opposition ball lickers , you want to convince the 60% voters to come over? Change your mentality, the opposition come out with no policies to implement and the PAP government comes out with thousands policies and of course some minor policies are not good enough but that does not mean we will vote for another party, its suicide if we do as the the opposition have no proven record only trouble maker and will we give them the opportinity ? DEFINATELY NO NO NO!
@IWasHereOpps24 is it? well then, they could throw the corrupt in jail and have successful party handovers. we singaporeans will have to continue living under oppression if we do not effect change today.
This video is not showing the true lor. Make out of something that is not true. Is this video done by Taiwanese? If so, no wonder their president corrupt and his supporter still think he is right. 人在做,天在看. Don’t do something that is not true and mislead others, if you want, show everything and let the world to judge who right and who wrong. 小心天打雷劈!
@mapaway , this video is kinnda true. do you live in Singapore? If yes, you should understand what this video is about? If you don't, try living here!
@girlmarriland , I was born and live in singapore and i know it's not the whole true. I just want to be fair to everyone and no one side story that only black name someone. If one that want to discuss, sure but show the whole true from both side and not one. why no you tell me where in the world have the best government?
@mapaway what do you mean it's not true? u dont even read the daft straits times, do you? btw, this is a hong kong-based news outlet which provides bold, inquisitive news insights instead of boot-licking and propaganda like our mainstream media in singapore.
@sgcommoner , you sound like you are a singaporean and live here. you surely think it's fair in this video? For me, I dont think so, coz it's only one side story. but most important is that how many singaporean do support him?? for what i see, other opposition party like WP and SPP also dont support the way Mr Chee's action. Like what i said to @girlmarriland, I just want to be fair to everyone, If one that want to discuss, be fair to all side. show the whole true and let people decide.
@mapaway To be fair, maybe you can visit SDP's website more often, to see what they have got to say? PAP favours/prefers WP and SPP as opposition because they are less provocative and hard-hitting, but the SDP is not wrong just because the PAP does not endorse their actions.Whole picture has to include them too. And of course, the MSM smears the SDP. But the SDP itself is improving and expanding, producing higher quality candidates that can prove to be more and more of a "credible opposition".
@sgcommoner I did visit number of website from PAP and other opposition, all of them had all their right to voice their thought and right, but one important thing is that how many of SDP thought is for the people of S'pore or for themselves? Credible opposition!!!!!It's should mean a S'porean party that willing to service & protect S'pore, not using half the true to hit Singapore, You know why? eg. Policeman also is s'porean and some SDP support. See some video that condemn our police force. 1/2
@mapaway of course some policemen also support SDP because S'pore is a democratic country after all, i would be worried if it were otherwise. the condemnation could make some sense because it is after all this force that is implementing the suppressive orders. but we are not suggesting policemen are not singaporeans and should not be treated as such. no!
@sgcommoner it’s just 1 example, do you think it right? Fair to them? Just to show other country that s’pore police is bad and gain oversea support. Those policeman are doing their job & they get hit & black name for that!!! There is 1 saying, before you get treated fairly by people, first you must treat others fairly. And why Mr Chee been fine and been jail for unable to pay it? Coz he break the law. And you know what, S’porean is really for a change but with stable and peaceful process. 2/2
@mapaway 1st, it's a fact it has happened, and it is a fact we are not living up to true democracy that respect basic rights, so nothing wrong with the reporting. 2nd, i agree with change in stable and peaceful manner, but demonstrations can be peaceful as well, nothing "destabilising". Even WP advocates peaceful demonstrations. 3rd, civic discourse can help opening up. 4th, how many times is it with the "interpretation" of the law that persecuted them, instead of the law/Constitution itself?
@sgcommoner, , 1st I don’t understand what you mean of “fact” and do not wish to voice my view about the rest of the point that you had mention. As it’s sound like arguing which I don’t want to coz I believe every1 have their right to voice their personal opinion. And you have yours. If not, we will be spending hours just to prove our point which can be put into better use. But I like to highlight one point about basic right, Eg. If one raped some1 and claim it’s his basic right as human. 1/2
@mapaway basic right restricted by the enforcement of the law. but do you think speaking in public on politics should be outlawed? that expression of public grievances should be outlawed? of course the raper should be made to face the music. i agree violators of the law should be made to face the music, although there are unjust laws that should be challenged so that there is more fairness. but the SDP itself is improving and steering away from violating the law. good job.
@mapaway the rape example is not valid because it is a criminal crime that infringes on the rights of another individual. but what we are talking about here is political opening up. and i'm not blaming the police for merely following orders, of course. the black women who broke discriminatory law against blacks in the US became a hero of change. give credit!
@sgcommoner, Do you agree? I somehow agree coz it’s his right to do that action but he must face the consequences. It’s just a thin line across on what you claim to have basic right and where is that’s LINE draw! The word “Basie Right” Or “Human Right” is a very powerful word which we must be careful with. As there had many example oversea that turn out to be a nightmare for it’s people. Btw I’m a supporter of Singaporean’s SINGAPORE if you know what I mean. Cheers.. 2/2
I'm not a PAP supporter but I feel this man is nothing but a crazy dog barking around. He's behaving more like a rogue than a true politician, he's a disgrace to Singaporean.
Hi we cannot compare a wolf with a tiger and say a wolf is better, end of the day they are all animal. If things are bad, we should look for and build up better thing not choose from the existing stituation
im taiwanese, but ill rather have singapore's autocracy than taiwanese "democracy", what with all that fighting thats going on in taiwan's cabinet, i know people who mock our MP's, saying they only need know how to fight and not lead. and our two part system brought us chen shui bian =.=
@chou040195@chou040195 in the recent ubs reports, even though we have first world country gdp. But an average singaporeans have lower purchasing power even compared to taiwan or malaysia. We ranked same as Moscow. Everything here is so ex and we earn so little.. Long hours and lack of sleep. Everything you see or heard about us are from the government state owned media. The life of a singaporean simply sucks...
@chou040195 in the recent ubs reports, even though we have first world country gdp. An average singaporeans have lower purchasing power even compared to taiwan or malaysia. We ranked same as Moscow. Everything here is so ex and we earn so little.. Long hours and lack of sleep. Everything you see or heard about us are from the government state owned media. The life of a singaporean simply sucks...
@chou040195 Well the grass is always greener on the other side... I wish I was in your country... The newspapers here treat us like morons. No intellectual freedom. I don't think you would appreciate Singapore's autocracy when their subtle threats are pointed directly at you.
@ginawilson4242 we're not really that barbaric my dear :) can you go jogging at 4am and not get mugged? :) yes we all ave flaws but insulting one person doesn't make you smarter, better or anything, we all have flaws, let the younger generations learn and change our society! :D
@DaLittleHorror Disturbing that you,,,excuse barbarity so easily, so casually,,,, as if you were eating noodles. That insult was intended only to make me feel better. It did.
@ginawilson4242 - you are joker, he misuse university fund for his wife postage and even though its small amount , when opportunity arrive , he might go for bigger. Anyway, chee is arrogant , cocky, infact babaric shouting in the streets doing demostration, rally, what a joke and he think this is america? Migrate there better lah and you do , fools,
@crazycheerocky PLEASE give up your employment flogging naked men in prison in singapore, you won't be able to go to america, but they desperately need other sick perverted homosexuals just like you in Zimbabwe. LKY and his third world barbarians will hire other fucking perverts at Changi. You stupid motherfucking bastard.
@dumdum98 well said. but to see this in news video form is new. our msm will never carry such news, ironic that we have to see such vids from foreign news outlets, but as always, nothing new..
Singaporean hope surely democracy? democracy countries are not heaven. governments of democracy countries cannot decide anything rapidly and there are internal conflicts in the country. and people dont usually choose a correct guy. you may not be rich as now. i think many Singaporean dont hope to change, because Singapore is a rich country now.
Singapore is a rich country, only for the rich. in a recent report by UBS, it puts Singapore firmly behind (off the top of my head), Johannesburg, Moscow, Tokyo (most expensive Asian city), KL and many other countries in terms of average earnings and/or spending power.
btw, do u wish to live in a country where people go to jail for indefinite periods of time without trial, get arrested for a one man assembly, go to jail just for speaking out in public?
the whole Singaporeans are rich is a damn lie. over 80% of Singaporeans live in public housing... the prices of which are sold at more than 100% in PROFITS in terms of selling and cost price. the average 20 somethings that just got married would have to get a 30 year loan to pay it off, ensuring that they would be debt slaves for their whole lives.
in addition, the 5 year min occupation policy prevents people from selling off the liability during a market crash.
@wxzs99 That's the entire point. Change wrought by politicians is usually bad and it should be slowed down to help mitigate damage. If you want 'quick change' then get a dictator - and when they start gong nuts they ban and execute people for stupid shit like singing in public (no joke).
if u really wish to get a reply, click on "reply" on my post in the future.
ha ha. u finished college, as in university? u r not in secondary 4? LOL! how fantastic.
if u r OLD enough to know and understand the issues affecting Singaporeans, then u would not believe in that lie and would know a lot more facts affecting Singaporeans. u would also be mature enough to realise and accept the fact that the PAP screwed up a lot in just 2010.
Meh.. You guys have to see and hear this guy who was jailed. He was kinda asking for it. He's been doing it for more than ten years. He has always behaved like he had a psychological issues. And him being arrested is like a punch line from my pt of view.
I mean.. This guy gave me a book he wrote about politics when I was 12, and mostly because no one else was listening to his inane & monotonous public speaking. If he were able, why isn't he enacting his policies through the existing framework?
@kevinsolx Perhaps because he can't? You forget that the existing framework heavily favors the incumbent. That's why he does what he does. To spread the message so that his party can get elected which would than give him the framework to enact SDP's policies.
I personally do not agree with some of his tactics which, as you've pointed out, appears to be him asking to be put down. As for the "psychological issues", I believe it's more of how the mainstream media portrays him to be.
@berukblue the counter-examples are Low Thia Kiang & Chiam See Tong. They're my heroes who fight everyday for citizen's rights within the system and I'm happy with what they've achieved thus far. Chee is more of... comedic relief. Politics doesn't always have to be revolution to change the system, change can be enacted from within as well, albeit slowly. I've sat through partial speeches and 1 full speech so my opinion isn't fed by mainstream media... pretty much self-observation.
@Ristar85 to qualify that part it's a purely unabashedly biased opinion of mine, and in no part an objective comment =) so I'd apologise if it offends you.
To be honest I formed that opinion so many years ago that I can't remember the specifics.. but prejudice is hard to overcome even when you know you're guilty. I do admit his more recent speeches appear more constructive though.
@kevinsolx The examples you gave are already within the framework that CSJ is trying to get into. In other words, Low Thia Kiang and Chiam See Tong are already in parliament. CSJ is not anywhere near this framework to do anything.
I also agree, change does not have to be a revolution but to see the results of CSJ and SDP's policies and see change, they must first get in. LTK and CST are not enough to counter the PAP's disastrous policies.
@berukblue at least on the receiving end of their speeches, I haven't been convinced that CSJ could achieve what he has set out, but for the other two they have been inching towards better policies, no matter how slowly. If we could amass the numbers, or with sufficiently strong (in both charisma and policy) leaders the effects could be magnified.
@kevinsolx Not that you've mentioned it, perhaps that is what CSJ is lacking, charisma. Nevertheless, I will still vote SDP. Not because of CSJ but simply because the issues that everyone is concerned about now, SDP has been warning about and trying to formulate counter policies for, before anyone else.
@berukblue strongly encourage you to join them, as they need more people with passion. I say this even though I'm not a supporter of SDP. SG's politics need people who are sufficiently concerned and would stand up to fight! =)
Unfortunately Charisma does seem to be an important part of politics, but the hardware (policy) has to be not too far behind the software (charisma) or we'll have an emotionally-driven unstable nation *cough cough*
@kevinsolx I think in terms of "hardware", the opposition have some pretty solid foundation. What they really need are people who not only have the charisma but also the integrity and robustness to fight through the typical PAP bullshit and mud-slinging to get their policies across to the people. Kenneth Jeyaratnam seems to fit that bill as far as charisma is concerned. Not to sure about integrity as I have not seen him enough to form an opinion in that regards
if u cant see that gerrymandering, among other issues like funding, announcing the election just days before, and having the entire propaganda machine against u would have an effect on his probability of getting into Parliament, then u r blind and naive.
as for believing that he acts like a psycho, as pointed out by another guy, is just how the propaganda paints him to be.
@Ristar85 nope, I didn't form that opinion based on media. And the propaganda machine is a strawman argt. You can always argue that this thread is a propaganda machine against the PAP but that's just taking things out of context. I welcome your other points though!. I think the gerrymandering and other tactics are obvious and blatant (not to mention ugly), but how best to fight? Internally like the 2 opposition MPs (slow) or to rapidly gather monumental sums of $ to build a competing party?
this thread is highlighting SG's political situation to the world, not propaganda. propaganda is making a strongman out of a person, making him look like THE saviour of Singapore.
in the Parliament, 2 MPs are totally useless because the PAP holds the majority of seats.
rapidly gather "monumental" sums of money cannot be done easily because they are demonised by the propaganda machine, the other partys' stance not very pro-business (because they're quite social oriented), etc.
@Ristar85 I'm sure that supporters of the 2 opposition MPs would argue on the point that they're useless. I think the effect that they've made has been immense, part of it was inspiring people to speak up and get involved.
The part about building an opposing force is a thought experiment... I'm not entirely sure how it will work out. I believe that a sufficiently large private corporation can essentially rebrand itself and compete with the government due to the economy being SG's strength.
they are useless because they do not have the numbers, it's not about them personally. for example, upgrading needs to be done by the HDB, and the PAP controls HDB. in terms of legislation, they have no say because all PAP MPs will just say "yes"... hell, many dun even turn up.
as for the corporate donors, no corporation will pay money to a social oriented political party so that it can get screwed over later. besides, no party is more pro-biz than the PAP.
also, any donation of more than S$5000 has to be made public for the sake of "transparency".
any meaningful donation by a corporation to a political party is like declaring war on the PAP, since the PAP will know who gave how much.
corporations want to make money, and they dun care about freedoms. they are not interested in the well being of the country or its citizens even if they may claim otherwise. getting the money flowing in is their only aim.
@Ristar85 hm... been always toying with the idea of the line between corporation & politics blurring. But that goes a bit too far. But yes I definitely agree that the two of them are not enough, that's why more people who care (like us) should build ourselves to step up eventually and fight the good fight. In fact I'm not surprised if we're all on that invisible radar already; but that doesn't mean we should resign to apathy =) Maybe someday you or I could make a difference!
@Ristar85 I was talking about, the lawsuits over slander. Plus the whining about Racism and Violent language. Which is nothing more than SILENCING the (D)ictatorship Party OPPONENTS!
though im not sure about the slander lawsuits, i think your "silencing" thing can not be equated to SG's situation. unlike Singapore, the ppl in the USA have a lot of freedom to say whatever they want, whether those that do the talking do it in a responsible way or not.
no one is silencing the Republicans. for example, Sarah Palin says that the Democrats are trying to silence her all the time, but she's also ALWAYS on Fox News. so, this begs the question, "where's the silencing?"
@Ristar85 Oppression comes in many forms, whether through the barrel of a gun or through intimidation of free speech. Singapore is more oppressed, but the U.S.A. is NOT immune to oppression. So when Sarah Palin is called a racist or that she is promoting violence and told that she should shut up. When she just has different opinions than the (D)ictatorship Party. Well, then they are trying to silence her and FREE SPEECH.
no one is actually intimidating Sarah, and she's the one doing the intimidating with all the "dun retreat, reload", crosshair graphics, and Fox's incessant Nazi, Communist, Facist comparisons, bring guns everywhere, and the Tea Party's "tree of liberty needs to be refreshed" nonsense (while packing heat).
if anyone is intimidating anyone, it's the Republicans. the Democrats are push overs and are just calling for a more civil political discourse. they have the freedom of speech too.
@Ristar85 FREE SPEECH never killed anyone, those that try to silence free speech DO! Their is NOTHING civil about a U.S. President calling people that disagree with his policies, ENEMIES. I know what OPPRESSION is and I can see it with my own two eyes, even if yours seem to be DISTORTED! Just because someone calls for civility, does not mean they live by it. Like Al Gore calling for everyone to go green, while he flies around in his own personal jet and owns multiple homes, using electricity.
u mean repeating "Tiller the Baby Killer" ad nauseum didnt play at least a contributing factor to the killing of the doctor?
when did Obama say that those that disagree with his policies are enemies? i remember Bush's "u r either with us, or against us" speech.
Al Gore's green thingie and free speech can not be lumped together. as i see it, NO one is actually suppressing the Republicans, in fact, they play what they say on their shows every day/night to make fun of them.
@Ristar85 No, stupidity or evil needs no excuses! The 2010 elections. Your last comment made about as much sense as your writing ability, which is incompetent. Free speech and guns are as dangerous as a toilet, it is the DISTURBED PERSON you have to worry about.
@Ristar85 That is a STRAIGHT UP LIE! He never even watched or listened to the news, of any network. Have you been living in a cave? Get your FACTS STRAIGHT, before you push that PROPAGANDA SHIT!!!
in addition, the "liberal media" that Sarah Palin accuses of "intimidation" or of "shutting her up" keeps INVITING her to get onto their shows to clear up the nonsense she says every time she opens her mouth. nope, she would only appear on Fox.
there is no place for lies in politics, freedom of speech or not. politics isnt child's play, it has actual consequences on the running of the country.
@Ristar85 We should hold Politicians accountable for there lies! We should also be able to tell when they are lying. You seem to be lacking that wisdom. No one or no country is perfect, all we can do is to try and make things better. NOT WORSE!
@Ristar85 It's long been a practice of hardliners in the US police state to jail political speakers opposing government policies, using "conspiracy" and "incitement to riot" laws. Perhaps the most famous were the Chicago 8, arrested during protests at the 1968 Democratic convention . There are currently anti-war protesters in jail or facing jail time on those charges. Contempt-of-court charges have also been used to jail political opponents for public speech, outside court (Lynn Stewart).
@Ristar85 Thank you, for the opportunity to counter a common misconception. Only a few states, at the extreme end of the spectrum, openly ban political speech. Usually states control speech through politically neutral laws that are used in political ways - for example Singapore's defamation law, or currently Thailand's lese majeste. US law is extensive, offering rulers many weapons, with "conspiracy" used as the the weapon of choice because of the flexibility offered by its vagueness.
I'm really dissapointed by this video. Well, I'm actually really offended. First of all, the quality of living in Singapore is A LOT better compared to Taiwan. There is no need to hold elections when most of Singapore is completely satisfied with the current government, where there is essentially no corruption. Whereas in Taiwan, well heard of Chen Shui Bian? Not to mention that comparing SIngapore to North Korea is downright atrocious and offensive.
1. 'Quality of living' is subjective. It's unlikely that everyone in Singapore (or Taiwan) would agree that Singapore life is better.
2. In a de facto one-party state, where protest is effectively outlawed, how does one determine that most are completely satisfied with the government?
3. If Taiwan's government had only one party, no transparency, and a state-controlled press (as in Singapore and North Korea), its corruption would not be exposed: i.e., essentially no corruption.
Hey Strawberry Junkie, there is no way to prove that Lee is capable as lets face it, he does not have any one to be compared too. Anyone who tries is locked up. Isn't it time for the US to pull the plug on Singapore? Lets face it, isn't this just another Egypt waiting to happen.
@Ristar85 -- hey ristar85, try not to show your ignorance of english. even though you are probably a singaporean government shill, let me say it again, Singapore does not get by without aid of USA. That's right, Malaysia would walk in and your banking (money-laundering) system would collapse, if it was not for aid of USA. That doesn't mean money, it means helping along. But just like Egypt the time has come to cast aside Singapore as a friend of the US.
@Ristar85 Okay, - Who keeps Singapore/Malacca Straits open? - the 7th fleet. Who allows Singapore to be at it's side on the stage, as Singaporeans know their place and do as US does? Would Malaysia not lord over Singapore if the US was not there to protect it? And on and on it goes. Singapore stays alive because America wants it alive... And the Lee family does what the US wants...
u talk as if there's a great number of US warships here to keep the Malaysians away. the 7th Fleet has its logistics force HQ here. the US has a base everywhere, this is quite common.
regarding Malaysia lording over Singapore, unless u r talking about a war (quite debatable) over a strip of land without natural resources, the thought of Malaysia "lording over Singapore" is ludicrous.
btw, do your best to differentiate between the ppl and the PAP. i know it's difficult for u.
the PAP jailed a LOT of people indefinitely without trial in the past.
it is now importing a lot of cheap foreigners to suppress wages, while jacking up the HDB prices with its inane policies.
capable or not, no one knows. if they were so capable, they wouldnt need to do so much deficit spending and get Singapore to have an extremely high debt to GDP ratio.
then again, maybe u r too young to understand wat im talking about.
in addition, from a recent UBS report, it is found that people in Moscow, Tokyo (despite being the most expensive Asian city), KL and many, many other countries have greater spending power.
Google it to learn the details.
if so capable, then how come Singaporeans have so little spending power?
btw, the HDB i talked about earlier? they sell it at around 100% in PROFITS per unit. HDB is meant to provide "affordable" housing, not enslave ppl for 30 years.
Yeah Singapore seriously ticks me off. It is a dangerous system having only one party in control like that since it sets it up for them to strip away all rights when a "crisis' occurs.
this is retarded, singapore is a great conuntry. and has a great government, even though we have strict laws for almost everything. at least it is a safe ans livable country. though times may be bad, doesnt mean we should blame the government about it. its the citizens with the government that creates a country. work together.
saying things are "retarded" followed by a whole bunch of empty rhetoric does not make the facts any less true.
what "times are bad" nonsense? this is so typical of a retarded 2 bit PAP supporter. this vid is about a man who got into jail just for the act of speaking in public.
@jaycedropsup I totally agree, just because Singapore has a one party government doesn't change the fact that the country has low crime rate, jobs for everyone and it's a peaceful country, and why is that, because of the "despotic" government
@miyavizim I totally disagree, just because Singapore has a low crime rate, jobs for everyone and it's a peaceful country doesn't change the fact that it has a one-party government.
@jaycedropsup this is retarded, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a great conuntry. and has a great government, even though we have strict laws for almost everything. at least it is a safe and livable country. though times may be bad, doesnt mean we should blame the government about it. its the citizens with the government that creates a country. work together.
@595o I wasn't replying to your comment... in fact I made mine earlier than yours. But I see what you did there, you make a good point. It shows how there is no gold standard in governance.
@emptyangel: Can you name anything Chee Soon Juan has done that morally justifies him being put in jail? Remember, freedom of speech and assembly are defined by the UN as human rights.
HAHAHA... singapore! Always says Gov of Malaysia is hypocrite... but in reality they are the same. When a monkey says others a monkey, the monkey is worse.
@eEconomist2002 hahas, flaunting your stupidity everywhere. low priority replies? lols, it seems that the only person you have been replying to is me, really no life sia you, worse than me. hahas
This video is crap.
kensaxophone 3 weeks ago
Nonsense video. lol.
Reddotgolfersorg 1 month ago
Grotesque, immature propaganda.
mishaloong 4 months ago 2
@mishaloong Totally right on all 3 counts. But youd be hard pressed to add "falsity" to the charges!
thebloads 1 month ago
opposition ball lickers , you want to convince the 60% voters to come over? Change your mentality, the opposition come out with no policies to implement and the PAP government comes out with thousands policies and of course some minor policies are not good enough but that does not mean we will vote for another party, its suicide if we do as the the opposition have no proven record only trouble maker and will we give them the opportinity ? DEFINATELY NO NO NO!
rockyboy467 5 months ago
@rockyboy467 of course...you make them pay and pay...anyone join the opp. party may get into trouble...its in wikileaks dear
janejn7788 5 months ago
@rockyboy467 Please lah many parties esp WP has been proposing proposal but MIW is deaf
TribalSkyPlanet 1 month ago
国家或地区越民主，社会就越乱，因为越来越多人不肯自律，缺乏道德规范，反而滥用自由。这种现实不胜枚举。。。
JIANGTG 6 months ago
tai wan. please improve on your shao-lin parliament before commenting on other countries' parliament system.
alfondnumb 6 months ago
Singapore, the Lee's dynasty
seansee97 8 months ago
sheesh when is china ever going to invade?
Nicholas963258 9 months ago
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IWasHereOpps24 9 months ago
@IWasHereOpps24 is it? well then, they could throw the corrupt in jail and have successful party handovers. we singaporeans will have to continue living under oppression if we do not effect change today.
sgcommoner 8 months ago
This video is not showing the true lor. Make out of something that is not true. Is this video done by Taiwanese? If so, no wonder their president corrupt and his supporter still think he is right. 人在做,天在看. Don’t do something that is not true and mislead others, if you want, show everything and let the world to judge who right and who wrong. 小心天打雷劈!
mapaway 9 months ago
@mapaway , this video is kinnda true. do you live in Singapore? If yes, you should understand what this video is about? If you don't, try living here!
girlmarriland 8 months ago
@girlmarriland , I was born and live in singapore and i know it's not the whole true. I just want to be fair to everyone and no one side story that only black name someone. If one that want to discuss, sure but show the whole true from both side and not one. why no you tell me where in the world have the best government?
mapaway 8 months ago
@mapaway what do you mean it's not true? u dont even read the daft straits times, do you? btw, this is a hong kong-based news outlet which provides bold, inquisitive news insights instead of boot-licking and propaganda like our mainstream media in singapore.
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@sgcommoner , you sound like you are a singaporean and live here. you surely think it's fair in this video? For me, I dont think so, coz it's only one side story. but most important is that how many singaporean do support him?? for what i see, other opposition party like WP and SPP also dont support the way Mr Chee's action. Like what i said to @girlmarriland, I just want to be fair to everyone, If one that want to discuss, be fair to all side. show the whole true and let people decide.
mapaway 8 months ago
@mapaway To be fair, maybe you can visit SDP's website more often, to see what they have got to say? PAP favours/prefers WP and SPP as opposition because they are less provocative and hard-hitting, but the SDP is not wrong just because the PAP does not endorse their actions.Whole picture has to include them too. And of course, the MSM smears the SDP. But the SDP itself is improving and expanding, producing higher quality candidates that can prove to be more and more of a "credible opposition".
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@sgcommoner I did visit number of website from PAP and other opposition, all of them had all their right to voice their thought and right, but one important thing is that how many of SDP thought is for the people of S'pore or for themselves? Credible opposition!!!!!It's should mean a S'porean party that willing to service & protect S'pore, not using half the true to hit Singapore, You know why? eg. Policeman also is s'porean and some SDP support. See some video that condemn our police force. 1/2
mapaway 8 months ago
@mapaway of course some policemen also support SDP because S'pore is a democratic country after all, i would be worried if it were otherwise. the condemnation could make some sense because it is after all this force that is implementing the suppressive orders. but we are not suggesting policemen are not singaporeans and should not be treated as such. no!
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@sgcommoner it’s just 1 example, do you think it right? Fair to them? Just to show other country that s’pore police is bad and gain oversea support. Those policeman are doing their job & they get hit & black name for that!!! There is 1 saying, before you get treated fairly by people, first you must treat others fairly. And why Mr Chee been fine and been jail for unable to pay it? Coz he break the law. And you know what, S’porean is really for a change but with stable and peaceful process. 2/2
mapaway 8 months ago
@mapaway 1st, it's a fact it has happened, and it is a fact we are not living up to true democracy that respect basic rights, so nothing wrong with the reporting. 2nd, i agree with change in stable and peaceful manner, but demonstrations can be peaceful as well, nothing "destabilising". Even WP advocates peaceful demonstrations. 3rd, civic discourse can help opening up. 4th, how many times is it with the "interpretation" of the law that persecuted them, instead of the law/Constitution itself?
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@sgcommoner, , 1st I don’t understand what you mean of “fact” and do not wish to voice my view about the rest of the point that you had mention. As it’s sound like arguing which I don’t want to coz I believe every1 have their right to voice their personal opinion. And you have yours. If not, we will be spending hours just to prove our point which can be put into better use. But I like to highlight one point about basic right, Eg. If one raped some1 and claim it’s his basic right as human. 1/2
mapaway 8 months ago
@mapaway basic right restricted by the enforcement of the law. but do you think speaking in public on politics should be outlawed? that expression of public grievances should be outlawed? of course the raper should be made to face the music. i agree violators of the law should be made to face the music, although there are unjust laws that should be challenged so that there is more fairness. but the SDP itself is improving and steering away from violating the law. good job.
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@mapaway the rape example is not valid because it is a criminal crime that infringes on the rights of another individual. but what we are talking about here is political opening up. and i'm not blaming the police for merely following orders, of course. the black women who broke discriminatory law against blacks in the US became a hero of change. give credit!
sgcommoner 8 months ago
@sgcommoner, Do you agree? I somehow agree coz it’s his right to do that action but he must face the consequences. It’s just a thin line across on what you claim to have basic right and where is that’s LINE draw! The word “Basie Right” Or “Human Right” is a very powerful word which we must be careful with. As there had many example oversea that turn out to be a nightmare for it’s people. Btw I’m a supporter of Singaporean’s SINGAPORE if you know what I mean. Cheers.. 2/2
mapaway 8 months ago
I'm not a PAP supporter but I feel this man is nothing but a crazy dog barking around. He's behaving more like a rogue than a true politician, he's a disgrace to Singaporean.
thomastanjo 9 months ago
@thomastanjo Then you have been brainwashed by the Mainstream Media as per the bulk of the resident population :)
wijeyekoonjoseph 9 months ago
omg this video is featured.. :D
MrBoomSonic 9 months ago
Hahah I feel the Taiwanese are too modest in depicting our situation.
cockupcb 9 months ago 5
Hi we cannot compare a wolf with a tiger and say a wolf is better, end of the day they are all animal. If things are bad, we should look for and build up better thing not choose from the existing stituation
81huangdi 10 months ago
Its just like a place selling very very nice fried rice, air condition, very good customer service, give u free desert, but $15 a plate.
kmatt1978 10 months ago
im taiwanese, but ill rather have singapore's autocracy than taiwanese "democracy", what with all that fighting thats going on in taiwan's cabinet, i know people who mock our MP's, saying they only need know how to fight and not lead. and our two part system brought us chen shui bian =.=
chou040195 10 months ago
@chou040195 You meant you rather be in north korean than taiwan?
jinki 10 months ago
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@chou040195 @chou040195 in the recent ubs reports, even though we have first world country gdp. But an average singaporeans have lower purchasing power even compared to taiwan or malaysia. We ranked same as Moscow. Everything here is so ex and we earn so little.. Long hours and lack of sleep. Everything you see or heard about us are from the government state owned media. The life of a singaporean simply sucks...
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@chou040195 in the recent ubs reports, even though we have first world country gdp. An average singaporeans have lower purchasing power even compared to taiwan or malaysia. We ranked same as Moscow. Everything here is so ex and we earn so little.. Long hours and lack of sleep. Everything you see or heard about us are from the government state owned media. The life of a singaporean simply sucks...
jinki 10 months ago
@chou040195 No, you don't.
cannonblastJ 10 months ago
@chou040195 Well the grass is always greener on the other side... I wish I was in your country... The newspapers here treat us like morons. No intellectual freedom. I don't think you would appreciate Singapore's autocracy when their subtle threats are pointed directly at you.
cockupcb 9 months ago
It is situations like this that leave me pondering about what exactly are we practicing - autocracy or democracy?
Creuzillion 10 months ago
Agreed everything said in this video. It is true.
yongngeetay123 10 months ago
Chee Soon Juan seems to be the only MAN in barbaric Singapore with any
Balls!
ginawilson4242 1 year ago 33
@ginawilson4242 - actually he has no balls , just sissy, not really man dear
rockyboy467 7 months ago
@rockyboy467 Baby, he has more ROCKS than you will ever have,,,you poor pathetic barbaric bastard.
ginawilson4242 7 months ago
@ginawilson4242 - His ball is rotten and you do not have balls , you are still here, ginawilson4242. BASTARD
rockyboy467 5 months ago
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@rockyboy467 The only thing rotten is your stinking ass so shut the hell up you FUCKING piece of shit.
You want to continue to lick the PAP's asshole--well go ahead---but know that you will not be able to get the stench off of you,,,ROTTEN PIG!
You bring out the best in me.....
ginawilson4242 5 months ago
@ginawilson4242 we're not really that barbaric my dear :) can you go jogging at 4am and not get mugged? :) yes we all ave flaws but insulting one person doesn't make you smarter, better or anything, we all have flaws, let the younger generations learn and change our society! :D
DaLittleHorror 1 month ago
@DaLittleHorror Disturbing that you,,,excuse barbarity so easily, so casually,,,, as if you were eating noodles. That insult was intended only to make me feel better. It did.
ginawilson4242 1 month ago
@ginawilson4242 - you are joker, he misuse university fund for his wife postage and even though its small amount , when opportunity arrive , he might go for bigger. Anyway, chee is arrogant , cocky, infact babaric shouting in the streets doing demostration, rally, what a joke and he think this is america? Migrate there better lah and you do , fools,
crazycheerocky 4 weeks ago
@crazycheerocky PLEASE give up your employment flogging naked men in prison in singapore, you won't be able to go to america, but they desperately need other sick perverted homosexuals just like you in Zimbabwe. LKY and his third world barbarians will hire other fucking perverts at Changi. You stupid motherfucking bastard.
ginawilson4242 3 weeks ago
what is reported is just a tip of the iceberg...
democracy? human rights?
hahaha
dumdum98 1 year ago 15
@dumdum98 well said. but to see this in news video form is new. our msm will never carry such news, ironic that we have to see such vids from foreign news outlets, but as always, nothing new..
sgcommoner 8 months ago
Ristar85 is an idiot -0-
strawberryylurve 1 year ago
ha, love the fire-breathing Mer-lion!
jojoinhere 1 year ago
Singaporean hope surely democracy? democracy countries are not heaven. governments of democracy countries cannot decide anything rapidly and there are internal conflicts in the country. and people dont usually choose a correct guy. you may not be rich as now. i think many Singaporean dont hope to change, because Singapore is a rich country now.
wxzs99 1 year ago
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Ristar85 1 year ago
@wxzs99
Singapore is a rich country, only for the rich. in a recent report by UBS, it puts Singapore firmly behind (off the top of my head), Johannesburg, Moscow, Tokyo (most expensive Asian city), KL and many other countries in terms of average earnings and/or spending power.
btw, do u wish to live in a country where people go to jail for indefinite periods of time without trial, get arrested for a one man assembly, go to jail just for speaking out in public?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@wxzs99
the whole Singaporeans are rich is a damn lie. over 80% of Singaporeans live in public housing... the prices of which are sold at more than 100% in PROFITS in terms of selling and cost price. the average 20 somethings that just got married would have to get a 30 year loan to pay it off, ensuring that they would be debt slaves for their whole lives.
in addition, the 5 year min occupation policy prevents people from selling off the liability during a market crash.
Ristar85 1 year ago 3
@wxzs99 That's the entire point. Change wrought by politicians is usually bad and it should be slowed down to help mitigate damage. If you want 'quick change' then get a dictator - and when they start gong nuts they ban and execute people for stupid shit like singing in public (no joke).
thegoodlocust 1 year ago
I m 16 y am I still too young to understand !! I finished college at a age of 15 just letting u know
strawberryylurve 1 year ago
@strawberryylurve
if u really wish to get a reply, click on "reply" on my post in the future.
ha ha. u finished college, as in university? u r not in secondary 4? LOL! how fantastic.
if u r OLD enough to know and understand the issues affecting Singaporeans, then u would not believe in that lie and would know a lot more facts affecting Singaporeans. u would also be mature enough to realise and accept the fact that the PAP screwed up a lot in just 2010.
Ristar85 1 year ago
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strawberryylurve 1 year ago
you know what's the best part of the video?
The fire-spewing merlion at 0.06
I mean seriously, what can top *that*?
sojourne 1 year ago
simply put emptyangel chee has no substance.
i've watched him talk, i've watched his sister talk.
i think their problem is they only can talk - to the english speaking
he should go chinese, malay or tamil more
by now he should have made the effort to learn learn learn
like the rulers or else it's just sad to say empty, angel!
zoroop 1 year ago
Meh.. You guys have to see and hear this guy who was jailed. He was kinda asking for it. He's been doing it for more than ten years. He has always behaved like he had a psychological issues. And him being arrested is like a punch line from my pt of view.
I mean.. This guy gave me a book he wrote about politics when I was 12, and mostly because no one else was listening to his inane & monotonous public speaking. If he were able, why isn't he enacting his policies through the existing framework?
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx Perhaps because he can't? You forget that the existing framework heavily favors the incumbent. That's why he does what he does. To spread the message so that his party can get elected which would than give him the framework to enact SDP's policies.
I personally do not agree with some of his tactics which, as you've pointed out, appears to be him asking to be put down. As for the "psychological issues", I believe it's more of how the mainstream media portrays him to be.
berukblue 1 year ago
@berukblue the counter-examples are Low Thia Kiang & Chiam See Tong. They're my heroes who fight everyday for citizen's rights within the system and I'm happy with what they've achieved thus far. Chee is more of... comedic relief. Politics doesn't always have to be revolution to change the system, change can be enacted from within as well, albeit slowly. I've sat through partial speeches and 1 full speech so my opinion isn't fed by mainstream media... pretty much self-observation.
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
and yet "change" like making a one man protest illegal can be done immediately.
5 steps back all the time.
what did CSJ talk about in his speeches that made u think of him as a comedic relief?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 to qualify that part it's a purely unabashedly biased opinion of mine, and in no part an objective comment =) so I'd apologise if it offends you.
To be honest I formed that opinion so many years ago that I can't remember the specifics.. but prejudice is hard to overcome even when you know you're guilty. I do admit his more recent speeches appear more constructive though.
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx The examples you gave are already within the framework that CSJ is trying to get into. In other words, Low Thia Kiang and Chiam See Tong are already in parliament. CSJ is not anywhere near this framework to do anything.
I also agree, change does not have to be a revolution but to see the results of CSJ and SDP's policies and see change, they must first get in. LTK and CST are not enough to counter the PAP's disastrous policies.
berukblue 1 year ago
@berukblue at least on the receiving end of their speeches, I haven't been convinced that CSJ could achieve what he has set out, but for the other two they have been inching towards better policies, no matter how slowly. If we could amass the numbers, or with sufficiently strong (in both charisma and policy) leaders the effects could be magnified.
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx Not that you've mentioned it, perhaps that is what CSJ is lacking, charisma. Nevertheless, I will still vote SDP. Not because of CSJ but simply because the issues that everyone is concerned about now, SDP has been warning about and trying to formulate counter policies for, before anyone else.
berukblue 1 year ago
@berukblue strongly encourage you to join them, as they need more people with passion. I say this even though I'm not a supporter of SDP. SG's politics need people who are sufficiently concerned and would stand up to fight! =)
Unfortunately Charisma does seem to be an important part of politics, but the hardware (policy) has to be not too far behind the software (charisma) or we'll have an emotionally-driven unstable nation *cough cough*
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx I think in terms of "hardware", the opposition have some pretty solid foundation. What they really need are people who not only have the charisma but also the integrity and robustness to fight through the typical PAP bullshit and mud-slinging to get their policies across to the people. Kenneth Jeyaratnam seems to fit that bill as far as charisma is concerned. Not to sure about integrity as I have not seen him enough to form an opinion in that regards
berukblue 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
This is the most sane comment yet on this video
armskoteic 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
what tactics r u talking about in particular?
if u cant see that gerrymandering, among other issues like funding, announcing the election just days before, and having the entire propaganda machine against u would have an effect on his probability of getting into Parliament, then u r blind and naive.
as for believing that he acts like a psycho, as pointed out by another guy, is just how the propaganda paints him to be.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 nope, I didn't form that opinion based on media. And the propaganda machine is a strawman argt. You can always argue that this thread is a propaganda machine against the PAP but that's just taking things out of context. I welcome your other points though!. I think the gerrymandering and other tactics are obvious and blatant (not to mention ugly), but how best to fight? Internally like the 2 opposition MPs (slow) or to rapidly gather monumental sums of $ to build a competing party?
kevinsolx 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
this thread is highlighting SG's political situation to the world, not propaganda. propaganda is making a strongman out of a person, making him look like THE saviour of Singapore.
in the Parliament, 2 MPs are totally useless because the PAP holds the majority of seats.
rapidly gather "monumental" sums of money cannot be done easily because they are demonised by the propaganda machine, the other partys' stance not very pro-business (because they're quite social oriented), etc.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 I'm sure that supporters of the 2 opposition MPs would argue on the point that they're useless. I think the effect that they've made has been immense, part of it was inspiring people to speak up and get involved.
The part about building an opposing force is a thought experiment... I'm not entirely sure how it will work out. I believe that a sufficiently large private corporation can essentially rebrand itself and compete with the government due to the economy being SG's strength.
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Ristar85 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
they are useless because they do not have the numbers, it's not about them personally. for example, upgrading needs to be done by the HDB, and the PAP controls HDB. in terms of legislation, they have no say because all PAP MPs will just say "yes"... hell, many dun even turn up.
as for the corporate donors, no corporation will pay money to a social oriented political party so that it can get screwed over later. besides, no party is more pro-biz than the PAP.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@kevinsolx
also, any donation of more than S$5000 has to be made public for the sake of "transparency".
any meaningful donation by a corporation to a political party is like declaring war on the PAP, since the PAP will know who gave how much.
corporations want to make money, and they dun care about freedoms. they are not interested in the well being of the country or its citizens even if they may claim otherwise. getting the money flowing in is their only aim.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 hm... been always toying with the idea of the line between corporation & politics blurring. But that goes a bit too far. But yes I definitely agree that the two of them are not enough, that's why more people who care (like us) should build ourselves to step up eventually and fight the good fight. In fact I'm not surprised if we're all on that invisible radar already; but that doesn't mean we should resign to apathy =) Maybe someday you or I could make a difference!
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kevinsolx 1 year ago
Reminds me of the whiners in the (D)ictatorship Party!
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
when was the last time a politician got a jail term for speaking in public in the USA?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 I was talking about, the lawsuits over slander. Plus the whining about Racism and Violent language. Which is nothing more than SILENCING the (D)ictatorship Party OPPONENTS!
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
though im not sure about the slander lawsuits, i think your "silencing" thing can not be equated to SG's situation. unlike Singapore, the ppl in the USA have a lot of freedom to say whatever they want, whether those that do the talking do it in a responsible way or not.
no one is silencing the Republicans. for example, Sarah Palin says that the Democrats are trying to silence her all the time, but she's also ALWAYS on Fox News. so, this begs the question, "where's the silencing?"
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 Oppression comes in many forms, whether through the barrel of a gun or through intimidation of free speech. Singapore is more oppressed, but the U.S.A. is NOT immune to oppression. So when Sarah Palin is called a racist or that she is promoting violence and told that she should shut up. When she just has different opinions than the (D)ictatorship Party. Well, then they are trying to silence her and FREE SPEECH.
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
no one is actually intimidating Sarah, and she's the one doing the intimidating with all the "dun retreat, reload", crosshair graphics, and Fox's incessant Nazi, Communist, Facist comparisons, bring guns everywhere, and the Tea Party's "tree of liberty needs to be refreshed" nonsense (while packing heat).
if anyone is intimidating anyone, it's the Republicans. the Democrats are push overs and are just calling for a more civil political discourse. they have the freedom of speech too.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 FREE SPEECH never killed anyone, those that try to silence free speech DO! Their is NOTHING civil about a U.S. President calling people that disagree with his policies, ENEMIES. I know what OPPRESSION is and I can see it with my own two eyes, even if yours seem to be DISTORTED! Just because someone calls for civility, does not mean they live by it. Like Al Gore calling for everyone to go green, while he flies around in his own personal jet and owns multiple homes, using electricity.
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
u mean repeating "Tiller the Baby Killer" ad nauseum didnt play at least a contributing factor to the killing of the doctor?
when did Obama say that those that disagree with his policies are enemies? i remember Bush's "u r either with us, or against us" speech.
Al Gore's green thingie and free speech can not be lumped together. as i see it, NO one is actually suppressing the Republicans, in fact, they play what they say on their shows every day/night to make fun of them.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 No, stupidity or evil needs no excuses! The 2010 elections. Your last comment made about as much sense as your writing ability, which is incompetent. Free speech and guns are as dangerous as a toilet, it is the DISTURBED PERSON you have to worry about.
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@TORREY333
this is the internet, and im not typing a fucking thesis for a professor, get used to it.
these kinds of personal attack r very petty.
the disturbed people took cues from the Republicans' rhetoric.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 We both know that is a load of horse shit. If you do not know that, then you are very NAIVE!
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
naive.... because the person that did it echoed watever Fox News was pushing day in and day out. lol.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 That is a STRAIGHT UP LIE! He never even watched or listened to the news, of any network. Have you been living in a cave? Get your FACTS STRAIGHT, before you push that PROPAGANDA SHIT!!!
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
proof?
Ristar85 1 year ago
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@TORREY333
in addition, the "liberal media" that Sarah Palin accuses of "intimidation" or of "shutting her up" keeps INVITING her to get onto their shows to clear up the nonsense she says every time she opens her mouth. nope, she would only appear on Fox.
there is no place for lies in politics, freedom of speech or not. politics isnt child's play, it has actual consequences on the running of the country.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 We should hold Politicians accountable for there lies! We should also be able to tell when they are lying. You seem to be lacking that wisdom. No one or no country is perfect, all we can do is to try and make things better. NOT WORSE!
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
off tangent empty rhetoric with personal attacks.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 Well then if you do not like my answers, then DO NOT ask me to explain my opinions! DUMBASS :)-
TORREY333 1 year ago
@TORREY333
another rubbish reply from u.
when did i ask u to explain your opinion? can u tell the difference between a question mark and a period?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 DO NOT, troll me you little PARASITE!
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@TORREY333
im not trolling u. im just pointing out that im not asking u to explain your opinion, mr internet tough guy.
difference.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 It's long been a practice of hardliners in the US police state to jail political speakers opposing government policies, using "conspiracy" and "incitement to riot" laws. Perhaps the most famous were the Chicago 8, arrested during protests at the 1968 Democratic convention . There are currently anti-war protesters in jail or facing jail time on those charges. Contempt-of-court charges have also been used to jail political opponents for public speech, outside court (Lynn Stewart).
justJunya 1 year ago
@justJunya
thanks for the info.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 Thank you, for the opportunity to counter a common misconception. Only a few states, at the extreme end of the spectrum, openly ban political speech. Usually states control speech through politically neutral laws that are used in political ways - for example Singapore's defamation law, or currently Thailand's lese majeste. US law is extensive, offering rulers many weapons, with "conspiracy" used as the the weapon of choice because of the flexibility offered by its vagueness.
justJunya 1 year ago
I'm really dissapointed by this video. Well, I'm actually really offended. First of all, the quality of living in Singapore is A LOT better compared to Taiwan. There is no need to hold elections when most of Singapore is completely satisfied with the current government, where there is essentially no corruption. Whereas in Taiwan, well heard of Chen Shui Bian? Not to mention that comparing SIngapore to North Korea is downright atrocious and offensive.
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@lya95
i was like u when i was younger - i dun blame u, i blame the propaganda u watch day in and day out.
when u grow older, u will realise that what u said was inherently anti-democratic and would lead to an authoritarian country disguised as a Republic.
maybe u r too young to remember, but before Saddam's regime was conquered by the USA, he had a 100% approval rating.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@lya95 You are satisfied with panem et circenses?
595o 1 year ago
@lya95
1. 'Quality of living' is subjective. It's unlikely that everyone in Singapore (or Taiwan) would agree that Singapore life is better.
2. In a de facto one-party state, where protest is effectively outlawed, how does one determine that most are completely satisfied with the government?
3. If Taiwan's government had only one party, no transparency, and a state-controlled press (as in Singapore and North Korea), its corruption would not be exposed: i.e., essentially no corruption.
justJunya 1 year ago
Fuck ads, popping right in front of the subtitles. Are you fucking kidding me?
TinklestheGoat 1 year ago
Btw, They have jailed people before for GIVING OUT FLYERS
yuujin7788 1 year ago 64
The truth is EVEN worse than this
yuujin7788 1 year ago 59
Hey Strawberry Junkie, there is no way to prove that Lee is capable as lets face it, he does not have any one to be compared too. Anyone who tries is locked up. Isn't it time for the US to pull the plug on Singapore? Lets face it, isn't this just another Egypt waiting to happen.
marksimon12163 1 year ago
@marksimon12163
USA does not provide any aid to Singapore. try not to flaunt your ignorance too much.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 -- hey ristar85, try not to show your ignorance of english. even though you are probably a singaporean government shill, let me say it again, Singapore does not get by without aid of USA. That's right, Malaysia would walk in and your banking (money-laundering) system would collapse, if it was not for aid of USA. That doesn't mean money, it means helping along. But just like Egypt the time has come to cast aside Singapore as a friend of the US.
marksimon12163 1 year ago
@marksimon12163
lol, proof?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@Ristar85 Okay, - Who keeps Singapore/Malacca Straits open? - the 7th fleet. Who allows Singapore to be at it's side on the stage, as Singaporeans know their place and do as US does? Would Malaysia not lord over Singapore if the US was not there to protect it? And on and on it goes. Singapore stays alive because America wants it alive... And the Lee family does what the US wants...
marksimon12163 1 year ago
@marksimon12163
u talk as if there's a great number of US warships here to keep the Malaysians away. the 7th Fleet has its logistics force HQ here. the US has a base everywhere, this is quite common.
regarding Malaysia lording over Singapore, unless u r talking about a war (quite debatable) over a strip of land without natural resources, the thought of Malaysia "lording over Singapore" is ludicrous.
btw, do your best to differentiate between the ppl and the PAP. i know it's difficult for u.
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@marksimon12163
one last thing, it seems like u dunno that Singapore was expelled from its initial merger with Malaysia.
Singapore "stay alive" because the USA protects it? lol... joke of the year.
Ristar85 1 year ago
There is no other political party that is better than PAP
Although it is passing from father to son , it's not only because lee Hsiang long is the son it is because he is capable.
strawberryylurve 1 year ago
@strawberryylurve
that in itself is a lie that u bought into.
the PAP jailed a LOT of people indefinitely without trial in the past.
it is now importing a lot of cheap foreigners to suppress wages, while jacking up the HDB prices with its inane policies.
capable or not, no one knows. if they were so capable, they wouldnt need to do so much deficit spending and get Singapore to have an extremely high debt to GDP ratio.
then again, maybe u r too young to understand wat im talking about.
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Ristar85 1 year ago
@strawberryylurve
in addition, from a recent UBS report, it is found that people in Moscow, Tokyo (despite being the most expensive Asian city), KL and many, many other countries have greater spending power.
Google it to learn the details.
if so capable, then how come Singaporeans have so little spending power?
btw, the HDB i talked about earlier? they sell it at around 100% in PROFITS per unit. HDB is meant to provide "affordable" housing, not enslave ppl for 30 years.
Ristar85 1 year ago
Yeah Singapore seriously ticks me off. It is a dangerous system having only one party in control like that since it sets it up for them to strip away all rights when a "crisis' occurs.
thegoodlocust 1 year ago
@thegoodlocust
yeah well.. just to tick u off a little bit more, did u know that a one man assembly is illegal?
lol, cheers.
Ristar85 1 year ago
It's not uniquely singapore now it's your Singapore
Damn fail -0-
strawberryylurve 1 year ago
wtf... comparing Singapore to North Korea?
Ditrix88 1 year ago
@Ditrix88 I was not, I just made the same argument for it as it fits everywhere.
595o 1 year ago
ahaha this is hilarious
lilyenc 1 year ago
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Not surprised at all. It's Singapore.
MeowBlep 1 year ago
No hunger. No revolution.
pokemonyu 1 year ago
HAHAHA!! THIS IS GREAT! CAN LKY SUE THEM??
stephenshwmac 1 year ago
this is retarded, singapore is a great conuntry. and has a great government, even though we have strict laws for almost everything. at least it is a safe ans livable country. though times may be bad, doesnt mean we should blame the government about it. its the citizens with the government that creates a country. work together.
jaycedropsup 1 year ago
@jaycedropsup
saying things are "retarded" followed by a whole bunch of empty rhetoric does not make the facts any less true.
what "times are bad" nonsense? this is so typical of a retarded 2 bit PAP supporter. this vid is about a man who got into jail just for the act of speaking in public.
there is a retard, but it isnt the NMA.
Ristar85 1 year ago
@jaycedropsup I totally agree, just because Singapore has a one party government doesn't change the fact that the country has low crime rate, jobs for everyone and it's a peaceful country, and why is that, because of the "despotic" government
miyavizim 1 year ago
@miyavizim I totally disagree, just because Singapore has a low crime rate, jobs for everyone and it's a peaceful country doesn't change the fact that it has a one-party government.
595o 1 year ago
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@jaycedropsup this is retarded, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a great conuntry. and has a great government, even though we have strict laws for almost everything. at least it is a safe and livable country. though times may be bad, doesnt mean we should blame the government about it. its the citizens with the government that creates a country. work together.
595o 1 year ago
@595o I wasn't replying to your comment... in fact I made mine earlier than yours. But I see what you did there, you make a good point. It shows how there is no gold standard in governance.
Ditrix88 1 year ago
Glad that others can see what is really happening in Sg
TheIronmantstark 1 year ago
0:58 I swear you've used that room many times in your animations.
AngusT07171 1 year ago
@emptyangel: Can you name anything Chee Soon Juan has done that morally justifies him being put in jail? Remember, freedom of speech and assembly are defined by the UN as human rights.
yishkabob 1 year ago 24
LoL guess Singapore it due for a revolution themselves.
ahpek26 1 year ago
HAHAHA... singapore! Always says Gov of Malaysia is hypocrite... but in reality they are the same. When a monkey says others a monkey, the monkey is worse.
phoenixdar 1 year ago
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phoenixdar 1 year ago
I did not realize it was like that in Singapore,....
kenonifty 1 year ago
Are the people at NMA aware of the kind of person Chee Soon Juan is?
emptyangel 1 year ago
@emptyangel I am not aware, can you please elaborate?
88552 1 year ago
lol Douche Liar
TheSkYnEtProject 1 year ago 13
@TheSkYnEtProject Really? Then why did they arrest that Wikileaks guy? Oh I forget, is for a sexual offence!!!
eEconomist2002 1 year ago
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Ristar85 1 year ago
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@eEconomist2002
lol, u DO realise that that he's just repeating whatever was written in the vid, right?
btw, this vid is about Singapore, not the USA, or anywhere else. what has it got to do with "that Wikileaks guy"?
Ristar85 1 year ago
@eEconomist2002 hahas, flaunting your stupidity everywhere. low priority replies? lols, it seems that the only person you have been replying to is me, really no life sia you, worse than me. hahas
111E982a 1 year ago
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minnenancy 1 year ago