Forgotten Miracle Trailer - 1960 U.S.A. Olympic Gold Medal Hockey Team Documentary

[MrJohnnyDistortion]

Awesome.Great post.Thank you.

[generalbullmoose]

RIP Roger Christian

[103Uke]

Just hear the doc, they basically said the best team they ever had was the 1960 team. The US uniforms didn't change much from the 60's to the 80's. The other countries did change for sure. I'm not putting down the 1980 team, they were given the victory on a silver platter, sure they played hard, but what happens when the best goalie in the game at that time is hooked?

You get a crappier goalie who couldn't stop a simple shot which was the game winner and flaunt about it years later. Simply luck

[103Uke]

You seem to forget that one team talks more than the other, name one team in hockey history took a tour of a whole country to show off their gold medals? None. Never meant that either, but since they talk and I've seen them talk btw as if their "W" is the greatest ever when they were just simply lucky just doesn't make since when they don't even admit they were lucky to have had the game given to them on a silver platter. Herb Brooks claimed they would have been in trouble if Tretiak stayed in.

[mapscannotcontainme]

I will say this, though. I do like the 1960 jerseys a little more than the 1980 ones. There a little more minimalist and classy, of course you can probably say that about early 1960s clothing in general vs early 1980s clothing.

[103Uke]

All that I'm saying is the 1960 team didn't agree to flaunt their victory. Plain and simple.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

Yes. You are, but by saying that you're also implying in that post and in others, that the 1980 team WAS flaunting their victory. You're doing more than just complimenting the 1960 team. You're taking a dig at the 1980 team, which, I feel, is unnecessary. If you want to say you think the 1980 team gets too much attention or the 1960 team gets too little attention, I agree. However, you're making implications about character of 1980 team players that I find off-putting and indefensible.

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme Try beating the greatest Russian coach of all time, a hall of famer in Anatoly Tarasov, who even changed the game itself with the conditioning that players have to do to keep fit, including his teams ahead of their times when they played games through their passing plays, etc... As a Cdn, I'll bow to them, but for the 1980 one what off-putting comments I made about them? It's fact that they flaunt their victory close 31 yrs ago, I'll say that about the 72 Cdn team, as well.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

If you claim they're bragging (which is essentially what flaunting is), then the onus is on you to prove it if you want people to believe it. Saying they flaunt their victory makes it sound like they tour the country showing off their gold medals. They don't do that. Sure, they're proud of their accomplishments and most of those guys will probably talk to people who want to know more about it, but there's a difference between all that and flaunting. 

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme The 1960 team did not flaunt even when they won gold, Jim Craig speaks about the 1980 victory all the time and he speaks for a living. Btw you can LIKE any team more than the other, as a fan you can. Just look at the 2002 and 2010 Olympics, for me I like the 02 team better cause they had a tougher time (50 yrs of pressure of not winning anything) of winning the gold, someone say in Vancouver for example thinks that the 2010 team is the best, because we won in o.t.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

I agree with you as well that the 1960 team didn't flaunt their victory. However, I disagree with you saying that Craig speaking about the experience and Eruzione writing a book about it qualify as flaunting. If Craig is a motivational speaker, he's probably being asked to come talk about it...and publishing an autobiography in which you discuss your achievements is not necessarily flaunting them. Flaunting, to me (and maybe I'm wrong) is akin to bragging and I don't think they were.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

I don't know that nobody from the 1960 didn't write an autobiography, but if they didn't, I don't know why. But writing an autobiography, doesn't amount to flaunting.

You can make anything, especially anything sports related, uninspiring in the context of more important things in life. That doesn't mean that sports related events outside of an external context aren't impressive. A group of college kids beating the best team in world on biggest stage in world is inspiring IMO.

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme Please, what's so motivating about someone talking about a historic sports upset to some who wants to off him/herself for example? Did the speaker tried to commit suicide prior tp becoming a speaker? Most likely not. What if the person who's going through personal problems don't care about the Olympics or even hockey for that matter to even listen. Sure it's inspiring in sports, but in life it dosen't fit. And that's not flaunting, even writing an autobi of a single match.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

It is motivating and people take inspiration from different things. It it motivationally applicable to sports, obviously, but people can take inspiration from sports and apply it if they find it relevant. It's about an attitude and hard work and belief in oneself and character and success in face of adversity. I already said, IMO at least, that sports accomplishments obviously pale in comparison to say Mendela taking on apartheid or something else incredibly important but thats just me

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme Character and succes in the face of adversity with that team? Russia GAVE them the victory, sure it was an upset, not gonna deny it, but the Soviets LET it happen. Tretiak was known for giving up goals, but he would come back strong, but he was pulled, even Herb Brooks couldn't believe it when it happened

he said "had Tikhonov not pulled him, we would have been in serious trouble". Tikhonov even said "it was the biggest mistake of my coaching career".

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

Yeah, Tikhonov shouldnt have pulled Tretiak, but there were still plenty of other long time members of the Soviet national team, the greatest team in the world at the time, and it's not like Tretiak's replacement, Myshkin, was a slouch or even an average goaltender by any means. And the Soviets didn't give the Americans anything. Don't demean their accomplishment. The Americans were better conditioned and played their asses off that day, but the Soviets still played hard.

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme You could also put in the fact that, a defenceman named Lutoshinko (sorry if I got his name wrong) was left off the team. Jim Craig runs a hockey school with him also, has told said many of times "if he was still on the team they would have won that game". Tikhonov got rid of a number of leaders off that team, starting with that great defenceman. Basically Tretiak was their leader, when he was pulled, it stunned the whole Soviet team. Had he stayed in, different outcome.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

Vladimir Lutchenko is the defenseman you're talking about, I think.

You can't really say for certain whether having Lutchenko for the team and Tretiak in the second half would have definitively won the Soviets the game. The Americans tied the Soviets going into the second half because they took the Americans for granted and then the Americans outplayed and outlasted them. Plus, Craig was an absolute beast that day, stopping something like 90% of the Soviet shots on goal.

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme Really, then why did the 1960 team not write an autobiography then? Jim Craig talks about it all the time as a motivional speaker, yet it's not inspiring when the ppl have more worse things to over come in life, than an upset in hockey by comparssion. Now those are flaunting, btw, you don't see Russian or Cdn players writing a books about one upset quite honestly.

[103Uke]

I'll say this, I like the 1960 team than the 1980 team...why? They don't flaunt it as much.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

Who do you mean by "they"? The 20 guys and 3 coaches that made up the 1980 US Olympic hockey team don't flaunt their accomplishments. They didnt lobby to have movies and documentaries made about them. Outsiders did that on their own.

I don't think you need to LIKE one team more than the other. You can if you want, but nobody is making you chose. Both teams were full of young athletic men who pulled off great upsets.

[103Uke]

@mapscannotcontainme I don't think flaunting has anything to do with "lobbying". Two movies have been done on the 1980 team and none for the 1960 team. The 1980 team gets invited to the White House, the 1960 team did not, the 1980 team lit the Olympic torch in 2002, the 1960 team did not. Did they complain out of all that? No. That's what it means to not flaunt.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

OK, we're disagreeing over your statement, "they dont flaunt it...". First, when you say flaunt, I think that carries a connotation of showing off yourself for admiration/envy/etc. I don't think any of the 1980 players have flaunted their accomplishment. That would be them flaunting. So, who do you mean by "they" and is "flaunt" really the right word? I don't think the 1980 team deserves less attention. I just think the 1960 team deserves more. There's a difference.

[mapscannotcontainme]

@103Uke

[] OK...humble []

Yes, you meant the 1960 team but by saying the 1960s team didnt flaunt their achievement (which I agree with you about), I think you were trying to imply that the 1980s team did flaunt theirs (which I disagree with you about).

[] BTW, it's "YOU"...not "WE'RE" []

By "we're", I meant that you and I seemed to disagree over the validity of what you're saying, not that I speak on behalf of anybody. This is just my opinion. Sorry for confusion.

[Pensfan3566]

this proves the US CAN do enything

[WhiteWesWelker]

I am a Lake Placid guy.....

1960 damn.... IMPRESSIVE

[znogypogy]

under appreciated for sure just 9000 views-shame. there's guys getting more views for acting like total asses. can't remember where i picked this up but, i heard or read somewhere herb brooks was the last player cut from this team ?

[maggsterrrrr]

1980, 1960! :) YES!!!! :) USA, USA. maybe we'll again sometime soon!

[whitey0123456789]

@maggsterrrrr It shoulda been in 2002, to keep the 20 year tradition going... 2010 was almost our year, too. Maybe in Russia: 2014

[JoeVideoed]

I'd heard about this but only got the barest of details. Glad someone made a film out of it; hope to see it sometime.

[TheFlo8]

My great uncle played for that team ( Weldon Olson) where I live him and his brothers are ledgens.

[am0869]

I happen to meet Cleary at a party in Florida last winter and he told me about the game known as the 'Forgotton Miracle'. How did I not know about this game? They were forgotton heros and now it's time for all of us to remember what true spirit is all about.

[bruinsrock5050]

The CLEARY BROTHERS are my grandpa's

[mrpixelz]

This was a wonderful tribute to a great moment in U.S. history....especially because of the boastful & threatening posture of the U.S.S.R. at that time. I had opportunity to manage Blythe Arena in the early 70s, prior to it's collapse under snow load (now a parking lot for the resort/ski lift). Watching the Winter Olympics this week, I am even more appreciative today than I was back then. I have forwarded this along to my 7 Grandsons to view. Thanks for making sure this team is never forgotten.

[xchekker94]

Two of the men on the 1960 team were brothers, Bill and Roger, with the last name, Christian. Bill's son Dave, was a member of the 1980 team. How about THAT? One family, THREE gold medals from two different USA teams.

[alicefay]

Part of it might have been that there was just not the communications in 1960 that there was in 1980 and later. Things like the Olympics were usually shown on the 10:00 news, not on prime time.

[TheFlo8]

Weldy Olson is my great uncle hes pretty cool

[lorenwhite]

I was wondering why no one ever talked about this day.. after seeing on wikipedia that we also won 1960 and never heard anything about it was unsettling.

I'm glad this movie was made!

[usopen95]

USA ALL THE WAY!!!!!!