@ratonL No, atheism is a worldview which takes the place of a religion because it makes truth claims. My video is presented, not to claim that "Christians" haven't killed people, but to remind everyone that atheists have the very same tendency. Atheism does not lead to goodness, it merely frees us from responsibility so that we can do more evil.
@alyosha24601 The difference is those evil beings who happened to be atheists killed people not 'because' the were atheists, but because it was a way for them to stay in power and control the people...unlike christians, who killed heathens...because they were heathens and all in the name of god [although one could argue they too felt compelled to stay in control, as a major religion mind you]. On your point about tendencies: if they have «the very same tendency», why religion again?...
@ratonL This isn't true. Every communist and deist regime has targeted the church with "religious" zeal. What the atheists don't have is a reason to do good. If there is no God, why attempt to keep any moral code? Atheism can never improve society. What Marx said was wrong and we've seen it to be wrong.
@alyosha24601 ... If atheism=anarchy, then, dictator=little in stature; I disagree. You seem to think 'man' is inherently evil, but I don't believe that to be the case. I believe one is only as good as one's surroundings. If we're able to live in community and thereby learn the meaning of empathy —the «golden rule»—, then, we'll be fine... Plus, half of the Christian moral code is based on fear...I still haven't found the reason of logic in many aspects of the Christian God's behaviour...
@ratonL When a people will not control themselves through a moral code, a dictator will arise. I think it is self-evident that man is evil. Take two babies and one cookie: do they offer it to each other or try to take it? A recent poll among college males revealed 90% would rape if they were certain of no consequence to themselves. The Golden Rule is Christian you know, but without God, why keep it? Finally, you will never understand God's logic without reading the Bible. It's just too different
Mao was a creator of a god, which was himself that he forced all Chinese people to worship. That was surprisingly similar to Jesus who claimed that he (Jesus) was the only son of god..
@goldmonkey77 You are correct! Basically both of them claimed to be God. The main difference lies in the fact that Jesus fulfilled 200 prophecies, healed the blind, and rose from the dead in order to authenticate his claim. Secular first century manuscripts even validate the events. Mao on the other hand, led his nation to near ruin. Of course, if they both lied, then there is no justice in the universe, nor any hope of afterlife. In that case, your life is meaningless - so live for fun I guess.
@alyosha24601 There are two lies here. One was made two thousand years ago and the other one made 60 years ago. The difference between you and me is that you only believe the one made 2000 years ago and I believe none of them
@RabbotRedux Good point, no, great point! And that's the problem with it. From a purely practical point of view, the logic of atheism leads to selfishness, even violence. But again, my video here is not saying every atheist is bad or that every theist is good, I'm saying that atheism is not the answer - not the replacement for Christianity that will make everything better. (I do believe it can only make things worse, but I'm not saying that here.) Thanks.
@kjun13 OK, fine, call it a worldview, but let's not pretend you don't have a framework with which you view life. Secondly, if you knew something about creation science you might not so easily condemn it; frankly I doubt you know a thing about it. Now, I'm here to teach, just in case you'd like to learn, so you are welcome back. In the mean time though, go to your mommy and learn some manners. Your atheistic religion doesn't seem to be teaching you any.
@alyosha24601 I welcome you to the internet. I dont have a problem with creationism, as long as they dont call it science when it's not. You think atheists are not moral people? You need god to tell you not to kill people?
@kjun13 Actually yes, altruistic atheists like Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, and Robespierre prove that atheism is not a religion which specifically restrains killing. All of us are "bad". As for creationism, have a look at some of my science videos and learn some facts they never teach in school. Creation PhDs aren't lunatics who ignore science, they are scientists who want to point out uncomfortable facts which are ignored. The math is just so much against evolution - it never happened.
@kjun13 Yeah, well, I'm not saying religious people are all good, I'm just saying everyone is bad. Atheism has no philosophical basis for altruism and therefore atheists can easily behave like the beasts they believe they descended from. Here we have famous examples where they have. Of course religious people can behave this way as well, but on my channel I get all these atheist visitors that somehow think atheism will bring some kind of moral golden age. Now it's my turn to lol lol lol lol lol.
@kjun13 I'm afraid I can't really tell you. If you'll look under Youtube's video creation choices the Stupiflix option will have a "music lounge with which to upload music. This piece is one of the 16? in the classical file. It's Reach for the Sky or Something about Leaves or Story Unfolds or something. You'll see the titles. Clic on them and they'll play. Good luck. My 12-year-old is a big Schubert fan! Me? Chopin and Rachmaninov!
@loveandlove231 Don't kid yourself. Communism is built on the philosophical foundation of atheism. The whole logic of atheism implies no accountability - not even at death. There is no reason to be good, nor to value others. Atheism + power will always = cruelty.
Most of these god not god are from generations that were taught in school that god existed and the break came in the seventies when Freemasons lost their minds and the middle east cut America and Europe off of the oil tit and people's parent stopped listening to them about god, because life sucked, and most young adults and teenagers seem to feel betrayed at the lack of planning for their futures, and an acceptance that faith and degradation of possibility beyond Apocrypha and prophecy...
Most of these god not god are from generations that were taught in school that god existed and the break came in the seventies when Freemasons lost their minds and the middle east cut America and Europe off of the oil tit and people's parent stopped listening to them about god, because life sucked, and most young adults and teenagers seem to feel betrayed at the lack of planning for their futures, and an acceptance that faith and degradation of possibility beyond Apocrypha and prophecy...
I bet if we took the number of people killed by people that were religious, and added that to the number non religious, I bet we could find that NONE of them believed in leprechauns.
IT'S ANTI-LEPRECHAUNISTS!! That's the key, they killed more people than both these groups combined.
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On a real note, whoever made this video is a complete moron.
@TheSmacTalk You are correct. The Bible contends that everybody is evil. Anybody given full power and no accountability turns rotten. My point in the video is that atheists are bad, just like everybody else, not that they are bad and others are good. We probably find agreement here?
@alyosha24601 No, that is not what you showed in the video. You singled out atheist and deists. Way to promote the bible while you were at it. And guess what, if you were born in Indian, you would be doing the same for Hinduism, if an Arabic country, you would do the same for Islam. The fact that atheists try to point out is that religion is a lie and it does more bad then good. We do need to get rid of it. And atheist is not a religion. I support Buddhism, I am an atheist though.
@CntthnkO15 My purpose in this video was to answer those who keep telling me we just need to get rid of religion so that everything will be "all wonderful". I am not trying to make the point that religious people are always good, but merely that atheists can easily be bad, and have been. After all, an atheist isn't responsible to anyone - why logically do anything good? Why? Every atheist state we've produced became a prison. Atheism is not the answer.
@alyosha24601 Why? Because I care for my human race and not because God, this imaginary douche in my head, will reward me when I die. Good try, but religion isn't the answer either, according to your logic. We are all born atheists, accept it or not, its a fact. No one is born evil, they are taught to be evil. So, fix society and it will begin the process necessary to fix all other problems. Remember, money is, indefinitely, the root of all evil.
@CntthnkO15 says: "Religion isn't the answer either, according to your logic." You are correct, and that is my logic. Everybody is selfish, everybody. "We are all born atheists, accept it or not, its a fact." Yeah, OK. I agree. "No one is born evil, they are taught to be evil. So, fix society and it will begin the process necessary to fix all other problems." Pure nonsense. Stalin tried that, too. I take it you don't have kids? You think people are born warm, loving, unselfish, & altruistic!?
@alyosha24601 Stalin was a mass murderer, how does that have anything to do with what I said. Fuck. No, no one is born any certain way, that was the point. "Pure nonsense," wow, you have not earned the right to use that phrase. Read some psychology of human behavior books, that might help.
If your kid turns out a certain way, it is 100% your doing, 100%. Take responsibility douche.
@CntthnkO15 I'll try to respond: 1) Stalin proves that atheism does not necessarily make someone good. 2) Did you know psychologists have the highest suicide rate of any profession? THey have no answers; if they did, things would be getting better. 3) My kids are amazing. They are full of life and really going places. All six! 4) Regarding "fix society" - no one has ever done that. Don't you think that by now we should give up on that idea? People are flawed - WE are the problem. We need God.
@alyosha24601 1) Dark ages prove God doesn't exist. 2) I have all the answers you want. Ask me, psychology questions, of course. 3) Good, still need to take responsibility. 4) Fixed society? What society isn't "fixed" in its own way? People who don't understand human behavior and the problem, not the whole entire human race. We do not need God. I am more moral then any human I have ever met. 20 years of life, not much but it's still saying something. I have been atheist my whole life.
@CntthnkO15 I would contend that you don't have a clear picture of yourself. Morals aren't based on what somebody *hasn't* done. Lets say you had been born in 1925 Germany and had been drafted into the SS. Your leader orders you to hang kids from trees, or you're dead. Those young men did it. Are you really saying you are better than all of them and would happily die instead? Do you see what I'm saying about human nature? Just not doing something doesn't make us good. We put ourselves first.
@alyosha24601 I understand why you would type any of that up, but I already know this. The fact is, these men who joined the SS didn't create the care I have created for myself, due, obviously, to my environmental influences. Quite obvious that they didn't even have a chance to be a "good" person; our definition of a "good person," of course.
@CntthnkO15 Let me just provide the biblical picture for you: The Bible claims all humans are corrupt, selfish. But humans are so compromised that they usually consider themselves "good" because they naturally just compare themselves with other humans, specifically those who are obviously "bad". The scripture claims the true standard is so high that we cannot possibly achieve it, therefore we require rescue. So, I suggest that your evaluation of yourself is in error. Mine certainly was.
@alyosha24601 The bible also claims we were created in 6 days. I think I'll stick to reading psychology books to help me understand humans, thanks anyways. I suggest you do the same.
@CntthnkO15 Have a look at my channel and learn about some science they refuse to teach you in school, for instance, the University of California has verified C-14 in diamonds - these "millions-of-year-old" minerals are less than 50,000 years old. Atmospheric C-14 and Helium are not yet even in equilibrium. There are about 100 similarly uncomfortable scientific truths. This world isn't what they tell us it is. Spend a day sometime and reconsider what you've been indoctrinated with. I'll help
@CntthnkO15 Bible is another subject. If you're open to learning about that one as well, I'm happy to tell you what I know. (One thing I've learned in my years - almost nothing is the way it's spoon feed to us, or what we naturally think it is. When I was 17 I thought I know everything and that everyone who disagreed with me was stupid. Now I realize that I'm the dummy!)
@alyosha24601 Sure, what are you going to explain that the bible already doesn't do it itself and claims itself to be 100% accurate and the word of God. But for some reason, mere mortals think they can change the word of GOD, hence The New Testament. Total bullshit, religion is, almost all.
@CntthnkO15 Well, if the Bible is "bullshit" then you have no worries, you're just cosmic goo that will soon return to the earth: and there is no justice in the universe. Time to party! Still, the fulfilled prophecies in scripture are a little bit disquieting... Nah! Forget 'em!
@alyosha24601 There is a need for justice because you scared little pussies have been taught fear your whole life. If you just fell for the opposite of fear, which is love, you wouldn't have a hair of worry about justice. Don't even try to tell me you don't believe in fear and believe 100% in Jesuses love, lying assholes.
@CntthnkO15 Oh, I do believe in fear. The God I read about makes rules, destroys nations, sends folks to hell. He's not Santa Claus. Secondly, let me get this right, I am a "lying asshole" and a "little pussy" but you believe you can teach me "love"? It seems to me that whatever God you serve is failing you, I recommend you dredge up some courage and speak to the God of fear I'm talking about.
@alyosha24601 Calling you a lying asshole and a little pussy is out of love, which you wouldn't understand because of your current belief system. Trying to help you see reality, but you just keep refusing. God doesn't stand for love, but control, which is done through fear. Satan stands for freedom from God's control, which is the human free will aspect, out of real love for mankind and for them to be free. I don't worship because it's unnecessary for a strong-minded person. Weak people need it.
@CntthnkO15 You'll be surprised to learn that the Bible agrees with most of your points. God does stand for control, (like a father, not a dictator). You're also right about weak people needing God. Also correct about Satan offering "freedom from God's control". But what you don't understand is that YOU are the weak and needy one. First Satan will destroy the life of another of his suckers on earth, because you're his. Then the God you so hate is going to turn on you. Good luck to you strongman.
@alyosha24601 Wow... Still? Kid, learn the law of attraction and you'll know how religion works and why you "feel" God. Ignorance really is bliss huh? I would still gladly stay away from it, because I have bliss knowing truth. If God, an all loving being, wants to punish me, cool stuff dude, if he doesn't I still don't give a flying fuck.
@CntthnkO15 You have earned more respect with me than most of your fellow God-haters, as you have the integrity to just plainly state that your allegiance lies with Satan. Good for you, you're not playing some deceitful game with yourself
Well, if disastrous circumstances should ever lead you to decide to switch sides, God will be happy to embrace you right up to the point of death. I believe your death will come suddenly however; there will be no warning period preceding it, as sickness, etc.
@CntthnkO15 Why do you want to debate with me? I told you you're making the right decision. Curse God and party for 20 years, then die suddenly and spend eternity burning alive so you get to curse God for centuries. But that way you don't have to bow the knee to anyone! You're Captain of your soul! Ye-hah! As for the Law of Attraction, what's that? Keep powerful magnets apart? The girl is pretty so you keep looking? The swimming pool attracts all the neighborhood brats? Honey attracts bees?
@alyosha24601 What the fuck? You have been on this earth for, I am assuming more than 50 years, and you have no clue what the Law of Attraction is? Holy fuck... Just a simple google search would change your entire perspective on life. Do yourself a favor and do it, I for one am glad I didn't wait 50 years. Haha. I will curse God until I die and the second I die, if I get a chance. You won't have to worry about that. UNLESS miraculously he shows his face... Then that's a different story.
@alyosha24601 If I may summarize it for you in what it really means deep down: What you believe, you will "feel." Your belief system will guide you through your life. You get to choose to make that choice, part of free will. You don't have to fall for the bullshit others do like Jesus or Muhammad. I chose to follow what my experience has taught me, treat people the way they want to be treated and if they lie once, never trust them again. Just a few morals I have picked up in my 20 years of life.
@CntthnkO15 Treating people well is right in the Bible. But listen, I can't be convinced there is no God. I've seen a few healings and miracles with my own eyes. In two cases, I literally saw something appear before my eyes. You just can't tell me there is no supernatural, I just can't ever go back to that. As for Mohammed, the stories of his life in the Haddith depict the character of a criminal - murder, treachery, polygamy, lust, child molestation, wife-stealing, theft, lies, etc. A prophet?
@alyosha24601 If God thought sending prophets was the best way to prove his existence then he is retarded. What were these healing? I wonder why your retarded God chose to heal them and not the 15 million children that die PER YEAR of starvation. Thanks, but I'd rather not believe in a hating, disrespectful, unprovable, and retarded God.
@CntthnkO15 You've picked the right strategy. Ignore God till its time to die in favor of your own conclusions - which tell you that he's bad (and retarded), but you're good (and oh so smart!). Then, when its too late to change, get an exciting surprise! Good for you.
@alyosha24601 Holy fuck, I am fucking speechless at your portrayal of pure ignorance and thoughtless style of writing. What the fuck? Do you really not understand what I am saying, or are you just that brainwashed and retarded? Please, read what I said about God being retarded and think about it with an open mind. Such stupidity, and look, it's okay for you to let go of your ego and beliefs, it's quite normal to feel bad and the rationalizations for your beliefs, but it isn't helping at all.
@CntthnkO15 I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I also understand what God is saying. His perspective is very different from yours because he has all the facts, you only have a few of the facts. So, I don't agree with your conclusions. I think you need to read the Bible and figure out just why God thinks and acts like he does. Frankly, you don't understand him. Trouble is, you don't understand yourself that well, either. Shall we end this conversation now? We have zero common ground.
@alyosha24601 You tell me, why is God retarded or why does he do the shit he does? My guess is he is retarded. What is yours? You seem to be an expert, 40 fucking years, you better know every fucking answer to life.
@CntthnkO15 He's not retarded. If you were Richard I, King of England, and you were returning to reclaim your thrown, how would you pick your government? Your wife? You'd do it just like Richard in the old movie; you'd sneak into the country quietly and find out who was loyal for you while evil John still held power. You'd reveal yourself to them first. Those people believed in you because you were good, not because you were rich/powerful. Does that help you to understand his perspective?
last i checked atheists don't kill people because they're atheists but religious people kill people because they're religious.
i've seen MANY "religious" people including christians who claim to be christ-like yet they laugh at the supposed misfortune of lost souls who, in their mind, are doomed to go to hell and burn for all eternity. who could laugh at such a thing if they believed it to be true?? i believe you religious folk call them satanists.
@TheRaellz Point 1: Absolutely. Both religious people and atheists kill religious people and atheists. Point is - ALL people kill people. Point 2: I'm sure you have, yet all I can say is that this is not the biblical position. That position is that he doesn't want anyone going to hell, me either, for whatever that's worth. Point 3: My point is that atheists can be bad guys too, like the rest of us. Indeed, there is no logical reason within atheism to do anything good. Why are you mad at God?
@alyosha24601 see you half had the message there for a moment then lost it again. i have nothing for or against god. never met him and i honestly don't believe anyone has had any experience with god personally. i believe, and some studies show, that what some people experience that they call god is just something overwhelming that we cannot understand consciously. chemicals released in the brain cause hallucinations. i know this first hand. (part1)
@alyosha24601 think of it like how teenagers say they're in love but it's just an overwhelming feeling that they want to slap the word love onto because it's a powerful word for a powerful feeling.
you claimed that atheists can be bad too. well that's been a truth since long before religion. long before we had 'gods'. this reminds me of a famous quote about how good people do good things and bad people do bad things but for good people to do bad things that takes religion. (part2)
@alyosha24601 i don't see atheists burning down churches or killing anyone because an imaginary father figure told them to do it. people are people it's as simple as that which is exactly why none of this can be isolated. every religion will have genuinely good people and psychopathic bad people. atheist, christian, musliam, hindu everything. PEOPLE are people. it has nothing to do with a logo. if it did then we'd see some sort of statistic difference separating religious people from doubters.
@wutdaFU3K It's true but still, atheism cannot produce goodness. There is no logic behind atheism which would encourage improving one's character. Those who reject God still have to deal with selfish hearts, especially their own; we are still all selfish. Thanks for commenting.
@alyosha24601 " ... atheism cannot produce goodness. There is no logic behind atheism which would encourage improving one's character. " What garbage this is! Atheists are good for the sake of being good. The logic behind the behaviour is that we contribute to the moral fabric of the societies in which we live. We don't require intrinsic motivation other than an avoidance of incarceration. The motivation behind theists doing good is that they believe it provides them with a ticket to heaven.
@AtheistEutopia Atheists are good for the sake of being good? We must live on different planets. This week we watched selfish rioters destroy and steal. When do you ever observe benevolent rioters running around giving away their cash? Who is good? I'm not good; I constantly fight to make progress against myself. Every part of me is me-centered. My first thought is always "What will I get out of it". Even when I do something really unselfish, I regret it because of the loss of time or money!
@alyosha24601 The London riots are irrelevent to notions of atheism vs religion. I would challenge anyone to provide evidence that the religious do more good than atheists. Christians, particularly, are more public about the good they do but that doesn't mean they actually do more good than any others. I admire your honesty, but your narcisism is not relevent to the discussion.
@AtheistEutopia My point with the riots was not to claim Christians are better than atheists. It was to claim that ALL people are selfish - "bad" if you will. You put almost anyone in the right circumstances, and they'll murder children or whatever. I am challenging your contention that you are "good". Haven't you ever lied, stolen, craved something you shouldn't have, put yourself first? You don't do that sort of thing?
@alyosha24601 The point of my reply was that there is no connection between religion and the London riots so your use of the sample study does not further any point you think you are making. I have had indiscretions in my lifetime but I could never be described as anything less than a good person.
@AtheistEutopia That's right, no logic, no evidence. You're just meaningless goo passing through. After your death there will be no justice, and your conscience is just a product of random chemistry. Your personality, somehow that was random, too. Big bang came from nothing, but somehow the rules were violated just once. Fulfilled biblical prophecy - just a good guess. And all the information it took to make your DNA, that was really lucky wasn't it! And finally, the future is just hopeless...
@alyosha24601 I'm not meaningless goo, and religion isn't required for a meaningful life. There was no justice before my death so it's not an issue that there's none after. Consciousness has evolved and is not random. Personality is also a product of evolution. Does the Big Bang have rules? I'm not sure that we know yet. All the information in my DNA can be traced to other species, particularly other primates. Perhaps your future's hopeless but mine is very promising in the absence of religion.
@AtheistEutopia Evolution eh? Did you know it would take 600 perfect mutations of individual DNA base pairs per generation, & finding a mate with the same exact mutations, nothing selected out even though (none of the random events are initially perfect), no helpful mutation has ever been produced, to change from, say, a chimp, to a human in 2 million years? This in spite of the fact that the DNA we observe today is degrading at a rate that will bring human extinction in 100000 yrs?That's faith!
@alyosha24601 So you think believing in Iron Age fairy stories is a better alternative to accepting heavily scrutinised scientific fact that still has minor flaws?
Atheism as well as religionists are responsible for the majority of killing and murder of human life. On the other hand, true Christian's are responsible for very few killings. There is a world of difference between religionists and true Christianity which the world fails to distinguish between.
Yes, there is a difference between religious people. Some religions, like Islam & shamanism, are relatively violent because their religion moves them to initiate violence. Others, like Judiasm, Christianity, & Confucianism will respond with violence but not typically initiate it. I would personally put atheism in the first category, agnostics in the second. Atheists tend to be operating out of anger. Atheistic priests like Stalin, Mao, Kin Il Sung, Pol Pot, Robspierre, & Enver Hoxa are bad news!
All people indulge in evil. Let's not pretend that religion is the sole problem. The trick is to divide power and maintain accountability because everybody's madness needs to be controlled. Keeping people accountable because they are inherently evil - not good - keeps them good! This is a biblical idea and it has kept dictatorship largely out of the protestant countries for years. If we go to another model, the ever-eager dictator will arrive!
1] Deism isn't a religion, only a belief, just like atheism.
2] Don't get me started on how many deaths were caused in the name of the christian god; the worldview that built the western world...
ratonL 1 month ago
@ratonL No, atheism is a worldview which takes the place of a religion because it makes truth claims. My video is presented, not to claim that "Christians" haven't killed people, but to remind everyone that atheists have the very same tendency. Atheism does not lead to goodness, it merely frees us from responsibility so that we can do more evil.
alyosha24601 1 month ago
@alyosha24601 The difference is those evil beings who happened to be atheists killed people not 'because' the were atheists, but because it was a way for them to stay in power and control the people...unlike christians, who killed heathens...because they were heathens and all in the name of god [although one could argue they too felt compelled to stay in control, as a major religion mind you]. On your point about tendencies: if they have «the very same tendency», why religion again?...
ratonL 1 month ago
@ratonL This isn't true. Every communist and deist regime has targeted the church with "religious" zeal. What the atheists don't have is a reason to do good. If there is no God, why attempt to keep any moral code? Atheism can never improve society. What Marx said was wrong and we've seen it to be wrong.
alyosha24601 1 month ago
@alyosha24601 ... If atheism=anarchy, then, dictator=little in stature; I disagree. You seem to think 'man' is inherently evil, but I don't believe that to be the case. I believe one is only as good as one's surroundings. If we're able to live in community and thereby learn the meaning of empathy —the «golden rule»—, then, we'll be fine... Plus, half of the Christian moral code is based on fear...I still haven't found the reason of logic in many aspects of the Christian God's behaviour...
ratonL 1 month ago
@ratonL When a people will not control themselves through a moral code, a dictator will arise. I think it is self-evident that man is evil. Take two babies and one cookie: do they offer it to each other or try to take it? A recent poll among college males revealed 90% would rape if they were certain of no consequence to themselves. The Golden Rule is Christian you know, but without God, why keep it? Finally, you will never understand God's logic without reading the Bible. It's just too different
alyosha24601 1 month ago
Mao was a creator of a god, which was himself that he forced all Chinese people to worship. That was surprisingly similar to Jesus who claimed that he (Jesus) was the only son of god..
goldmonkey77 2 months ago
@goldmonkey77 You are correct! Basically both of them claimed to be God. The main difference lies in the fact that Jesus fulfilled 200 prophecies, healed the blind, and rose from the dead in order to authenticate his claim. Secular first century manuscripts even validate the events. Mao on the other hand, led his nation to near ruin. Of course, if they both lied, then there is no justice in the universe, nor any hope of afterlife. In that case, your life is meaningless - so live for fun I guess.
alyosha24601 2 months ago
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@alyosha24601 There are two lies here. One was made two thousand years ago and the other one made 60 years ago. The difference between you and me is that you only believe the one made 2000 years ago and I believe none of them
goldmonkey77 2 months ago
Atheism was never meant to be a worldview from which to derive meaning or answers, any more than deriving morality from not believing in big foot.
RabbotRedux 3 months ago
@RabbotRedux Good point, no, great point! And that's the problem with it. From a purely practical point of view, the logic of atheism leads to selfishness, even violence. But again, my video here is not saying every atheist is bad or that every theist is good, I'm saying that atheism is not the answer - not the replacement for Christianity that will make everything better. (I do believe it can only make things worse, but I'm not saying that here.) Thanks.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
"Atheistic Religion" is an Oxymoron, you fucking retard. It's like "Creationism Science".
kjun13 3 months ago
@kjun13 OK, fine, call it a worldview, but let's not pretend you don't have a framework with which you view life. Secondly, if you knew something about creation science you might not so easily condemn it; frankly I doubt you know a thing about it. Now, I'm here to teach, just in case you'd like to learn, so you are welcome back. In the mean time though, go to your mommy and learn some manners. Your atheistic religion doesn't seem to be teaching you any.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 I welcome you to the internet. I dont have a problem with creationism, as long as they dont call it science when it's not. You think atheists are not moral people? You need god to tell you not to kill people?
kjun13 3 months ago
@kjun13 Actually yes, altruistic atheists like Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, and Robespierre prove that atheism is not a religion which specifically restrains killing. All of us are "bad". As for creationism, have a look at some of my science videos and learn some facts they never teach in school. Creation PhDs aren't lunatics who ignore science, they are scientists who want to point out uncomfortable facts which are ignored. The math is just so much against evolution - it never happened.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 trololol I see what you did there...
kjun13 3 months ago
@kjun13 Yeah, well, I'm not saying religious people are all good, I'm just saying everyone is bad. Atheism has no philosophical basis for altruism and therefore atheists can easily behave like the beasts they believe they descended from. Here we have famous examples where they have. Of course religious people can behave this way as well, but on my channel I get all these atheist visitors that somehow think atheism will bring some kind of moral golden age. Now it's my turn to lol lol lol lol lol.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 by the way, im a pianist, what song is the one in the video?
kjun13 3 months ago
@kjun13 I'm afraid I can't really tell you. If you'll look under Youtube's video creation choices the Stupiflix option will have a "music lounge with which to upload music. This piece is one of the 16? in the classical file. It's Reach for the Sky or Something about Leaves or Story Unfolds or something. You'll see the titles. Clic on them and they'll play. Good luck. My 12-year-old is a big Schubert fan! Me? Chopin and Rachmaninov!
alyosha24601 3 months ago
the communist didnt do it in the name of atheism all what commies show is that even atheist can become corrupted by power
loveandlove231 4 months ago
@loveandlove231 Don't kid yourself. Communism is built on the philosophical foundation of atheism. The whole logic of atheism implies no accountability - not even at death. There is no reason to be good, nor to value others. Atheism + power will always = cruelty.
alyosha24601 4 months ago
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Most of these god not god are from generations that were taught in school that god existed and the break came in the seventies when Freemasons lost their minds and the middle east cut America and Europe off of the oil tit and people's parent stopped listening to them about god, because life sucked, and most young adults and teenagers seem to feel betrayed at the lack of planning for their futures, and an acceptance that faith and degradation of possibility beyond Apocrypha and prophecy...
JonesArmandoHoward 5 months ago
Most of these god not god are from generations that were taught in school that god existed and the break came in the seventies when Freemasons lost their minds and the middle east cut America and Europe off of the oil tit and people's parent stopped listening to them about god, because life sucked, and most young adults and teenagers seem to feel betrayed at the lack of planning for their futures, and an acceptance that faith and degradation of possibility beyond Apocrypha and prophecy...
JonesArmandoHoward 5 months ago
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I bet if we took the number of people killed by people that were religious, and added that to the number non religious, I bet we could find that NONE of them believed in leprechauns.
IT'S ANTI-LEPRECHAUNISTS!! That's the key, they killed more people than both these groups combined.
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On a real note, whoever made this video is a complete moron.
losghost 5 months ago
Actually, most of the bad people were not athiests
TheSmacTalk 5 months ago in playlist Videos from alyosha24601
@TheSmacTalk You are correct. The Bible contends that everybody is evil. Anybody given full power and no accountability turns rotten. My point in the video is that atheists are bad, just like everybody else, not that they are bad and others are good. We probably find agreement here?
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 No, that is not what you showed in the video. You singled out atheist and deists. Way to promote the bible while you were at it. And guess what, if you were born in Indian, you would be doing the same for Hinduism, if an Arabic country, you would do the same for Islam. The fact that atheists try to point out is that religion is a lie and it does more bad then good. We do need to get rid of it. And atheist is not a religion. I support Buddhism, I am an atheist though.
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 My purpose in this video was to answer those who keep telling me we just need to get rid of religion so that everything will be "all wonderful". I am not trying to make the point that religious people are always good, but merely that atheists can easily be bad, and have been. After all, an atheist isn't responsible to anyone - why logically do anything good? Why? Every atheist state we've produced became a prison. Atheism is not the answer.
alyosha24601 4 months ago
@alyosha24601 Why? Because I care for my human race and not because God, this imaginary douche in my head, will reward me when I die. Good try, but religion isn't the answer either, according to your logic. We are all born atheists, accept it or not, its a fact. No one is born evil, they are taught to be evil. So, fix society and it will begin the process necessary to fix all other problems. Remember, money is, indefinitely, the root of all evil.
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 says: "Religion isn't the answer either, according to your logic." You are correct, and that is my logic. Everybody is selfish, everybody. "We are all born atheists, accept it or not, its a fact." Yeah, OK. I agree. "No one is born evil, they are taught to be evil. So, fix society and it will begin the process necessary to fix all other problems." Pure nonsense. Stalin tried that, too. I take it you don't have kids? You think people are born warm, loving, unselfish, & altruistic!?
alyosha24601 4 months ago
@alyosha24601 Stalin was a mass murderer, how does that have anything to do with what I said. Fuck. No, no one is born any certain way, that was the point. "Pure nonsense," wow, you have not earned the right to use that phrase. Read some psychology of human behavior books, that might help.
If your kid turns out a certain way, it is 100% your doing, 100%. Take responsibility douche.
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 I'll try to respond: 1) Stalin proves that atheism does not necessarily make someone good. 2) Did you know psychologists have the highest suicide rate of any profession? THey have no answers; if they did, things would be getting better. 3) My kids are amazing. They are full of life and really going places. All six! 4) Regarding "fix society" - no one has ever done that. Don't you think that by now we should give up on that idea? People are flawed - WE are the problem. We need God.
alyosha24601 4 months ago
@alyosha24601 1) Dark ages prove God doesn't exist. 2) I have all the answers you want. Ask me, psychology questions, of course. 3) Good, still need to take responsibility. 4) Fixed society? What society isn't "fixed" in its own way? People who don't understand human behavior and the problem, not the whole entire human race. We do not need God. I am more moral then any human I have ever met. 20 years of life, not much but it's still saying something. I have been atheist my whole life.
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 are the problem*
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 I would contend that you don't have a clear picture of yourself. Morals aren't based on what somebody *hasn't* done. Lets say you had been born in 1925 Germany and had been drafted into the SS. Your leader orders you to hang kids from trees, or you're dead. Those young men did it. Are you really saying you are better than all of them and would happily die instead? Do you see what I'm saying about human nature? Just not doing something doesn't make us good. We put ourselves first.
alyosha24601 4 months ago
@alyosha24601 I understand why you would type any of that up, but I already know this. The fact is, these men who joined the SS didn't create the care I have created for myself, due, obviously, to my environmental influences. Quite obvious that they didn't even have a chance to be a "good" person; our definition of a "good person," of course.
CntthnkO15 4 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Let me just provide the biblical picture for you: The Bible claims all humans are corrupt, selfish. But humans are so compromised that they usually consider themselves "good" because they naturally just compare themselves with other humans, specifically those who are obviously "bad". The scripture claims the true standard is so high that we cannot possibly achieve it, therefore we require rescue. So, I suggest that your evaluation of yourself is in error. Mine certainly was.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 The bible also claims we were created in 6 days. I think I'll stick to reading psychology books to help me understand humans, thanks anyways. I suggest you do the same.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Have a look at my channel and learn about some science they refuse to teach you in school, for instance, the University of California has verified C-14 in diamonds - these "millions-of-year-old" minerals are less than 50,000 years old. Atmospheric C-14 and Helium are not yet even in equilibrium. There are about 100 similarly uncomfortable scientific truths. This world isn't what they tell us it is. Spend a day sometime and reconsider what you've been indoctrinated with. I'll help
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 It does not prove the bible, which is my only point in this, God doesn't exist. I'll take a look though.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Bible is another subject. If you're open to learning about that one as well, I'm happy to tell you what I know. (One thing I've learned in my years - almost nothing is the way it's spoon feed to us, or what we naturally think it is. When I was 17 I thought I know everything and that everyone who disagreed with me was stupid. Now I realize that I'm the dummy!)
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 Sure, what are you going to explain that the bible already doesn't do it itself and claims itself to be 100% accurate and the word of God. But for some reason, mere mortals think they can change the word of GOD, hence The New Testament. Total bullshit, religion is, almost all.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Well, if the Bible is "bullshit" then you have no worries, you're just cosmic goo that will soon return to the earth: and there is no justice in the universe. Time to party! Still, the fulfilled prophecies in scripture are a little bit disquieting... Nah! Forget 'em!
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 There is a need for justice because you scared little pussies have been taught fear your whole life. If you just fell for the opposite of fear, which is love, you wouldn't have a hair of worry about justice. Don't even try to tell me you don't believe in fear and believe 100% in Jesuses love, lying assholes.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Oh, I do believe in fear. The God I read about makes rules, destroys nations, sends folks to hell. He's not Santa Claus. Secondly, let me get this right, I am a "lying asshole" and a "little pussy" but you believe you can teach me "love"? It seems to me that whatever God you serve is failing you, I recommend you dredge up some courage and speak to the God of fear I'm talking about.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 Calling you a lying asshole and a little pussy is out of love, which you wouldn't understand because of your current belief system. Trying to help you see reality, but you just keep refusing. God doesn't stand for love, but control, which is done through fear. Satan stands for freedom from God's control, which is the human free will aspect, out of real love for mankind and for them to be free. I don't worship because it's unnecessary for a strong-minded person. Weak people need it.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 You'll be surprised to learn that the Bible agrees with most of your points. God does stand for control, (like a father, not a dictator). You're also right about weak people needing God. Also correct about Satan offering "freedom from God's control". But what you don't understand is that YOU are the weak and needy one. First Satan will destroy the life of another of his suckers on earth, because you're his. Then the God you so hate is going to turn on you. Good luck to you strongman.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 Wow... Still? Kid, learn the law of attraction and you'll know how religion works and why you "feel" God. Ignorance really is bliss huh? I would still gladly stay away from it, because I have bliss knowing truth. If God, an all loving being, wants to punish me, cool stuff dude, if he doesn't I still don't give a flying fuck.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 You have earned more respect with me than most of your fellow God-haters, as you have the integrity to just plainly state that your allegiance lies with Satan. Good for you, you're not playing some deceitful game with yourself
Well, if disastrous circumstances should ever lead you to decide to switch sides, God will be happy to embrace you right up to the point of death. I believe your death will come suddenly however; there will be no warning period preceding it, as sickness, etc.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 So I'm guessing you don't like the idea of Law of Attraction... It's fine, be delusional. See ya.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Why do you want to debate with me? I told you you're making the right decision. Curse God and party for 20 years, then die suddenly and spend eternity burning alive so you get to curse God for centuries. But that way you don't have to bow the knee to anyone! You're Captain of your soul! Ye-hah! As for the Law of Attraction, what's that? Keep powerful magnets apart? The girl is pretty so you keep looking? The swimming pool attracts all the neighborhood brats? Honey attracts bees?
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 What the fuck? You have been on this earth for, I am assuming more than 50 years, and you have no clue what the Law of Attraction is? Holy fuck... Just a simple google search would change your entire perspective on life. Do yourself a favor and do it, I for one am glad I didn't wait 50 years. Haha. I will curse God until I die and the second I die, if I get a chance. You won't have to worry about that. UNLESS miraculously he shows his face... Then that's a different story.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 If I may summarize it for you in what it really means deep down: What you believe, you will "feel." Your belief system will guide you through your life. You get to choose to make that choice, part of free will. You don't have to fall for the bullshit others do like Jesus or Muhammad. I chose to follow what my experience has taught me, treat people the way they want to be treated and if they lie once, never trust them again. Just a few morals I have picked up in my 20 years of life.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Treating people well is right in the Bible. But listen, I can't be convinced there is no God. I've seen a few healings and miracles with my own eyes. In two cases, I literally saw something appear before my eyes. You just can't tell me there is no supernatural, I just can't ever go back to that. As for Mohammed, the stories of his life in the Haddith depict the character of a criminal - murder, treachery, polygamy, lust, child molestation, wife-stealing, theft, lies, etc. A prophet?
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 If God thought sending prophets was the best way to prove his existence then he is retarded. What were these healing? I wonder why your retarded God chose to heal them and not the 15 million children that die PER YEAR of starvation. Thanks, but I'd rather not believe in a hating, disrespectful, unprovable, and retarded God.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 You've picked the right strategy. Ignore God till its time to die in favor of your own conclusions - which tell you that he's bad (and retarded), but you're good (and oh so smart!). Then, when its too late to change, get an exciting surprise! Good for you.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 Holy fuck, I am fucking speechless at your portrayal of pure ignorance and thoughtless style of writing. What the fuck? Do you really not understand what I am saying, or are you just that brainwashed and retarded? Please, read what I said about God being retarded and think about it with an open mind. Such stupidity, and look, it's okay for you to let go of your ego and beliefs, it's quite normal to feel bad and the rationalizations for your beliefs, but it isn't helping at all.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I also understand what God is saying. His perspective is very different from yours because he has all the facts, you only have a few of the facts. So, I don't agree with your conclusions. I think you need to read the Bible and figure out just why God thinks and acts like he does. Frankly, you don't understand him. Trouble is, you don't understand yourself that well, either. Shall we end this conversation now? We have zero common ground.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 You tell me, why is God retarded or why does he do the shit he does? My guess is he is retarded. What is yours? You seem to be an expert, 40 fucking years, you better know every fucking answer to life.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 He's not retarded. If you were Richard I, King of England, and you were returning to reclaim your thrown, how would you pick your government? Your wife? You'd do it just like Richard in the old movie; you'd sneak into the country quietly and find out who was loyal for you while evil John still held power. You'd reveal yourself to them first. Those people believed in you because you were good, not because you were rich/powerful. Does that help you to understand his perspective?
alyosha24601 3 months ago
last i checked atheists don't kill people because they're atheists but religious people kill people because they're religious.
i've seen MANY "religious" people including christians who claim to be christ-like yet they laugh at the supposed misfortune of lost souls who, in their mind, are doomed to go to hell and burn for all eternity. who could laugh at such a thing if they believed it to be true?? i believe you religious folk call them satanists.
your entire video has just been defeated.
TheRaellz 6 months ago 7
@TheRaellz Point 1: Absolutely. Both religious people and atheists kill religious people and atheists. Point is - ALL people kill people. Point 2: I'm sure you have, yet all I can say is that this is not the biblical position. That position is that he doesn't want anyone going to hell, me either, for whatever that's worth. Point 3: My point is that atheists can be bad guys too, like the rest of us. Indeed, there is no logical reason within atheism to do anything good. Why are you mad at God?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 see you half had the message there for a moment then lost it again. i have nothing for or against god. never met him and i honestly don't believe anyone has had any experience with god personally. i believe, and some studies show, that what some people experience that they call god is just something overwhelming that we cannot understand consciously. chemicals released in the brain cause hallucinations. i know this first hand. (part1)
TheRaellz 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 think of it like how teenagers say they're in love but it's just an overwhelming feeling that they want to slap the word love onto because it's a powerful word for a powerful feeling.
you claimed that atheists can be bad too. well that's been a truth since long before religion. long before we had 'gods'. this reminds me of a famous quote about how good people do good things and bad people do bad things but for good people to do bad things that takes religion. (part2)
TheRaellz 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 i don't see atheists burning down churches or killing anyone because an imaginary father figure told them to do it. people are people it's as simple as that which is exactly why none of this can be isolated. every religion will have genuinely good people and psychopathic bad people. atheist, christian, musliam, hindu everything. PEOPLE are people. it has nothing to do with a logo. if it did then we'd see some sort of statistic difference separating religious people from doubters.
TheRaellz 6 months ago 2
@wutdaFU3K It's true but still, atheism cannot produce goodness. There is no logic behind atheism which would encourage improving one's character. Those who reject God still have to deal with selfish hearts, especially their own; we are still all selfish. Thanks for commenting.
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 " ... atheism cannot produce goodness. There is no logic behind atheism which would encourage improving one's character. " What garbage this is! Atheists are good for the sake of being good. The logic behind the behaviour is that we contribute to the moral fabric of the societies in which we live. We don't require intrinsic motivation other than an avoidance of incarceration. The motivation behind theists doing good is that they believe it provides them with a ticket to heaven.
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
@AtheistEutopia Atheists are good for the sake of being good? We must live on different planets. This week we watched selfish rioters destroy and steal. When do you ever observe benevolent rioters running around giving away their cash? Who is good? I'm not good; I constantly fight to make progress against myself. Every part of me is me-centered. My first thought is always "What will I get out of it". Even when I do something really unselfish, I regret it because of the loss of time or money!
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 The London riots are irrelevent to notions of atheism vs religion. I would challenge anyone to provide evidence that the religious do more good than atheists. Christians, particularly, are more public about the good they do but that doesn't mean they actually do more good than any others. I admire your honesty, but your narcisism is not relevent to the discussion.
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
@AtheistEutopia My point with the riots was not to claim Christians are better than atheists. It was to claim that ALL people are selfish - "bad" if you will. You put almost anyone in the right circumstances, and they'll murder children or whatever. I am challenging your contention that you are "good". Haven't you ever lied, stolen, craved something you shouldn't have, put yourself first? You don't do that sort of thing?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 The point of my reply was that there is no connection between religion and the London riots so your use of the sample study does not further any point you think you are making. I have had indiscretions in my lifetime but I could never be described as anything less than a good person.
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
@AtheistEutopia So, you weren't rioting?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 Humanism - only took one word to refute this time.
wutdaFU3K 6 months ago
Correlation does not imply causation.
-lol, one sentence can refute a whole video.
wutdaFU3K 6 months ago
No one "abandones god". God doesn't exist. There is no evidence for god and no logic behind a belief in a god. It is all a fairy story.
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
@AtheistEutopia That's right, no logic, no evidence. You're just meaningless goo passing through. After your death there will be no justice, and your conscience is just a product of random chemistry. Your personality, somehow that was random, too. Big bang came from nothing, but somehow the rules were violated just once. Fulfilled biblical prophecy - just a good guess. And all the information it took to make your DNA, that was really lucky wasn't it! And finally, the future is just hopeless...
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 I'm not meaningless goo, and religion isn't required for a meaningful life. There was no justice before my death so it's not an issue that there's none after. Consciousness has evolved and is not random. Personality is also a product of evolution. Does the Big Bang have rules? I'm not sure that we know yet. All the information in my DNA can be traced to other species, particularly other primates. Perhaps your future's hopeless but mine is very promising in the absence of religion.
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
@AtheistEutopia Evolution eh? Did you know it would take 600 perfect mutations of individual DNA base pairs per generation, & finding a mate with the same exact mutations, nothing selected out even though (none of the random events are initially perfect), no helpful mutation has ever been produced, to change from, say, a chimp, to a human in 2 million years? This in spite of the fact that the DNA we observe today is degrading at a rate that will bring human extinction in 100000 yrs?That's faith!
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 So you think believing in Iron Age fairy stories is a better alternative to accepting heavily scrutinised scientific fact that still has minor flaws?
AtheistEutopia 6 months ago
Atheism as well as religionists are responsible for the majority of killing and murder of human life. On the other hand, true Christian's are responsible for very few killings. There is a world of difference between religionists and true Christianity which the world fails to distinguish between.
BT3701 6 months ago
Yes, there is a difference between religious people. Some religions, like Islam & shamanism, are relatively violent because their religion moves them to initiate violence. Others, like Judiasm, Christianity, & Confucianism will respond with violence but not typically initiate it. I would personally put atheism in the first category, agnostics in the second. Atheists tend to be operating out of anger. Atheistic priests like Stalin, Mao, Kin Il Sung, Pol Pot, Robspierre, & Enver Hoxa are bad news!
alyosha24601 6 months ago
All people indulge in evil. Let's not pretend that religion is the sole problem. The trick is to divide power and maintain accountability because everybody's madness needs to be controlled. Keeping people accountable because they are inherently evil - not good - keeps them good! This is a biblical idea and it has kept dictatorship largely out of the protestant countries for years. If we go to another model, the ever-eager dictator will arrive!
alyosha24601 6 months ago