Secondly, why all the hating? Why not just enjoy the video. Whatever people consider this, it's art. Martial art or otherwise...just appreciate it. If not, crawl six feet under.
I've noticed a lot of people arguing about "roots" of certain martial art styles. If you did extensive research you can draw the roots of many martial art styles, some of the Chinese and Okinawan (I think Okinawan as well) back to India. It may not have been called or necessarily looked like what it looks like now, but you'd be surprised where the lineage of certain styles runs back to.
@korosiya8 you have nothing to prove that wrong. there's evidence from 2000 years ago that this is real. I'm not just saying that its written that it's real, it's drawn in pictures and is exactly the same as this. don't say its a gay dance, because the chinese often described the koreans as tall, strong, brave men who were good at martial arts. and look, we still are
wow so much bickering. so what if taekkyun has its roots in chinese martial arts? korea spent centuries vying for freedom from Han oppression and successfully established the Goguryeo kingdom. the korean culture is korean. your not gonna argue that the japanese language isnt japanese because it's thought to have Altaic roots are you? be proud of your own culture. but keep your hands out of other people's cookie jars. sheesh.
taekyun is a most facinatiing art, i doubt il ever find a true master of this art being in the uk but i believe any martial artist could learn much from this art
lol hsing-I doesnt use circliar movements........its a internal linear style look it up. martial arts modern or not did not all come from shaolin, its a known fact that many styles "associated" with shaolin based on its "prestige" and symbol of rebellion during ching times, n most styles history are nortorious for frabriating there history. Actually historians non martial artist who are unbias n actual "documents" point to shaolin aborbin styles rather then "creatin them" =]
Isent Shaolin alot younger then most martial arts... I thought that Shaolin was made by a bunch of martial artists going to a single temple and teaching eachother what they knew in their own styles, the mix of all thoughs styles was known as Shaolin because thats the temple they were at... Theres WAY older styles then Shaolin, like Shuai Jiao.
hello. i would like to say that the politeness of the conversation i've read here has made me happy, too many argue over insignificant details. i practise Won Hwa Do which is a relatively new martial art, about 40 years old, but is based upon universal principles such as circular and spherical motion, this is a common principle in many martial arts because it is natural for the human body and mind to move in a circular, eliptical or spherical path. anyway, thanks for the conversation (",)
Tangsoodo, Hapkido, maybe. but Taekkyun, i don't think so. Taekkyun is in a different category than those "modern" Korean martial arts. there is a mural found dated hundreds years before Shaolin that depicts practice of Taekkyun. so, one should say that Shaolin was influenced by Taekkyun, not the other way around.
shaolin is dated to around 500ad. earlious korean sources to soo bak and taekkyon are on murals and poems even on some court documents to only 900ad 400 something years later then shaolin. its not OLDER then shaolin but certainly not related,its an original style taekkyon that is. While Soo bak is actualy a chinese style, its even written so in the muyedobotonji as a chinese style practised by the military called ShouBo(strikin Hand) =] ShouBo is mention in chinese sources since tang dynasty.
first off, Goguryeo didn't exist at 900 AD, so i don't know why you say those Goguryeo murals (357 AD, etc) are not older than Shaolin (520 AD).
second, you say "ShouBo is mention in chinese sources since tang dynasty"? well, you should know then that Tang dynasty was formed at 618 AD. and the murals are way older than that.
you're trying to prove a chicken came before an egg.
I never said Goguryeo existed in 900ad learn how to read. I said 37 BC. And 900ad is the earlious written sources. The murals in korean tombs dont state a name and its ambiguous, could be wreslting or dancing. The chinese have written and even korean sources to back it up. Kind of hard to beleive you when the korean documents claim chinese sources using a chinese name of an actual system.
let me refresh your memory by quoting your own comment:
you stated, "shaolin is dated to around 500ad. earlious korean sources to soo bak and taekkyon are on murals and poems even on some court documents to only 900ad 400 something years later then shaolin."
the murals you refer to are Goguryeo murals. and i say again, the murals are not from 900AD.
Sculptures and pictures of the Koguryo dynasty (109BC-668AD) show postures that could represent early kinds of empty hand fighting. However, as this evidence is equally compelling as proof for Chinese origins (9) , it is more likely that the ancient postures are of Chinese origins as similar postures are recorded in an earlier time period in China under the name Shou Bo.
no offense, but you sound like there was no martial art in China, Korea, and Japan prior to 520AD Shaolin. man, that means that the wars fought prior to 520AD must not had any martial arts, right? i hope you see flaw in your statement. Shaolin probably influenced many, but Shaolin didn't invent martial arts. oh, one thing you should know... China is notorious with their propaganda; it's deep deep in their culture, going back thousands years. don't believe everything you read.
Whats the difference between Taekkyun and Shaolin Wushu ? I've noticed that their holds and hand techniques are different , but then in Shaolin Wushu we are more straight forward with total use of the body . So what makes them different , please ?
I play both, for me Taekyyon is closer to the Chinese "internal" martial arts or the older more traditional Shao-lin. Other than some of the movements and methods for training, I find it to be very similar. Taekyyon puts more focus on flow and I like to use it especially as a warm up and for shadow boxing.
I do not see where I mentioned which art is older. Since you seem to think you know this answer, could you show us all the dates of creation for each art? I just mentioned similarities; it seems nearly to locate any sure evidence of ages. Thanx.
huh?? umm pretty sure kungfu is around 1000 -1500 year old . and the travel monks were the one help spreed kungfu all over the place , and like japan or korean, pp adapt it and change it to their own style . same thing happen in Vietnam, our own style was develop around 500 yrs also
Takkyon is not older then chinese martial arts, On the korea taekkyon association and documents from the oldest korea books dates it back only to the chosun dynasy and thats in 1300 800yrs after shaolin, and chinese martial arts existed well before shaolin arts. In koruguyo dynasty 37 BC they practised SooBak which is 100% proven by korean documents n the MANMUHO that it saids its a chinese style assuming the soobak from koguryo and chosun dynasy is the same art.
Due to Goguryeo being in constant conflict with China, the military of Goguryeo developed a martial art called soobak that was a mix of Chinese martial arts adapted for their own purposes. It was a style heavy in the use of kicking as opposed to punching, and relied more on upright fighting styles as opposed to grappling and wrestling. During silla dynasty Soobak slit into a kicking style taekkyon and one grappling yusul.
simple shaolin wushu isnt ment for combat and that taekkyun is and that taekkyun just like karate comes from cong fu plus the foot work in taekkyun is different
They're totally different in almost every way possible. Basic stances, the basis of kicks and punches, everything is different. They're not even remotely related.
There is nothing really similar as much as I can understand. I'm not experienced w/ shaolin or taekkyun. i've been trying several kicks of taekkyun lately and watched as much shaolin techs and my conclusion is that shaolin wushu is very systematic and much linear. taekkyun seems like a dance which requires flow. i could only manage to do taekkyun kicks w/ dancing like flows. combos r almost impossible w/o the flow n it is very interesting, i can't get enough force for some kicks w/o it.
Si entendieras al narrador del documental te enterarías que el Taekkyun no es una combinación de TKD y danza... Es el arte marcial de Korea por excelencia, de el deriva el TKD.
This martial art is the roots of Tae Kwon Do, its age is unknown, its roots are in Subak, the ancient three kingdom period martial arts. So Taekkyun is about 3000 years old, maybe more maybe less.
you koreans are delusional......heres what it says in the encylopdia and derived from the earlious sources about soobak-
Due to Goguryeo being in constant conflict with China, the military of Goguryeo developed a martial art that was a mix of Chinese martial arts adapted for their own purposes. It was a style heavy in the use of kicking as opposed to punching, and relied more on upright fighting styles as opposed to grappling and wrestling.
also TKD is a modern style 50 years old based on karate
We all live in the same area and have all fought eachother (Japan, Korea, and China) We all share VERY similar cultures and combat techniques for a reason, we all tought eachother. It's no coencedence that Karate, Kung fu, and Taekkyun all look WAY more like eachother then Greek Wresling and boxing...
I dont use wiki, everyone and there children can make an account and change data. What you see on wiki that isnt messed with would be the same as on any reliable source which from which they copy directly on to it. =P
1. You say soobahk is not what I think it is? LOL
So your saying the muyisinbo and muyedobotongji both korean military text books are not factual?
It says it a Chinese system, which was called Shou Bo. Korean pronounced it Soo Bahk. LOL unless the koreans lie in there own books
yes, SooBahk is not what you think it is. if you study the etymology of the word SooBahk, you will find that it is a generic term used for any empty-hand fighting. it is not a style like TKD or Karate, etc.
no offense, you keep making wrong conclusions because you don't fully understand the text you read and/or the background of it.
and about muyisinbo and muyedobotongji... they are manuals (one is a revised version of the other) that were written thousands year later (1750AD+) improving upon the Chinese manual. so, of course they are going to say some are influenced by Chinese system.
but, as i stated earlier, SooBahk (ShouBo) are generic terms used for empty-hand fighting.
just because those manuals used the word, SooBahk doesn't mean the entire Korean martial arts are influenced by Chinese martial arts.
Secondly, why all the hating? Why not just enjoy the video. Whatever people consider this, it's art. Martial art or otherwise...just appreciate it. If not, crawl six feet under.
Sevv9220 4 months ago
I've noticed a lot of people arguing about "roots" of certain martial art styles. If you did extensive research you can draw the roots of many martial art styles, some of the Chinese and Okinawan (I think Okinawan as well) back to India. It may not have been called or necessarily looked like what it looks like now, but you'd be surprised where the lineage of certain styles runs back to.
Sevv9220 4 months ago
The tree in the begining is sweet xD
djrapinitup 6 months ago
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Taekkyun?
AHAHAHAHAAH this is fake
korean is fake only country
korosiya8 1 year ago
@korosiya8 you have nothing to prove that wrong. there's evidence from 2000 years ago that this is real. I'm not just saying that its written that it's real, it's drawn in pictures and is exactly the same as this. don't say its a gay dance, because the chinese often described the koreans as tall, strong, brave men who were good at martial arts. and look, we still are
kero7642 1 year ago
@kero7642 It does have it's roots in traditional dance :)
FOBse7en 10 months ago
@korosiya8 And where would you be from?
FOBse7en 10 months ago
@korosiya8 Shut up fukin Japs.
Fukin Japanese always leaves bullshit comments everyday on every Korean concerned videos.
sollongos 8 months ago 6
wow so much bickering. so what if taekkyun has its roots in chinese martial arts? korea spent centuries vying for freedom from Han oppression and successfully established the Goguryeo kingdom. the korean culture is korean. your not gonna argue that the japanese language isnt japanese because it's thought to have Altaic roots are you? be proud of your own culture. but keep your hands out of other people's cookie jars. sheesh.
earthgauge 1 year ago
taekyun is a most facinatiing art, i doubt il ever find a true master of this art being in the uk but i believe any martial artist could learn much from this art
juzblazejr 1 year ago
I can't understand Korean. But I think this video is trying to show how taekkyeon developed from influences of wrestling and dancing, no?
gungnir2357 1 year ago
lol hsing-I doesnt use circliar movements........its a internal linear style look it up. martial arts modern or not did not all come from shaolin, its a known fact that many styles "associated" with shaolin based on its "prestige" and symbol of rebellion during ching times, n most styles history are nortorious for frabriating there history. Actually historians non martial artist who are unbias n actual "documents" point to shaolin aborbin styles rather then "creatin them" =]
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Isent Shaolin alot younger then most martial arts... I thought that Shaolin was made by a bunch of martial artists going to a single temple and teaching eachother what they knew in their own styles, the mix of all thoughs styles was known as Shaolin because thats the temple they were at... Theres WAY older styles then Shaolin, like Shuai Jiao.
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
Watching the steps and Taekkyon kicking was like watching our class free fight back in the day. Now I see where our technique came from.
TraditionalTKD 2 years ago
great video!! after all !!
yo poleo con la gente mala!!
gallito1010 2 years ago
i practice juan shon yoi tu !! wich is part of mitsubishi toshiba yacamotttoo!!
gallito1010 2 years ago
@gallito1010 LOL
kero7642 1 year ago
hello. i would like to say that the politeness of the conversation i've read here has made me happy, too many argue over insignificant details. i practise Won Hwa Do which is a relatively new martial art, about 40 years old, but is based upon universal principles such as circular and spherical motion, this is a common principle in many martial arts because it is natural for the human body and mind to move in a circular, eliptical or spherical path. anyway, thanks for the conversation (",)
JaymieWaymie 2 years ago
Tangsoodo, Hapkido, maybe. but Taekkyun, i don't think so. Taekkyun is in a different category than those "modern" Korean martial arts. there is a mural found dated hundreds years before Shaolin that depicts practice of Taekkyun. so, one should say that Shaolin was influenced by Taekkyun, not the other way around.
shadow01f 2 years ago
shaolin is dated to around 500ad. earlious korean sources to soo bak and taekkyon are on murals and poems even on some court documents to only 900ad 400 something years later then shaolin. its not OLDER then shaolin but certainly not related,its an original style taekkyon that is. While Soo bak is actualy a chinese style, its even written so in the muyedobotonji as a chinese style practised by the military called ShouBo(strikin Hand) =] ShouBo is mention in chinese sources since tang dynasty.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
first off, Goguryeo didn't exist at 900 AD, so i don't know why you say those Goguryeo murals (357 AD, etc) are not older than Shaolin (520 AD).
second, you say "ShouBo is mention in chinese sources since tang dynasty"? well, you should know then that Tang dynasty was formed at 618 AD. and the murals are way older than that.
you're trying to prove a chicken came before an egg.
shadow01f 2 years ago
@shadow01f
I never said Goguryeo existed in 900ad learn how to read. I said 37 BC. And 900ad is the earlious written sources. The murals in korean tombs dont state a name and its ambiguous, could be wreslting or dancing. The chinese have written and even korean sources to back it up. Kind of hard to beleive you when the korean documents claim chinese sources using a chinese name of an actual system.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
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@anhkhoinguyen
let me refresh your memory by quoting your own comment:
you stated, "shaolin is dated to around 500ad. earlious korean sources to soo bak and taekkyon are on murals and poems even on some court documents to only 900ad 400 something years later then shaolin."
the murals you refer to are Goguryeo murals. and i say again, the murals are not from 900AD.
please get your facts straight.
shadow01f 2 years ago
Sculptures and pictures of the Koguryo dynasty (109BC-668AD) show postures that could represent early kinds of empty hand fighting. However, as this evidence is equally compelling as proof for Chinese origins (9) , it is more likely that the ancient postures are of Chinese origins as similar postures are recorded in an earlier time period in China under the name Shou Bo.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
no offense, but you sound like there was no martial art in China, Korea, and Japan prior to 520AD Shaolin. man, that means that the wars fought prior to 520AD must not had any martial arts, right? i hope you see flaw in your statement. Shaolin probably influenced many, but Shaolin didn't invent martial arts. oh, one thing you should know... China is notorious with their propaganda; it's deep deep in their culture, going back thousands years. don't believe everything you read.
shadow01f 2 years ago 12
@shadow01f shaolin isn´t the beginin of martial arts in china
Intilo 6 months ago
Whats the difference between Taekkyun and Shaolin Wushu ? I've noticed that their holds and hand techniques are different , but then in Shaolin Wushu we are more straight forward with total use of the body . So what makes them different , please ?
XiaoLinLong 3 years ago
I play both, for me Taekyyon is closer to the Chinese "internal" martial arts or the older more traditional Shao-lin. Other than some of the movements and methods for training, I find it to be very similar. Taekyyon puts more focus on flow and I like to use it especially as a warm up and for shadow boxing.
UFMD1 3 years ago
no u are wrong taekkyun did not come from china at all. not even a little and taekkyun is older than chinas martial arts.
killJOY611 3 years ago
I do not see where I mentioned which art is older. Since you seem to think you know this answer, could you show us all the dates of creation for each art? I just mentioned similarities; it seems nearly to locate any sure evidence of ages. Thanx.
UFMD1 3 years ago
huh?? umm pretty sure kungfu is around 1000 -1500 year old . and the travel monks were the one help spreed kungfu all over the place , and like japan or korean, pp adapt it and change it to their own style . same thing happen in Vietnam, our own style was develop around 500 yrs also
HXL056100 2 years ago
Takkyon is not older then chinese martial arts, On the korea taekkyon association and documents from the oldest korea books dates it back only to the chosun dynasy and thats in 1300 800yrs after shaolin, and chinese martial arts existed well before shaolin arts. In koruguyo dynasty 37 BC they practised SooBak which is 100% proven by korean documents n the MANMUHO that it saids its a chinese style assuming the soobak from koguryo and chosun dynasy is the same art.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Heres a passage from the encylopdia-
Due to Goguryeo being in constant conflict with China, the military of Goguryeo developed a martial art called soobak that was a mix of Chinese martial arts adapted for their own purposes. It was a style heavy in the use of kicking as opposed to punching, and relied more on upright fighting styles as opposed to grappling and wrestling. During silla dynasty Soobak slit into a kicking style taekkyon and one grappling yusul.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
simple shaolin wushu isnt ment for combat and that taekkyun is and that taekkyun just like karate comes from cong fu plus the foot work in taekkyun is different
kraziehispanic211 3 years ago
They're totally different in almost every way possible. Basic stances, the basis of kicks and punches, everything is different. They're not even remotely related.
melonbarmonster 2 years ago
There is nothing really similar as much as I can understand. I'm not experienced w/ shaolin or taekkyun. i've been trying several kicks of taekkyun lately and watched as much shaolin techs and my conclusion is that shaolin wushu is very systematic and much linear. taekkyun seems like a dance which requires flow. i could only manage to do taekkyun kicks w/ dancing like flows. combos r almost impossible w/o the flow n it is very interesting, i can't get enough force for some kicks w/o it.
edhwanrhee84 2 years ago
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bongalak 3 years ago 5
Get the dvd from turtle press, it's very good to learn the basics.
UFMD1 3 years ago
Wonderful. I have seen all the Taekkyon videos on yt. Too bad I am an inflexible fuck
cooks2006 3 years ago
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esta interesante esta combinacion de tkd con danza se ve muy bonita je je je.
StriderMx001 4 years ago
Si entendieras al narrador del documental te enterarías que el Taekkyun no es una combinación de TKD y danza... Es el arte marcial de Korea por excelencia, de el deriva el TKD.
kaloki 4 years ago
oye man sabras si en latinoamerica ( MEXICO de preferencia) enseñan en tekkyon.....
SHEWUSENG 4 years ago
Se que en el único lugar que hay un buen maestro es en San Pablo, Brasi. No he recibido noticias de que haya en otro lugar.
kaloki 4 years ago
los ví todos!!! xD
buen arte, como todas las demás ;)
novaera1 4 years ago 4
Sweet!!
HealthyMan2 4 years ago
Awesome! I love Martial Arts :)
Myderion 4 years ago
how ancient is this style, ive never heard of it in my studies in the arts
maakheru001 4 years ago
This martial art is the roots of Tae Kwon Do, its age is unknown, its roots are in Subak, the ancient three kingdom period martial arts. So Taekkyun is about 3000 years old, maybe more maybe less.
hojoondlee 4 years ago
you koreans are delusional......heres what it says in the encylopdia and derived from the earlious sources about soobak-
Due to Goguryeo being in constant conflict with China, the military of Goguryeo developed a martial art that was a mix of Chinese martial arts adapted for their own purposes. It was a style heavy in the use of kicking as opposed to punching, and relied more on upright fighting styles as opposed to grappling and wrestling.
also TKD is a modern style 50 years old based on karate
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
your so-called encyclopia is an English version of Wikipedia. you copied word for word from it.
why don't you base your research on more credible sources?
if you do more research, you will find out that:
1. Wikipedia is not as accurate.
2. Soobak is not what you think it is.
shadow01f 2 years ago
We all live in the same area and have all fought eachother (Japan, Korea, and China) We all share VERY similar cultures and combat techniques for a reason, we all tought eachother. It's no coencedence that Karate, Kung fu, and Taekkyun all look WAY more like eachother then Greek Wresling and boxing...
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
I dont use wiki, everyone and there children can make an account and change data. What you see on wiki that isnt messed with would be the same as on any reliable source which from which they copy directly on to it. =P
1. You say soobahk is not what I think it is? LOL
So your saying the muyisinbo and muyedobotongji both korean military text books are not factual?
It says it a Chinese system, which was called Shou Bo. Korean pronounced it Soo Bahk. LOL unless the koreans lie in there own books
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
@anhkhoinguyen,
yes, SooBahk is not what you think it is. if you study the etymology of the word SooBahk, you will find that it is a generic term used for any empty-hand fighting. it is not a style like TKD or Karate, etc.
no offense, you keep making wrong conclusions because you don't fully understand the text you read and/or the background of it.
shadow01f 2 years ago
@anhkhoinguyen
and about muyisinbo and muyedobotongji... they are manuals (one is a revised version of the other) that were written thousands year later (1750AD+) improving upon the Chinese manual. so, of course they are going to say some are influenced by Chinese system.
but, as i stated earlier, SooBahk (ShouBo) are generic terms used for empty-hand fighting.
just because those manuals used the word, SooBahk doesn't mean the entire Korean martial arts are influenced by Chinese martial arts.
shadow01f 2 years ago
Good lord That was n amazing quick definition of Taekgyeon ssey2000. Seriously... that was nearly perfect^^
19Aries91 4 years ago
Nice!
Max8Jizzy 4 years ago
Taekkyun* owns.
pdpMASTERP 4 years ago
kam sa ham ni da!
yogameditation 4 years ago
5/5 as per usual. wow, i never get bored of taekkyon
ubersum1 4 years ago
Se ve muy bueno.
newencura 4 years ago
graceful
iorilamia 4 years ago