@lizziecarini Is there anything wrong with killing a newborn child so that he does not have to live in harsh conditions? How about your struggling teenager? or Grandma who just doesn't seem to have much to live for? You cannot imagine what the innocent human life of the yet unborn child you kill will become. Look at President Obama. He's lucky his mother didn't abort him, coming from a broken family, and a single mom. But now he's our first black president b/c his mom chose life.
He no longer loved his wife. And he was tired -- so very tired -- of supporting her. It was so inconvenient! He wanted to date other women and hang with his buddies.
So he hired an aborter to come to his house, knock a hole in his wife's head, and suction out her brain. Then they cut off her arms and legs and threw the fetus pieces into a dumpster.
(U.S. House Bill 13: "a fetus is defined as anyone not paying taxes.")
It was legal. Laws only existed to protect the rich and powerful.
The Anti-Life Creed (the back-hand of Pro-Choice):
A man has the right to do whatever he wants with his body, including kill someone with it. Laws do not exist to protect the innocent, small, and vulnerable. Laws only exist to protect the rich and powerful.
The Pro-Life Creed:
All life is sacred, including yours. Laws exist to protect you, also.
we only care about life when it's in a womans uterus, after that point we'll do are best to avoid taking any responsibility for your well-being. Most of us will even vote Republican, ensuring that the life we allowed you to have will be filled with misery as the mother who didn't want you will have to live off of food stamps while you go to an over crowded school, and watch your future rot into nothing in a bad economy with no jobs
I'm stating that most "pro-lifers" only focus on having women carry their fetuses to term, but tend to have little to no solutions for what's to be done after the birth, and will also vote for politicians who will make it extremely difficult for a lot of women to raise a child.
This is why I see the "pro-life" label as being ridiculous, since most of you are really just "anti-abortion" who want to control womens bodies and care little for the well being of life
I would love for America to stop spending $trillions on supporting the military industrial complex and bring our tax money back where it belongs -- into working as one big American community.
We could give famine aid to our neighbors but not weapons aid. Other than that, we need to keep our money in America and fix things here.
Large corporations have destroyed small industry and removed jobs. So Americans need basic help in receiving food and shelter. Babies would benefit.
The government is only one part, but hat will you do, as a self-declared pro-lifer for these women and children if you're going to ban abortions?
Will you take care of these pregnant women, ensuring them the support they'll need throughout their pregnancy? Will you ensure they'll all be able to put them babies into loving homes, or help them to raise them themselves if they choose? Will you put money into helping to raise these children? Contribute to their college funds, etc?
Now what would you give a would-be bank robber as a consolation prize since you outlawed robbing banks?
Would you pay his mortgage for him? Buy him a big screen TV, and maybe a motorcycle? After all, you passed the law outlawing bank robbery, so that has affected his financial future. Does that mean it's your responsibility to secure his financial future?
At some point, people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
And there it is, thank you for showing me the underlying hateful selfishness of the "pro-life movement". You really don't care about babies or life, it's all about punishing women for having sex, seeing how the majority of you are repressed religious fanatics
If you people actually cared about babies you would do something to help women who want to keep them but feel like they can't, such as helping them throughout their pregnancy and afterwards
If you want to ban legal abortions, you have to be prepared to take care of all the babies that are born from women who would have had an abortion had they been legal
If you aren't prepared to step-up and take responsibility for these babies than you're in no position to tell a woman, who does admit that she isn't prepared or willing to raise a child, that she can't abort her fetus
This isn't about "winning" it's about being realistic
Having sex is not an "invitation" to a pregnancy, nor is any woman responsible to carry a bloody blastocyst to term
If you feel like this a responsibility for your life, go right ahead, but stay the heck out of other peoples lives and bodies. Religious gobblegosh has no place in civil law
You see, some people don't care about the most vulnerable in our society. They only care about themselves.
So part of my standing up for the rights of the most vulnerable among us (unborn babies), I try to illustrate to people who care only about themselves that is in their best interest to live in a country in which all lives are seen as sacred, including theirs.
As I already mentioned, you stated the true meaning of your views which are set in your disgust at women having sex, which has nothing to do with protecting babies. If you actually cared about life you'd do everything you could and give everything you had to make a world where the lives of all people, especially unwanted children, are taken care of
But instead you want to bitch about abortions, the hell with the millions of babies that will be born with no one to take care of them
and yet you have offered zeros solutions or contributions as to what to do with all the millions of babies that will be born if abortion is made illegal
adoption is not always a good idea. There are currently over 250 million orphans in the world, most of them will never be adopted and grow-out of the system without a guardian. Not to mention we just hit 7 billion people not long ago in a planet that can only sustain up to 9 billion
That's an excellent preventative method, that sometimes fails
I'm speaking in terms of solutions as to what you "pro-lifers" plan on doing with all the millions of babies who have no one to take care of/provide for them
I was sent this comment but see it's been removed, anyways, to answer you reply;
if you honestly think women will stop having sex except when they want to conceive, and that includes married women, than I think you're living in lala land
Not to mention, we don't all hold your myopic views on life, nor does the law
PCA has recently begun a paid ad campaign to attack Ron Paul's 2012, and is paying a very large amount to have a top ad. This should tell you that the system has become desperate. PCA however leaves out the fact that some states would surely still have abortion legal in a Ron Paul America, and unlike O'Bama he would never take actions through executive order. Meaning it would go through Congress, and more so the people. Thereby preserving abortion in some states. Pro-choice is still Pro-Paul !
if aliens are friendly.. and they require bovine blood to survive (cows) then.. why don't they assist women with abortions to get the fetus? That would eliminate 300,000 abortions in the USA each year - and also feed the alien..
Oh .. that's morbid.. better to throw the fetus in the trash ..
Actually, none at all. And is that meant as a compliment? (I recall from my catholic days that having faith was a good thing). I guess I'll appreciate the sentiment then.
Let me reccomend you a poem about atheism here on youtube: "Atheism is" by Richard Coughlan
Of all the "mircales" at lourdes, its funny how none have ever involved unambigious occurences such as regrowing a severed limb. And I recall that Belgian philosopher Etienne Vermeersch pointed out that there have been more fatal accidents suffered by pilgrims on their way to or from Lourdes than there have been cures.
Anwyays, its called the "Placebo Effect". Wishful thinking has an amazing effect on the human body sometimes. Vermeersch coined it "The Lourdes Effect."
I was raised a catholic and was a devout one. THAT was my time of darkness, led by blind faith and a closed mind. Luckliy I managed to wake up and see the light of reason and logic.
No, no one "had to start all that exists." That is a very childish belief and the mindset of someone terrified of the dark.
Are you aware the church has only recognized four "miracle cures" since 1978? Not very good odds there. But I think a vacation to Southern France is a boost to anybody.
It was once justice (and is in many parts of the word today) to kill those of a different faith for god. It was once justice to cut off hands and feet. Justice and morality are a human invention.
LOL "god." Woke up from thait fairy tale a long time ago. But I'll play along.
Nowehere in the bible is abortion forbidden or condemned. In fact the bible itself places the value of a woman above that of an embryo.
As for the "thou shall not kill" claim, take another look at the bible. Apparently homosexuals, women who are not virgins, disobedient children, adulterers or people who work on the sabbath or cut their hair at the temples are excempt from that little rule.
people who use the Bible to defend the pro-life movement must have not read the entire book through. The god of the Bible doesn't give a rats butt about life, he's a genocidal maniac who drowned the entire world, had pregnant womens bellies ripped open and their fetuses slashed with swords on the ground, burns pregnant women at the stake, stones children to death, and the list goes on.
And forced miscarriage is treated as a property crime for the husband, it's not even a sin
@IrishEddieOHara Oh, so a human BEEING is killed. A precious piece of HUMAN DNA. So my hair deserves rights too?! Come on. A fetus may be living, but it's NOT a being. A being needs rights. A being NEEDS them. In order to NEED something, you have to be conscious, you need to be able to experience a form of pain, you need to be tangible and susceptible. THAT is why we need rights. Most animals, human or not, need rights. Fetuses don't. Repeat: They don't NEED rights, because they're just flesh!
@vgman94 If the sensation of pain and consciousness makes it wrong to kill someone, what makes it wrong for me to drug you so that you are unconscious and cant feel pain AND then kill you! Is murder wrong when you are asleep? Fetuses can feel pain by 8 weeks after fertilization anyway. BUT its not pain which makes murder wrong, it's the fact that a human person who has a right to life is killed. Pain is irrelevant. Consciousness is irrelevant. Life and personhood begin at conception!
@aguernz Personhood requires intelligence and the ability to absorb information. Fetuses are NOT people. Fetuses don't feel pain until the 26th week. That 8-week figure is skewered pro-life mentality, pal. Also, PSYCHE: Learn it. A psyche is a construct that exists within the mind at all times, which is how we dream. My psyche would still exist and thus my mind after you drug me and kill me, thus making it wrong. A fetus has no psyche formed. Human or not is irrelevant. Stop being speciesist.
@vgman94 What I am hearing you argue is that an unborn baby is a human, non-person. Enter slavery, nazis, genocide, etc. If human rights are based upon some fluffy concept like a psyche, why not kill newborn babies or mentally retarded people, what about people in comas (no dreams) or vegetative states. Under your definition, such human beings are non-persons and have no rights to life, liberty, etc. Please kindly prove your assertion that Personhood requires intelligence, and not being human!
@aguernz Man is a rational animal. He is composed of body and rational soul. The soul is the life principle of the body, and allows the human person to grow, reproduce, sense and think. Since man's rational soul has immaterial ideas like 1+1=2, the soul must be immaterial and invisible - a single unit without parts. For an unborn baby, its functions are limited to growth and (soon) sensation, but it still is a person because it has a rational soul. It just cant use its power to think yet.
@aguernz Also... You call my assertions fluffy, yet you talk about "rational souls" and thinking. I am beginning to think you're not really worth replying too. I've met pro-lifers with more decent assertions than your own, and with less hypocrisy.
@vgman94 But it isn't the feeling of pain that makes abortion wrong. What I am suggesting is that by virtue of being a member of the human species, from conception, unborn babies are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Obama even supported killing infants that survive abortions. Where do you draw the line!? Have you seen pictures or video of abortion? Tell me the practice is not inhuman, tell me it's not barbaric. Look it up on google images if you doubt me.
@aguernz Fluffy concept? The only fluffy concept here is that some mindless lump of flesh needs rights as badly as actual human beings. Slaves, the Jews and others all could feel pain. A fetus didn't. They had family and could suffer, a fetus doesn't. The oppressed are oppressed because they can feel it. Otherwise rocks would be called oppressed. People in comas still have minds dormant, babies have a form of psyche (how else could they cry?). Vegetative states... Are trickier, I will say.
@aguernz says: If human rights are based upon some fluffy concept like a psyche, why not kill newborn babies or mentally retarded people,
~~~~~~~~~ Oh, for Christs sake, grow up, get educated!! A person is recognized by law as such, not because he is human, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The person is the LEGAL subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attribute
@Sueezee1 The question is not what is the law as it stands, but what should the law be. Personhood exists apart from the law. The Jews killed in the holocaust were persons although the Nazi government did not recognize those rights. The unborn are persons with rights because they are unique and independent members of the human species just as you are, and NOT b/c of the unjust laws which allow abortion (murder). Does a trip down the birth canal really objectively change anything in the fetus?
@aguernz says: Personhood exists apart from the law.
~~~~~~~~ Your e wrong. It denotes NOTHING but an individual with rights. What is a NON person: Its one who lacks, loses, or is forcibly denied social or legal status, especially basic human rights, or who effectively ceases to have a record, or never had a record of their existence within a society from a point of view of traceability, documentation, or existence. . That proves a fetus is NOT a person.
@Sueezee1 You insult the dignity of every human being by suggesting that their right to life come from the state! Read the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;"
It's an irrefutable scientific fact: "Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."
"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 2003, p. 16,2
The question is, when does objective (not legal) personhood begin and why? Is it at birth? What does birth really do to the fetus? A newborn is dependent on its mother too. How about viability? Well our technology improves with time to allow for more premature birth. How about pain sensation? A fetus feels pain by 20 weeks anyway, but if I kill a man after sedating him, it would still be wrong, no? The answer is CONCEPTION! Scientifically, this is when a unique organism with its own DNA begins.
@aguernz says: What does birth really do to the fetus?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It conceptualizes aspects FUNDEMENTAL to the self. It refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character. There can be no meaning or "personhood" for someone cocooned inside another's body.
@aguernz ssya: A fetus feels pain by 20 weeks anyway, but if I kill a man after sedating him, it would still be wrong, no?
~~~~~~~~~~~ NO...Stop confusing sciencentific law with legal law. This is all about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science
@Sueezee1 YES Roe v. Wade made abortion legal, but the ruling was against human rights.How is it health care for a mother to kill her child? The fetus is not "part of the woman's body." The fetus has different DNA, and by certain stages it can move, beat its heart, feel pain and suck its thumb and exhibit brain activity. The "right to privacy" fails to recognize that the fetus is not part of the mother, but a human being with a natural right to life, which the law ought to recognize.
Why can't you understand that laws are just only insofar as they derived from the way things are? Science is one thing that tells us about the way things are. A fetus is a person because it meets the scientific criteria for a human person, just as you do (ie. uniqueness, no additional dna, growth, development). Laws or court rulings like Roe. v. Wade, which contradict the fact that an unborn child has natural rights, are unjust and should be revoked. How is this confusing anything???
@Sueezee1 Look up on google images pictures of unborn babies, and then look up a couple of pictures of abortion, and then reply to this comment. If you have not looked at what abortion is, or what an unborn baby is, how can we even have this discussion about whether abortion is immoral or violates the human rights of the unborn baby. Answer this question: WHAT DOES BIRTH REALLY CHANGE ABOUT THE FETUS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY LAWS WHICH ALLOW THE UNBORN BABY TO BE "LEGALLY" SLAUGHTERED?
@Sueezee1 How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being. You are speaking nonsense. Define a human being! Being human or being a person cannot depend on what laws the state puts in place. It is human persons who create the state and give it authority to begin with.
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Why do probirthers always need prochoicers to teach them? I should get paid for this! Lets look at the LEGAL def of a human being. By the way, did you know you need a legal dictionary for legal terms?? Black's Law Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals.
@laguernsey says: Being human or being a person cannot depend on what laws the state puts in place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you frickin serious???? Thats like saying the act of murder isnt necessarily a crime just because the law says it is. How old are you?
@laguernsey says: t is human persons who create the state and give it authority to begin with.
~~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT?? What in the hell does THAT mean??? That because our lawmakers are human persons that they cant make laws??? Geeeeez, lets this keep this on an intellectual level, or why even bother! Explain your comment
@Sueezee1 You insult the dignity of every human being by suggesting that their right to life come from the state! Read the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;"
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~ Why are you in here debating, yet you dont know that? A human BEING, in the law, and thats ALL we go by, acts in the forms determined by the whole preceding development of history. The forms of human activity are objectively embodied in all material culture, in the implements of labour, in language, concepts, in systems of social norms. Thats NOT an embryo
@laguernsey says:How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Slaves were of the human species but they did not get the title "human being" until they got rights. A fetus dosent get the title until birth when it gets its rights. Why cant you grasp this simple concept?
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you know, in the law, its perfectly legal to kill humans...IF you can figure out a way to kill a species, but its illegal to kill human beings, people with the right not to be killed? Are you getting it, or do you not want to? Knowledge is power you know.
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
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A "human being" is recognized by law as such, NOT BECAUSE HE IS HUMAN,, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The human being is the legal subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attributes.
@Sueezee1 If a human being is only a human being because the law ascribes this right to him, this begs the question of whether and why the state should call anyone a human being. Should the state treat apes as human beings, no because they are apes. How about dogs, no they are dogs. What about fetuses? well, fetuses are humans at an early stage of development, like teenagers are humans at middle stages of development. Your claims that human beings are merely legal subjects is absurd.
@aguernz says: If a human being is only a human being because the law ascribes this right to him, this begs the question of whether and why the state should call anyone a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ That would also go for the term "murder". Should the state call an illegal killing murder????? you argument demonstrates a profound lack of reasoning and sophistication
@aguernz says: Your claims that human beings are merely legal subjects is absurd.
~~~~~~~~ Dont you uneducated idiots know that this IS ABOUT THE LAW???? Thats ALL!!! Your childish idea that it SHOULDN'T be, is nothing but a lack of rational thinking & knowledge . Its like saying an appendectomy shouldnt be about science/medicine because YOU dont like it. Stay uneducated, prochoice thanks you for that!
@Sueezee1 Who cares about what the law is now? Thanks to democracy, we can change laws in America. The laws we make as an American people to outlaw injustices like abortion ought to reflect human rights and the common good. If you can't understand this instead of calling me stupid, just read the Declaration of Independence and our Founding Fathers and see how they viewed the law as subordinate to human rights which come from the CREATOR and are inalienable.
@Sueezee1 A 2011 june gallup poll finds 48% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" and 46% "pro-choice", and a majority of Americans think abortion should be legal only in a few circumstances. People are becoming educated as to what an unborn child truly is and looks like. Why is it that planned parenthood doesn't want women to see their ultrasounds? The abortion industry isn't even interested in helping women make good or informed choices they want, they just want money from abortions!
@Sueezee1 My reason is because an unborn baby is treated as an animal or property (remember slavery) with no right to life when in fact it is scientifically a human being with a right to life given to it BY ITS CREATOR and therefore the STATE ought to legally recognize all human life from fertilization as legal persons. It's so simple and it's in the declaration of independence: that all men are endowed by their creator with rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
@Sueezee1 Human beings exist whether or not government and laws exists. Look up human being in the dictionary and you get more than a legal definition which changes with time and place. Before Roe v. Wade, unborn babies were understood to be legal persons. Doctors were told they had two patients during a prenancy. You seem to be missing the point that the laws we make partake of the nature of law only so far as they are derived from the law of nature, ex. that humans have human rights
@aguernz says: Human beings exist whether or not government and laws exists
~~~~~~~~~~ Damn, thats one reason abortion is legal, because a fatus isnt a human being. Heres one for you.... you can make abortion illegal TODAY...take that intelligent info to the Supreme Court and it will end forever. You will be the hero of the idiots. Ok, what are you waiting on sweetie? Eagerly awaiting your response that WONT come..hahahahah. Ilove dumb people
@Sueezee1 You are WRONG. Every science textbook in print today says that human life and development begin at fertilization. Look it up! A fetus has its own complete DNA and chromosomes, which have predetermined the child's sex,eye color, intelligence, etc The only difference between you as a fetus and you today is TIME and NUTRITION. Look up a picture of abortion and tell me its not killing a human! Stop blindly believing what a couple of unelected judges in the 1970's decided for everyone else.
~~~~~~~ Sure I am...thats why MY ideas on legal abortion mesh with the laws that make it LEGAL. Whats you excuse if YOURE the "right" one? By the way, why arnt you on your way to the Supreme Court to make known your "right" information that will make aboriton illegal? Dont bother me anymore with your pipe dreams. Im right, youre wrong, i won, you lost. End of story.
@Sueezee1 LEGAL does not mean MORALLY CORRECT. Slavery was LEGAL, but it was IMMORAL. Time will tell when Roe. v. Wade is challenged in the Supreme Court again. Just for the record, 4 supreme court justices agree with my position. So I guess I'm not so crazy. Missisippi almost passed the personhood amendment to define legal personhood at fertilization. It's only a matter of time before the new prolife majority in America passes laws which bring abortion back before the supreme court.
@aguernz says: Look up a picture of abortion and tell me its not killing a human!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahaha, SOooooooo defining a human is done by a photograph??? LOLOL, God, I love dumb people, especially probirthers. It makes me realize we have NOTHING to worry about.
@Sueezee1 You're right, let's not define human beings by organisms that are in the process of human development. Let's make arbitrary distinctions based on age, birth, intelligence, skin color, religion, etc. Come on! Why is a newborn a legal person after a trip down the birth canal, but the mother's private property 10 seconds before? The private property argument was also used by Southerners to keep slavery legal, but it was eventually overturned via the natural rights argument.
~~~~~~~~~~ IRRELEVANT....Biology/ Science has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade .lolol
@Sueezee1 You said: "a fetus isnt a human being." I proved you wrong because it is a scientific fact. Now, if biology and science have nothing to do with what a human being is, how do I know that you're a human being?---Because you have human dna, a human body, and are in the process of human aging and development. Fetuses always develop into human beings. Never into zebras or horses or giraffes. Why is this so difficult for you to understand without mocking me or dodging the facts?
@aguernz says: Before Roe v. Wade, unborn babies were understood to be legal persons.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahaha, you idiot, The Constitution was written in 1787, and the term human being as held the same legal defintion since then..meaning NOT an individual w/ rights. Stay stupid darling, we're all loving this!!
@Sueezee1 Firstly, the 1787 constitution does not define human being; they figure we'd be smart enough to figure it out. Secondly, the 14th amendment protects the rights of persons. Thirdly, when the constitution was written, they didn't have modern science to tell them that human life begins at fertilization. They had no ultrasounds or knowledge of sperm or egg cells until much later. If they had the info we have today, our founders would surely NOT exclude protecting fetal human beings.
@Sueezee1 Justice Harry Blackmun stated in Roe v Wade that “The judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to... resolve the difficult question of when life begins... since those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine... are unable to arrive at any consensus." However, this statement is simply untrue. FACT: "Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization." (The Biology of Prenatal Development, National Geographic, 2006).
@aguernz human being n.a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child
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You dumbass people!!! Human being is a LEGAL term in this context. Look it up in a frickin LEGAL dictionary and you get: Black's Law Dictionary defines person AND human being as an entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals" !!! Does the "stupid" never end with you guys??
What it often comes down to is the definition of what a human is, and that generally comes from what doctors have determined based on stage of development. The subject of "when the baby can feel pain" is the main issue.
Here is what I think. We may NEVER be able to define when a baby starts to "feel", or "think", but as a Christian, I believe human life is sacred no matter what point of development it has reached. I don't care when the baby starts to feel, think, or anything else. Its a baby.
And I don't care what the law "DETERMINES" about what the definition of a human is?
Its sad that we have to discuss whether or not its okay to kill a baby because of our mistakes. Our society has become one that puts more thought into hauling the injured away, rather than putting up the fence to begin with.
@Hexl702 If you dont own your own body, you own very little else--- To me this statement applies to the conceived person in the womb. The conceived person owns his/her body.
Lila Rose :::HEEEhhahahahoooeee ::Snort!:: She gets more overblown and over-rmelodramatic by the minute.
Racists, sex traffickers -- Next she's gonna pose as a undercover satantic human sacrificer looking for fetuses -- It'll go over big with the prolickers!
She doesnt have the "guts" to go after the REAL people getting abortions -- America's mothers, sisters, daughters, lovers and good friends.
@Hexl702 No. It's because she has revealed the truth and people are now thinking. It appears to me that you have run out of intelligent things to say, which is why somebody spammed you. This argument is done.
@Hexl702 Not only that they are,but that abortionists themselves are responsible for such crimes. The Report, addressed to the governor, California legislature and attorney general, came out in July and went to every major newspaper in California, as well as to legislators on committees reviewing related bills.
@Hexl702 Abortion Clinic workers.DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN LEGAL JEOPARDY - REPORT SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE,AN UNDERAGE GIRL WHO EVIDENCES SEXUAL ACTIVITY MANDATES A REPORT.IF YOU WORK AT A CLINIC THAT IS BREAKING THE LAW,CALL 1-940-380-8800
@ekajeht says: For just admitting that every pro-lifer that has debated Hexl is pretty smart.
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Are you telling me you were smart enough to change abortion laws, and make Hex look dumber than you? Oh, ya, NONE of you 'smart" people can do that. Long live Hexl's brain!
@Sueezee1 says="Are you telling me that you were smart enough to change abortion laws?"
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How lame!
As if you or the other idiot hexl ever had anything to do with legalizing abortion in the first place.
Abortion laws ARE being changed little by little, and when we get rid of the anti-Americans in the senate and the oval office then things will REALLY start to change.
Tell your looney daughter she only has two more years to murder any more of her kids.
@Sueezee1 Why would a Jewish holocaust survivor stand on the side lines of a gas chamber, cheering on the German's about to turn the gas on their fellow Jews?
Why would a freed slave stand in the cotton field & cheer on the master who is beating one of the defenseless slaves literally to death?
Why would an abortion holocaust survivor stand in the lime light supporting,defending,condoning & even cheering the abortionist on when he is about to kill a member of the human race??
Failure to report your suspicions that a minor may be sexually active can result in charges being brought against you.In addition,you could be held liable for civil damages should the victim of this abuse or a parent of the victim file a lawsuit that involves your failure to comply with mandatory reporting laws.
If thats what the law states, Hexl is all for it. Great advice youre giving PP there, LOL!
Ha- all this stuff about "a lawsuit being filed"" These cases kinda fall apart when it depends on the testimony of a girl. Most girls dont wanna get their older boyfriends in trouble and refuse to testify.
@Sueezee1 In a summary of pro-abortion violence in the U.S.,the report lists a total of 2,297 incidents of pro-abortion violence & illegal activities.The report then goes on to list crimes committed by abortionists in California by city,citing the original sources of information. The source for much of the information came from the MEDICAL BOARD of California, which is responsible for licensing & bringing disciplinary action against state physicians.
Furthermore,you could also be named in lawsuits filed by any subsequent victim of statutory rape or other abuse,if it turns out that the perpetrator of this abuse escaped detection by law enforcement at an earlier date because of a case that you failed to report.
Income Tax Evasion! Because abortionclinics primarily operate on a cash basis,they create an environment in which it is very easy to avoid paying taxes owed to the I.R.S. This is an extremely serious issue.CALL 1-940-380-8800
@Hexl702 That will change as young ppl are not so easily brain washed. They know the truth about abortion, they know that abortion takes the life of their own flesh & blood baby, that abortion is bad for women & our society as a whole. These mother's regret their decision's for the rest of their lives, they have Post Abortion Syndrome. These brave mother's of aborted babies are speaking up! They are helping other women not go through what they went through. They are saving mother's & babies!!
@Sueezee1 Can you come up with your own logic or are you just going sit there and antagonize everyone just to prove to everyone that you can be a bitch?
@Sueezee1 If you are an employee of an abortion clinic and you conceal knowledge of a crime, you could be exposing yourself to arrest and prosecution. You may not think this applies to you. However, if this illegal activity is ever discovered, the decision about your level of involvement will not be made by you, but by a law enforcement agency or perhaps even a federal prosecutor.CALL 1-940-380-8800
@Sueezee1 ""you have to be pretty smart to win a debate with Hexl""
Thanks for the compliment, youre one kick-ass prochoicer too! Hexl learned from all of you!
LOL these dumb clucks don't realize, every time they denigrate our intelligence, thats actually an admission of failure! Losing to your 'inferiors" - is there any other standard of utter defeat? The poor dears,
@Sueezee1 Not only that they are,but that abortionists themselves are responsible for such crimes. The Report, addressed to the governor, California legislature and attorney general, came out in July and went to every major newspaper in California, as well as to legislators on committees reviewing related bills.
If your clinic is involved in Medicaid fraud,your future is in jeopardy.The U.S. Dept. of Justice has made prosecuting this crime one of its top priorities.
Insurance Fraud Do not be deceived into thinking that insurance fraud is a minor issue.Not only does law enforcement pursue this crime vigorously,but every year the insurance industry spends millions of dollars to help authorities catch those involved in this crime.Make no mistake,ppl go to jail for insurance fraud.
Thank God I did not vote for Obamanation. Figures the elite would fund a death machine that pours in billions like Planned Parenthood and other services like it. Pro-Choice is a lie. It is Pro-Death, Pro-Hate and anti-human.
I don't watch any Jack Black or Ed Harris' movies anymore because they make me sick of supporting such a view.
@Hexl702 Yeah well guess what, Planned Parenthood is not getting the best press with the expose they are revealing. Lila Rose is exposing this predatory organization very well.
And yes, the universal health care issue is backfiring on Obama. We all know that government-controlled health care results in failure and that is what this administration is.
@johanntheperv I will post for dlaz0109 what was marked as spam! Firstly, it's fascist to deny ---- The point of the prostitution example is to make it clear that government can legislate what one can do with one's own body. It's just that in one case it allows an act (abortion) in another case it denies an act (prostitution) I was trying to get a sense of if you think it is wrong to legislate control of the body in any types of acts. Is that what you think? dlaz0109 15 hours ago
@johanntheperv Seems to me that the mother has already excerised her 'reproductive rights' when she agreed to do the EXACT THING THAT CAUSES CONCEPTION. She knew SEX ALWAYS=POSSIBILITY, & then she went right ahead to have sex & helped to create a new unique individual living human being.Once she has helped to create the new life,she should have no right to kill him/her! ProLifers are not telling a mother what she can't do w/her body,we are telling her what she shouldn't do to her baby's body.
@dlaz0109 Your version of Democracy is just for people like you to shit on others (51% of the people denying the rights to the other 49%) you're an authoritarian masquerading a "democracy proponent" Legalised abortion is going to stay because it gives women the right to choose.
@johanntheperv He dosn't sound as though he is shitting on others. However sounds like your side shits on everything that is opposite of good. If people cannot control their bodies and use protection then basically I would call that "shitting" on responsiblity ect. So abortion to you would be a form of birth control.
My question I pose to all Pro-Lifers:
Which is worse? Having an abortion or trying to raise a child in horrible conditions in a society that does not believe in welfare?
lizziecarini 2 weeks ago
@lizziecarini Is there anything wrong with killing a newborn child so that he does not have to live in harsh conditions? How about your struggling teenager? or Grandma who just doesn't seem to have much to live for? You cannot imagine what the innocent human life of the yet unborn child you kill will become. Look at President Obama. He's lucky his mother didn't abort him, coming from a broken family, and a single mom. But now he's our first black president b/c his mom chose life.
aguernz 2 weeks ago
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aguernz 1 month ago
I love how the music playing is about a tryannt
happycan107 2 months ago
Year 2020:
He no longer loved his wife. And he was tired -- so very tired -- of supporting her. It was so inconvenient! He wanted to date other women and hang with his buddies.
So he hired an aborter to come to his house, knock a hole in his wife's head, and suction out her brain. Then they cut off her arms and legs and threw the fetus pieces into a dumpster.
(U.S. House Bill 13: "a fetus is defined as anyone not paying taxes.")
It was legal. Laws only existed to protect the rich and powerful.
eastariel 3 months ago
The Anti-Life Creed (the back-hand of Pro-Choice):
A man has the right to do whatever he wants with his body, including kill someone with it. Laws do not exist to protect the innocent, small, and vulnerable. Laws only exist to protect the rich and powerful.
The Pro-Life Creed:
All life is sacred, including yours. Laws exist to protect you, also.
eastariel 3 months ago
@eastariel
correction
The Pro-Life Creed:
we only care about life when it's in a womans uterus, after that point we'll do are best to avoid taking any responsibility for your well-being. Most of us will even vote Republican, ensuring that the life we allowed you to have will be filled with misery as the mother who didn't want you will have to live off of food stamps while you go to an over crowded school, and watch your future rot into nothing in a bad economy with no jobs
Go pro-life!
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 3 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
Are you saying you only value the lives of babies who are born to wealthy couples?
All lives are sacred. There is more to life than money.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
no...
I'm stating that most "pro-lifers" only focus on having women carry their fetuses to term, but tend to have little to no solutions for what's to be done after the birth, and will also vote for politicians who will make it extremely difficult for a lot of women to raise a child.
This is why I see the "pro-life" label as being ridiculous, since most of you are really just "anti-abortion" who want to control womens bodies and care little for the well being of life
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
I would love for America to stop spending $trillions on supporting the military industrial complex and bring our tax money back where it belongs -- into working as one big American community.
We could give famine aid to our neighbors but not weapons aid. Other than that, we need to keep our money in America and fix things here.
Large corporations have destroyed small industry and removed jobs. So Americans need basic help in receiving food and shelter. Babies would benefit.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
The government is only one part, but hat will you do, as a self-declared pro-lifer for these women and children if you're going to ban abortions?
Will you take care of these pregnant women, ensuring them the support they'll need throughout their pregnancy? Will you ensure they'll all be able to put them babies into loving homes, or help them to raise them themselves if they choose? Will you put money into helping to raise these children? Contribute to their college funds, etc?
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
Do you want me to buy them all cars, also?
Hey, I didn't get them pregnant. At some point, people really need to face the consequences of their own actions.
eastariel 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
Now what would you give a would-be bank robber as a consolation prize since you outlawed robbing banks?
Would you pay his mortgage for him? Buy him a big screen TV, and maybe a motorcycle? After all, you passed the law outlawing bank robbery, so that has affected his financial future. Does that mean it's your responsibility to secure his financial future?
At some point, people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
And there it is, thank you for showing me the underlying hateful selfishness of the "pro-life movement". You really don't care about babies or life, it's all about punishing women for having sex, seeing how the majority of you are repressed religious fanatics
If you people actually cared about babies you would do something to help women who want to keep them but feel like they can't, such as helping them throughout their pregnancy and afterwards
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
What, just because I can't afford to buy people cars, you're going to call me hateful?
Hey, if I had a million dollars, I could share it. But I don't. People can't afford to pay everyone else's way.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
You really don't get it do you?
If you want to ban legal abortions, you have to be prepared to take care of all the babies that are born from women who would have had an abortion had they been legal
If you aren't prepared to step-up and take responsibility for these babies than you're in no position to tell a woman, who does admit that she isn't prepared or willing to raise a child, that she can't abort her fetus
This isn't about "winning" it's about being realistic
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
She was driving on a long journey and got lonely one night, so she invited a passenger along.
After driving for awhile, she started thinking that having a passenger was inconvenient and a big responsibility.
So she sped up the car to 60, unfastened the passenger's seat belt, opened the passenger door, and shoved him out of the car.
He died, of course. But she felt entitled. After all, it was her car.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
May I ask, what the heck this has to do with taking care of unwanted babies?
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
It's about personal responsibility.
A woman has no more right to eject a baby she invited into her womb than she has to eject a passenger out of her car at high speed.
"It's my car." Not when you have passengers.
"It's my body." Not when you have passengers.
Have you ever heard of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?
It's not the government's job to take care of everyone. We're supposed to take care of ourselves.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
Having sex is not an "invitation" to a pregnancy, nor is any woman responsible to carry a bloody blastocyst to term
If you feel like this a responsibility for your life, go right ahead, but stay the heck out of other peoples lives and bodies. Religious gobblegosh has no place in civil law
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
So what if someone pointed a gun at you and threatened to shoot?
What if the shooter told the bystanders to mind their own business?
Should they?
The most vulnerable in our society need protection, too. I vote Yes to protect them, and you.
eastariel 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
You see, some people don't care about the most vulnerable in our society. They only care about themselves.
So part of my standing up for the rights of the most vulnerable among us (unborn babies), I try to illustrate to people who care only about themselves that is in their best interest to live in a country in which all lives are seen as sacred, including theirs.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
As I already mentioned, you stated the true meaning of your views which are set in your disgust at women having sex, which has nothing to do with protecting babies. If you actually cared about life you'd do everything you could and give everything you had to make a world where the lives of all people, especially unwanted children, are taken care of
But instead you want to bitch about abortions, the hell with the millions of babies that will be born with no one to take care of them
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
ah hem ... this video is about abortion. This is where I stand up for the little babies.
There are other sites where we stand up for other persecuted people, but I think the babies deserve some defense. So this is a good place for that.
Adoption is a good adoption. There are plenty of parents waiting to adopt a baby.
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
and yet you have offered zeros solutions or contributions as to what to do with all the millions of babies that will be born if abortion is made illegal
adoption is not always a good idea. There are currently over 250 million orphans in the world, most of them will never be adopted and grow-out of the system without a guardian. Not to mention we just hit 7 billion people not long ago in a planet that can only sustain up to 9 billion
We don't need people breeding who don't want to
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
Here's a solution.
RUBBERS!
eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
That's an excellent preventative method, that sometimes fails
I'm speaking in terms of solutions as to what you "pro-lifers" plan on doing with all the millions of babies who have no one to take care of/provide for them
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
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eastariel 2 months ago
@eastariel
I was sent this comment but see it's been removed, anyways, to answer you reply;
if you honestly think women will stop having sex except when they want to conceive, and that includes married women, than I think you're living in lala land
Not to mention, we don't all hold your myopic views on life, nor does the law
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
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@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn OOPS! edit:
Well guess what? People will think twice about getting pregnant. They will no longer have that "safety net" called abortion.
And, as I said, adoption is a good option.
Murder is not a good form of birth control.
eastariel 2 months ago
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PCA has recently begun a paid ad campaign to attack Ron Paul's 2012, and is paying a very large amount to have a top ad. This should tell you that the system has become desperate. PCA however leaves out the fact that some states would surely still have abortion legal in a Ron Paul America, and unlike O'Bama he would never take actions through executive order. Meaning it would go through Congress, and more so the people. Thereby preserving abortion in some states. Pro-choice is still Pro-Paul !
OneLoveSmile 4 months ago
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@AlbertaJCW001 says: God will forgive all sins.
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Wow, thats means everyone can have an abortion and will be forgiven!! You just blew the " God will getcha" theory!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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if aliens are friendly.. and they require bovine blood to survive (cows) then.. why don't they assist women with abortions to get the fetus? That would eliminate 300,000 abortions in the USA each year - and also feed the alien..
Oh .. that's morbid.. better to throw the fetus in the trash ..
or .. perhaps pro-life is a better solution .. ?
pbatusa 7 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
"Atheism requires a lot of faith."
Actually, none at all. And is that meant as a compliment? (I recall from my catholic days that having faith was a good thing). I guess I'll appreciate the sentiment then.
Let me reccomend you a poem about atheism here on youtube: "Atheism is" by Richard Coughlan
loner1878 8 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
Of all the "mircales" at lourdes, its funny how none have ever involved unambigious occurences such as regrowing a severed limb. And I recall that Belgian philosopher Etienne Vermeersch pointed out that there have been more fatal accidents suffered by pilgrims on their way to or from Lourdes than there have been cures.
Anwyays, its called the "Placebo Effect". Wishful thinking has an amazing effect on the human body sometimes. Vermeersch coined it "The Lourdes Effect."
loner1878 8 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
I was raised a catholic and was a devout one. THAT was my time of darkness, led by blind faith and a closed mind. Luckliy I managed to wake up and see the light of reason and logic.
No, no one "had to start all that exists." That is a very childish belief and the mindset of someone terrified of the dark.
Are you aware the church has only recognized four "miracle cures" since 1978? Not very good odds there. But I think a vacation to Southern France is a boost to anybody.
loner1878 8 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
It was once justice (and is in many parts of the word today) to kill those of a different faith for god. It was once justice to cut off hands and feet. Justice and morality are a human invention.
loner1878 8 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
LOL "god." Woke up from thait fairy tale a long time ago. But I'll play along.
Nowehere in the bible is abortion forbidden or condemned. In fact the bible itself places the value of a woman above that of an embryo.
As for the "thou shall not kill" claim, take another look at the bible. Apparently homosexuals, women who are not virgins, disobedient children, adulterers or people who work on the sabbath or cut their hair at the temples are excempt from that little rule.
loner1878 8 months ago 3
@loner1878
people who use the Bible to defend the pro-life movement must have not read the entire book through. The god of the Bible doesn't give a rats butt about life, he's a genocidal maniac who drowned the entire world, had pregnant womens bellies ripped open and their fetuses slashed with swords on the ground, burns pregnant women at the stake, stones children to death, and the list goes on.
And forced miscarriage is treated as a property crime for the husband, it's not even a sin
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 3 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara
LOL, you're the one trying to argue with semantics alone. The law clearly says its not murder.
loner1878 8 months ago
@IrishEddieOHara Oh, so a human BEEING is killed. A precious piece of HUMAN DNA. So my hair deserves rights too?! Come on. A fetus may be living, but it's NOT a being. A being needs rights. A being NEEDS them. In order to NEED something, you have to be conscious, you need to be able to experience a form of pain, you need to be tangible and susceptible. THAT is why we need rights. Most animals, human or not, need rights. Fetuses don't. Repeat: They don't NEED rights, because they're just flesh!
vgman94 8 months ago 2
@vgman94 If the sensation of pain and consciousness makes it wrong to kill someone, what makes it wrong for me to drug you so that you are unconscious and cant feel pain AND then kill you! Is murder wrong when you are asleep? Fetuses can feel pain by 8 weeks after fertilization anyway. BUT its not pain which makes murder wrong, it's the fact that a human person who has a right to life is killed. Pain is irrelevant. Consciousness is irrelevant. Life and personhood begin at conception!
aguernz 1 month ago
@aguernz Personhood requires intelligence and the ability to absorb information. Fetuses are NOT people. Fetuses don't feel pain until the 26th week. That 8-week figure is skewered pro-life mentality, pal. Also, PSYCHE: Learn it. A psyche is a construct that exists within the mind at all times, which is how we dream. My psyche would still exist and thus my mind after you drug me and kill me, thus making it wrong. A fetus has no psyche formed. Human or not is irrelevant. Stop being speciesist.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94 What I am hearing you argue is that an unborn baby is a human, non-person. Enter slavery, nazis, genocide, etc. If human rights are based upon some fluffy concept like a psyche, why not kill newborn babies or mentally retarded people, what about people in comas (no dreams) or vegetative states. Under your definition, such human beings are non-persons and have no rights to life, liberty, etc. Please kindly prove your assertion that Personhood requires intelligence, and not being human!
aguernz 1 month ago
@aguernz Man is a rational animal. He is composed of body and rational soul. The soul is the life principle of the body, and allows the human person to grow, reproduce, sense and think. Since man's rational soul has immaterial ideas like 1+1=2, the soul must be immaterial and invisible - a single unit without parts. For an unborn baby, its functions are limited to growth and (soon) sensation, but it still is a person because it has a rational soul. It just cant use its power to think yet.
aguernz 1 month ago
@aguernz Also... You call my assertions fluffy, yet you talk about "rational souls" and thinking. I am beginning to think you're not really worth replying too. I've met pro-lifers with more decent assertions than your own, and with less hypocrisy.
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@vgman94 But it isn't the feeling of pain that makes abortion wrong. What I am suggesting is that by virtue of being a member of the human species, from conception, unborn babies are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Obama even supported killing infants that survive abortions. Where do you draw the line!? Have you seen pictures or video of abortion? Tell me the practice is not inhuman, tell me it's not barbaric. Look it up on google images if you doubt me.
aguernz 1 month ago
@aguernz Fluffy concept? The only fluffy concept here is that some mindless lump of flesh needs rights as badly as actual human beings. Slaves, the Jews and others all could feel pain. A fetus didn't. They had family and could suffer, a fetus doesn't. The oppressed are oppressed because they can feel it. Otherwise rocks would be called oppressed. People in comas still have minds dormant, babies have a form of psyche (how else could they cry?). Vegetative states... Are trickier, I will say.
vgman94 1 month ago
@aguernz says: If human rights are based upon some fluffy concept like a psyche, why not kill newborn babies or mentally retarded people,
~~~~~~~~~ Oh, for Christs sake, grow up, get educated!! A person is recognized by law as such, not because he is human, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The person is the LEGAL subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attribute
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@aguernz says: Please kindly prove your assertion that Personhood requires intelligence, and not being human!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ YOU prove it dosent. Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response that i will not get becuase you cant prove it.
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@aguernz says: Life and personhood begin at conception!
~~~~~~~~~~ if it did, aboriton wold be illegal. It illegal to kill persons/people at will. Youre not too bright, are you?
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 The question is not what is the law as it stands, but what should the law be. Personhood exists apart from the law. The Jews killed in the holocaust were persons although the Nazi government did not recognize those rights. The unborn are persons with rights because they are unique and independent members of the human species just as you are, and NOT b/c of the unjust laws which allow abortion (murder). Does a trip down the birth canal really objectively change anything in the fetus?
aguernz 3 weeks ago
@aguernz says: Personhood exists apart from the law.
~~~~~~~~ Your e wrong. It denotes NOTHING but an individual with rights. What is a NON person: Its one who lacks, loses, or is forcibly denied social or legal status, especially basic human rights, or who effectively ceases to have a record, or never had a record of their existence within a society from a point of view of traceability, documentation, or existence. . That proves a fetus is NOT a person.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@aguernz says: The Jews killed in the holocaust were persons although the Nazi government did not recognize those rights.
~~~~~~~~~ Germany was run by a dictating nutcase. Please, dont insult my intelligence like that.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 You insult the dignity of every human being by suggesting that their right to life come from the state! Read the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;"
aguernz 2 weeks ago
@aguernz says: The unborn are persons with rights because they are unique and independent members of the human species just as you are
~~~~~~~~~~ NO, they do NOT. Why do you lie? Do you actually think I'll fall for it? Youre not talking to a prolifer, ya know!!
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
It's an irrefutable scientific fact: "Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."
"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 2003, p. 16,2
aguernz 2 weeks ago
The question is, when does objective (not legal) personhood begin and why? Is it at birth? What does birth really do to the fetus? A newborn is dependent on its mother too. How about viability? Well our technology improves with time to allow for more premature birth. How about pain sensation? A fetus feels pain by 20 weeks anyway, but if I kill a man after sedating him, it would still be wrong, no? The answer is CONCEPTION! Scientifically, this is when a unique organism with its own DNA begins.
aguernz 3 weeks ago
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@aguernz says: What does birth really do to the fetus?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It conceptualizes aspects FUNDEMENTAL to the self. It refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character. There can be no meaning or "personhood" for someone cocooned inside another's body.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@aguernz ssya: A fetus feels pain by 20 weeks anyway, but if I kill a man after sedating him, it would still be wrong, no?
~~~~~~~~~~~ NO...Stop confusing sciencentific law with legal law. This is all about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 YES Roe v. Wade made abortion legal, but the ruling was against human rights.How is it health care for a mother to kill her child? The fetus is not "part of the woman's body." The fetus has different DNA, and by certain stages it can move, beat its heart, feel pain and suck its thumb and exhibit brain activity. The "right to privacy" fails to recognize that the fetus is not part of the mother, but a human being with a natural right to life, which the law ought to recognize.
aguernz 2 weeks ago
Why can't you understand that laws are just only insofar as they derived from the way things are? Science is one thing that tells us about the way things are. A fetus is a person because it meets the scientific criteria for a human person, just as you do (ie. uniqueness, no additional dna, growth, development). Laws or court rulings like Roe. v. Wade, which contradict the fact that an unborn child has natural rights, are unjust and should be revoked. How is this confusing anything???
aguernz 2 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 Look up on google images pictures of unborn babies, and then look up a couple of pictures of abortion, and then reply to this comment. If you have not looked at what abortion is, or what an unborn baby is, how can we even have this discussion about whether abortion is immoral or violates the human rights of the unborn baby. Answer this question: WHAT DOES BIRTH REALLY CHANGE ABOUT THE FETUS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY LAWS WHICH ALLOW THE UNBORN BABY TO BE "LEGALLY" SLAUGHTERED?
aguernz 2 weeks ago
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@aguernz says: it's the fact that a human person who has a right to life is killed
~~~~~~~~~~~~ its not a person or a human being...its of the human species, thats all ...and that means NOTHING in the realm of legal abortion.
Sueezee1 3 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being. You are speaking nonsense. Define a human being! Being human or being a person cannot depend on what laws the state puts in place. It is human persons who create the state and give it authority to begin with.
laguernsey 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Why do probirthers always need prochoicers to teach them? I should get paid for this! Lets look at the LEGAL def of a human being. By the way, did you know you need a legal dictionary for legal terms?? Black's Law Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
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@laguernsey says: Being human or being a person cannot depend on what laws the state puts in place.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you frickin serious???? Thats like saying the act of murder isnt necessarily a crime just because the law says it is. How old are you?
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says: t is human persons who create the state and give it authority to begin with.
~~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT?? What in the hell does THAT mean??? That because our lawmakers are human persons that they cant make laws??? Geeeeez, lets this keep this on an intellectual level, or why even bother! Explain your comment
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
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@Sueezee1 You insult the dignity of every human being by suggesting that their right to life come from the state! Read the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;"
aguernz 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~ Why are you in here debating, yet you dont know that? A human BEING, in the law, and thats ALL we go by, acts in the forms determined by the whole preceding development of history. The forms of human activity are objectively embodied in all material culture, in the implements of labour, in language, concepts, in systems of social norms. Thats NOT an embryo
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says:How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Slaves were of the human species but they did not get the title "human being" until they got rights. A fetus dosent get the title until birth when it gets its rights. Why cant you grasp this simple concept?
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you know, in the law, its perfectly legal to kill humans...IF you can figure out a way to kill a species, but its illegal to kill human beings, people with the right not to be killed? Are you getting it, or do you not want to? Knowledge is power you know.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@laguernsey says: How is it possible to be a member of the human species and not be a human being.
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A "human being" is recognized by law as such, NOT BECAUSE HE IS HUMAN,, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The human being is the legal subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attributes.
Sueezee1 2 weeks ago
@Sueezee1 If a human being is only a human being because the law ascribes this right to him, this begs the question of whether and why the state should call anyone a human being. Should the state treat apes as human beings, no because they are apes. How about dogs, no they are dogs. What about fetuses? well, fetuses are humans at an early stage of development, like teenagers are humans at middle stages of development. Your claims that human beings are merely legal subjects is absurd.
aguernz 2 weeks ago
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@aguernz says: If a human being is only a human being because the law ascribes this right to him, this begs the question of whether and why the state should call anyone a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ That would also go for the term "murder". Should the state call an illegal killing murder????? you argument demonstrates a profound lack of reasoning and sophistication
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Your claims that human beings are merely legal subjects is absurd.
~~~~~~~~ Dont you uneducated idiots know that this IS ABOUT THE LAW???? Thats ALL!!! Your childish idea that it SHOULDN'T be, is nothing but a lack of rational thinking & knowledge . Its like saying an appendectomy shouldnt be about science/medicine because YOU dont like it. Stay uneducated, prochoice thanks you for that!
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 Who cares about what the law is now? Thanks to democracy, we can change laws in America. The laws we make as an American people to outlaw injustices like abortion ought to reflect human rights and the common good. If you can't understand this instead of calling me stupid, just read the Declaration of Independence and our Founding Fathers and see how they viewed the law as subordinate to human rights which come from the CREATOR and are inalienable.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Thanks to democracy, we can change laws in America.
~~~~~~~~~~ You let me know when that happens, then we will talk, my lovely!! LOLOL
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 A 2011 june gallup poll finds 48% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" and 46% "pro-choice", and a majority of Americans think abortion should be legal only in a few circumstances. People are becoming educated as to what an unborn child truly is and looks like. Why is it that planned parenthood doesn't want women to see their ultrasounds? The abortion industry isn't even interested in helping women make good or informed choices they want, they just want money from abortions!
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Should the state treat apes as human beings, no because they are apes.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Tell me how in the hell THAT nonsense is relevant here? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response.
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 My reason is because an unborn baby is treated as an animal or property (remember slavery) with no right to life when in fact it is scientifically a human being with a right to life given to it BY ITS CREATOR and therefore the STATE ought to legally recognize all human life from fertilization as legal persons. It's so simple and it's in the declaration of independence: that all men are endowed by their creator with rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Your claims that human beings are merely legal subjects is absurd.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Show me in the law where I am wrong. Surely, you can back up YOUR ideas as I did, right? (smile)
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 Human beings exist whether or not government and laws exists. Look up human being in the dictionary and you get more than a legal definition which changes with time and place. Before Roe v. Wade, unborn babies were understood to be legal persons. Doctors were told they had two patients during a prenancy. You seem to be missing the point that the laws we make partake of the nature of law only so far as they are derived from the law of nature, ex. that humans have human rights
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Human beings exist whether or not government and laws exists
~~~~~~~~~~ Damn, thats one reason abortion is legal, because a fatus isnt a human being. Heres one for you.... you can make abortion illegal TODAY...take that intelligent info to the Supreme Court and it will end forever. You will be the hero of the idiots. Ok, what are you waiting on sweetie? Eagerly awaiting your response that WONT come..hahahahah. Ilove dumb people
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 You are WRONG. Every science textbook in print today says that human life and development begin at fertilization. Look it up! A fetus has its own complete DNA and chromosomes, which have predetermined the child's sex,eye color, intelligence, etc The only difference between you as a fetus and you today is TIME and NUTRITION. Look up a picture of abortion and tell me its not killing a human! Stop blindly believing what a couple of unelected judges in the 1970's decided for everyone else.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: You are WRONG.
~~~~~~~ Sure I am...thats why MY ideas on legal abortion mesh with the laws that make it LEGAL. Whats you excuse if YOURE the "right" one? By the way, why arnt you on your way to the Supreme Court to make known your "right" information that will make aboriton illegal? Dont bother me anymore with your pipe dreams. Im right, youre wrong, i won, you lost. End of story.
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 LEGAL does not mean MORALLY CORRECT. Slavery was LEGAL, but it was IMMORAL. Time will tell when Roe. v. Wade is challenged in the Supreme Court again. Just for the record, 4 supreme court justices agree with my position. So I guess I'm not so crazy. Missisippi almost passed the personhood amendment to define legal personhood at fertilization. It's only a matter of time before the new prolife majority in America passes laws which bring abortion back before the supreme court.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Look up a picture of abortion and tell me its not killing a human!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahaha, SOooooooo defining a human is done by a photograph??? LOLOL, God, I love dumb people, especially probirthers. It makes me realize we have NOTHING to worry about.
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 You're right, let's not define human beings by organisms that are in the process of human development. Let's make arbitrary distinctions based on age, birth, intelligence, skin color, religion, etc. Come on! Why is a newborn a legal person after a trip down the birth canal, but the mother's private property 10 seconds before? The private property argument was also used by Southerners to keep slavery legal, but it was eventually overturned via the natural rights argument.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Every science textbook
~~~~~~~~~~ IRRELEVANT....Biology/ Science has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade .lolol
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 You said: "a fetus isnt a human being." I proved you wrong because it is a scientific fact. Now, if biology and science have nothing to do with what a human being is, how do I know that you're a human being?---Because you have human dna, a human body, and are in the process of human aging and development. Fetuses always develop into human beings. Never into zebras or horses or giraffes. Why is this so difficult for you to understand without mocking me or dodging the facts?
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: Before Roe v. Wade, unborn babies were understood to be legal persons.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahaha, you idiot, The Constitution was written in 1787, and the term human being as held the same legal defintion since then..meaning NOT an individual w/ rights. Stay stupid darling, we're all loving this!!
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 Firstly, the 1787 constitution does not define human being; they figure we'd be smart enough to figure it out. Secondly, the 14th amendment protects the rights of persons. Thirdly, when the constitution was written, they didn't have modern science to tell them that human life begins at fertilization. They had no ultrasounds or knowledge of sperm or egg cells until much later. If they had the info we have today, our founders would surely NOT exclude protecting fetal human beings.
aguernz 1 week ago
@aguernz says: ex. that humans have human rights
~~~~~~~~~~~ Go baby...take it to the limit...the supreme court ..i wish I could be there to see you laughed out of the place...hahahahahah
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 Justice Harry Blackmun stated in Roe v Wade that “The judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to... resolve the difficult question of when life begins... since those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine... are unable to arrive at any consensus." However, this statement is simply untrue. FACT: "Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization." (The Biology of Prenatal Development, National Geographic, 2006).
aguernz 1 week ago
@Sueezee1 human being n.
a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child
aguernz 2 weeks ago
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Sueezee1 1 week ago
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@aguernz human being n.a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child
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You dumbass people!!! Human being is a LEGAL term in this context. Look it up in a frickin LEGAL dictionary and you get: Black's Law Dictionary defines person AND human being as an entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals" !!! Does the "stupid" never end with you guys??
Sueezee1 1 week ago
What it often comes down to is the definition of what a human is, and that generally comes from what doctors have determined based on stage of development. The subject of "when the baby can feel pain" is the main issue.
Here is what I think. We may NEVER be able to define when a baby starts to "feel", or "think", but as a Christian, I believe human life is sacred no matter what point of development it has reached. I don't care when the baby starts to feel, think, or anything else. Its a baby.
jbcolson1027 2 weeks ago
And I don't care what the law "DETERMINES" about what the definition of a human is?
Its sad that we have to discuss whether or not its okay to kill a baby because of our mistakes. Our society has become one that puts more thought into hauling the injured away, rather than putting up the fence to begin with.
jbcolson1027 2 weeks ago
@IrishEddieOHara says: It is MURDER
~~~~~~~~~ That will only be true if you say it 3 times while clicking your heels together. lololo
Sueezee1 8 months ago
Ed Harris is fine!!
Sueezee1 9 months ago
I want to get pregnant just so i can abort the child and leave the fetus on the doorstep of a Christian. Or perhaps, a church.
Mrsilenciobackgammon 9 months ago
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@Mrsilenciobackgammon says: I want to get pregnant just so i can abort the child and leave the fetus on the doorstep of a Christian.
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hahahahah!! Good one
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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@Hexl702 If you dont own your own body, you own very little else--- To me this statement applies to the conceived person in the womb. The conceived person owns his/her body.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
gonna kills us some babies!
imyoursuperior2 10 months ago
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@DCNY31279
Lila Rose :::HEEEhhahahahoooeee ::Snort!:: She gets more overblown and over-rmelodramatic by the minute.
Racists, sex traffickers -- Next she's gonna pose as a undercover satantic human sacrificer looking for fetuses -- It'll go over big with the prolickers!
She doesnt have the "guts" to go after the REAL people getting abortions -- America's mothers, sisters, daughters, lovers and good friends.
Hexl702 11 months ago
@Hexl702 No. It's because she has revealed the truth and people are now thinking. It appears to me that you have run out of intelligent things to say, which is why somebody spammed you. This argument is done.
DCNY31279 11 months ago 2
@DCNY31279 ""'run out of intelligent things to say"""
Abortion is legal, Hexl doesnt need to do anymore than sit back and relax. YOU dorks are the ones who
have to fight, to take rights away from women. So far, ya'll suck at at.
Hexl702 11 months ago
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@Hexl702 Not only that they are,but that abortionists themselves are responsible for such crimes. The Report, addressed to the governor, California legislature and attorney general, came out in July and went to every major newspaper in California, as well as to legislators on committees reviewing related bills.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@DCNY31279 says" This argument is done.
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I understand... You have to be pretty smart to win a debate with Hexl.
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 says=" you have to be pretty smart to win a debate with Hexl"
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Thanks sue.
For just admitting that every pro-lifer that has debated Hexl is pretty smart.
Because they have all made the dip shit who refers to themself in a third person Hexl look like the fool he is!
LOL
BTW- Don't get pissed sue.You will never lose your title as you-tubes "biggest fool "to anyone.
And while abortion is legal now.
IT WON'T BE FOR MUCH LONGER !
ekajeht 11 months ago 2
@ekajeht """"Abortion is legal now IT WONT BE FOR MUCH LONGER!""
Why, ya'll got some failed tactics we havent seen yet? What's your majik solution THIS TIME?
An even better question is -- why didnt you think of this before? It took 50 million abortions before
you finally get fed up? I'd say you took abortion pretty well.
Hexl702 11 months ago
@Hexl702 Abortion Clinic workers.DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN LEGAL JEOPARDY - REPORT SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE,AN UNDERAGE GIRL WHO EVIDENCES SEXUAL ACTIVITY MANDATES A REPORT.IF YOU WORK AT A CLINIC THAT IS BREAKING THE LAW,CALL 1-940-380-8800
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@ekajeht says: For just admitting that every pro-lifer that has debated Hexl is pretty smart.
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Are you telling me you were smart enough to change abortion laws, and make Hex look dumber than you? Oh, ya, NONE of you 'smart" people can do that. Long live Hexl's brain!
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 says="Are you telling me that you were smart enough to change abortion laws?"
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LOL
How lame!
As if you or the other idiot hexl ever had anything to do with legalizing abortion in the first place.
Abortion laws ARE being changed little by little, and when we get rid of the anti-Americans in the senate and the oval office then things will REALLY start to change.
Tell your looney daughter she only has two more years to murder any more of her kids.
ekajeht 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 Why would a Jewish holocaust survivor stand on the side lines of a gas chamber, cheering on the German's about to turn the gas on their fellow Jews?
Why would a freed slave stand in the cotton field & cheer on the master who is beating one of the defenseless slaves literally to death?
Why would an abortion holocaust survivor stand in the lime light supporting,defending,condoning & even cheering the abortionist on when he is about to kill a member of the human race??
angelshoulders 10 months ago
Failure to report your suspicions that a minor may be sexually active can result in charges being brought against you.In addition,you could be held liable for civil damages should the victim of this abuse or a parent of the victim file a lawsuit that involves your failure to comply with mandatory reporting laws.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@angelshoulders
If thats what the law states, Hexl is all for it. Great advice youre giving PP there, LOL!
Ha- all this stuff about "a lawsuit being filed"" These cases kinda fall apart when it depends on the testimony of a girl. Most girls dont wanna get their older boyfriends in trouble and refuse to testify.
Hexl702 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 In a summary of pro-abortion violence in the U.S.,the report lists a total of 2,297 incidents of pro-abortion violence & illegal activities.The report then goes on to list crimes committed by abortionists in California by city,citing the original sources of information. The source for much of the information came from the MEDICAL BOARD of California, which is responsible for licensing & bringing disciplinary action against state physicians.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
Furthermore,you could also be named in lawsuits filed by any subsequent victim of statutory rape or other abuse,if it turns out that the perpetrator of this abuse escaped detection by law enforcement at an earlier date because of a case that you failed to report.
Income Tax Evasion! Because abortionclinics primarily operate on a cash basis,they create an environment in which it is very easy to avoid paying taxes owed to the I.R.S. This is an extremely serious issue.CALL 1-940-380-8800
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@angelshoulders ""'illegal activities..crimes by abortionists in Calif"""
If those acts are against the law, prosecute em! Hexl is for obeying the laws and if you dont like the laws, change em.
We've decided abortion itself is NOT a crime however, and the woman is within her rights to get one.
Hexl702 9 months ago
@Hexl702 That will change as young ppl are not so easily brain washed. They know the truth about abortion, they know that abortion takes the life of their own flesh & blood baby, that abortion is bad for women & our society as a whole. These mother's regret their decision's for the rest of their lives, they have Post Abortion Syndrome. These brave mother's of aborted babies are speaking up! They are helping other women not go through what they went through. They are saving mother's & babies!!
angelshoulders 9 months ago
@angelshoulders says: These mother's regret their decision's for the rest of their lives,
~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 Can you come up with your own logic or are you just going sit there and antagonize everyone just to prove to everyone that you can be a bitch?
mjt19741 9 months ago
@mjt19741 says: you just going sit there and antagonize everyone
~~~~~~~~ NOt everyone.. just the ignorant ones.. (smile). Whats the matter> Dont like it?? LOLOL
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 -_-
Very intelligent of you.
mjt19741 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 If you are an employee of an abortion clinic and you conceal knowledge of a crime, you could be exposing yourself to arrest and prosecution. You may not think this applies to you. However, if this illegal activity is ever discovered, the decision about your level of involvement will not be made by you, but by a law enforcement agency or perhaps even a federal prosecutor.CALL 1-940-380-8800
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 ""you have to be pretty smart to win a debate with Hexl""
Thanks for the compliment, youre one kick-ass prochoicer too! Hexl learned from all of you!
LOL these dumb clucks don't realize, every time they denigrate our intelligence, thats actually an admission of failure! Losing to your 'inferiors" - is there any other standard of utter defeat? The poor dears,
I almost pity them! That would suck.
Hexl702 11 months ago 2
@Hexl702 says Thanks for compliment .. I almost pity them.
~~~~~~~~~~ You deserve it , and The defining word there is, "almost". (smile)
Sueezee1 11 months ago
@Sueezee1 Not only that they are,but that abortionists themselves are responsible for such crimes. The Report, addressed to the governor, California legislature and attorney general, came out in July and went to every major newspaper in California, as well as to legislators on committees reviewing related bills.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
If your clinic is involved in Medicaid fraud,your future is in jeopardy.The U.S. Dept. of Justice has made prosecuting this crime one of its top priorities.
Insurance Fraud Do not be deceived into thinking that insurance fraud is a minor issue.Not only does law enforcement pursue this crime vigorously,but every year the insurance industry spends millions of dollars to help authorities catch those involved in this crime.Make no mistake,ppl go to jail for insurance fraud.
CALL 1-940-380-8800
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 Murder,attempted murder,manslaughter,torture,kidnapping,rape,stalking,death threats,bomb threats (including false-threat reports from alleged pro-lifers),sex crimes, conspiracy,drug crimes,property crimes,medical crimes & fraud-related crimes--are these the FRUITS OF LEGAL ABORTION?The Abortion Crime Report.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
Thank God I did not vote for Obamanation. Figures the elite would fund a death machine that pours in billions like Planned Parenthood and other services like it. Pro-Choice is a lie. It is Pro-Death, Pro-Hate and anti-human.
I don't watch any Jack Black or Ed Harris' movies anymore because they make me sick of supporting such a view.
God help them and others like them.,
DCNY31279 11 months ago
@DCNY31279 """thank gawd I didnt vote for Obamanation""
LOL, other people are thanking gawd that he won and he's in office protecting women's rights. I guess
we know whose prayers gawd answered, eh?
Hexl702 11 months ago
@Hexl702 Yeah well guess what, Planned Parenthood is not getting the best press with the expose they are revealing. Lila Rose is exposing this predatory organization very well.
And yes, the universal health care issue is backfiring on Obama. We all know that government-controlled health care results in failure and that is what this administration is.
DCNY31279 11 months ago
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Hexl702 11 months ago
@diaz"""The conceived person owns his/her body"""
No it doesnt. It lives only to the extent a woman lives, breathes only to the
extent she breathes. If that isnt abject subjugation to another human
being, I dont know what it.
Hexl702 11 months ago
@dlaz0109 """where this right to abort comes from""
If you dont own your own body, you own very little else. I support choice on liberty grounds. I couldnt tell
you who was the first person who thunk it up out of their noodle. But they were really smart.
Hexl702 1 year ago
@dlaz0109 Yes, someone marked you as spam for some reason
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@johanntheperv I will post for dlaz0109 what was marked as spam! Firstly, it's fascist to deny ---- The point of the prostitution example is to make it clear that government can legislate what one can do with one's own body. It's just that in one case it allows an act (abortion) in another case it denies an act (prostitution) I was trying to get a sense of if you think it is wrong to legislate control of the body in any types of acts. Is that what you think? dlaz0109 15 hours ago
davidandAim 1 year ago
@dlaz0109 Firstly, it's fascist to deny reproductive rights and control to people
Secondly, you really care some horny guy paid a woman for sex?
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@johanntheperv Seems to me that the mother has already excerised her 'reproductive rights' when she agreed to do the EXACT THING THAT CAUSES CONCEPTION. She knew SEX ALWAYS=POSSIBILITY, & then she went right ahead to have sex & helped to create a new unique individual living human being.Once she has helped to create the new life,she should have no right to kill him/her! ProLifers are not telling a mother what she can't do w/her body,we are telling her what she shouldn't do to her baby's body.
angelshoulders 10 months ago
@dlaz0109 and if they voted against a woman's choice, her right to her body then that is fascism, trampling on the rights of others.
If you don't want an abortion, then don't have one, and if you're a guy then you don't have to worry about "killing babies"
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@dlaz0109 Your version of Democracy is just for people like you to shit on others (51% of the people denying the rights to the other 49%) you're an authoritarian masquerading a "democracy proponent" Legalised abortion is going to stay because it gives women the right to choose.
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@johanntheperv He dosn't sound as though he is shitting on others. However sounds like your side shits on everything that is opposite of good. If people cannot control their bodies and use protection then basically I would call that "shitting" on responsiblity ect. So abortion to you would be a form of birth control.
davidandAim 1 year ago
@davidandAim Opposing a woman right and control over her body is shitting on someone's rights
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@johanntheperv says="shitting on someones rights"
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Opposing my RIGHT to kill a evil monster that murders her child is shitting on my rights!
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht Killing a person = violation of rights so you are wrong
Terminating a pregnancy = reproductive rights
The right to terminate your own pregancy comes from reproductive rights over your own body
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@johanntheperv What if it is - MY - child the woman is carrying?
It isn't just her child.
She can get child support from me for the care of - MY - child!
So why can't - I - protect MY child from murder?
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht Carry it in your womb for 9 months then painfully shit i out of your mangina
johanntheperv 1 year ago
@ekajeht """what if it is MY child""
It's HER uterus. The day you can split the pregnancy 50/50 with her, is the day you get a say on that.
Hexl702 1 year ago
@Hexl702 says=" the day you can split the pregnancy 50/50 with her..."
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It is 50% of me that she is pregnant!
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht """It is 50% of me that she is 100 PERCENT pregnant with it"""
Fixed it. Tell us how you would exercise your "choice " to carry a fetus to term. Hexl is all ears!
I've never met a REAL mangina before, this is a rare honor!
Hexl702 1 year ago
@Hexl702 says="50% of me she is 100% pregnant with"
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50% FATHER+ 50% MOTHER = 100% BABY
Not that hard to understand is it?
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht ""50% father""""
You said that already. You STILL havent said how you would carry a fetus to term. So far a ZERO PERCENT
answer!
Hexl702 1 year ago
@Hexl702 says="you still havn't said how you would carry the fetus to term"
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I don't have to carry it.
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht """I dont have to carry it'"
Neither does the woman. We've decided, she has the right not to. If you think she oughta be FORCED to,
tell us what your law would look like, and pass it
on to the other prolickers, because theyve been stumped for 38 years.
Hexl702 11 months ago
@ekajeht """i dont have to carry it """
LOL, more like " I couldnt carry it in a jillion years even if I wanted to! ""
Hexl702 11 months ago
@Hexl702 says=" more like I couldn't carry it ... if I wanted to."
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LOL
I'm not a bitch so I don't have the mother instincts that women do!
You know what I'm talking about don't you?
No natural female instincts in you either , right.
ekajeht 11 months ago
@ekajeht
LOL you dumb cluck it went right over your head. Hexl was quoting in your voice, as in
Ekajeht, "I couldnt carry a fetus in a million years no matter how much I wanted to!" That's Da Troof!
I was speaking FOR you, like a ventriloquist does with a dummy!
Hexl702 11 months ago