Why should young people have to pay more I work all the time and over two hundred and fifty dollars is taken from me a week from my check. That's is absolute bullshit. Why should someone over 21 not be taxed as much. Lol that's not rigjt
Juvenile crime has been on the decline since the early 90s. So has teen driving deaths. Kids don't need to be out late unless they have someone to be approed by their parents. Some of these cerfew laws are insane, but they get these punks that commit crimes off the streets.
BTW car crashes is the #1 killer of teens. The number has declined in resent years and stricter laws to get license is one reason.
@billybassman21 No, stricter laws are not one reason. This decline (I assume you are talking about the US?) has been paralleled in other age groups as well, which would not occur if your hypothesis was correct.
Your post is an example of irrational anti-youth bias that pervades our society.
"It's this generation that is going to have to bare the burden of this debt, and we should have a voice [and vote]." /// So he wants to increase that debt even more by giving youth the right to vote? Does he know that youths typically vote for more spending and higher taxes (youth are mostly liberal)? How exactly does increasing the debt help youths?
Whaa? They don't take a stance on age of consent? That's unfortunate. I hope they decide to eventually take a stance, though given Nadel's views on giving parents rights to raise youth without government interference, I'm not quite sure I would agree. It's the child's life, not the parents'.
@VegasBilgeRat Yep, but how to draft a good anti-moron test? Ivy leage colleges are full of obama loving professors, and IQ test also dont measure intelligence. I personally know people who are great in math, I mean basic math not einstein stuff, the point is they would score more then me in IQ test, but they got a huge problem with rational thinking ... even sense of humor
I got my permit at 14 years of age, and remember that it was the young people who were getting into horrific wrecks. Kids brains aren't mature enough to drive, for the most part. My school mates were the ones who were binge drinkers, too. I don't know adults who drank like that.
wow, any remotely good-looking woman makes it a video and the whole reason comment board wants to circle jerk their intellectual boners. some of y'all need some more interaction with members of the opposite gender
I say if someone wants to vote they can regardless of their age, but they should be required to pass a test to prove they actually know some things about politics. There are too many morons who vote without knowing anything.
@HungryDingo I would agree about the fact that there are voters with a lack of knowledge, but I think there is a danger in having a voter test that is created and approved by the State. Could you imagine the questions that might be on there? Such as: Marijuana users should be: a) Jailed; b) fined; c) left alone. Can you guess which answer the government will say is wrong?
@dachickenman Yeah, there is some potential for abuse such as that but if it left out opinions and stuck asking what candidates stances are on the issues it could be relatively fair. I wouldn't support something like this normally but there are just so many stupid, stupid people who have the dumbest opinions on things yet all you hear is everyone else saying "please go out and vote!". If you need encouraging from a celebrity to vote, you probably shouldn't vote at all.
@HungryDingo My question is if a democracy can be redeemed at all in this matter. Will it not always result in a tyranny of the majority (or perhaps a well-funded and organized minority)?
One sure-fire way to stick the last dagger right into the heart of America and twist it is to lower the voting age even further.
These young people in the video seem very intelligent and responsible. But one thing they're STUPID about is failing to recognize that they are an ANOMALY.
Most young Americans today do not look or talk anything like these people. Most of them have their head so far up their ass they can't see the light of day.
With voting comes RESPONSIBILITY. That requires WISDOM.
My kids are 18 and 19, responsible and would like to meet other young people. They should be allowed to go to bars and meet like-minded friends. Otherwise... they gotta go hang out in the dark in the park? What the heck!
I was an advanced child/teen. As such I knew enough to realize that most of my so-called peers were not equipped to understand or to bother to understand politics. A truly informed 16 year old is not the norm. Sorry, it just isn't. Scientifically speaking, the adolescent brain is still developing and frontal cortex isn't even complete until the early 20s, particularly in boys. That being said, increasing the recruitment age instead of lowering the drinking age is more scientifically sound.
@EffieReal Of course the malleability of the underdeveloped teenage brain was once a part of the formula for creating certain types of behaviors amongst the enlisted. Nowadays, the modern armed forces require more independent thought and decision making due to encumbering rules of engagement foisted on them by the nwo bureaucrats in charge. Simultaneously, our teenagers are less mature than their predecessors as their lives are more akin to a prolonged adolescence than an early adulthood.
Young people are obviously as smart, responsible, and as and experienced as older people. They don't really need parents any more either. Young people should have all the rights and none of the responsibilities of anyone else in America. Just as the youth rioting in London proved this past week.
I think that 16 year olds "CAN" be smart enough to vote, but nearly all of them are going to public schools run by the government. I think it's a danger to have government have that much influence over an entire group who will be voting. However, the young do need to better organize and stand up for their rights. Out of all people, their rights get trampled on the most and they're the ones paying with their lives!
Just remember boy's and girls, Uncle Sam is the Man, and the Man has a plan!
What you should do for your own benefit, is figure out what that plan is, and what are the end results, and who benefits mostly or totally from these actions?
My father taught me, 2 things I have hung on to. (1):Bullshit is Cheap! and (2:)Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. There is a lot of Bullshit floating around out there. Learn how to filter it all out as it goes in one ear and out the other.
This guy thinks teenagers who work and pay income tax qualifies as "taxation without representation"... That's bullshit. If he were correct, child-hood stars would necessarily be guaranteed the right to vote. And if we extend the argument a bit futher, any type of employment by children of any age would guarantee them the right to vote. Recognize the irrational basis to his argument.
@DOHC2L Age is no clear indication of intelligence. Would this small amount of people voting be such a bad thing? How about we don't tax anyone under 18 period, for anything. I mean if you you care what we have to say, why do you want our money? Would Justin Beiber or the kid from 2 and a half men voting have as much effect as them not paying income tax? What qualifies Paris Hilton to vote? 100% of people don't even vote, do you believe this subset will have anymore likelihood to vote?
@polevaultrockstr Did I say anything about intelligence? Nope. Did I say anything about wanting adolescents to work? Nope. Did I say anything about not wanting adolescents to work? Nope. I merely extended the argument the person in the video gave... to show the irrationality of his logic. So, if you want to argue those facts, you must answer all those rhetorical questions you asked me.
Saying "age is no clear indication of intelligence" is naive - Age correlates to intelligence, Duh...
One monolithic point that's conveniently ignored...
As for lowering the voting age, it has already been proven that young people are positively the MOST GULLIBLE AND NAIVE VOTERS. They are the most susceptible to the cheap demagoguery peddled by the liberal Democrats---the very ones who over tax us, stifle the economy with regulation, and destroy our social fabric. YOUNG VOTERS ARE WHO GAVE US BARACK OBAMA!
Libertarians: Pull your heads out of your asses. Your ideology blinds you to reality.
@UncleIrv And the largest lobby in the country is AARP. The young are dumb, and the old are the ones strong arming them around. See the real issue here?
Are young people being treated like the mentally and physically immature people they are?
"Equality" sounds beautiful, but throwing it around at anything that moves is just ridiculous. I wouldn't treat a 16 year old boy as I would a 30 year old man. Is that discrimination? Yes, and it bloody well makes sense.
@RJhasFLOW Some people grow up to be 30 and still act as physically immature people. This "One Sizes Fits All" viewpoint on young adults and their maturity certainly isn't helping to remedy the situation.
@DroidEntertainment You're absolutely correct. One size does not fit all. A man of 30 can be as immature as a child of 16. That being said, a child of 16 is literally still physically and mentally maturing while the mind of a 30 year old has stopped. We aren't raising the voting age due to immature adults, but it makes no sense to make it open to people still mentally developing.
@RJhasFLOW .......the young and gullible are the easiest targets! My father had me at 12 years old, driving him around N. Texas, and S. Oklahoma, overhauling cars under a shaded tree, and hauling hay and chopping wood. And at reaching 18 talked me into enlisting into the USMC and an eye opening vacation in S.California.
Get wisdom, and learn as fast as you can while young, be observant and watch the actions of a person, and see if that person walks-the-walk, and not just talks-the-talk.
@007HubbaBubba "Get wisdom, and learn as fast as you can while young, be observant and watch the actions of a person, and see if that person walks-the-walk, and not just talks-the-talk."
It's truly ironic that sex offenders & their potential victims alike are being branded with the scarlet letter on their driver's licenses. Curfews, the current drinking age, and the graduated license programs are definitely bullshit and need to be done away with. But the voting thing I don't know about. It seems that due to the current techniques of social control in place in the U.S. that rely on manipulating various animal instincts, which 16 year olds are more susceptible to, it's a bad idea.
"Taxation without representation". Funny. Translated into reality: "It is moral for government to put a gun to our necks and steal our money as long as they claim to represent our interests whether we want them to or not."
I'd say drinking age stays 21. VOTING age goes to 21 or even 25. I think you NEED real world experiences under your belt before being allowed to vote. Each vote is powerful. Make sure the person voting knows what it really means.
I can agree with almost everything besides the drinking ages. The main reason the drinking age is 21 is due to the fact that most studies show that you're done developing around that age and that drinking (excessively) can have adverse effects. Then again people below 21 drink anyways and I wouldn't mind having dumb drunk 18 year old bitches to fuck.
@Ickeriss69 But that misses the more underlining question of is setting the drinking age effective? As 90% of high schools say they have being drink, can we say it is working in any way. If you asked a group of people that where 25+ if that had a drink in the last 4 years, would you think it to be higher then 90%? Read The Legal Drinking Age: Science vs. Ideology. It shows several study with negative connection between youth drinking and high drinking age.
Hopefully a similar group will arise in the UK soon.Considering myself to be an Anarchist,I never have voted and never will,but there are stupid laws regarding young people,in both the US and the UK,and if I absolutely have to see things from a point of view where hierarchy doesn't bother me,young people should be given more of a voice and right to vote and more freedom.That's why I'm an Anarchist.It's all about the freedom,man.
@LZJoZ young people the right to vote? The majority of them who are so easily led by trends they change identity several times a year? who only listen to the last months music? Anarchy is freedom? Anarchy is Mad Max not people living in hippy communes. Someone has to pursue a direction or nothing gets done.
@Vetis213 I'm not sure I like your tone,son.In an Anarchist Society,hierarchy would be non-existent.Get your head out the TV and into the world.It's hierarchy that wages wars and tells people what they can and can't do."Someone has to pursue a direction or nothing gets done."That sounds like you're suggesting that you need a hierarchy(A bunch of corrupt men in suits and ties)to manage everything.Sounds more like:"I can't be bothered to live for myself,so I'll let someone else do it for me."
@LZJoZ Anarchy is a system where the man with biggest gun rules all. It's a really shitty system. Yes, government has no place in non-protective services (makes laws on prohibition, civil services, welfare, etc.) but government does have a place. There is a point where more freedom means that you get less freedom in the long run(when you have the freedom to take over other people's lives, for instance). Courts, Police, and Military; those are the proper roles of government.
@CHUCKLZLORD You've made a common error.Anarchism has nothing to do with having the biggest set of guns(With the Second Amendment over in America,that's pretty much what it is now).Anyone who tried to take advantage in an Anarchist Society would be punished.Also,it's hierarchy Anarchism targets.An Anarchist Society would have a form of government.I can't understand why people are satisfied with a hierarchy when it has too many faults.Who do you think has the right to take over people's lives?
@LZJoZ And who would punish him? When I say biggest guns, I don't mean literally, but more as an analogy. If a man decided to create a gang and control an entire city, there would be no stopping him, not if he had enough power. Governments purpose is to keep a check and balance, to stop the rights of the people only where they intersect with others rights. Anarchy would only work in small, consensual groups, same as communism, where the number is small and betrayal is difficult.
@CHUCKLZLORD That's why an Anarchist society would have a form of government.The governments we have now are hierarchies,levels of power and control that vary in stages.My answer to your question is the government would punish him.As I said,it's the idea of hierarchy that Anarchism targets.A lot of non-Anarchists(And some Anarchists)mistake that it's all about scrapping government and putting the country into citizen control.It's not.It's hierarchy.The only thing that controls lives is hierarchy
@LZJoZ Government and anarchy do not coexist. you are not an Anarchist if you want any form of government. Anarchy literally refers to the lack of any government. And what's this hierarchy thing you're on about?
@LZJoZ The definition of Anarchy: a. absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
But hey, who needs to use the words as they are defined. Just make up you own meaning for words and expect people to accept then with your new definitions. Maybe you are a libertarian socialist with your views, but not an Anarchist.
@Loathomar Ah,yes.Shove the dictionary down my throat."A state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority."That part was high-jacked.Has been for ages.People think that the government is the key to humanity's survival,but it's not.Before the government,there were Kings and Queens.Before them,tribal leaders.Anarchism is a fresh start.Tabula rasa.You're so like a theist."It's in the book so it's right."Seems the Dictionary is just another Bible for atheists.
@LZJoZ Yes, the dictionary defines works. If you can uses words as defined, use other words, you freaking moron. I mean if I want to redefine the work shove to mean "kindly inform someone about", you statement no long means the same thing. Do thing enough and we are speaking to different languages, but without knowing it. Redefine words makes languages meaningless and it is not my fault you can't use words they way they are defined or fine other words that describe you meaning as defined.
@Loathomar I don't know what the fuck you just said,but I get a sense that we're drifting off topic.The point I'm making is that you can't treat the dictionary like the Bible.Not all words defined by the dictionary are right.So,you fraking moron,when you're ready to have a proper discussion with me and not get all "The dictionary says this" feel free to come on back.Oh,and learn how to type.
I would say they might be but its not a huge concern right now there are far more import things than this. This would be a waste of my time debating these issues.
For me, I started paying attention to politics when I was about 13 or 14, but then I would have voted for whoever my parents supported. When I was 15 and a half was when I became a libertarian, although i was surrounded by liberal teaches and conservative family members. Every other 16 year old is liberal or this 'moderate' thing
this is a republic, not a democracy. people should have to own (loan paid in full) land/house or pass an economics test to vote. also, no one is forcing people under the age of 21 to join the military, it's a volunteer army. they pick this dude up for amateur hour or something?
@zempire Ya, F the poor! Cause the US is already the least socialistic state in the developed world, if only we could take away the poor's right to vote. I historically, we have not been a volunteer military during war times. The civil war, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam all had drafts. It would seem a reasonable argument if there was a ban on drafting anyone under 21, but as is it seems stupid. I am not sure where they got this guy, but you are just a moron.
@Loathomar I repeat, this is a republic not a democracy, maybe you don't understand that. No where did I say F the poor lol. I said put a qualifier on voting, be it being successful enough to own property or pass an economics test as it isn't good for the country if leeches of the government or stupid people are voting. Right now we have a volunteer military, and the US is a very socialistic state. You should keep up with the times instead of pretending it is nearly half a century ago.
@zempire How is not allowing anyone without the money to own there own home not F'ing the poor. So, a child of a rich family who get a home can vote, but the man who work hard, but who parents are poor so he must take care of them and so can afford a home does not, seems reasonable right. Not own a home is often true of people that are highly educated too. An MD will have no really way to own a home before 35 on there own. They can save your life, but they aren't good enough to vote?
And I never said you where a republican, just a moron. And yes, the US is least socialistic state in the developed world. Name developed countries without national health care? How about a developed country with a higher percentage of workers over 65? What "socialist" scale are you using? How about income equality? Name your scale that the US is comparatively "a very socialistic state".
Loads of people are taxed that can't vote. I have lived hear for over 30 years as a legal alien, I served in the US Navy in Beruit in the early 80s. I can't vote. In any country.
I don't know if I could support lowering the voting age to 16. That seems like a tough pill to swallow. Lowering the drinking age to 18 is certainly reasonable.
It isn't mentioned, but I think one of the most important rights is the right to WORK. I had my first job at the age of 9, and it did me a great deal of good. I learned about responsibility, how to treat customers, how to handle cash, I met some really neat people, AND I had spending money. A year later my family moved and I wasn't able to get another job - and I certainly felt that loss. I learned much in school, but for many youths I believe a job would be more important.
I don't agree 100%, but certainly this needs more attention. Beginners make beginner mistakes whether they are 10 or 50 - but they will generally recover more easily at 10. Raising the drinking age / driving age / working age / etc. just means that people will be older when they make their mistakes, and that the older people who were not prevented from learning responsibility when they were young will think them irresponsible and - being American - want to punish them severely.
"Taxation without representation" not "taxation without voting." Parents represent their children. 18 year olds should not be allowed to vote. They are not informed or responsible.
@alvincay100 Can these 16+ year old kids choose which parents will represent them? I don't think so, and boy oh boy there are a lot of parents driving this country down to ruin with their votes
@alvincay100 Haven't you read the news that this country's economy is in the ruins? It is in ruins precisely because these "informed" adults, these young people will inherit this mess so they should have the right to steer the direction this collapse will go as soon they're being taxed.
@FreedomDroid I don't think so. The problem was letting too many uniformed people with not enough at stake to have the vote in the first place. Originally the right to vote was severely limited. Perhaps that's because the founders where aware that the general population would vote to steal money through the vote and spend it recklessly like we are seeing now.
@alvincay100 - I'll take this as if you're really advocating for an aristocracy were only a privileged few can vote and rule, nothing wrong on having your own opinion, but that is totally medieval.
@alvincay100 Shit, if uninformed is a reason for banning people to vote, I say that would ban at least 95% of the US. And having people vote just after high school, where they should be taught about civics, would see the time most Americans are most informed. Polls find that only 50% of adults can name all 3 branches of government correctly.
As far as the curfew goes my opinion is that you shouldn't penalize those that are out after curfew who are not a harm to society or infringing on others liberties. This is why the few bad apples need to be addressed locally or you will have Government blanket policies that infringe on the liberties of all.
If I could've voted at 17 I'd have voted for Ron Paul. :)
I think the founders where onto something with only allowing working males with land to be able to vote. I think it should obviously be expanded to all races, but there's something about getting a paycheck with 1/4th the money taken away that really makes you wanna vote libertarian.
@Jebusrulez That's exactly what I said before I read your comment. I said that they think it's simply cool to be a lib and they'd vote for whoever Jon Stewert told them to.
I don't like curfews, but if they're effecitve in curbing the kind of crime we've seen with youths in Chicago and other cities, I'm for them. Ideally, Nadel is right that parents should be controlling their kids, but if parents are not doing their jobs at all (as appears to be the case in certain urban neighborhoods), and it is resulting in crimes against innocent people, governemnt action is both necessary and appropriate.
@etsneroj Thanks for your input on this. The bad news is that not only are curfews unconstitutional, but they are completely ineffective. Study after study has shown that they don't reduce crime. At best, they displace it geographically or to different times throughout the day. Criminals aren't deterred by curfews.
@nyrausa, If curfews have no positive effect, obviously there's no policy reason for them. But what is the constitutional argument against them? I assume the Equal Protection Clause doesn't get you there because youths aren't recognized by the Court as a protected class. As you know far better than I, federal, state and local laws, even the federal constitution itself, discriminates based on age.
@mcoop221 I would guess because as a national law it is very reasonable. At the federal level, the age of consent is 16, with some exceptions when traveling from state to state. And it also has a 4 year rule for those who are 12-15, meaning that it is not a crime at the national level for a 15 year old to sleep with a 12 year old and so on. Some state laws are far less "reasonable", where 2 15 years-olds have sex is a very major crime, which is kinda crazy.
Just checked out their website. You can run to be a representative at age 25, but some people argue that the voting age should be raised to THIRTY! The opposition can be so stupid... is what I would say if that article was addressing America's movement and not Quebec's.
You want to treat youth fairly? Let those born a month and a week too late to vote, who understand the constitution and are actively involved in politics, VOTE.
I support the voting age being lowered to the minimum working age! The states have a right to that power, let them use it, not the feds!!
@audioblogs12 The reason I want them to understand the constitution and be involved in politics is because we all know(or at least most of us) they will fall for pork rather than "real food" and will only vote popular if they are not active in politics. Just look at the generally younger people's votes of the previous presidential election.
I will support this group even when I am old.
Xaisede 2 months ago
Why should young people have to pay more I work all the time and over two hundred and fifty dollars is taken from me a week from my check. That's is absolute bullshit. Why should someone over 21 not be taxed as much. Lol that's not rigjt
kickerjamz86 4 months ago
Juvenile crime has been on the decline since the early 90s. So has teen driving deaths. Kids don't need to be out late unless they have someone to be approed by their parents. Some of these cerfew laws are insane, but they get these punks that commit crimes off the streets.
BTW car crashes is the #1 killer of teens. The number has declined in resent years and stricter laws to get license is one reason.
billybassman21 5 months ago
@billybassman21 No, stricter laws are not one reason. This decline (I assume you are talking about the US?) has been paralleled in other age groups as well, which would not occur if your hypothesis was correct.
Your post is an example of irrational anti-youth bias that pervades our society.
nightvidcole 3 weeks ago
"It's this generation that is going to have to bare the burden of this debt, and we should have a voice [and vote]." /// So he wants to increase that debt even more by giving youth the right to vote? Does he know that youths typically vote for more spending and higher taxes (youth are mostly liberal)? How exactly does increasing the debt help youths?
mitchblatt1dot1com 5 months ago
NYRA = jew$ for teenage alcoholism.
how much money did NYRA & reason get from soros for this? !
Wasp16mm 6 months ago
Ok, I want a ten minute interview 'of' Michelle Fields telling us why she is a Libertarian. I betcha she'd convert a lot of menfolk.
Panpiper 6 months ago 4
Whaa? They don't take a stance on age of consent? That's unfortunate. I hope they decide to eventually take a stance, though given Nadel's views on giving parents rights to raise youth without government interference, I'm not quite sure I would agree. It's the child's life, not the parents'.
josephschwenker 6 months ago 2
Age should be irrelevant for voting. I would let a 10 yr old vote if they could recite current issues, the candidates and what they each stand for.
The requirements for voting should be: proof of citizenship, and an anti-moron test.
If you had to prove you're not an idiot, Obama would NEVER have been elected.
VegasBilgeRat 6 months ago 3
@VegasBilgeRat Yep, but how to draft a good anti-moron test? Ivy leage colleges are full of obama loving professors, and IQ test also dont measure intelligence. I personally know people who are great in math, I mean basic math not einstein stuff, the point is they would score more then me in IQ test, but they got a huge problem with rational thinking ... even sense of humor
mindOFAlibertarian 6 months ago
is this a joke?
Richiemac529 6 months ago
@Richiemac529 What do you mean by that?
piandcompany 6 months ago
helllloooo michelle!
wadams19 6 months ago 16
@wadams19 Keep her.
Wargoat6 6 months ago
That organization is a joke and needs to be treated as such.
joenuevo 6 months ago
16 yo's voting=no escape from idiocracy
pinegrove33 6 months ago
I got my permit at 14 years of age, and remember that it was the young people who were getting into horrific wrecks. Kids brains aren't mature enough to drive, for the most part. My school mates were the ones who were binge drinkers, too. I don't know adults who drank like that.
oilhammer04 6 months ago
Ever notice how " lol " looks like a stick man drowning?
jtizz711 6 months ago
wow, any remotely good-looking woman makes it a video and the whole reason comment board wants to circle jerk their intellectual boners. some of y'all need some more interaction with members of the opposite gender
vinoberg 6 months ago
I say if someone wants to vote they can regardless of their age, but they should be required to pass a test to prove they actually know some things about politics. There are too many morons who vote without knowing anything.
HungryDingo 6 months ago
@HungryDingo I would agree about the fact that there are voters with a lack of knowledge, but I think there is a danger in having a voter test that is created and approved by the State. Could you imagine the questions that might be on there? Such as: Marijuana users should be: a) Jailed; b) fined; c) left alone. Can you guess which answer the government will say is wrong?
dachickenman 6 months ago
@dachickenman Yeah, there is some potential for abuse such as that but if it left out opinions and stuck asking what candidates stances are on the issues it could be relatively fair. I wouldn't support something like this normally but there are just so many stupid, stupid people who have the dumbest opinions on things yet all you hear is everyone else saying "please go out and vote!". If you need encouraging from a celebrity to vote, you probably shouldn't vote at all.
HungryDingo 6 months ago
@HungryDingo My question is if a democracy can be redeemed at all in this matter. Will it not always result in a tyranny of the majority (or perhaps a well-funded and organized minority)?
dachickenman 6 months ago
I have a funny feeling that ReasonTV is going to become a lot more popular now. It feels like my pants are getting tighter.
Libertarianist 6 months ago 5
One sure-fire way to stick the last dagger right into the heart of America and twist it is to lower the voting age even further.
These young people in the video seem very intelligent and responsible. But one thing they're STUPID about is failing to recognize that they are an ANOMALY.
Most young Americans today do not look or talk anything like these people. Most of them have their head so far up their ass they can't see the light of day.
With voting comes RESPONSIBILITY. That requires WISDOM.
UncleIrv 6 months ago 2
lover the voting age and raise required IQ to 70 :P
Voy2378 6 months ago
she is pretty much smokin hot, but hes a better talker.
rolgorevene 6 months ago
My kids are 18 and 19, responsible and would like to meet other young people. They should be allowed to go to bars and meet like-minded friends. Otherwise... they gotta go hang out in the dark in the park? What the heck!
And cops target teens. It's sick.
Sally0h 6 months ago
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tjbphx 6 months ago
God dammit, I get enough dumb blondes from fox tv...
wolverineks 6 months ago
I was an advanced child/teen. As such I knew enough to realize that most of my so-called peers were not equipped to understand or to bother to understand politics. A truly informed 16 year old is not the norm. Sorry, it just isn't. Scientifically speaking, the adolescent brain is still developing and frontal cortex isn't even complete until the early 20s, particularly in boys. That being said, increasing the recruitment age instead of lowering the drinking age is more scientifically sound.
EffieReal 6 months ago
@EffieReal Of course the malleability of the underdeveloped teenage brain was once a part of the formula for creating certain types of behaviors amongst the enlisted. Nowadays, the modern armed forces require more independent thought and decision making due to encumbering rules of engagement foisted on them by the nwo bureaucrats in charge. Simultaneously, our teenagers are less mature than their predecessors as their lives are more akin to a prolonged adolescence than an early adulthood.
EffieReal 6 months ago
Young people are obviously as smart, responsible, and as and experienced as older people. They don't really need parents any more either. Young people should have all the rights and none of the responsibilities of anyone else in America. Just as the youth rioting in London proved this past week.
BillPigg 6 months ago
I think that 16 year olds "CAN" be smart enough to vote, but nearly all of them are going to public schools run by the government. I think it's a danger to have government have that much influence over an entire group who will be voting. However, the young do need to better organize and stand up for their rights. Out of all people, their rights get trampled on the most and they're the ones paying with their lives!
bracomadar 6 months ago
Just remember boy's and girls, Uncle Sam is the Man, and the Man has a plan!
What you should do for your own benefit, is figure out what that plan is, and what are the end results, and who benefits mostly or totally from these actions?
My father taught me, 2 things I have hung on to. (1):Bullshit is Cheap! and (2:)Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. There is a lot of Bullshit floating around out there. Learn how to filter it all out as it goes in one ear and out the other.
007HubbaBubba 6 months ago
This guy thinks teenagers who work and pay income tax qualifies as "taxation without representation"... That's bullshit. If he were correct, child-hood stars would necessarily be guaranteed the right to vote. And if we extend the argument a bit futher, any type of employment by children of any age would guarantee them the right to vote. Recognize the irrational basis to his argument.
DOHC2L 6 months ago
@DOHC2L Age is no clear indication of intelligence. Would this small amount of people voting be such a bad thing? How about we don't tax anyone under 18 period, for anything. I mean if you you care what we have to say, why do you want our money? Would Justin Beiber or the kid from 2 and a half men voting have as much effect as them not paying income tax? What qualifies Paris Hilton to vote? 100% of people don't even vote, do you believe this subset will have anymore likelihood to vote?
polevaultrockstr 6 months ago
@polevaultrockstr Did I say anything about intelligence? Nope. Did I say anything about wanting adolescents to work? Nope. Did I say anything about not wanting adolescents to work? Nope. I merely extended the argument the person in the video gave... to show the irrationality of his logic. So, if you want to argue those facts, you must answer all those rhetorical questions you asked me.
Saying "age is no clear indication of intelligence" is naive - Age correlates to intelligence, Duh...
DOHC2L 6 months ago
One monolithic point that's conveniently ignored...
As for lowering the voting age, it has already been proven that young people are positively the MOST GULLIBLE AND NAIVE VOTERS. They are the most susceptible to the cheap demagoguery peddled by the liberal Democrats---the very ones who over tax us, stifle the economy with regulation, and destroy our social fabric. YOUNG VOTERS ARE WHO GAVE US BARACK OBAMA!
Libertarians: Pull your heads out of your asses. Your ideology blinds you to reality.
UncleIrv 6 months ago
@UncleIrv And the largest lobby in the country is AARP. The young are dumb, and the old are the ones strong arming them around. See the real issue here?
polevaultrockstr 6 months ago
Agree with lower driking age.
Disagree with lower voting age - 16 is ridicules; the saying "young and stupid" applies at 16 very well, 18 is just fine.
radiovan1 6 months ago
White people are constantly being discriminated against in America. When is someone going to start an organization defending them?
ilieklolcatz 6 months ago
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Are young people being treated like the mentally and physically immature people they are?
"Equality" sounds beautiful, but throwing it around at anything that moves is just ridiculous. I wouldn't treat a 16 year old boy as I would a 30 year old man. Is that discrimination? Yes, and it bloody well makes sense.
RJhasFLOW 6 months ago
@RJhasFLOW Some people grow up to be 30 and still act as physically immature people. This "One Sizes Fits All" viewpoint on young adults and their maturity certainly isn't helping to remedy the situation.
DroidEntertainment 6 months ago
@DroidEntertainment You're absolutely correct. One size does not fit all. A man of 30 can be as immature as a child of 16. That being said, a child of 16 is literally still physically and mentally maturing while the mind of a 30 year old has stopped. We aren't raising the voting age due to immature adults, but it makes no sense to make it open to people still mentally developing.
RJhasFLOW 6 months ago
@RJhasFLOW .......the young and gullible are the easiest targets! My father had me at 12 years old, driving him around N. Texas, and S. Oklahoma, overhauling cars under a shaded tree, and hauling hay and chopping wood. And at reaching 18 talked me into enlisting into the USMC and an eye opening vacation in S.California.
Get wisdom, and learn as fast as you can while young, be observant and watch the actions of a person, and see if that person walks-the-walk, and not just talks-the-talk.
007HubbaBubba 6 months ago
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@007HubbaBubba "Get wisdom, and learn as fast as you can while young, be observant and watch the actions of a person, and see if that person walks-the-walk, and not just talks-the-talk."
True words, sir.
RJhasFLOW 6 months ago
Michelle is sexy
rockinandout 6 months ago 3
video #777, GOOD JOB JEFF!
piandcompany 6 months ago
Wow, as I listened to this Youngman I couldn’t help thinking... Maybe the future of our beloved USA, is in good hands after all.
PoliticallyBlazed 6 months ago
It's truly ironic that sex offenders & their potential victims alike are being branded with the scarlet letter on their driver's licenses. Curfews, the current drinking age, and the graduated license programs are definitely bullshit and need to be done away with. But the voting thing I don't know about. It seems that due to the current techniques of social control in place in the U.S. that rely on manipulating various animal instincts, which 16 year olds are more susceptible to, it's a bad idea.
beta447 6 months ago 4
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"Taxation without representation". Funny. Translated into reality: "It is moral for government to put a gun to our necks and steal our money as long as they claim to represent our interests whether we want them to or not."
furyofbongos 6 months ago
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furyofbongos 6 months ago
how many 16 year olds work enough to pay income taxes? I'm not talking about FICA, that isn't touched by policymakers.
migkillertwo 6 months ago
@migkillertwo enough of them.
spilledinsanity 6 months ago
I'd say drinking age stays 21. VOTING age goes to 21 or even 25. I think you NEED real world experiences under your belt before being allowed to vote. Each vote is powerful. Make sure the person voting knows what it really means.
fegolem 6 months ago
A bit scripted... Where's the personality?
zingomingo 6 months ago
disasterous...
llieske 6 months ago
Michelle Fields is hot as fuck! I want to stick my dick in her!
insdel2004 6 months ago
Is that the same woman that got schooled by Matt Damon?
dannydebonis 6 months ago
I can agree with almost everything besides the drinking ages. The main reason the drinking age is 21 is due to the fact that most studies show that you're done developing around that age and that drinking (excessively) can have adverse effects. Then again people below 21 drink anyways and I wouldn't mind having dumb drunk 18 year old bitches to fuck.
Ickeriss69 6 months ago
@Ickeriss69 But that misses the more underlining question of is setting the drinking age effective? As 90% of high schools say they have being drink, can we say it is working in any way. If you asked a group of people that where 25+ if that had a drink in the last 4 years, would you think it to be higher then 90%? Read The Legal Drinking Age: Science vs. Ideology. It shows several study with negative connection between youth drinking and high drinking age.
Loathomar 6 months ago
Hopefully a similar group will arise in the UK soon.Considering myself to be an Anarchist,I never have voted and never will,but there are stupid laws regarding young people,in both the US and the UK,and if I absolutely have to see things from a point of view where hierarchy doesn't bother me,young people should be given more of a voice and right to vote and more freedom.That's why I'm an Anarchist.It's all about the freedom,man.
-The Catalyst
LZJoZ 6 months ago
@LZJoZ young people the right to vote? The majority of them who are so easily led by trends they change identity several times a year? who only listen to the last months music? Anarchy is freedom? Anarchy is Mad Max not people living in hippy communes. Someone has to pursue a direction or nothing gets done.
Vetis213 6 months ago
@Vetis213 I'm not sure I like your tone,son.In an Anarchist Society,hierarchy would be non-existent.Get your head out the TV and into the world.It's hierarchy that wages wars and tells people what they can and can't do."Someone has to pursue a direction or nothing gets done."That sounds like you're suggesting that you need a hierarchy(A bunch of corrupt men in suits and ties)to manage everything.Sounds more like:"I can't be bothered to live for myself,so I'll let someone else do it for me."
LZJoZ 6 months ago
@LZJoZ Anarchy is a system where the man with biggest gun rules all. It's a really shitty system. Yes, government has no place in non-protective services (makes laws on prohibition, civil services, welfare, etc.) but government does have a place. There is a point where more freedom means that you get less freedom in the long run(when you have the freedom to take over other people's lives, for instance). Courts, Police, and Military; those are the proper roles of government.
CHUCKLZLORD 6 months ago
@CHUCKLZLORD You've made a common error.Anarchism has nothing to do with having the biggest set of guns(With the Second Amendment over in America,that's pretty much what it is now).Anyone who tried to take advantage in an Anarchist Society would be punished.Also,it's hierarchy Anarchism targets.An Anarchist Society would have a form of government.I can't understand why people are satisfied with a hierarchy when it has too many faults.Who do you think has the right to take over people's lives?
LZJoZ 6 months ago
@LZJoZ And who would punish him? When I say biggest guns, I don't mean literally, but more as an analogy. If a man decided to create a gang and control an entire city, there would be no stopping him, not if he had enough power. Governments purpose is to keep a check and balance, to stop the rights of the people only where they intersect with others rights. Anarchy would only work in small, consensual groups, same as communism, where the number is small and betrayal is difficult.
CHUCKLZLORD 6 months ago
@CHUCKLZLORD That's why an Anarchist society would have a form of government.The governments we have now are hierarchies,levels of power and control that vary in stages.My answer to your question is the government would punish him.As I said,it's the idea of hierarchy that Anarchism targets.A lot of non-Anarchists(And some Anarchists)mistake that it's all about scrapping government and putting the country into citizen control.It's not.It's hierarchy.The only thing that controls lives is hierarchy
LZJoZ 6 months ago
@LZJoZ Government and anarchy do not coexist. you are not an Anarchist if you want any form of government. Anarchy literally refers to the lack of any government. And what's this hierarchy thing you're on about?
CHUCKLZLORD 6 months ago
@LZJoZ The definition of Anarchy: a. absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
But hey, who needs to use the words as they are defined. Just make up you own meaning for words and expect people to accept then with your new definitions. Maybe you are a libertarian socialist with your views, but not an Anarchist.
Loathomar 6 months ago
@Loathomar Ah,yes.Shove the dictionary down my throat."A state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority."That part was high-jacked.Has been for ages.People think that the government is the key to humanity's survival,but it's not.Before the government,there were Kings and Queens.Before them,tribal leaders.Anarchism is a fresh start.Tabula rasa.You're so like a theist."It's in the book so it's right."Seems the Dictionary is just another Bible for atheists.
LZJoZ 6 months ago
@LZJoZ Yes, the dictionary defines works. If you can uses words as defined, use other words, you freaking moron. I mean if I want to redefine the work shove to mean "kindly inform someone about", you statement no long means the same thing. Do thing enough and we are speaking to different languages, but without knowing it. Redefine words makes languages meaningless and it is not my fault you can't use words they way they are defined or fine other words that describe you meaning as defined.
Loathomar 6 months ago
@Loathomar I don't know what the fuck you just said,but I get a sense that we're drifting off topic.The point I'm making is that you can't treat the dictionary like the Bible.Not all words defined by the dictionary are right.So,you fraking moron,when you're ready to have a proper discussion with me and not get all "The dictionary says this" feel free to come on back.Oh,and learn how to type.
LZJoZ 6 months ago
0:22 Jeffrey: I have the weirdest boner right now
siftyfour 6 months ago
I like how people on this video are commenting on how dumb people 16 to 20 are dumb, as if older people aren't just as ignorant and stupid.
sniper6081 6 months ago
I would say they might be but its not a huge concern right now there are far more import things than this. This would be a waste of my time debating these issues.
Mathiassss 6 months ago
At 18, even 20, people are completly idiotic, immature and can be brainwashed, 16 ?
mwangolatrue 6 months ago
Vote at age 16 ? This is the single most stupid thing I ever seen, just for that this is simply an idiotic organization.
mwangolatrue 6 months ago
For me, I started paying attention to politics when I was about 13 or 14, but then I would have voted for whoever my parents supported. When I was 15 and a half was when I became a libertarian, although i was surrounded by liberal teaches and conservative family members. Every other 16 year old is liberal or this 'moderate' thing
DjTSex 6 months ago
this is a republic, not a democracy. people should have to own (loan paid in full) land/house or pass an economics test to vote. also, no one is forcing people under the age of 21 to join the military, it's a volunteer army. they pick this dude up for amateur hour or something?
zempire 6 months ago
@zempire Ya, F the poor! Cause the US is already the least socialistic state in the developed world, if only we could take away the poor's right to vote. I historically, we have not been a volunteer military during war times. The civil war, WW1, WW2 and Vietnam all had drafts. It would seem a reasonable argument if there was a ban on drafting anyone under 21, but as is it seems stupid. I am not sure where they got this guy, but you are just a moron.
Loathomar 6 months ago
@Loathomar I repeat, this is a republic not a democracy, maybe you don't understand that. No where did I say F the poor lol. I said put a qualifier on voting, be it being successful enough to own property or pass an economics test as it isn't good for the country if leeches of the government or stupid people are voting. Right now we have a volunteer military, and the US is a very socialistic state. You should keep up with the times instead of pretending it is nearly half a century ago.
zempire 6 months ago
@zempire How is not allowing anyone without the money to own there own home not F'ing the poor. So, a child of a rich family who get a home can vote, but the man who work hard, but who parents are poor so he must take care of them and so can afford a home does not, seems reasonable right. Not own a home is often true of people that are highly educated too. An MD will have no really way to own a home before 35 on there own. They can save your life, but they aren't good enough to vote?
Loathomar 6 months ago
And I never said you where a republican, just a moron. And yes, the US is least socialistic state in the developed world. Name developed countries without national health care? How about a developed country with a higher percentage of workers over 65? What "socialist" scale are you using? How about income equality? Name your scale that the US is comparatively "a very socialistic state".
Loathomar 6 months ago
Give him another 20 years; he may learn something!
MsWanderer1 6 months ago
Loads of people are taxed that can't vote. I have lived hear for over 30 years as a legal alien, I served in the US Navy in Beruit in the early 80s. I can't vote. In any country.
jimisback 6 months ago
I don't know if I could support lowering the voting age to 16. That seems like a tough pill to swallow. Lowering the drinking age to 18 is certainly reasonable.
SirTenenbaum 6 months ago
MAKEUP!!!!!!!! Fix her hair.
jimisback 6 months ago
Smart young whippersnapper
Heatdeathh 6 months ago
It isn't mentioned, but I think one of the most important rights is the right to WORK. I had my first job at the age of 9, and it did me a great deal of good. I learned about responsibility, how to treat customers, how to handle cash, I met some really neat people, AND I had spending money. A year later my family moved and I wasn't able to get another job - and I certainly felt that loss. I learned much in school, but for many youths I believe a job would be more important.
AlanRLight 6 months ago
I don't agree 100%, but certainly this needs more attention. Beginners make beginner mistakes whether they are 10 or 50 - but they will generally recover more easily at 10. Raising the drinking age / driving age / working age / etc. just means that people will be older when they make their mistakes, and that the older people who were not prevented from learning responsibility when they were young will think them irresponsible and - being American - want to punish them severely.
AlanRLight 6 months ago
Don't treat me like a child and punish me as an adult!
ClassicLiberalGOP2 6 months ago 29
"Taxation without representation" not "taxation without voting." Parents represent their children. 18 year olds should not be allowed to vote. They are not informed or responsible.
alvincay100 6 months ago
@alvincay100 Agreed.
RJhasFLOW 6 months ago
@alvincay100 Can these 16+ year old kids choose which parents will represent them? I don't think so, and boy oh boy there are a lot of parents driving this country down to ruin with their votes
FreedomDroid 6 months ago
@alvincay100 Neither are most voters, judging by election results.
abrokenbird 6 months ago
@alvincay100 Haven't you read the news that this country's economy is in the ruins? It is in ruins precisely because these "informed" adults, these young people will inherit this mess so they should have the right to steer the direction this collapse will go as soon they're being taxed.
FreedomDroid 6 months ago
@FreedomDroid I don't think so. The problem was letting too many uniformed people with not enough at stake to have the vote in the first place. Originally the right to vote was severely limited. Perhaps that's because the founders where aware that the general population would vote to steal money through the vote and spend it recklessly like we are seeing now.
alvincay100 6 months ago
@alvincay100 - I'll take this as if you're really advocating for an aristocracy were only a privileged few can vote and rule, nothing wrong on having your own opinion, but that is totally medieval.
FreedomDroid 6 months ago
@alvincay100 Shit, if uninformed is a reason for banning people to vote, I say that would ban at least 95% of the US. And having people vote just after high school, where they should be taught about civics, would see the time most Americans are most informed. Polls find that only 50% of adults can name all 3 branches of government correctly.
Loathomar 6 months ago
As far as the curfew goes my opinion is that you shouldn't penalize those that are out after curfew who are not a harm to society or infringing on others liberties. This is why the few bad apples need to be addressed locally or you will have Government blanket policies that infringe on the liberties of all.
jkinabru 6 months ago
16 to vote? Hell 18 year olds shouldn't vote because they are easily brainwashed into voting for democrats because they're idiots.
Jebusrulez 6 months ago 10
@Jebusrulez If you vote for either party you are obviously brainwashed.
TasteOfGreen 6 months ago 2
@Jebusrulez
If I could've voted at 17 I'd have voted for Ron Paul. :)
I think the founders where onto something with only allowing working males with land to be able to vote. I think it should obviously be expanded to all races, but there's something about getting a paycheck with 1/4th the money taken away that really makes you wanna vote libertarian.
SeppLainer 6 months ago
@Jebusrulez Or republicans. Both Parties are insane.
waveoflight 6 months ago
@Jebusrulez 2 What right should anyone at any age have to vote the freedom, liberty and property away from others?
yinzjagoffs 6 months ago
@Jebusrulez That's exactly what I said before I read your comment. I said that they think it's simply cool to be a lib and they'd vote for whoever Jon Stewert told them to.
joenuevo 6 months ago
@Jebusrulez And adults are easily brainwashed to believe the system works.
frostyuk2007 6 months ago
I don't like curfews, but if they're effecitve in curbing the kind of crime we've seen with youths in Chicago and other cities, I'm for them. Ideally, Nadel is right that parents should be controlling their kids, but if parents are not doing their jobs at all (as appears to be the case in certain urban neighborhoods), and it is resulting in crimes against innocent people, governemnt action is both necessary and appropriate.
etsneroj 6 months ago
@etsneroj Thanks for your input on this. The bad news is that not only are curfews unconstitutional, but they are completely ineffective. Study after study has shown that they don't reduce crime. At best, they displace it geographically or to different times throughout the day. Criminals aren't deterred by curfews.
nyrausa 6 months ago
@nyrausa, If curfews have no positive effect, obviously there's no policy reason for them. But what is the constitutional argument against them? I assume the Equal Protection Clause doesn't get you there because youths aren't recognized by the Court as a protected class. As you know far better than I, federal, state and local laws, even the federal constitution itself, discriminates based on age.
etsneroj 6 months ago
How can you NOT have a position on age of consent?
mcoop221 6 months ago
@mcoop221 I would guess because as a national law it is very reasonable. At the federal level, the age of consent is 16, with some exceptions when traveling from state to state. And it also has a 4 year rule for those who are 12-15, meaning that it is not a crime at the national level for a 15 year old to sleep with a 12 year old and so on. Some state laws are far less "reasonable", where 2 15 years-olds have sex is a very major crime, which is kinda crazy.
Loathomar 6 months ago
Just checked out their website. You can run to be a representative at age 25, but some people argue that the voting age should be raised to THIRTY! The opposition can be so stupid... is what I would say if that article was addressing America's movement and not Quebec's.
audioblogs12 6 months ago
Michelle looked really nervous
Zamir87 6 months ago
shes hawt
thunderon100 6 months ago 29
Smart kids, but the curfew arguement only works if you have parents that care.
hoosierhiver 6 months ago
Of course they completely ignore the age of consent.
InMooseWeTrust 6 months ago
Good points about drinking and voting.
yojimbo81 6 months ago
You want to treat youth fairly? Let those born a month and a week too late to vote, who understand the constitution and are actively involved in politics, VOTE.
I support the voting age being lowered to the minimum working age! The states have a right to that power, let them use it, not the feds!!
audioblogs12 6 months ago
@audioblogs12 The reason I want them to understand the constitution and be involved in politics is because we all know(or at least most of us) they will fall for pork rather than "real food" and will only vote popular if they are not active in politics. Just look at the generally younger people's votes of the previous presidential election.
audioblogs12 6 months ago
i agree, kylie's law is a bullshit law
pigoutultra 6 months ago
@pigoutultra Yeah, it's like requiring Jews to wear a star of David.
audioblogs12 6 months ago
Nice to see Michelle Fields hosting more and more videos. Reason, if you're smart, let her run the place.
PrussianSunsets 6 months ago 2