Yes.. If Avatar would be so superior as it was hyped... it is should have it's own soundeffects... this is just shows what I have tought. Avatar is just a bullshit, overhyped sh*t.
Considering that the sound effects are just doctored sounds found in the real world (such as pig squels, walrus barks and I dunno probably Frank Welker) chances are people are going to come across similar sounds if not the same. A lot of films and TV shows share the same sound libraries. I've heard the sounds of the ghostbusters proton packs and streams used in other stuff - which is sacreligious to me - but it happens... in fact chances are they were used in something else even before that.
I´m not 100% sure about this one, although I get your point.
But for me there is a sound that was made by the T Rex when it was like dying or beeing tranquilized that is just used EVERYWHERE today whenever there is some other beast in other movies. Has anyone else noticed this?
Indeed- sound effects creators sell their sounds to movies. You will hear MANY sound effects (especially the traditional cat scream in garbage cans) played in different movies. Don't worry, they bought them. :P
I remember when I first saw that scene from avatar at the cinema I immediately recognised the raptor sound. It really is obvious as he'll isn't it! I thought James Cameron has a budget the size of the UK economy!!
it appears not many of the people commenting know much about film sound design so I'll try and clear up some stuff regarding these two movies. Ken Fischer and Chris Boyes were sound effects editors/designers on Jurassic park and also Avatar. They simply made the creative choice to implement the same sound effects in both situations. It's more common than you might think. For a more obvious example search youtube for "wilhelm scream"
@ScottBowenAudio It's incredibly common, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I'm a sound designer myself, and this movie pissed me off with what a terrible job they did. To put that much time, money and effort into every other aspect of the film and then slap a bunch of crap pre-made SFX in it seems cheap and corny to me. I'm not saying I hated Avatar (rather enjoyed it) and the sound design on JP is legend, so it's just all the more confusing how they'd crap out so bad here.
I should clarify...that they slap in pre-made SFX is crap, not that the SFX themselves are terrible. I'm just tired of 'cut from library, paste to movie' being acceptable. I get that there is a huge time constraint, but with something this big they should make the time to be more creative with it. When the general public notices the copy-paste, you know it's bad.
@thelizardofodd Just because James Cameron had a large budget doesn't mean that he's not trying to be careful about the costs, and getting new sound effects costs a lot extra, expecially if they hire someone to do it, which is common. Also, it would not make sense to spend the money to create new sounds if they have sounds that are exactly what they are looking for!
@ScottBowenAudio It IS pretty common, but usually it seems to be more a case of laziness than something like this (which is pretty obviously a reference to their older work). One good example of what I mean is that whenever you see some rugged mountain shot, usually you'll hear the stereotypical "bald eagle" screech. It's ALWAYS the same one, and IIRC, the clip used is not even a bald eagle but a hawk.
@ScottBowenAudio That being said, the inclusion of those sound effects falls upon one man's shoulders: James Cameron. For the amount of time he spends reminding us how revolutionary he is, he has no qualms and no shame about borrowing, not just sound effects, but ICONIC sound effects.
@ScottBowenAudio It's common to implement an audio cliche, but when it comes to creating a unique environment with new creatures, regardless the tie Ken and Chris had with JP, they should've been more original. As an audio engineer, it really took me out of the immersion every time those SFX kept popping up. IMO I think they went a little overboard.
@ScottBowenAudio "They simply made the creative choice to implement the same sound effects in both situations." Well, in my opinion, that's not creative. In fact, its the exact opposite. It's one thing with the wilhelm scream, most humans sound somewhat similar. But Avatar's version of horses and Jurassic Park's Velociraptors are two entirely different creatures. Frankly, this is an insult to Velociraptors. For such a creative and expensive film, they easily could have used more creative sounds.
I enjoyed Avatar, but i couldn't help feeling they cheaped out sooo much. They have a HUGE budget; what the hell posessed them to use Jurassic Park noises, the plot for Dances With Wolves and the trailer music from Mass Effect?
i'm not gonna lie, i was such a big fan of Avatar but after time i realized how much i hated it... the steal noises and use cgi for everything.....idk i just have a hate for it now
i bet this is just a thing to catch the peoples attention to the film. i mean the film was decent but i can name better ones! the goodness of the movie is not the reason it has already made 2.7 billion.
@Kutulhu well.....yeah, and since you bring it up, every time I hear it, I'm completely taken out of whatever it is. Suspension of disbelief flies out the window on a rocket-assisted zipline. It's like it's some sort of inside joke in Hollywood. "Hey, you know what would be hilarious? Let's use the Wilhelm scream in this scene." Well I'm not laughing. The Avatar stuff...meh, sounds a lot alike, yeah, may even be from the same source, but it's not nearly as obvious unless you're looking for it.
after hearing the first avatar animals i was like wtf.. why does that so familiar
ebos89 1 week ago
Thanator roars were basically just shorter version of the T. rex roar from JP
tklarenbeek1 2 weeks ago
Too much of a coincidence
rathianhunter98 3 weeks ago
I noticed that the first time i watched avatar. but what ever all that means is that jurassic park was good enough to steal from lol
randomstuff2327 3 months ago
Avatar jealous because jurassic park has better sounds
BattlefieldSWATTeam 3 months ago
yep
i heard
and th T-Rex roar was used too
DrZen007 4 months ago 2
@DrZen007 right !!
serverlala 2 months ago
They also used the t-rex roar for the thanator during in one of the trailers.
Minute158 4 months ago
Facilities do not create sound, people do!
Minicat99 4 months ago
ALL HAIL GARY RYDSTROM and THE MIGHTY SYNCLAVIER!!
Minicat99 4 months ago
And Jurassic Park "stole" sounds from Star Wars (banthas become Dinos)
TheNicholasBrothers 4 months ago
Now I know I'm not the only one who heard Jurassic park sounds in Avatar.
fendergab 5 months ago
im glad someone caught that
mzola22 5 months ago
hey.... they both stole it from a real animal, think of that.
alienjoe123 6 months ago 3
@alienjoe123 what animal was that?
mavrick45 5 months ago
@mavrick45 dunno, but most the sounds in the dinosaur documentaries are based off living animals.
I believe its some kind of penguin. but don't quote me.
alienjoe123 5 months ago
theres also some mammal mixed into it, sounds like a horse.
alienjoe123 5 months ago
Yeah yeah but seriously avatar is a movie ???
snipedog 6 months ago
What the hell is moop?
mchilly07 6 months ago
avatar is nothing but a ripoff of furngully
wolfin22 6 months ago
They spend so much in visual effects that they had to save in sound effects!
danielborges69 6 months ago
They didn't stole only that sound. I heard JP sounds three or four times in the movie.
danielborges69 6 months ago
Yes.. If Avatar would be so superior as it was hyped... it is should have it's own soundeffects... this is just shows what I have tought. Avatar is just a bullshit, overhyped sh*t.
SylverRaptor 6 months ago
basterds!
kidkoy111 7 months ago
Avatar predator Thanator roarind like T-Rex from Jurassic park
DjamshutPsih 7 months ago
Thank goodness some one elese hears them!! Ever time I watch this movie people think im crazy when I piont it out But Im Right!!!
winniethethrough 8 months ago
Avatar stole the Raptor and the T.Rex sound!! Avatar you bastard of a film!! Jurassic Park will never be beaten by this film!
The1979Warriors 10 months ago
Considering that the sound effects are just doctored sounds found in the real world (such as pig squels, walrus barks and I dunno probably Frank Welker) chances are people are going to come across similar sounds if not the same. A lot of films and TV shows share the same sound libraries. I've heard the sounds of the ghostbusters proton packs and streams used in other stuff - which is sacreligious to me - but it happens... in fact chances are they were used in something else even before that.
mattburkey 10 months ago
the thing big hairless cat thing that chased after them had the t rex roar
MsAmber626 10 months ago
FOOOLS! JP ALL THE WAY.
itsmariahx 11 months ago
and james camron is asshole he riped off halo
randomguyodst46 11 months ago
wait james camron helped steven spielberg to make jurassic park have you ever watched the making of jurassic park?
randomguyodst46 11 months ago
Its called being cheap and lazy.
kwelboss 11 months ago
Glad to know I wasn't the only one that noticed. But anyway who cares? they're both great movies.
Virgil077 11 months ago
I´m not 100% sure about this one, although I get your point.
But for me there is a sound that was made by the T Rex when it was like dying or beeing tranquilized that is just used EVERYWHERE today whenever there is some other beast in other movies. Has anyone else noticed this?
TheMajin7 11 months ago
Indeed- sound effects creators sell their sounds to movies. You will hear MANY sound effects (especially the traditional cat scream in garbage cans) played in different movies. Don't worry, they bought them. :P
Salivize 11 months ago
don't forget the "big alien panther"...it growls like jp's t-rex!!!
Fuffyl 11 months ago
If it wasn't mentioned, you forgot the "Thanator" tyrannosaurus rex.
MammothProductionInc 1 year ago
omg i noticed this too; im glad someone else did haha
Shelbyeng 1 year ago
avatar was just cheep shit all the way around i hate that movie
kickassguitarist 1 year ago
"Timmy...What is it!" "It's a Velociraptor!"
Xideonus 1 year ago
That was the only thing that was disturbing me a LITTLE bit. But only for a short time. Avatar rocks!
Mables811 1 year ago
wold be epic if thise avatars wold ride the raptors
raimonlolwow 1 year ago
Whoa they actually admit that they borrowed this sound from Jurassic Park in the extra features of the extended Blu-Ray!
Jort007 1 year ago
@Jort007 well it was too obvious tof them to try and conceil it to be honest. if they had, they would have looked dishonest
GreaseLightning02 1 year ago
Also, the Thanator has the same roar as the T-Rex..
Jort007 1 year ago
I remember when I first saw that scene from avatar at the cinema I immediately recognised the raptor sound. It really is obvious as he'll isn't it! I thought James Cameron has a budget the size of the UK economy!!
PillowSmash 1 year ago
I noticed that as soon as i heard it! lol
jrodcanshred 1 year ago
it appears not many of the people commenting know much about film sound design so I'll try and clear up some stuff regarding these two movies. Ken Fischer and Chris Boyes were sound effects editors/designers on Jurassic park and also Avatar. They simply made the creative choice to implement the same sound effects in both situations. It's more common than you might think. For a more obvious example search youtube for "wilhelm scream"
Regards, scott
ScottBowenAudio 1 year ago 52
not surprising both of them work at Skywalker Sound where both movies were done.
ScottBowenAudio 1 year ago
@ScottBowenAudio It's incredibly common, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I'm a sound designer myself, and this movie pissed me off with what a terrible job they did. To put that much time, money and effort into every other aspect of the film and then slap a bunch of crap pre-made SFX in it seems cheap and corny to me. I'm not saying I hated Avatar (rather enjoyed it) and the sound design on JP is legend, so it's just all the more confusing how they'd crap out so bad here.
thelizardofodd 1 year ago
I should clarify...that they slap in pre-made SFX is crap, not that the SFX themselves are terrible. I'm just tired of 'cut from library, paste to movie' being acceptable. I get that there is a huge time constraint, but with something this big they should make the time to be more creative with it. When the general public notices the copy-paste, you know it's bad.
thelizardofodd 1 year ago
@thelizardofodd Just because James Cameron had a large budget doesn't mean that he's not trying to be careful about the costs, and getting new sound effects costs a lot extra, expecially if they hire someone to do it, which is common. Also, it would not make sense to spend the money to create new sounds if they have sounds that are exactly what they are looking for!
kanid3942 1 year ago
@ScottBowenAudio It IS pretty common, but usually it seems to be more a case of laziness than something like this (which is pretty obviously a reference to their older work). One good example of what I mean is that whenever you see some rugged mountain shot, usually you'll hear the stereotypical "bald eagle" screech. It's ALWAYS the same one, and IIRC, the clip used is not even a bald eagle but a hawk.
siukong 1 year ago
@ScottBowenAudio That being said, the inclusion of those sound effects falls upon one man's shoulders: James Cameron. For the amount of time he spends reminding us how revolutionary he is, he has no qualms and no shame about borrowing, not just sound effects, but ICONIC sound effects.
NeroBlack2200 1 year ago
@ScottBowenAudio It's common to implement an audio cliche, but when it comes to creating a unique environment with new creatures, regardless the tie Ken and Chris had with JP, they should've been more original. As an audio engineer, it really took me out of the immersion every time those SFX kept popping up. IMO I think they went a little overboard.
joellouisfire 7 months ago
@ScottBowenAudio You, sir, are smarter than most youtubers.
BikerRussell 6 months ago
@ScottBowenAudio ALL HAIL SKYWALKER SOUND
ChrisHamer09 4 months ago
@ScottBowenAudio "They simply made the creative choice to implement the same sound effects in both situations." Well, in my opinion, that's not creative. In fact, its the exact opposite. It's one thing with the wilhelm scream, most humans sound somewhat similar. But Avatar's version of horses and Jurassic Park's Velociraptors are two entirely different creatures. Frankly, this is an insult to Velociraptors. For such a creative and expensive film, they easily could have used more creative sounds.
atrizzleness 1 month ago 2
i love the velociraptors
SharkKid42 1 year ago
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TheColombianOne 1 year ago
WTF
Damn they gotta steal everthing
Fu#k you James Cameron
lolo9819 1 year ago
I enjoyed Avatar, but i couldn't help feeling they cheaped out sooo much. They have a HUGE budget; what the hell posessed them to use Jurassic Park noises, the plot for Dances With Wolves and the trailer music from Mass Effect?
flurble33 1 year ago
i'm not gonna lie, i was such a big fan of Avatar but after time i realized how much i hated it... the steal noises and use cgi for everything.....idk i just have a hate for it now
dekon13 1 year ago
There's another thing that sounds like T-Rex in Avatar.
ThePeregrinestar 1 year ago
@ThePeregrinestar yes i thought the same, its the when that black thing is chasing jack sully in the begining .
lilbluecar89 1 year ago
Dude, if they're both from Hollywood, it's not stealing. I'm glad you noticed that, though.
phenixofroses 1 year ago
Jurassic Park is, was, and always will be, superior to Avatar.
matt484991 1 year ago 128
@matt484991 Best statement I've heard in a long time brother!!
McBren 1 year ago
@matt484991 you said it brother
JParkL0v3r 1 year ago
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JaminKoehn 1 year ago
@matt484991 Sadly, Jurassic Park (the movie, that is) was pretty shallow. The only thing that it has over any other movie were the dinosaurs.
Some people prefer a deeper plot than what JP brought to the table.
JaminKoehn 1 year ago
thats not called 'stealing' ...
Terneyah 1 year ago
@Terneyah True. That is just called "another reason why Avatar sucked big balls".
chemudas 1 year ago
i thought it was obvious the first time i saw it
chris122333u 1 year ago
does everything from Avatar come from another film?
hackensac 1 year ago
@hackensac Absolutely. :) Avatar is like 10 movies ripped into pieces and mixed together. And some still call this the best movie ever. LOL-(illpop).
chemudas 1 year ago
yeah the sounds were a little to close it was kind of disappointing.
dooditzdaniee 1 year ago
i bet this is just a thing to catch the peoples attention to the film. i mean the film was decent but i can name better ones! the goodness of the movie is not the reason it has already made 2.7 billion.
tohtorigyro 1 year ago
By this logic, I guess every film with the Wilhelm scream stole that too.
Kutulhu 1 year ago
@Kutulhu well.....yeah, and since you bring it up, every time I hear it, I'm completely taken out of whatever it is. Suspension of disbelief flies out the window on a rocket-assisted zipline. It's like it's some sort of inside joke in Hollywood. "Hey, you know what would be hilarious? Let's use the Wilhelm scream in this scene." Well I'm not laughing. The Avatar stuff...meh, sounds a lot alike, yeah, may even be from the same source, but it's not nearly as obvious unless you're looking for it.
danieldeibler 1 year ago
omg i knew it as soon as i saw the film and this kinda proves it lol they didnt even try and change it
rasspliffari 1 year ago