so can others no matter how stubborn. I guess I was once a retarted mother fucker myself but calling me that wouldn't make me see. So love and focus on the THEM, the true stupid motherfuckers. Bring them down with love, truth, compassion, and understanding. The word Revelations means truth.

[bkrandy1969]

FUCK that if you look at the driver he pulls out a gun and shoots him and if you don't believe the look at it one more time cuz its true. And the wild thing is that I got this info from a book called ( BEHOLD A PALE HORSE) by WILLIAM COOPER who is dead now. When I was reading it alot of it sounded crazy until I've seen this tape our gov. lies to much and they want most of us deadand I don't give a FUCK they lied about 911.

[deluxsound123]

william cooper is retarted...the driver didnt shoot anyone. he was turning around to see what the fuss was about instead of getting the hell out of dodge. and i think that maybe she was picking up part of his head on the back of the deck of the car. the fatal shot came from the front right not the left where the driver was

[bkrandy1969]

Your a retarted mother fucker just look at the driver when he turns around he has a gun. And he turns around before J.F.K. gets shot. You clown look at 911 that shit was a set up I live in N.Y. we all know that. Its not my falt you can't see past your own 2 feet The truth is stranger then fiction ONE you bitch ass mother fucker

[koplamp]

and mr and mrs connally didn't say anything about it?

[deluxsound123]

I think she was reaching for the secret service man to help him get in the car. I really dont understand why people dont realise that it was the government that did it.

[bkrandy1969]

Hell ya the gov. did it if you look at the driver he pulls out a gun and shoots him and i got this info from a book called( Behold a pale horse) by william cooper and if you don't believe me look at it one more time and jus at the driver.

[Yaudy2]

Is it me? Or did Jackie go to the back of the car to pick up brain pieces and put them back on John?

[koplamp]

i don't know if she tried to put it back on him, but she did pick up a piece of his skull.

[markdcarter]

This is exactly what happened. Their testimony confirms your suspicion!

[itsaFACTCIAkilledJFK]

The genesis for thip black op came from US Army High Command. The CIA is like its namesake, an agency. they do the bidding for someone else. The Army has always been the guiding force and most powerful influence on the CIA. The calling card left behind was the presence of army Intel Officers in Dealey Plaza snapping photos, and the behaviors and military style execution of plans.

[DARNOVID]

America could have been so great

[regicidejfk63]

obviously an inside job

[Snoogans775]

I agree with the proof that shows the cover-up and assassination of JFK, but "THEY got him", has never proven to me anything more than the more significant proof, like the burst of dust from the knoll, and the inconsistencies at the depository. The quotes from the secret service agents are jsut not strong enough to even remotely prove their knowledge at the time.

I just think people put too much emphasis on that.

[UTube4Dennis]

"It was goin' to be a Toikey-Shoot"

[Shadow101Dancer]

wood-think wood-in Dallas a few days before-paving the road to the WH and for the legacy to follow-NWO

the coup of 2000 happened in the 60s and has yet to recover-same players

[Shadow101Dancer]

He was also trying to shut down MAFIA-think aristotle onassis. He was trying to pull away from NAM as well

The international bankers like rothschild were not going for that

[Shadow101Dancer]

JFK signed law:e US of A would make our own silver guaranteed notes and disband with the FEDRES of the international bankers-We could guarantee our own notes with our own resources-this did not sit well with the rothschilds and their ilk. We were ready to move forward and avoid the interest that 'they' would charge-

[octanetank]

hey you guys this video is disturbing. It is the same as the concept or ideas of the "patriot" in Metal Gear Solid 2 game. the presidential election is just an orchestrated one, to cover up things from the people or public, and when the president don't follow the rules, then he is put to death by assasination. this world is still primative, still survival of the fittest.

[UTube4Dennis]

"Camelot in smithereens"

[mmmartin261]

he was killed because he lost the cold war, hands down unequivocably, he lost the coldwar when the russians sneaked in nukes and placed them all over the united states, everything since then in our body of polotics has been a sham, all a play that shows us normalcy as our country is controlled by old kgb types who can activate the bombs, only now they work for the global companies, and not just mother russia anymore. all is lost.

[revo40]

JFK was killed because he woke up to our fraudulent money system which was put into action in 1913 by the satanic bankers (globalists) who are the true controllers. If you don't play by the rules you must die. President Lincoln met the same fate because he refused to play by the rules too. It's so sad to think we are STILL allowing this to happen to this day! NOTHING will change until the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM is abolished!

[AgentOrange2006]

man that is so fucking disturbing watching JFK get shot and that blood splatter and him limp over. god that is sick!

[Nonteper]

There is so much more you people need to learn about the assassination, the cover-up by the press and media, by the government agencies and by that I mean the likes of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Hoover all of these and many more high up officials within the US government had blood on their hands. Not because they pulled the trigger but because of the willingness to do nothing what so ever in bringing the killers to justice. And that continues to this day.

[simlmx]

Ask why the secret service agents that normally flank the presidential limousine were ordered to stand down, much to one of the agents obvious disgust. intrestingly the agent who would have blocked line of sight from the alleged shooting position of the assassin to kennedy. There's video around to support this. There's video shows the driver is complicit in the attack. he turns to his right to see kennedy shot in the throat it's not until the headshot that he finally speeds away.

[sniper479]

the iluminati mudered one of the greatest presidents that ever lived and they will pay.

[koplamp]

What's the name of that song you hear when he gets shot?

[deankeats]

that is a band playing a song written by chopin, called "funeral march"

[citation32b]

The agents were supposed to be in the followup car on its running boards on the sides with the option to get on the rear step of the JFK limo as necessary. JFK did not order the Secret Service agents away from his car, the chief of the SS that day in Dallas did. www.history-matters.com

[Pippin76]

Not according to Clint Hills testimony: http://jfkassassination.net/ru­ss/testimony/hill_c.htm

(And Clint Hill should know). JFK ordered it himself a week before in Florida.

[citation32b]

Clint Hill said what his supervisor, ASAIC Floyd Boring, told him. Boring has also said JFK did not order agents off the car. Hill climbed on the rear of the JFK limo at least four times in Dallas to protect Jackie, it was his job. Guess he didn't mind disobeying "orders".

[Pippin76]

So you're saying Hill and Boring are in disagreement on this?

[transwired]

were the agents suppossed to run from the airport to the city centre, what's the distance, does anybody know?

[clayrains]

Until recently, I've not really been very knowledgeable on the JFK assassination as far as the details. Now that I study this just a little bit, the official story is completely unbelievable. And why is it that we can't know many of the other details until I'm almost 70? What possible explanation is there for that? Add to that the similarities to the details between JFK and Reagan's assassination and 9/11 and the presence of some of the key players being present in all three events.

[bedece1]

Uh-oh, you're in for trouble by studying this. I've studied it since 1976 and have posted on many boards. If you're really interested go to historymatters.com and read the WC hearings and the HSCA hearings. It will take some time, but if you truly investigate you'll find that something was amiss in Dallas.

[cstyle10]

BUSH, BUSH, BUSH Jr.

[Chatter1138]

Regan wasnt assassinated, dumbass.

[rootsymali]

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[fluffhead717]

i think DDE sums it up best at the end...."the American nation is a people of great common sense and they are not going to be stampeded or bewildered." this was planned and executed with precision... from the beginning all the way to end. why do you think oswald never made it to trial? because the government didn't have a case against him and the truth would have come out.

[Chatter1138]

Because a semi-crazy, never-was wanna-be gangster, man named Jack Ruby had his president shot by Oswald and took it into his own hands to get revenge.

[hamwinkie]

Look people. He was the son of a gangster. He grew up like me. An Irish Catholic with an attitude problem. He, much worse. He pissed off a lot of people, he had thousands of potent enemies. Who cares who killed him? Really. I believe the kid (Oswald) got lucky. He could have easy. I know hillbillies that could pull that off. So again, who cares?

[storkman]

what do u mean who cares? fool, all of us proud americans care, you not an american?

[hamwinkie]

Who cares? Good question. I care that he was killed. I cannot care less if there was another shooter. Dead is dead. That is my point. We either know, or choose not to, or do not. Either way, he is dead. PS, half of Americans vote the other way. Would you be this upset if Bush or Kerry (had he won) been killed? Be honest. Think about it.

[storkman]

yea well some of us americans dont appreciate the government lying to us & that has/did happen. yes i'd prob be this upset if bush was killed as it even brings it more home being during my time. i wasnt born when JFK was killed but still angers me to this day. yea i understand your point but still doesnt make it right what government/mafia/whatever other agency might have been involved.

[hamwinkie]

I agree. But I am also a realist. I know this will not change. I was quite young when my teacher stopped class to tell us of this. Shit happens. Roll with it. What choice do we have? The media makes copy cats. Look at the those two school shootings this past week.

[storkman]

well tried to reply but got some stupid posting error so just gonna say i agree partly but just advising to roll with it implies we dont care or dont want americans to rise up & demand something be done bout it. if america rised up & demanded bush open those files that have been locked up for god knows how many years. its ridiculous & we cant just rollover & not do anything bout it, im glad they still have the yearly convention in dallas.

[hamwinkie]

Well, that is fine if there is anything to see. Then, why ask Bush? What about the other 6 presidents? Let it go.

[storkman]

the other 6 probably were never asked by in large demand & if they were then they did have the cajones to do anything about it. nah you stand up for whats right

[Cymric1959]

ham bs , no one could, I know, that rifle was a piece of crap, would take over 2 seconds just to cycle a new round. The FBI tried with their snipers also and even there best could not do it. Oswald was not even in their class, plus the scope was junk open lense no deflection. A down ward shot of a target moving away drom you is one of the hardest in the world to do, and from the deposiory there were several things blocking him.

[madcyril]

I understand what your saying, but standing on the back of the car is not blocking anyones view and i find it hard to believe that JFK didnt want agents "anywhere near the car" like you said. After all whats the point of having SS agents there but "no where near the car"? I wouldnt call that common sense or protecting the president would you?

[rootsymali]

The problem is we will never really know the full facts. It is odd that the guards were not were one would expect them to be. If Kennedy did not want them so close, it's his own fault for taking that risk. But, I am actually quite amazed that no one thought of putting him in bullet proof car. Everybody knew that Texas was hostile ground. What were they thinking?

[bedece1]

The agents rode in the car behind him. I agree that it was a senseless act on JFK's part, but from my understanding of it, Kennedy did not have a high regard for the SS, and stated that if someone wanted to kill him there's not much they could do about it. In an ironic twist, he even said that all someone would have to do is get on a rooftop with a high powered rifle if they wanted to kill him.

[yupno]

But...two were supposed to behind him, on the back of the bumpers. This would not block the peoples view of JFK. The president should have felt safer. The bodyguards were also confused. Why would the guy on the right be SO confused like, that shrugging? Why would they be so "far" away from the president? To me that doesnt make sense.

[bedece1]

It doesn't make much sense to me either, but JFK did not want his body guards anywhere near the car. I vaguely recall that at one point in the motorcade, JFK did actually berate his agents for getting to close to the car. Whether the agent who shrugged at that time knew of JFK's demands is unknown, but that's what I would attribute it to. I've done a lot of research and I honestly don't believe that the agents were involved.

[bedece1]

There is an explanation here. It is well documented that JFK didn't want his SS near the car. He believed they blocked the people's view of him, and would get angry and scold them from being near the car.

[jquattro]

too bad the video quality is the absolute worst ever shown!

[copweb]

Great demonstration!

CHEER!!!

[jquattro]

BY THE WAY, JFK'S BODY WAS NOT ACTUALLY IN THE CASKET SHOWN

[joce25]

oh my good. so sad 

[copweb]

I try to bring some answers there: http://users.skynet.be/copweb/­jfk/