i HATE ABS, it doesnt let your tires "dig in" .. the only advantage is (if you can call it an advantage) is that youll have a head on crash instead of side impact ... plus it feels like shit and in winter it feels as it its holding your grip back
I drive a 1992 Volvo without any ABS or TCS or computers or anything like that. And its easier to get up the hills with than the modern cars with modern help systems. But when it comes to losing control at high speeds, I'd much rather drive a modern car...
i wish my last car had the ESP fitted :( as a result i done a 360 last year on black ice wrecked nearly every planel on my car . my new car has it as standrad and i don't know how i got this far in lifr without it!
@bigray0007 same as me friend my last car had not esp i had a bad accident i am lucky that i have no serious injuries! a horse suddenly came out of woods and i skip it with the result of turning around my own axis and fell of from 7 meters high! really bad experience! my new car also have the latest esp system, and we must tell them all that these systems can save lives! believe us! we know better!
True that there are some drivers that could handle this situation too, but believe me these are just like 1% of all.
No matter how much experience you have, unless you are a (semi-)professional who knows how to drift you will never save a car on icy road once it goes sideways.
Remember, that ESP has the ability of braking wheel individually. Nobody can do that - thats for sure. I can guarantee, that there are situations where no diver could beat ESP - not even a professional rally driver.
Make fun of these systems and call them "Crutches" all you want, but the reality is that there's no human on the planet that could manage 4 independent brake pedals and 4 independent accelerator pedals that would be necessary to emulate what ESP systems do, not to mention all in a split second that these systems do it in.
No doubt it can be a great aid these systems but they make too many drivers ignorant to the road conditions and reality of the situation, like who in their right mind in snow and ice drives at 70 on a motorway?
These things are tested (like in the video) in closed conditions with limited fixed variables, which you never get in real life.
Also in the test they missed out things like tyres and dirty sensors can affect it!
@Spike20101000 The unfortunate reality is that many of todays drivers ARE ignorant of a staggering amount of what is going on around them. Who's fault is this? Lack of driver education. In today's society where most people think that a drivers licence is a right, and not a privilege, this is sadly unlikely to ever change. So...If the ESP prevents an an accident for the driver, great - if it prevents THEIR accident that ends up involving ME or my family unwillingly, even better. Win win.
@Oshawapilot yeah but at the same time it doesn't take a rocket scientist to avoid LOCKING those brakes and wheels... evenly applied pressure and a good sense of judgement will keep ANY driver safe from a situation that would need these systems to act for (them)... The saving grace is that in an accident or a random "incident" like unseen black ice, the systems do keep those of us who can't control a vehicle from making a bad situation worse. Speed and calamity are what kill drivers
@Oshawapilot I , personally, own a 2001 lincoln LS with all the toys ( ABS, DSC, Traction control , "advance-trac" ( ford system balancing speed and traction with DSC and ABS ), and I personally prefer to turn as many of the systems OFF as possible, even in snow and ice. To a good driver, these systems just interfere with the pleasure of driving the automobile. They are great utilities for people who NEED them, but for those of us who can drive without help... they are a nuisance...
@texasbob12 tiff needell is one of the best driving journalists around.. he is the only presenter who actually drives cars to there limit and properly tests them.. even back when he raced in BTCC he was a legend.. so pipe down !
Tiff Needel, no doubt a better driver than anyone on here, couldn't control the slide without ESP even when he knew it was coming... sorry, but driver aids ARE important in these extreme circumstances, no matter how good a driver you "think" you are.
Tiff was cheating here, he is way to good driver to smash that "wall" without ESP!! But he has a point for most drivers this systems can be life saving!!
It helps! No dubt! But people tend to trust the system and the system is FAR from perfect. So what does people do? They drive faster, and they have no advantage anymore..
I F*!&#%@! HATE STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL!! Oh my god, I haven't been this mad over a product in a long time... why? Because by 2012 all passenger vehicles in the U.S. (and Canada) HAVE to be equipped with an ESC thing. IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL, if I want to do a motherf%*@ing burnout or slide or drift, I don't want to have a goodamned computer try and "control" the car. And F off ABS, your not as bad as ESC- but goddamn it should still be optional in most if not all vehicles.
@TheBoBepisodes Is that right dumbass? The only accident I've ever been in was getting rear ended... while stopped at a red light. On the contrary its idiots (presumably like you) who revel over every little bit of technology and act like they can't get by without it.
@TheVampyreCat Why not just have a button to turn off the ESP? They have that in most cars. Most drivers want ABS, and it is much safer. ABS stops you faster, and every car should have it, except for TVRs. You can buy a used TVR. There are a few in the US.
The second test without ESP looked made up , you didnt even countersteer when u first steered left, Sure ESP is very effective but the downside of it sometimes is that it makes your car go straight when u actually want the rear end to turn, so if u encounter understeer in a corner you wont smile when the ESP straightens your car into the ditch il tell you :)
At the end of the day these systems are designed to save you from yourself. If you drive defensively and safely you never get to use them. I've had ABS on my cars since 1993 and it's only done its stuff once because I was doing something stupid. Hartman is correct though, no one can brake individual wheels, ESP is one thing a good driver can't duplicate. Traction control and ABS they can emulate with sufficient skill.
Ez mekkora kamu! Ha a második akadály után azzonnal ellentkormányoz, akkor lazán visszahozza egyenesbe a Jag-ot. Látszik, hogy nagyon lassan fordul menetirányba a kormányzott kerék. Ennél azért gondolom jobban vezet ez a sokatlátott műsorvezető. Bár tény, hogy így látványosabb a csattanás a végén. Persze ESP-vel egyszerűbb a feladat.
the best way to avoid all the barriers and remain in controll is to get as close to each without hitting them, i think he gave too much room..... But in a real life situation, giving room to a car is a good idea....
at adamslurch71 ESP can break each individual wheel which you cannot do when driving and hitting the brakes therefore no matter how great you are at driving you will still have a major disadvantage
I agree that without electronics you can really control the car to how you want it because its just you and the machine but most drivers cannot control their car in a situation like that and can end up hitting someone else. Therefore I do think all normal road cars should have ESP fitted.
Sorry but if you need ESP, ABS, TCS and all the other ABC's of car electronics just to be a safe driver then you need to go back to drivers education. Learn how to drive without them, then you can appreciate what they really do, personally I will never own a car that has any of that on there, every time I drive in the snow ESP has caused 4 accidents b/c it thought it knew what I wanted to do, sorry might be great for everyone else but not me, no electronics and never lost control.
thank you stability and control it most likely saved my life and my car. i was on the highway and did a big fish tail when i almost lost control going through snow drifts. nearly went sideways into an oncoming truck. but i managed to regain control thanks to that amazing safety feature. scariest moment of my life.
he was NOT feathering up that hill of ice, I've never had problem in terrible snow conditions especially last years snow storm here. My '93 does not come with abs or traction control, the problem is people just don't know how to drive, getting your license takes no skill what so ever, THAT is why there are so many accidents.
also, who the fuck drives 70mph when its very bad conditions! morons! "so here we are cursing 70mph" "here we are again doing 70mph", you just DON'T do that in bad weather.
@bastec666 70 mph is just a test. You have to put car through rigorous testing to asess their performance. Its not like there was anything anywhere near the car to strike.
this test is bullshit he does it specially watch 3rd test and third corner he does not even gets on contra on time, don't believe that crap it not true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lliked the video, quite informative....but of course you have to have the guy with an accent lol,,makes the video seem so much more sophisticated also the funky music backround,.,,hahahaaha
TC test is bullshit, Tiff came carrying some speed to get up the icy hill. Everybody who has traction control in their car knows that TC cuts power too much and you won't go anywhere in ice and deep snow. You have to turn it off to get going, then turn it back on to keep the car from sliding sideways.
I'd rather take Limited slip diff than TC. ESP on the other hand, yes, it works, so it's a must have on my next car.
@inurik you clearly have no idea what a limited slip differential is if you're comparing it to traction control. You might as well have said that you would prefer marshmellows over ABS any day of the week
@inurik My 2011 Taurus SHO AWD has traction control and Ford claims that if one wheel has traction, the car will move. I live in Florida but plan to drive up to New England for the holidays Xmas and New Years. Will get to test the car in snow then.
Excellent video, might as well get a used high end luxury car with this technology than a new car without. The difference is mileage but the price is the same but you get way more from the used one.
i love how "experts" chime in. the funny thing is the conditions and thins we run into on the road are not always planned.. we tend to miss a deer that juts out at the last second, or a patch of ice on a snowy road. without the aids, we simply rely on careful application of throttle, brakes, and steering to counteract an accident. for the less-road worthy folk out there, i'd rather have these systems so THEY dont HIT ME after i avoided someting they couldnt. so "experts", plz stfu haha
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First thing i do when i get in to car is to turn off stability control and traction control. I am an expert driver and have no need for computer to take over driving in emergency.
well i am a pretty "expert" driver myself but the esp does something the driver cant which is to brake a specific wheel in order to keep the car straight =p
You cheated Tiff, in the DTC run you started with a run in and the momentum carried you up the ramp tutt tutt. Also it is not the right technique to dip the clutch, is is to drive in the approriate gear with the lowest revs possible. I just don't rate your attempt - sorry
@guesser7 If you watch the front wheels closely, you would see the the wheels vary their speed. The traction control was doing its job. Im not sure how one would cheat at driving? I just don't rate your logic - sorry
@guesser7 Bullshit... Up that kind of a hill on melting ice, no human stands a chance and you can look like an idiot and dip the clutch all you want. And as for the cheating comment, he took a flying run up the hill without the TC on and STILL didn't make it...
stability control does helps but I agreed in first one with it off he went full lock right.. in second he dabbed quick right then counter steered left..
my car with stability on I can still do almost a 180 if I want LoL
tiff needel cant drive on ice, you can see it in this film, or he did it for the show. when you drive alot on same kind of icy surfases, here in finland for example, those conditions are usual in winter time and, we have proper driving education for that. keep the power on in a front wheel drive car if the tail slides etc.... practice makes perfect.
ESP or DSC or whatever you want to call it, is not supposed to be helping on your day to day driving, its there for emergencies, e.g if a car pulls out in front of you, it will help you avoid it without skidding out of control, it works along side your ABS, it cant defy the law of physics.
ESP is the biggest load of s**t in car safety. If you drive safely you won't need it. I've had ESP in my car for the past three years and minus the one time I was PURPOSELY doing donuts in it I've never had it come on, and I live in snowy, icey, Wisconsin... ESP supposedly dramatically cuts the chance of rolling a SUV over. 95% of rollovers are tripped meaning a car hits a curb, gravel, barrier, etc. ESP isn't going to help with that. The only time its going to help is if your driving recklessly
"never came on"? My esp will even prevent me from accelerating sometimes. I'll punch the gas on ice and nothing, it won't allow me. Maybe you had shitty ESP.
Thats traction control controlling your acceleration, not stability control. Traction Control keeps your wheels from spinning when accelerating, mine comes on all the time, ESP only comes on during emergency situations (like when you go around a corner to fast) that you wouldn't get yourself into if you were driving safely.
@Planeguy13 If you can do donuts with your ESP on then it is worthless and you got ripped off. No properly functioning ESP would not permit the car to operate with a drive wheel spinning that much faster than the other(s).
the point of esp is to prevent unsteer and oversteer in slippry situation by applying braking on each wheel, which the driver can never achieve unless you have 4 padles.
Depends on how the car is setup. Normal road car is setup for mild understeer to prvent the car from spinning. Racecars are setup more neutral or sometimes more towards oversteer for better handling. ESP basically controls the brakes individually to prevent any oversteer from happening. If you want to know exactly how it works, either message me or just google for it. The logic behind it is very simple :)
ESP is on my Dodge Charger and it's a life saver, just last friday I was driving down the road at 20 MPH and a car slid into my lane, I snapped the wheel to avoid it esp kicked in kept me going where I needed to. Saved my life thank you ESP
well duh but even at 30 mph on ice you can still skid and ESP will help you no matter what. Whether its dry or wet or ice or what ever I know the stabilitrak on my yukon has kept it inline.
You're absolutely right to an extent. ESP controls what you as a driver cannot fully control. Skidding on ice will happen no matter how slow you go, and that's where ESP comes in. It also works for you if you should hydroplane and find your car starting to slide.
yea you have a point.. But still, it's not like it adds extra weight to a car or whatever, so I'd rather have the opportunity to have it then not and then feel bad about not having it.
Also, driving safe like you said is always safer than any technology.
Oh yeah there definitely isn't a downside to having it. I'm just pointing out that more than 1/3-1/2 of all fatal accidents could be prevented if everyone drove like they should. ESC could contribute to accidents if people get the idea that they can swerve, go into 20mph curves at 80mph, etc. and their car will magically correct the maneuver. Also, someone who can't afford a car with ESC shouldn't fear for their life just because it doesn't have it. Drive safely and you'll be just as safe.
@Planeguy13 Wrong again. As the car senses the potential skid, it first reduces engine output then applies the ABS brakes to the individual wheel to help counteract the slide. It is designed to help, but not intended to replace common sense driving. Im a R & D tech for BOSCH.
I lost traction to my rear wheels today, and my Peugeot 407 has ESP.
I compleatly paniced, but i felt the left rear wheel suddenly brake (without my command) then the front right.....it immediatly corrected the skid and brought me to a hault!!!!
ESP is indeed valuable in slippery situations. Since the driver has no control over brakes of individual wheel. The driver cannot replicate the control of what the ESP gives (unless theres are brake pedals for each individual wheel ofcourse).
It's the sort of thing that is happening in aviation, most of the the modern planes are fly by wire, which means you just turn the stick to wear you want to go and the computer adjust the control surfaces and compensates in any condition to go there.
I lived in Wisconsin, and it does snow; get quite icy at times.
And although I've never had an accident in the particulars of snow/hazardous conditions, I would still rather drive a car equipped with VSA, ESP, Traction control, Anti-Lock brakes, and such. I just don't let all those luxuries overcome me as a false sense of security; I am still aware that many accident is caused by driver's error.
The driver of this video was obviously to drive in a certain manner. The traction control piece on ice was particularly ridiculous. He was attempting to drive on the ice from a dead stop first, then took a run on spinning the tires hard and finally he drove onto it using momentum and kept a steady throttle. The last one would have worked without traction control.
Traction control has its place but is over rated. Stability control on the other hand is truly valuable.
if you know how traction control works you know its not simply cuting the power back.
on most cars, open diff sends more power to the wheel that has less grip. so on a half ice half pavement situation, the wheel on the ice would take most of the power spinning whilst the one on pavement wont go at all.
traction control applies brake on the spinning tire so that the power can go to the one has more traction, so you can get out. very clever.
Anyone who is good at driving can control a skid without ESP. However I do agree every car should have ESP and Traction Control for those who cannot drive well.
my dad told me a story when he was in canada when it was 2 degrees and the ground was iced, and he was driving a yaris and he turned into a lot and slid and was like 5 feet away from the car and the ABS kicked in and the tires didnt lock up, so it made him slide and slide and he missed the car by 1 inch, to me, abs is kinda pointless.....
That makes absolutely no sense at all. If your dad was able to lock up the wheels he'd not have missed the car by an inch, he would've hit it. Locking up all 4 wheels in slick conditions will not stop or slow the car faster than ABS could. A lockup turns your tires into skis and you'll go where your momentum sends you. It's basic physics.
Nah, basic physics say otherwise. First, locking and turning can help you turn the car, which can be useful for consuming the kinetic energy in slow stops. Second, especially on snow, locking up starts gathering snow under the wheel and creating a more effective stop than you'd think. But then again, how much HAVE you driven on snow & ice?
You're wrong about that. ABS takes longer to stop in ice and especially in snow. If you can lock up your tires in snow it builds up in front of the wheels and creates more friction to stop. Just pump the brakes to free wheel for a short distance to regain steering control. You've obviously never driven in serious winter conditions.
Early to Mid 90s GM and Chryslers were notorious for that. They didn't program their systems to account for snow. Many Japanese systems did. Honda's were superb.
The Honda ALB1 system in my 1990 Acura Legend is terrible on dry pavement. It is not quick enough to unlock the wheels. It chirps terribly, and when you get below 5mph it just goes into a skid. On gravel and ice it's a different story though. My car stops six feet shorter from 30mph on gravel, and much straighter. Same on Ice, very good stability when the system engages. It is still slow, and requires some back off on the pedal to turn.
what is name of song at 3:46 ??
m1nguser 2 weeks ago
This is impressive !
szekelymihai 2 weeks ago
i HATE ABS, it doesnt let your tires "dig in" .. the only advantage is (if you can call it an advantage) is that youll have a head on crash instead of side impact ... plus it feels like shit and in winter it feels as it its holding your grip back
cb7pwn 2 weeks ago
these systems are nice. I drive a car without ABS and thats reallly the only electronic aid i really want for it!.
esp well it has a bullbar and you dont swerve for things like kangaroos anyway, you line em up , hit em and keep on driving.
ihateregistering2322 4 weeks ago
I drive a 1992 Volvo without any ABS or TCS or computers or anything like that. And its easier to get up the hills with than the modern cars with modern help systems. But when it comes to losing control at high speeds, I'd much rather drive a modern car...
sangolt88 1 month ago
Should've tried a VOLVO.
PS2Gameplays 1 month ago
It's not camera trickery you bitch. Look at 0:46
Hayeshacker0NE 1 month ago
i wish my last car had the ESP fitted :( as a result i done a 360 last year on black ice wrecked nearly every planel on my car . my new car has it as standrad and i don't know how i got this far in lifr without it!
bigray0007 1 month ago
@bigray0007 same as me friend my last car had not esp i had a bad accident i am lucky that i have no serious injuries! a horse suddenly came out of woods and i skip it with the result of turning around my own axis and fell of from 7 meters high! really bad experience! my new car also have the latest esp system, and we must tell them all that these systems can save lives! believe us! we know better!
koukosdreamer 1 month ago
didn't he go on the wrong side of the wall and fail?
Sikkyu 1 month ago
True that there are some drivers that could handle this situation too, but believe me these are just like 1% of all.
No matter how much experience you have, unless you are a (semi-)professional who knows how to drift you will never save a car on icy road once it goes sideways.
Remember, that ESP has the ability of braking wheel individually. Nobody can do that - thats for sure. I can guarantee, that there are situations where no diver could beat ESP - not even a professional rally driver.
1337Jogi 1 month ago
5:11
claud3lo 1 month ago
you lied at tc test. you came up at 30 mph. come on....
viperstormway 2 months ago
Make fun of these systems and call them "Crutches" all you want, but the reality is that there's no human on the planet that could manage 4 independent brake pedals and 4 independent accelerator pedals that would be necessary to emulate what ESP systems do, not to mention all in a split second that these systems do it in.
Oshawapilot 2 months ago 18
@Oshawapilot sooooooo true
swatsticker 2 months ago
@Oshawapilot
No doubt it can be a great aid these systems but they make too many drivers ignorant to the road conditions and reality of the situation, like who in their right mind in snow and ice drives at 70 on a motorway?
These things are tested (like in the video) in closed conditions with limited fixed variables, which you never get in real life.
Also in the test they missed out things like tyres and dirty sensors can affect it!
Spike20101000 1 month ago
@Spike20101000 The unfortunate reality is that many of todays drivers ARE ignorant of a staggering amount of what is going on around them. Who's fault is this? Lack of driver education. In today's society where most people think that a drivers licence is a right, and not a privilege, this is sadly unlikely to ever change. So...If the ESP prevents an an accident for the driver, great - if it prevents THEIR accident that ends up involving ME or my family unwillingly, even better. Win win.
Oshawapilot 1 month ago
@Oshawapilot yeah but at the same time it doesn't take a rocket scientist to avoid LOCKING those brakes and wheels... evenly applied pressure and a good sense of judgement will keep ANY driver safe from a situation that would need these systems to act for (them)... The saving grace is that in an accident or a random "incident" like unseen black ice, the systems do keep those of us who can't control a vehicle from making a bad situation worse. Speed and calamity are what kill drivers
GodlessMartyr666 3 days ago
@Oshawapilot I , personally, own a 2001 lincoln LS with all the toys ( ABS, DSC, Traction control , "advance-trac" ( ford system balancing speed and traction with DSC and ABS ), and I personally prefer to turn as many of the systems OFF as possible, even in snow and ice. To a good driver, these systems just interfere with the pleasure of driving the automobile. They are great utilities for people who NEED them, but for those of us who can drive without help... they are a nuisance...
GodlessMartyr666 3 days ago
This host is really fucking annoying. would love to smack his face especially at 1:30 onwards
texasbob12 3 months ago
@texasbob12 tiff needell is one of the best driving journalists around.. he is the only presenter who actually drives cars to there limit and properly tests them.. even back when he raced in BTCC he was a legend.. so pipe down !
ollietuckitintome 2 months ago
I'd rather hit a wall than a human...still this is pretty amazing
rickkmurray 3 months ago
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rickkmurray 3 months ago
Tiff Needel, no doubt a better driver than anyone on here, couldn't control the slide without ESP even when he knew it was coming... sorry, but driver aids ARE important in these extreme circumstances, no matter how good a driver you "think" you are.
dan2e2 3 months ago 15
While it's good for beginning drivers, experience driver should have no problem. I personally do not like it as it's too restrictive.
ylen13 3 months ago
@ylen13 exactly, its for drivers that dont really understand and actively use the physics of a car normally.
superpoluha1 3 months ago
Would ESP work on a bike?
MrMillander 4 months ago
@MrMillander No. Because a bike only has 2 wheels. :)
Pokemon7785 3 months ago
Tiff was cheating here, he is way to good driver to smash that "wall" without ESP!! But he has a point for most drivers this systems can be life saving!!
kurtoneal 5 months ago
neither of these tests were remotley comparable from a scientific pov
pulpfictionost 5 months ago
how do you compare results of a test when you took a run up? fuck you
pulpfictionost 5 months ago
....now try that with an SUV
KillanatorVids 5 months ago
Thanks for the upload.
Been very helpful to me :)
kasoy1 8 months ago
but if you going down a hill in the winter you will slow down but if your a stupid you will speed and hit someone you may cause seriously injuries
thenerfman30 9 months ago
The driver of the jag is an idiot, lol
av7447 9 months ago
It helps! No dubt! But people tend to trust the system and the system is FAR from perfect. So what does people do? They drive faster, and they have no advantage anymore..
haraldhonda 10 months ago
I F*!&#%@! HATE STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL!! Oh my god, I haven't been this mad over a product in a long time... why? Because by 2012 all passenger vehicles in the U.S. (and Canada) HAVE to be equipped with an ESC thing. IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL, if I want to do a motherf%*@ing burnout or slide or drift, I don't want to have a goodamned computer try and "control" the car. And F off ABS, your not as bad as ESC- but goddamn it should still be optional in most if not all vehicles.
TheVampyreCat 10 months ago
@TheVampyreCat
then turn it off and shut the fuck up
Tippey764 10 months ago
@Tippey764 I already said you can't turn it all the way off, jackass.
TheVampyreCat 10 months ago
@Tippey764 boohoo
Tippey764 9 months ago
@TheVampyreCat Its idiots like you who cause accidents....
TheBoBepisodes 8 months ago
@TheBoBepisodes Is that right dumbass? The only accident I've ever been in was getting rear ended... while stopped at a red light. On the contrary its idiots (presumably like you) who revel over every little bit of technology and act like they can't get by without it.
TheVampyreCat 8 months ago
@TheVampyreCat chillax bro, you can turn them off with a simple push of a button. At least for my mercedes it can. I dunno about other cars
deadlyvirusgiver 7 months ago
@deadlyvirusgiver In some high-end sports cars, as well as a few others you can. But most vehicles only turn it off "half-way", or not at all.
TheVampyreCat 7 months ago
@TheVampyreCat Why not just have a button to turn off the ESP? They have that in most cars. Most drivers want ABS, and it is much safer. ABS stops you faster, and every car should have it, except for TVRs. You can buy a used TVR. There are a few in the US.
tg72211 6 months ago
i want that guy's job!
luis3826 11 months ago
The second test without ESP looked made up , you didnt even countersteer when u first steered left, Sure ESP is very effective but the downside of it sometimes is that it makes your car go straight when u actually want the rear end to turn, so if u encounter understeer in a corner you wont smile when the ESP straightens your car into the ditch il tell you :)
Unknownsob 11 months ago
@Unknownsob
It is ignorant comments like these that sparks the silly rumors people are spreading about ESP, ABS etc.
Of course a properly designed ESP system won't do that. The computer monitors the steering angle to predict where you wanted or want to go.
In an understeer situation it will limit the power to the wheels and if needed apply some braking power to the rear wheels :)
AllRightieThen 11 months ago
At the end of the day these systems are designed to save you from yourself. If you drive defensively and safely you never get to use them. I've had ABS on my cars since 1993 and it's only done its stuff once because I was doing something stupid. Hartman is correct though, no one can brake individual wheels, ESP is one thing a good driver can't duplicate. Traction control and ABS they can emulate with sufficient skill.
etmax1 1 year ago
it is a bit staged... keep saying undramatic lol
14luisalonso 1 year ago
Ez mekkora kamu! Ha a második akadály után azzonnal ellentkormányoz, akkor lazán visszahozza egyenesbe a Jag-ot. Látszik, hogy nagyon lassan fordul menetirányba a kormányzott kerék. Ennél azért gondolom jobban vezet ez a sokatlátott műsorvezető. Bár tény, hogy így látványosabb a csattanás a végén. Persze ESP-vel egyszerűbb a feladat.
phatrow 1 year ago
What year is this Jaguar?
ultimateoffroader 1 year ago 2
car for mongos
shytcity3000 1 year ago
SHOULDVE USED A BETTER CAR THAN THE JAGUAR FAIL-TYPE
bigbad1000do7a 1 year ago
the best way to avoid all the barriers and remain in controll is to get as close to each without hitting them, i think he gave too much room..... But in a real life situation, giving room to a car is a good idea....
unclepoepoe 1 year ago
@jude109 - No, but I always ride just to ride safely, and do not need a computer.
hartman12349 1 year ago
Car for retards :-)
hartman12349 1 year ago
4:53 - that is fucking sweet!
sh856531 1 year ago
at adamslurch71 ESP can break each individual wheel which you cannot do when driving and hitting the brakes therefore no matter how great you are at driving you will still have a major disadvantage
I agree that without electronics you can really control the car to how you want it because its just you and the machine but most drivers cannot control their car in a situation like that and can end up hitting someone else. Therefore I do think all normal road cars should have ESP fitted.
moretraffic1 1 year ago 2
he looks like typical "user" :D :D :D fuck off all electronic helpers
KubikCv 1 year ago
when ur on ice you dont have much control........
farhan8905 1 year ago
Sorry but if you need ESP, ABS, TCS and all the other ABC's of car electronics just to be a safe driver then you need to go back to drivers education. Learn how to drive without them, then you can appreciate what they really do, personally I will never own a car that has any of that on there, every time I drive in the snow ESP has caused 4 accidents b/c it thought it knew what I wanted to do, sorry might be great for everyone else but not me, no electronics and never lost control.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
A front wheel drive Jaguar?! SINCE WHEN!?
KLowD9x 1 year ago
@KLowD9x Jaguar has been making front-wheel and all wheel drive models for about 12 years.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
at 3:52 it says jackoff
oasis1242 1 year ago
these are all just drivers aid... if you can drive none are really needed.
JPARKERZ28 1 year ago
thank you stability and control it most likely saved my life and my car. i was on the highway and did a big fish tail when i almost lost control going through snow drifts. nearly went sideways into an oncoming truck. but i managed to regain control thanks to that amazing safety feature. scariest moment of my life.
89leviathan 1 year ago
Any one else get annoyed when he had a mini hissy fit at 1:18?
CaribAdvent1010 1 year ago
Anyone else get annoyed when he had a mini pissy fit in the car at 1:18?
CaribAdvent1010 1 year ago
wow this nigga cant drive
Buggie123 1 year ago
he was NOT feathering up that hill of ice, I've never had problem in terrible snow conditions especially last years snow storm here. My '93 does not come with abs or traction control, the problem is people just don't know how to drive, getting your license takes no skill what so ever, THAT is why there are so many accidents.
also, who the fuck drives 70mph when its very bad conditions! morons! "so here we are cursing 70mph" "here we are again doing 70mph", you just DON'T do that in bad weather.
bastec666 1 year ago 2
@bastec666 70 mph is just a test. You have to put car through rigorous testing to asess their performance. Its not like there was anything anywhere near the car to strike.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
this test is bullshit he does it specially watch 3rd test and third corner he does not even gets on contra on time, don't believe that crap it not true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lashgash 1 year ago
fail driver? that is not at all how you drive...I'm guessing he did it on purpose for dramatic effects?
Random1765 1 year ago
ESP well be included as standard in all new cars from 2012.
zeonbub 1 year ago
the heat from the tires are melting the ice lol
nelson4568 1 year ago
lliked the video, quite informative....but of course you have to have the guy with an accent lol,,makes the video seem so much more sophisticated also the funky music backround,.,,hahahaaha
russphilly 1 year ago
Tiff: no traction control, no traction.
Haha
supercooled 1 year ago
wat car is that
151soccer 1 year ago
@151soccer jaguar
MIVECturbo2 1 year ago
Meh... He should be wearing a helmet...
pretzelkittens 1 year ago
Yeah I love my merc that my parents got me
maseratidriver1234 1 year ago
I have a benz... equipped with every tech known to man. :p
gorillagirlgorilla 1 year ago
My car is full equiped with abs :) modern car hey
fdxnaoseinomes 1 year ago
Xtypes are AWD...............
ABeans07 1 year ago
@ABeans07 X- type models com standard with front wheel drive with AWD being an option.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
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kodiak410a 1 year ago
TC test is bullshit, Tiff came carrying some speed to get up the icy hill. Everybody who has traction control in their car knows that TC cuts power too much and you won't go anywhere in ice and deep snow. You have to turn it off to get going, then turn it back on to keep the car from sliding sideways.
I'd rather take Limited slip diff than TC. ESP on the other hand, yes, it works, so it's a must have on my next car.
inurik 1 year ago
@inurik you clearly have no idea what a limited slip differential is if you're comparing it to traction control. You might as well have said that you would prefer marshmellows over ABS any day of the week
dcx1287 1 year ago
@inurik you clearly have no idea what a limited slip differential is if you're comparing it to traction control.
dcx1287 1 year ago
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@inurik you have absolutely no idea what a limited slip differential is if youre comparing it to tc
dcx1287 1 year ago
@inurik My 2011 Taurus SHO AWD has traction control and Ford claims that if one wheel has traction, the car will move. I live in Florida but plan to drive up to New England for the holidays Xmas and New Years. Will get to test the car in snow then.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
i wounder how much money did jab payed 5 gear for this video.
SacreDro 1 year ago
an arab guy could successfully avoid that with ESP off.
ArticMuse 1 year ago
@ArticMuse
hahahahhahah
karolissickb0y 1 year ago
Excellent video, might as well get a used high end luxury car with this technology than a new car without. The difference is mileage but the price is the same but you get way more from the used one.
AntDX316 1 year ago
About the uphill ice demonstration, if it was longer once the car slows down and stops it will slide down.
AntDX316 1 year ago
yay!!!
Toogood09 1 year ago
What a great demonstration of the safety features we sometimes take for granted.
safedrivermike 1 year ago
i've spun out at over 90mph and it's pretty crazy
brutman05 1 year ago
i love how "experts" chime in. the funny thing is the conditions and thins we run into on the road are not always planned.. we tend to miss a deer that juts out at the last second, or a patch of ice on a snowy road. without the aids, we simply rely on careful application of throttle, brakes, and steering to counteract an accident. for the less-road worthy folk out there, i'd rather have these systems so THEY dont HIT ME after i avoided someting they couldnt. so "experts", plz stfu haha
jlcool007 1 year ago
This guy is brave 70mph
reddragonmirage 1 year ago
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First thing i do when i get in to car is to turn off stability control and traction control. I am an expert driver and have no need for computer to take over driving in emergency.
ylen13 1 year ago
LOL!
thornrag 1 year ago
@ylen13
well i am a pretty "expert" driver myself but the esp does something the driver cant which is to brake a specific wheel in order to keep the car straight =p
Flipster1325 1 year ago
tiff cant drive car on ice
fmyboki892 1 year ago
shut up would you like to be like him and drive like him
Scr3w09 1 year ago
You cheated Tiff, in the DTC run you started with a run in and the momentum carried you up the ramp tutt tutt. Also it is not the right technique to dip the clutch, is is to drive in the approriate gear with the lowest revs possible. I just don't rate your attempt - sorry
guesser7 1 year ago 45
@guesser7 If you watch the front wheels closely, you would see the the wheels vary their speed. The traction control was doing its job. Im not sure how one would cheat at driving? I just don't rate your logic - sorry
kodiak410a 1 year ago
@guesser7 Bullshit... Up that kind of a hill on melting ice, no human stands a chance and you can look like an idiot and dip the clutch all you want. And as for the cheating comment, he took a flying run up the hill without the TC on and STILL didn't make it...
rev2xs 1 year ago
@guesser7 He tried with a run when DTC was off as well and he just stopped half way and went backwards.
derbigpr500 4 months ago
@guesser7 yeah your right. in reality traction control on ice doesnt let you move at all... anyway the outcome is the same
MakuthePOtHead 4 months ago
@guesser7 on the stability control test he forced into going sideways with the steering... he basiclly just threw the cars into the slide
MakuthePOtHead 4 months ago
At 4:58, he says, "Mercedes cuts _____ by a third, and Toyota ...". Mercedes cuts what? Horrible pronunciation.
lemaindedieu 1 year ago
Accidents. Wasn't that hard. ;-)
KryzMasta 1 year ago 2
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tnsnick 1 year ago
@ 3:12 no counter steer,
@ 4:23 immediate counter steer.
Biased. but w/e hes british.
skaterdurf 1 year ago
stability control does helps but I agreed in first one with it off he went full lock right.. in second he dabbed quick right then counter steered left..
my car with stability on I can still do almost a 180 if I want LoL
IXGQ4LifeXI 1 year ago
tiff needel cant drive on ice, you can see it in this film, or he did it for the show. when you drive alot on same kind of icy surfases, here in finland for example, those conditions are usual in winter time and, we have proper driving education for that. keep the power on in a front wheel drive car if the tail slides etc.... practice makes perfect.
puhaltaja 2 years ago
@puhaltaja
i guess proper driving education means no 70mph on snow road and you will miss all 3 obstacles, tiff made a point here that esp helps
slideonthetube 1 year ago 23
I can do it with my eyes closed and esp off.
ylen13 1 year ago
@ylen13 Interesting, driving with your eyes closed. I bet your insurance company loves you.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
Very interesting video.
W8tuning 2 years ago 4
no fuss at all lol.. the car was slowly coming to a stop before the ice ran out
p35neo2 2 years ago
ESP....thanks to german engeneers!
SirBismarck 2 years ago
70mph on icy road.
yes... ESP is the solution here!!!
nevermind the nutcase that would actually drive at that speed under those conditions.
tsirosgoddammit 2 years ago
ESP or DSC or whatever you want to call it, is not supposed to be helping on your day to day driving, its there for emergencies, e.g if a car pulls out in front of you, it will help you avoid it without skidding out of control, it works along side your ABS, it cant defy the law of physics.
pppscooby 2 years ago 4
Most of the cars in Australia are fitted with ESP. And the gov is making it mandatory from 2011.
Its a Life Saver!!
papadesi1 2 years ago
ESP is the biggest load of s**t in car safety. If you drive safely you won't need it. I've had ESP in my car for the past three years and minus the one time I was PURPOSELY doing donuts in it I've never had it come on, and I live in snowy, icey, Wisconsin... ESP supposedly dramatically cuts the chance of rolling a SUV over. 95% of rollovers are tripped meaning a car hits a curb, gravel, barrier, etc. ESP isn't going to help with that. The only time its going to help is if your driving recklessly
Planeguy13 2 years ago
"never came on"? My esp will even prevent me from accelerating sometimes. I'll punch the gas on ice and nothing, it won't allow me. Maybe you had shitty ESP.
vdub350 2 years ago
Thats traction control controlling your acceleration, not stability control. Traction Control keeps your wheels from spinning when accelerating, mine comes on all the time, ESP only comes on during emergency situations (like when you go around a corner to fast) that you wouldn't get yourself into if you were driving safely.
Planeguy13 2 years ago
I was thinking of traction control lol. Never heard of stability control. Never mind me.
vdub350 2 years ago
@vdub350 that's called traction control...
wiz2111 2 years ago
@Planeguy13 If you can do donuts with your ESP on then it is worthless and you got ripped off. No properly functioning ESP would not permit the car to operate with a drive wheel spinning that much faster than the other(s).
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fuzzyjem3 2 years ago
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fuzzyjem3 2 years ago
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i want to drift.. fuck esp, fuck tcs, fuck all that babysitting shit lol
fuzzyjem3 2 years ago
the point of esp is to prevent unsteer and oversteer in slippry situation by applying braking on each wheel, which the driver can never achieve unless you have 4 padles.
sunnyjason 2 years ago
it didn't appear that he was steering the front wheels the same. much more oversteer with esp off. why that is, i don't know.
lucasmaximus2005 2 years ago
Depends on how the car is setup. Normal road car is setup for mild understeer to prvent the car from spinning. Racecars are setup more neutral or sometimes more towards oversteer for better handling. ESP basically controls the brakes individually to prevent any oversteer from happening. If you want to know exactly how it works, either message me or just google for it. The logic behind it is very simple :)
op3l 2 years ago
ESP is on my Dodge Charger and it's a life saver, just last friday I was driving down the road at 20 MPH and a car slid into my lane, I snapped the wheel to avoid it esp kicked in kept me going where I needed to. Saved my life thank you ESP
Zachman1124 2 years ago 4
Driving at 70mph on ice is suicide... You don't need ESP if you drive safe and slow down on risky situation.
hkz 2 years ago
well duh but even at 30 mph on ice you can still skid and ESP will help you no matter what. Whether its dry or wet or ice or what ever I know the stabilitrak on my yukon has kept it inline.
Rlnthndr 2 years ago 3
You're absolutely right to an extent. ESP controls what you as a driver cannot fully control. Skidding on ice will happen no matter how slow you go, and that's where ESP comes in. It also works for you if you should hydroplane and find your car starting to slide.
op3l 2 years ago
If you skid on ice your wheels aren't gripping the ground and are slipping... ESP isn't going to make a difference.
Planeguy13 2 years ago
yea you have a point.. But still, it's not like it adds extra weight to a car or whatever, so I'd rather have the opportunity to have it then not and then feel bad about not having it.
Also, driving safe like you said is always safer than any technology.
op3l 2 years ago
Oh yeah there definitely isn't a downside to having it. I'm just pointing out that more than 1/3-1/2 of all fatal accidents could be prevented if everyone drove like they should. ESC could contribute to accidents if people get the idea that they can swerve, go into 20mph curves at 80mph, etc. and their car will magically correct the maneuver. Also, someone who can't afford a car with ESC shouldn't fear for their life just because it doesn't have it. Drive safely and you'll be just as safe.
Planeguy13 2 years ago
@Planeguy13 Wrong again. As the car senses the potential skid, it first reduces engine output then applies the ABS brakes to the individual wheel to help counteract the slide. It is designed to help, but not intended to replace common sense driving. Im a R & D tech for BOSCH.
kodiak410a 1 year ago
I lost traction to my rear wheels today, and my Peugeot 407 has ESP.
I compleatly paniced, but i felt the left rear wheel suddenly brake (without my command) then the front right.....it immediatly corrected the skid and brought me to a hault!!!!
I was like OH YESS!!
chadwick828 2 years ago
ESP is indeed valuable in slippery situations. Since the driver has no control over brakes of individual wheel. The driver cannot replicate the control of what the ESP gives (unless theres are brake pedals for each individual wheel ofcourse).
It's the sort of thing that is happening in aviation, most of the the modern planes are fly by wire, which means you just turn the stick to wear you want to go and the computer adjust the control surfaces and compensates in any condition to go there.
dabambz 2 years ago
ESP can be very valuable on larger HSG vehicles, but it needs to be deflatable. There are times where it causes way more trouble than anything else.
theoriginalca7erham 2 years ago
what show is this
tipy123 2 years ago
If people learned to drive properly (ie not swerving to avoid deer, not going to fast on conditions) electronic stability control wouldn't be needed.
Planeguy13 2 years ago
making sense, something you should learn to do
trahamaify 2 years ago
I lived in Wisconsin, and it does snow; get quite icy at times.
And although I've never had an accident in the particulars of snow/hazardous conditions, I would still rather drive a car equipped with VSA, ESP, Traction control, Anti-Lock brakes, and such. I just don't let all those luxuries overcome me as a false sense of security; I am still aware that many accident is caused by driver's error.
ScorpioFuror 2 years ago
If.... "IFes" are obvious :P...
jlora018 2 years ago
The driver of this video was obviously to drive in a certain manner. The traction control piece on ice was particularly ridiculous. He was attempting to drive on the ice from a dead stop first, then took a run on spinning the tires hard and finally he drove onto it using momentum and kept a steady throttle. The last one would have worked without traction control.
Traction control has its place but is over rated. Stability control on the other hand is truly valuable.
pcmr57 2 years ago
if you know how traction control works you know its not simply cuting the power back.
on most cars, open diff sends more power to the wheel that has less grip. so on a half ice half pavement situation, the wheel on the ice would take most of the power spinning whilst the one on pavement wont go at all.
traction control applies brake on the spinning tire so that the power can go to the one has more traction, so you can get out. very clever.
sunnyjason 2 years ago 2
He did not even try to keep straight in the first run with ESP off...?
Keep your eye on his front wheels...he did not even try to steer into it.
Why exaggerate...it makes this test useless or look phony...
I know ESP works well...I have it on my car, but this video sucks...the driver is an idiot...he put that car out of control deliberate...!
What... you think were are blind...?
Postofficejoe 2 years ago
Anyone who is good at driving can control a skid without ESP. However I do agree every car should have ESP and Traction Control for those who cannot drive well.
decelectronicsltd 2 years ago
my dad told me a story when he was in canada when it was 2 degrees and the ground was iced, and he was driving a yaris and he turned into a lot and slid and was like 5 feet away from the car and the ABS kicked in and the tires didnt lock up, so it made him slide and slide and he missed the car by 1 inch, to me, abs is kinda pointless.....
xXShadowRejectsXx 2 years ago
That makes absolutely no sense at all. If your dad was able to lock up the wheels he'd not have missed the car by an inch, he would've hit it. Locking up all 4 wheels in slick conditions will not stop or slow the car faster than ABS could. A lockup turns your tires into skis and you'll go where your momentum sends you. It's basic physics.
eltonit0 2 years ago
locking up the wheels in ice stops you better, (well for me) probably kuz i drive a truck with huge all terrainers :D
xXShadowRejectsXx 2 years ago
Nah, basic physics say otherwise. First, locking and turning can help you turn the car, which can be useful for consuming the kinetic energy in slow stops. Second, especially on snow, locking up starts gathering snow under the wheel and creating a more effective stop than you'd think. But then again, how much HAVE you driven on snow & ice?
kintverbal 2 years ago
You're wrong about that. ABS takes longer to stop in ice and especially in snow. If you can lock up your tires in snow it builds up in front of the wheels and creates more friction to stop. Just pump the brakes to free wheel for a short distance to regain steering control. You've obviously never driven in serious winter conditions.
Early to Mid 90s GM and Chryslers were notorious for that. They didn't program their systems to account for snow. Many Japanese systems did. Honda's were superb.
pcmr57 2 years ago
The Honda ALB1 system in my 1990 Acura Legend is terrible on dry pavement. It is not quick enough to unlock the wheels. It chirps terribly, and when you get below 5mph it just goes into a skid. On gravel and ice it's a different story though. My car stops six feet shorter from 30mph on gravel, and much straighter. Same on Ice, very good stability when the system engages. It is still slow, and requires some back off on the pedal to turn.
karkraz 2 years ago
most abs equipped cars have no abs when its too slow cuz the sensor cant read wheel speed.
sunnyjason 2 years ago
I think the point of ABS is not only to stop sooner, its also to give you steering control while braking so you don't accidentally lock the wheels.
dabambz 2 years ago 2
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Dad driving a Yaris come on that bullshit car
Altezza447 2 years ago
LOL!
xXShadowRejectsXx 2 years ago
did you not get the video or are you just stupid ?
mabdiuhrman 2 years ago 2
non, your moms the stupid one to sleep with me, tell her i said sorry about her pussy...
xXShadowRejectsXx 2 years ago
ABS can definitely be a detriment on ice and snow. I live in Canada and have experienced that several times. Some cars are worse than others.
pcmr57 2 years ago
yea...
xXShadowRejectsXx 2 years ago
Chuck a Subaru on their, it'll climb easy as!
Matty231 2 years ago
3:51 LMAO
hctkko 2 years ago
I worked an accident and this video is similar to reality and I have pictures of my car matching the same video
samehxman 2 years ago