上古漢語中的數詞 the numerals in Old Chinese

[mount922]

弹舌并不稀奇，世界各地很多语言都有弹舌音

[JustinZhu1980]

我很好奇，为什么古汉语大舌颤音如此常见，后来却完全扔掉了？大­舌颤音后来转变成什么音了？

[cnstarfine]

上古汉语的发音把好多语言里的特色都集成了呢，哈哈，

[umekobucha005]

The pronunciations of Chinese characters in Japan were based on old Chinese that was used when they were transferred to Japan. So, some Japanese numbers resemble the above old Chinese ones. For example, Japanese pronounce two (二)　as "ni" and six (六) as ”roku”.

[hsu0319]

我的舌頭打結了=皿=~

[yukinkocat]

古い漢語や廣東語の音には現代日本語音と共通するものもあるな。

日本語では以下の如し：

ichi, ni , san , si , go , roku , sichi , hachi , ku ,zyu , hyaku, sen , man , oku , chou

[yaukwankiu]

廣東話，八係長音。

[tigerseye4]

does this mean chinese and thai are somewhat related?

i thought thai belongs to the autronesian family and mandarin is sino-tibetan ? confused :S

[superidnotego]

@tigerseye4 Thai borrowed a large number of vocabulary from Chinese, but they still belong to different language families, which is similar to Japanese and Korean.

[ofekzpeggy129]

@superidnotego not really...thai and chinese are both sino tibetan

[superidnotego]

@ofekzpeggy129 true. I was thinking of Vietnamese :p

[kanshucchi]

@tigerseye4 The both belong to the sino-tibetan language family.

[hamam1300]

難道上古音的捲舌有這樣誇張嗎??



[TheHaraboji]

chinese originated from SE asia. hahahha

[thezorroguy]

not a bit like Thai, but more like Khmer with the rolled sounds. Seems like Khmer was equally influenced by India and China. I'm a Gwai-loh in America, but I know Cantonese, Thai, Viet, and Khmer pretty well, and it sounds most like Khmer. Blew my mind. Thanks for posting this, wish the video was good for the first part.

[sangecoa]

我发现 R 和 L 在亚洲语言中 从古至今都很纠结 欧洲语言里面基本没这种问题 R 要么就像西班牙语R发音 要么就像英语R发音

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

I'm Hmong and I showed this to my parents and they say its related to Thai (Tai kadai language family)

Dongyi people might of spoken Austronesian or Tai Kadai language

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

This is not Dongyi language, this is ancient Huaxia language.

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheXanian The Shang Elites were not Huaxia, they were Dongyi lol

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

Shang also had wars with Dongyi, if Shang was Dongyi, why they were fighting against Dongyi?

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheXanian Xiongnu originated from Xia tribe, why were they fighting against the Zhou (Huaxia)?

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

There is no evidence to support that Xiongnu originated from Xia tribe.

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheXanian Well...there is evidence Xia people originated in the West where Xiongnu brothers live.- Cradle of Chinese Civilization did not come from the West but from the East.. Dongyi and Shang originated in the East.

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

Xia and Zhou were probably more closely related to Tibetan and Qiang.

Xiongnu is not related with Xia and Zhou.

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

Actually, there are some linguistic evidence to support that ancient Chinese was related to Tibetan. For example, the word for "sun" in Tibetan is "nyima"; in reconstructed ancient Chinese, the word for "sun" is "njit" or "njid". The word for "I" in Tibetan is "nga"; in reconstructed ancient Chinese, the word for "I" is also "nga".

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheXanian Consonants that come after vowels are the nasal “n” or “ng” and could be founded mostly people of the lower Yellow River, Yangzte River and some part of South China, such as Miao/Hmong, Shanghainese,Hakka Wu, Yue, Hoklo, Cantonese. -They all use the the "ng" sound.

Hunan and Hubei preserved the Ng sound and it was the Kingdom of Chu, where the Dongyi/Hmong originally from.

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

Sino-Tibetan languages also have the "ng" sound, it's not only restricted to Hmong-Mien languages. The "ng" sound cannot serve as a proof that ancient Chinese was related to Hmong-Mien. In fact, Hmong-Mien and Tai-Kradai are no longer classified as part of Sino-Tibetan, but Chinese is still classified as Sino-Tibetan. The similarities between ancient Chinese, Tai-Kradai and Hmong-Mien are probably due to loan words.

[TheXanian]

@QiLuHmongHeritage

Proto Sino-Tibetan language was probably originated from northwestern China some 5000 years before present. And then, this proto Sino-Tibetan language separated into two branches, one is Tibeto-Burmese, the other is Sinitic. The proto Sinitic peoples moved to the east, while proto Tibetans and proto Burmese moved to the west and to the south.

[QiLuHmongHeritage]

@TheXanian probably..??

[iHornyTroll]

@TheXanian sima qian's shiji stated their lineage from the last xia emperor probably took some people up with him when they went north. even my younger cousin's history said the huns/xiongnu were chinese (this is in america not ccp china)

[TheXanian]

@iHornyTroll

There is the possibility that Sima Qian might be wrong. From the ancient Chinese documents which recorded a few words of the Huns language, linguists consider that Huns language seems to be similar to Uralic or Altaic languages.

The existence of the Xia Dynasty is still not proven. The earliest proven Chinese dynasty is the Shang Dynasty.

[iHornyTroll]

@TheXanian In truth i think sino tibetan should be just sino. I'll send you a mongolian linguists report on sino languages. Also the old chinese used to worship tengri. Even huns had the same chinese concept of son of heaven.

[TheXanian]

@iHornyTroll

When did ancient Chinese worship tengri??? The reconstructed pronunciation of "sky" in ancient Chinese is "qhliin".

Anyway, I think that Huns and Mongols are not related to ancient Chinese.

[milvipes]

@TheXanian Tengri is known as 老天爺 in Chinese.

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

@milvipes the phrase 老天爺 appeared in Mandarine quite late. And, how would this phrase support the claim that ancient chinese people worshipped tengri?

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

@iHornyTroll I think it is more probable that huns borrowed the concept of heaven from ancient Chinese.

[jester010101]

很明顯朗讀廣州話的'三'(粵音'衫')變成(粵音'心') 

[Phead128]

It sounds similar to Cantonese.

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

@Phead128 not really. actually, it sounds like Thai.

[magical11]

@mvrukrvmqhvm Sounds like Vietnamese to me.

[gariadara]

@magical11 Vietnamese doesn't have the trilled R and it also doesn't have consonant clusters. This actually sounds more like Cambodian or something like that.

[ClassicHolic]

@mvrukrvmqhvm you're absolutely right

[GusCraigengower]

@mvrukrvmqhvm sounds a lil similar to cantonese too lool. but more so teochew (Min) and maybe Hakka? (Hakka-Gan) :P

i agree it sound liek thai though...maybe sounds like viet, n maybe other Mon Khmer langs as well?

[hardtogetausername]

@Phead128

are you kidding me?

[columbium013]

我操，上古汉语里还有大舌音，我就不信了~

[kyokushin1109]

满蒙征服中国后，用武力手段推广普通话，清初的中国人听不懂普通­­话，将普通话称为“官话”。章太炎先生就曾经批判过普通话，称­其­为“金鞑虏语”。普通话的英文是Mandarin(满清的)­。我­们现在说的普通话，连“你、我、他、您、吗、吧、了。。。­。”这­些最基本的词都是满语。汉语中的“你、我、他”为“尔、­吾、彼”­。

[worldwideracing]

@kyokushin1109

你就别编故事了。要说满清的语言应当和蒙古语或朝鲜语比较接近才­对。

根本不可能是普通话这问道。

这个所喂的古汉语不知道是那个客家或闽越一带的人胡诌出来的，我­到觉得这根本就是越南话。

[g9966338]

@worldwideracing

我覺得一個語言如果是活的,就會有變化

在歷史洪流,有多少能左右語言的史事不知凡幾....

[weishuyang]

@kyokushin1109

这位仁兄真幽默，别的不知到，但是最简单的人称，“我”，《诗经­》有曰 硕鼠硕鼠，无食“我”黍，莫非那个时代中原就有满大人了？ “你”来源就是 “尔”的古代发音，“尔”在口语中保持发音 读ni，但是读书音中已经发生变化都城了er，后人不辨才又造了­个“你”。

[harrison28514]

我有一点很疑惑，既然是上古汉语，能数到千就很了不起了，为什么­还要发明兆？兆因为太大即使是现代社会也很难遇到，更何况古人了­？

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

@harrison28514 古漢語“兆”是指一百萬，一百萬也不算是太大吧。“兆”可以用來­指人民的數量。

[59account]

無錯同普通話一樣

不過中原音有分2種南音及北音但大家文法一志

去查棚民話及客家話就知道了

[Cantonese2638]

你發粵語的'五'也不標準, 我確實聽到你發音是合口發音,真正是後鼻音,前鼻不會有震動

[weidyli]

its close to taishanese

[AmPeaceInHeart]

你如何知道上古音的呢，那個時候也沒有錄音機啊

[harrypotter271828]

@AmPeaceInHeart 請問我要笑的嗎?

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

@lyric60616 試問倘若沒有你所謂“不倫不類”的古音研究，你又是如何知道語言­是在變化的呢？你所謂“夏、商、周是不同種族”的論斷又有甚麼可­靠的依據，又多禁得起推敲呢？

[dereklai98]

我不信

[bettyxo11]

别挑战我的极限....

[ZephyrLi]

亂來

[ttomm133]

颤舌音好恶。。。

[Taiowan]

今之台湾語(口語)：

chit　nng　sann　si　go　lak　chhit　peh　kau　chap　pah　chhing　ban　ik　thiau

今之台湾語(文言)：

it　gi(li)　sam　su　ngo　liok　chhit　pat　kiu　sip　pik　chhen　ban　ik　thiau

[sidchuownz]

一億 = 100,000,000

[ysh23616702]

這個是下數數法

一億=100,000

[AmPeaceInHeart]

How you know these are ancient pronounciations?

[lingonetwothree]

好片

[InsaneBurger]

thanks u finished my homework

[mvrukrvmqhvm]

??? What do your mean? I finished your homework?

[Ginne86]

上古是指甚麼時候??

[wilfordjeng]

夏商周春秋戰國~

[vivien4200]

聲韻的上古漢語，指的範圍是商朝至漢朝時期的漢語

[zhouyan119]

太酷了。