@Matt55481 My point was that you shouldn't assume that we can not understand what we are saying. We learn Quran and we learn Arabic. Its a process, just like any other language.
Now I do agree with one thing you mentioned, just relying on English translation of the meaning is not good, and that does apply to many people but not us. We understand the importance of learning Arabic so that we can understand the Quran as it should be. So we learn as we can...
@gatekeeperoflight I don't know if I want to laugh at your comment or cry... it's lame. You should know that yeshu is not the messiah, all Israel -the REAL, and not a fake "spiritual Israel"- knows it... so why you, christian missionary, just don't stop with it... 'Cause it wouldn't be any problem if you just were sincere promoting christianity just as it really is without any disguise, but you, presenting christianity as judaism, which it isn't, you are doing something really bad.
when u recite Fatihah as reciting it for the Surah purpose and not for a dua' purpose u can not say "amin" after Fatihah..if ur saying it only as a dua' and not for recitation yes than u can. As when u read the Qur'an u would see after Fatihah there is no "amin"
@fsacoor God is a Zionist. The Lord has chosen Zion for His place of dwelling; Psalm 132:13. Mecca belongs to the pagan god Hubal, renamed "Allah" by Muhammed.
@evo55 ELAH is Aramaic, "god." Elah appears in the Hebrew Bible in Jer. 10:11 (which is in Aramaic, and is plural, "gods"). In Daniel (the Aramaic sections) Elah is used both of pagan gods, and of the true God, also plural. Elah is equivalent to the Hebrew Eloah which some think is dual; Elohim is three or more. The gods of the nations are called "elohim."
@fsacoor Elah is only a generic term for God or any god. The proper name for the God of Israel is YHWH. In place of YHWH, the Jews used the word, "Adonai" which means, Lord. That is what is used in Psalm 132:13. The word Elohim is used in Genesis 1, such as when Elohim says, "Let us make man in our image." The word "Elohim" alludes to God, the Holy Trinity.
@fsacoor I'm not as brilliant as the apostle, Paul. He was the true messenger of God rather than Muhammed. Paul was an educated man who studied the Bible, and also an Israelite which qualifies him as a prophet of God in the line of Abraham. Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. He was also a pagan Ishmaelite who rejected the truth of Christ but instead invented his own religion based on his own ignorant conjectures.
@christianjihadi Paul was before Muhammad so when Muhammad came no one is to say that Paul was a Messenger over Muhammad since Paul was during Jesus' (as) time..all becuz u say he qualifies as a prophet of God doesn't make him one..Yes u can have really educated ppl but that doesn't make them prophets. Muhammad already knew the Bible better than the 12 apostels. No proof that he was ignorant. A pagan is a person who worships others besides God which Muhammad never did
@ayasalman Paul was accepted by all of Jesus' disciples as an apostle of God. They approved Paul's message was from God and appointed Paul to preach the gospel to the gentiles. If Jesus' 12 apostles approved of Paul, we must also accept Paul and his teachings. Jesus tells us that we must accept their word for He speaks through them.
@christianjihadi all because disiples may of accepted him doesn't make him a prophet..Only God can pick who be's the Prophet. Only God can appoint a Prophet not ppl. God doesn't speak through the disiples nor paul LOL
@ayasalman Jesus gave divine authority to His apostles to speak in His name and approve Paul. The apostolic Church must approve the messengers of God. The apostolic Church never approved of Muhammed but considers him an enemy of Christ.
@christianjihadi Jesus never gave divine authority to his companions. Nor did he ever approve Paul LOL. Well than the church doesnt know jesus at all nor God talk to TheGenuineChristian from youtube about what ur tyring to say to me
@ayasalman It is written in the Gospel that Jesus gave divine authority to His apostles. Christians must judge by what is written in the Gospel, as even the Quran (Surah 5:46,47) tells us to. The Church does know Jesus for it has been given the Holy Spirit who reveals Jesus to us. The Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to be the divine Son of God who is One with Allah, al-Ab.
@christianjihadi apparently u haven't read the entire verses before nor after it. Jesus was never the son of God for God has no children for it is He who is to be worshiped ALONE without any partners. If u worship more than 1 God than ur not a Chrsitian. There is no such thing as (1 with Allah) 1+1=2 not 1
@ayasalman Muhammed was ignorant of the mysteries of God, he never studied the Torah. He did not know that God is One in Three. In Genesis 2:24, it is written a man and his wife shall become "one" flesh. The Hebrew word for "one" is "echod" it can include more than one person in a single entity. In Genesis 18, Allah, the Holy Trinity appeared to Abraham in the form of three men. The Torah confirms the truth of the Christian faith. We must judge by what Allah has revealed in the Torah and Gospel.
@christianjihadi God revealed what He wanted to reveal about Himself. But no Muhammad was not ignorant of the mysteries of God. He knew the torah he didnt need to study it. He knew the Psalms as well. Exactly God is NOT one in three cuz there is no such thing..1+1+1=3 not 1 (God) so u have three gods and we Muslims the True Believers have ONE GOD whome there is no other gods besides Him and there are no partners and no children. In the Bible it mentions ONE GOD not THREE GODS
@ayasalman Muhammed was ignorant of the Torah. He mistakenly believed it to be one book when in fact, it is five books. The Torah reveals that the one God exists in Three persons. This is why Allah appeared to Abraham in the form of three men (Genesis 18). Allah, he Holy Trinity is not three gods but One God in three persons.
@christianjihadi ur making me yawn by what u keep saying about Muhammad being ignorant of everythign cuz u cant prove ur point. The Torah was revealed in ONE Book same with the Gospel and the Qur'an. But it was men who changed and made more than one book of the torah and gospel. The Torah does not talk about God being three as in the torah and bible says many times that GOD IS ONE without anything. the three men theory is crappy. and unreliable that dont even make sense trinity is 3 gods
@ayasalman The Torah was revealed in five books. It is the same book that existed in the time of Jesus and the time of Muhammed. The Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient Bible texts prove this to be so. Jesus & Muhammed never said the Torah was changed. They both affirm the Torah as the uncorrupted word of God. The Torah teaches that God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men(Genesis 18), thus afirming Allah is Three in One. Allah, the Holy Trinity is a divine mystery hidden in the Torah.
@christianjihadi Five books or not the Torah is still ONE Book. There is not 5 different holy books for the Jews. Ofcourse the Torah would exist in the time of Jesus (pbuh) becuz it came in the time of Moses (pbuh). The Original Holy Books (torah and gospel) the Ones that came to Moses and jesus (pbut) are not changed cuz they were revealed by God..but since the Originals where lost or disappeared (proven by both Jewish and christian scholars also) man had to try to remember what the books said
@ayasalman The evidence found with the Dead Sea Scrolls proves that the Torah was never lost but is the same Torah that existed in the time of Jesus. Your ignorance of the evidence is keeping you trapped in the lies. Love God, love the truth, leave Islam.
@christianjihadi You guys cant even find ALL the Dead Sea Scrolls..u only have partial of it. So ur case is blown out of the waters. I said the Gospel is lost i never said the Torah was..I said the Holy books Torah and Gospel were corrupted after being rewritten so many times,etc. and never memorized the True Words of God and the prophets'. This proved u never read my comment. so ur the ignorant one. U got trapped in ur lies. I do love God and the Truth that is why I am WITH ISLAM.
@ayasalman The Dead Sea Scrolls contain the Jewish Bible. There is enough evidence in this to prove Muhammed to be a false prophet and Islam a corrupt religion. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the Jewish (Christian Old Testament) Bible has the same message as in the time of Jesus. Jesus never said the Bible was corrupted. He quotes from it and tells Jews to study it, as does Muhammed in Surah 3:93. You don't the history of the Bible or your own Quran. I must teach it to you.
@christianjihadi the point is You dont have All the Dead Sea Scrolls u only have some. There is no evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls to prove anything about Muhammad being a false prophet and islam is corrupt..why are u lying..did u forget the 10 commandments? If anything it tells of a coming Messenger after Jesus (pbuh). Ofcourse Jesus (pbuh) wouldn't say the bible was corrupted cuz it never got a chance to get corrupted..it got corrupted after he left.
@ayasalman How do you know we don't have all the Dead Sea Scrolls? What matters is that we have all the Jewish Bible that proves that the books of Old Testament Christian Bible have not been corrupted. These books prove that Muhammed is an impostor and false prophet. The Ten Commandments don't speak about Muhammed. You misunderstand the message of the Bible like your prophet before you. Even so, Muhammed did not believe the written text of the Bible was corrupted, as Surah 3:93; 5:46,47 proves.
@christianjihadi How do i know u dont have all the dead sea scrolls? well let me see..even the jewish and christians scholars especially those who have the dead sea scrolls say it..they say they dont have all of them. If u dont trust them (as a christian urself) than who do u trust? The Torah of today is corrupted same with the bible..the jews did not want to follow Moses and decided to worship a calf. You dont have to original torah that was revealed...im not explaing the torah issue to u too
@ayasalman What is the name of the scholars who say we don't have all the Dead Sea Scrolls? The evidence shows we have all the books of the Jewish Bible, except for the Book of Esther in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Books of the first century Jewish Bible are identical to the books in the modern Jewish/Christian Bible. This is the same Jewish Bible that existed in the time of Jesus. He never said the Bible was corrupted but tells Jews to study the Bible, the same that Muhammed says in Surah 3:93.
@evo55 EVERY SCHOLAR...only u ignorant stupid ppl believe u have them all cuz u want something to believe in. First century or not there wasn't a bible in Jesus' time. It was written AFTERWARDS. Hundreds of years afterwards..and the torah hundreds of years before. and no the books are not identicle..i seen it with my own eyes.
@ayasalman All the books of the Jewish Bible existed in the time of Jesus. He quoted from these books and told the Jews to study their scriptures. You are blind and ignorant if you cannot see that the books of the Jewish Bible are the same books in the Christian Bible. The Dead Sea Scolls and other ancient Bibles prove the Bible has not been corrupted. It is the same Bible that existed in the time of Jesus and the time of Muhammed. The Quran states that the Christians have the true scriptures.
@evo55 Its the Torah not "jewish bible" im not saying that it didnt exist in the time of Jesus...yes the corrupted version of the torah existed in the time of Jesus (peace be upon him). The Gospel and the Torah are two different Holy Books..u guys just combinded them centuries later after jesus left. the Dead sea scrolsl and the "ancient bible which is corrupted" doesnt prove the bible has not been corrupted. there was no bible in the time of Jesus. No it says the Christians have the scriptures
@ayasalman There was no corrupted version of the Torah that existed in the time of Jesus. He quoted from the Torah and told Jews to study it. He never said that there was a corrupted version of the Torah that Jews must avoid. Of course, the Torah and Gospel are different books written at different times in history but both were inspired by God. The Torah is included in the Christian Bible because the Christian faith comes from Judaism. It is a continuing revelation from the same God of Abraham.
@evo55 how can jews avoid it if they are the ones who corrupted it? lol jews are known to be liars and cheaters,etc. and decievers they know how to be sly and cunning. just like satan. And God sent down the Qur'an same with the Torah and Gospel. If ur christain faith comes from judaism than why are u not jews?
@ayasalman The Torah, Psalms, Wisdom books and writings of the Prophets are part of the Jewish Bible. All these books existed in the time of Jesus. They were the scriptures read and studied by the first Christians who were all Jewish, they then added the Gospel and other Christian writings as part of their Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient texts prove that the message of the Bible has not been changed. Love God. love the Truth. Islam is keeping you ignorant and far from God.
@evo55 The Torah and Pslams are two different Holy Books. Pslams was sent to david and torah was sent to moses. i never said the books never existed..i just said the versions after the Prophets died or left got corrupted by the ppl. Dead Sea scrolls doesnt prove anything. I do love God and the Truth. Islam is keeping me sane and truthful and close to God..closest i have ever been.
@ayasalman There is no evidence that the Torah or Psalms were corrupted. Jesus quotes from the Torah and Psalms. He never said these books were corrupted, neither in the Gospel or the Quran does he say this. Muhammed never said the Torah or Psalms were corrupted. He only accused a party of Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures. There is no evidence the Torah or Psalms were changed after the time of Muhammed. They are the same scriptures in modern Bibles.
@evo55 yes there are many and tons of evidences that the torah and gospel where corrupted. cuz jesus never spoke in the bible for he wasnt there when the bible was written. im not going around in circles with u..have a nice day im done with u..ur soo ignorant
@ayasalman Where is the evidence that the message of the Jewish scriptures was changed? All the books of the Jewish Bible existed in the time of Jesus. The message of the Gospel existed in the time of Jesus but had not yet been written down as the Gospel of the New Testament. Love God, love the Truth and hate Islam. Islam is keeping you ignorant and far from God.
@evo55 the original books was not there at the time of jesus but yes the corrupted torah was there..same with teh corrupted gospel after jesus. Yes it was written down hundreds of years after Jesus. I do love God, I do love the Truth and I do love ISLAM. Islam is keeping me knowledgable and near God...i can't list all 101 contradictions in the bible but ill list a few here u can read the rest at google and type in 101 Clear contradictions in the Bible
@ayasalman You are indeed an ignorant and proud person who refuses to accept the facts. It's no wonder you are fooled by Islam, since you have no love for God or the Truth. Learn the facts of the history of the Bible. Even an atheist scholar will tell you that the Torah and other Jewish scriptures that existed in the time of Jesus are the same books that are in modern day Bibles. Your own prophet tells you to believe all the previous scriptures. Those are the same scriptures in modern Bibles.
@evo55 No im not ignorant nor proud..im just a knowledgable person stating the facts about the bible,etc. Its u that is refusing to accept the facts even when proof is thrown in front of u. its no wonder u r fooled by Christianity, since u have no love for God (u worship 3 instead of 1) or the Truth. Learn the facts of the history of the Qur'an AND bible AND torah before u open ur mouth next time about them. atheist wouldnt say that cuz they would say they are nto true books
@evo55 i have proven u wrong..dont mix the facts...ur saying "historical evdience proves im wrong" no it doesnt..i just proved from the Book itself and evidence that ur wrong...if u look at the 13th century bible and compare it to the 21st century bible u would see its nto the same.if its the same it would be same word for word with no differences,etc.
@ayasalman The 13th century Bible teaches that Jesus is the son of of God. It teaches that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. The 13th century Bible proves Muhammed to be a false prophet and Islam a corrupt religion.
@evo55 apparently u haven't read the 13th century bible cuz it doesnt say that..nor does it prove Muhammad to be a false prophet or islam a corrupt religion.
@evo55 Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1).....God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine? (a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13) (b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12).....Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey? (a) Yes(Mark6:8) (b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3).....and many many more..i am unable to post website so go to google and type in 101 Clear Contradictions in bible
@ayasalman You are straigning at gnats but missing the essential message of the Bible that has been preserved. It is the essentail message of the Bible that you should believe, not the non-essential minutiae. God puts those stumbling stones in the path of the unbelievers, so they will stumble and be caught in their pride.
@evo55 im not missing any message of the Bible. You had no bible to preserve according to ur scholars the bible was lost so it had to be rewritten..which none till today has ever memorized the ENTIRE bible unlike with the Qur'an u have thousands of memorizers of the qur'an which u know the qur'an can never be distorted,etc.
@christianjihadi The bible has many verses like 5:33 and with 5:33 u dont understand..and if u understood u would agree ANYBODY who goes against God and His Messenger(s) even after the message has been brought to them and they still dont believe and the unbelievers..the enemies of God and his Messenger(s) are to be killed IF they bring war upon you..meaning they make war first...here i will list some stuff from the Bible that proves there is killing in it,etc.
@ayasalman God never commanded the Jews to use crucifixion as a form of punishment. Crucifying criminals is a pagan practice. Muhammed proves he is a pagan by saying God approves of crucifixion.
@christianjihadi Deuteronomy 17:12, Exodus 22:17, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, Exodus 21:15, Proverbs 20:20, Leviticus 20:9, Leviticus 20:10, Leviticus 21:9, Exodus 22:19, "kill all non believers" 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, Deuteronomy 13:13-19, Deuteronomy 22:20-21, Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5, Leviticus 24:10-16 I think I have proven enough that there are verses like surah 5:33 but WORSE in the Bible..and there is many many more.
@christianjihadi Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Deuteronomy 18:20-22, "infidels and gays should die" Romans 1:24-32, Numbers 1:48-51, Exodus 31:12-15. Now I will mention God's Murders for stupid reasons in the Bible: 2 Kings 2:23-24, 1Samuel 6:19-20, 1 Kings 20:35-36, "killing the good samaritan" 2 Samuel 6:3-7. Now here are verses about murdering children in the Bible: Isaiah 14:21, Hosea 9:11-16, Ezekiel 9:5-7, Exodus 12:29-30, Jeremiah 51:20-26, Leviticus 26:21-22, "rape and baby killing"Isaiah 13:15-18
@christianjihadi then its for who to obey? If u say jews than i still proved u wrong by ur statement: "...God would never suggest such cruel things of Jews or Christians."..if its not for christians to obey why u have it part of ur bible..according to u u guys follow the OT also that is why its part of ur bible.
@ayasalman The Old Testament is read as a history of God's revelation to man and also as a spiritual allegory. Each book of the Old Testament must be read and understood in it's historical context.
@ayasalman Christians are to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit speaks to us through the Church and the Bible. The Torah is only a small part of the Bible. It is not the full revelation of God. The fullness of the Truth is only found in the Catholic Christian faith.
@evo55 i read old testment and i don,t understand these verses,can you plzz explain the Ezeikel 23:19-20--- Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.(NIV) you tell me weather you blieve holy God speaks unholy words.read more,learn more and reject more verses in the bible and accept islam as a religion
@MrAntitrinity Quran 5:33 and 9:30 are unholy and blasphemous verses which could never come from a true prophet of God. Ezekiel was a true prophet of God who used lurid language to describe in allegory the sins of Israel and Judah. Muhammed never understood the allegorical uses of God's prophets. It's the reason he ignorantly condemns those who say, Christ is the son of God.
@ayasalman Peter didn't kill two people. It was the Holy Spirit who struck them down for thier insolence. The other verses are from the Old Testament and don't apply for today's belieevrs.
@christianjihadi Read the verse..it PROVE peter killed two ppl..u cant deny ur own verses. Than what verses does apply to believers? if u look it'll be nothing..so u just have a piece of paper to read for ur entertainment and not to follow.
@ayasalman Peter did not kill them. The Spirit of God killed the people through the word spoken by Peter. They lied to Peter and were stuck down by God's judgement.
@ayasalman I have read the book of Acts in the Bible. Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to speak the words that killed the deceivers. Peter spoke the word from God that condemned those who thought they could lie to God.
@christianjihadi Question, you said you do not follow the old testament yet you are quoting it. if it is only a Historical book then I can ignore everything in it, even all the references to prophecy that people claim are for the Messiah.
@sirataalmustaqeem I do accept the Old Testament as being inspired by God for it reveals Christ to be the Messiah and the divine son of God, who is one God with the Father.
The LORD said: Numbers [23:19] God IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
@sirataalmustaqeem Numbers 23:19 is comparing God to sinful humans. Jesus did not lie nor change his mind like sinful humans often do. He was not a typical man but the divine son of God, who does not lie or change his mind.
@evo55 Actually I see no evidence of this. I read the entire chapter. It is a simple comparison.
God is NOT A MAN, nor is he the SON OF MAN. Do not compare God to anyone who is human because ALL humans are capable of lying and prone to sin. They can change their mind.
As for Gods messengers they are protected from sin by God, this does not make them God.
@ayasalman I wouldn't spend to much time. Crusaders generally don't even read what we post, and if they do they ignore most of it as they are not interested in Islam. They want to win arguments.
First rule of Dawah, share the message. Do not convince anyone of anything. It is up to them to seek knowledge.
@sirataalmustaqeem Muslims don't seek knowledge but remain in ignorance of the Truth. They do not love God with all their mind, soul and strength. They are not true believers but false.
@sirataalmustaqeem i know, its just i wouldn't know how to end it properly without them thinking that they defeated the Muslim(s) or won the argument.
@christianjihadi apparently no truth is comeing from chrsitianity since they kept fighting each other for centuries since christianity began. No lies are in Islam but only Truth.
@ayasalman Muslims have been fighting and killing one another since soon after Muhammed died. The Sunni Shia divide exists since that time and continues today with Shia and Sunnis bombing each other's mosques and holy sites. The Syrian president, Assad is an Alawite Muslim. He is killing the Sunnis and Shias of his country. Muslims should learn from Christians. Christians live in peace, we don't kill one another over religion.
@christianjihadi there is killing one another in EVERY religion. You have the catholics and prodosents who still kill each other today. Christians never live in peace they are killers.
@ayasalman I've nvere heard of Catholics bombing Protestant churches or Protestants bombing Catholic churches. The only news is of Sunnis bombing Shia mosques and Sufi shrines or Christian churches.
@christianjihadi apparently u dont read the news do u? there is a long history between the catholics and protestants long back before they had "bombs" they go and set fire to each others churches, etc.
@sirataalmustaqeem You may have read, Numbers 23 but without fully understanding the story. The story has to do with an evil king who was bribing a prophet of God to curse the Israelites. The prophet told the king that he cannot do such a thing for God will not let him curse the Israelites, for God has blessed them. The comparison then is between God and the evil king who is a sinful man. Jesus was not a sinful man but without sin. He is the divine son of God who is One with the Father.
@evo55 I totally understand the story. I was a Christian most of my life. You interpret it to support you belief but I see no reference that excuses the Son of Man (Jesus) from the statement that he is not God.
The term son of man is used 50+ times in the new testament and almost always refers to Jesus (peace be upon him)
See what you want to see, I see it different. You interpretation is no more valid than A Jehovah's witness, a Catholic, or a Mormon. continued
@sirataalmustaqeem You may have been a Christian but never studied the Bible. It's the reason some Christians get fooled into Islam or other false religions. Jesus is both son of Man and son of God. He is human & divine. Those two terms are used in the Bible to refer to Jesus. Love God with all your mind and study the Bible is what Jesus tells us to do. You don't see, your ignorance of the Bible has blinded you to the truth. The Jehova's Witness, Catholics and Mormons will agree with me.
@sirataalmustaqeem There is no confusion. All versions of the Bible agree that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that He rose from the dead. That is the esential message of the Bible that all true believers must accept..
@ayasalman Muhammed did not believe there were tons of contradictions and corruptions in the Bible. He tells Jews to study the Torah (Surah 3:93) and Christians to judge by the Torah and Gospel (Surah 5:46,47). There is no evidence the Bible was changed after the time of Muhammed. He believed the Jews and Christians have the true scriptures (Surah 5:66,68). To say the written text of the Bible has been corrupted is to contradict your own prophet.
@evo55 yes Muhammad and even God says there were corruptions/contradictions in the bible..and i can prove to u many. Yes jews study the torah cuz their book is the torah..christians study the bible cuz ur book is the gospel. I really dont think u understand what it is meant in surah 5:66,68. The Propeht Muhammad never said that the bible is unchanged.
@ayasalman The Jews not only have the Torah but also the Psalms, Wisdom books and Prophets. Muhammed only mentions the Torah and Psalms (Zabur). If God sent the Quran, He would not fail to mention the other books of the Jewish Bible.
@evo55 the Holy Books that GOD sent down was the Pslams, Torah, Gospel, and Qur'an...no other book..whatever "books" are "within the books" like "matthew, john,etc. in the bible" and the "books" within the torah..point is the HOLY BOOKS are called Pslams, Torah, Gospel, Qur'an. Pslams and Torah are two different Holy Books they are not 1 book..but like u said u have the OT (torah) inside ur NT (bible)..so the torah did the same with the pslams probably
@ayasalman God sent down more than just the Torah, Psalms & Gospel. God sent books like Proverbs & Ecclesiaistes that were given to Solomon. He sent down the book of Samuel, and the book of Isaiah which propheseis the suffering and death of Christ. Yet, Muhammd fails to mention these other important prophets and books. Clearly, the Quran was not sent from God. The Quran was supposed to be sent to fill in the details but does not. The Quran leaves out much important information from the Prophets.
@evo55 God ONLY sent down the Torah, Pslams, Gospel and Qur'an..those are His Only Books. Proverbs &ecclesiaistes are just "chapters" in the Books they are not Holy Books from God..like for example u may say "book of mark" in the bible but in reality its a "chapter" in the bible called "Mark". (example here). But the main "BOOK" is called the Bible (Gospel) out of mathew, john,etc. samuel and isaiah are chapters within the Holy Book(s). Stop saying Muhammad failed to mention cuz it was GOD
@ayasalman You don't know what you are saying. Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are not just chapters in books. These are books with their own chapters. They are books written by king, Solomon, the son of David. There is much widom in these books that you can benefit from.
@evo55 i know EXACTLY what i am saying. You just proved my point that they are chapters in the books, end of discussion. They are not Holy Books from GOD. Well thats another thing it was written by man it was not from God.
@evo55 Gods words are the Qur'an..Clearly u dont understand the Qur'an so dont assume its not from God..I can say the corrupted versions of the torah and bible are nto from God. You dont even understand the metaphors of God. The qur'an leaves out NOTHING. The Qur'an is for THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND.
@ayasalman You can say the say what you want about the Bible being corrupted but that does not make it true. It only proves your ignorance of the Bible. The Quran leaves out the most important message of the Bible. It leaves out the true message of Christ which is the "good news" of the kingdom of God. The Quran mentions an Injil but without any meaning or understanding of it's true origin in Greek.
@evo55 if GOD says the Books have been changed or distorted than they have been, plus no book matches with each other 100% thats another thing. It doesn't prove any ignorance from me. The Qur'an leaves out no important stuff. The TRUE Message of Jesus was to worship the One Creator the One God, the One Lord above the heavens and the earth. The Injil is arabic for the Gospel. Injil does not come from greek
@ayasalman The true message of Jesus was the "good news" of the kingdom of God. The word "gospel" means "good news" in Old English and "evangelion" is Greek. Injil is a corruption of the Greek "evangelion". The true message of Jesus in Arabic is al-bishara and not Injil.
@evo55 LOL LOL LOL....U understand the QUR'AN better than ME? I doubt that..ur an ignorant Christian who don't know my Book let alone ur own. Verse 66 proves the Christians and jews DID NOT study or observe their own Books.If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct...verse 66
@ayasalman Muhammed only condemns the Jews and Christians of not obeying their own books, he does not say that their books are corrupted. Muhammed believed they had the true scriptures from God (Quran 5:66,68).
@evo55 God condemns the Jews and Christians for not obeying/observing/studying their own Books..doesn't that prove anythign to u? u guys dont even care abotu ur own books. no where in those verses does it say "true scriptures from God"
@ayasalman Muhammed accused the Christians and Jews of not caring for their own books by not obeying them. He tells them to study their books for they are sent as a guidance from their Lord. Muhammed did not believe the Jewish/Christians scriptures were corrupted, for in them is guidance from God. The evidence shows that these are the same books that are in modern Bibles.
@evo55 u mean GOD accused the Christians and Jews..God spoke in the verse not Muhammad. yes God tells them to study their books that were sent as a guidance form their Lord by they shall not. Muhammad also believed the scriptures where corrupted. so did God.
@ayasalman If God tells the Jews and Christians to study their books, then God is not saying the Bible is corrupted. The Bible is a true guidance form God.
@evo55 it was talking about studying their books before they thought about changing them. but they decided not to study and changed them. bible is not true guidance from god as i proven to u with many verses of the bible that contradicts each other,etc.
@ayasalman Jews and Christians have never thought about changing their scriptures. There is no evidence that they have. The essentiall message of the Bible has been preserved in all versions of the Bible. The message of the Bible proves Islam is a false and corrupt religion.
@evo55 Verse 68 talks to the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) says that they have no guidance until they study or observe their Books "Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk. " Verse 68
@ayasalman In Quran 5:68, Muhammed says to Christians and Jews to obey their scriptures for they are from God. Clearly, Muhammed believed the Jews and Christians had the true scriptures. There is no evidence that the Jewish/Christian scriptures were changed after this time. The scriptures read by Jews and Christians in the time of Muhammed are the same scriptures read today.
@evo55 I just posted what Qur'an 5:68 says it says OBSERVE in otherwords "study"..God is speaking not Muhammad. No where in the verse does it say "true scriptures" we never denied that the Pslams, Torah or Gospel are God's Holy Books but was it said is that after God revealed them to man, man than changed the word of God. I already proved to u many contradictions in the Bible. Yes the corrupted versions are being read today as it was during Muhammad's time.
@ayasalman Nowhere does the Quran accuse all Christians and Jews of corrupting their scriptures. The Quran only accuses of a party of Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures and saying "these are from God".
@evo55 "Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings" (4:46); "So woe to those who write the Book with their hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' that they may sell it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings" (2:79);"Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You put it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much" (6:91)..conti...
@ayasalman Jews pervert the meaning of their scriptures with their tongues by misreading the true text of their Bible (4:46). Some Medinan Jews have written other scriptures (2:75-79). The Jews don't teach all their scriptures, they show only some but hide most of it (6:91). These verses only prove that the Jews are not teaching what is in their scriptures. It does not say the Jewish scriptures themselves have been changed. It accuses some Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures.but not all.
@evo55 (qur'an 4:46)"Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one cannot be made hear not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few." it says CHANGE WORDS. not MISREAD.
@ayasalman Surah 4 is also written in Medina and refers to Medinan Jews only. Muhammed misunderstood their Hebrew language. In Hebrew "we believe and obey" sounds like "we believe and disobey" in Arabic. Muhammed cursed the Jews because they would not accept him as their prophet. But God is not like the sinful man Muhammed. God has not cursed the Jews for rejecting Muhammed. The Jews are correct to reject Muhammed for he is not an Israelite prophet. The Torah forbids Jews from accepting Mhmd.
@evo55 where does it say it refers to Medinan Jews ONLY? U want to know why GOD cursed the Jews? becuz the JEWS are the ones that killed majority of the prophets of God that were sent to them and still refused to believe in the Message.
@christianjihadi in Surah 2 it may of been REVEALED in Madinah but that doesn't mean they are talking about only madinah jews..where in the verse does it say Only Madinah Jews ?
@christianjihadi 2:75 is just one out of many of the verses proven the change in the Holy Book. Even if a party of Jews changed it no matter what city..how do u know that they weren't known as the "powerful" or the "ones that has the power to make changes" to anything? with all their money,etc. they can change the words of God. And its proven there that they added to the original Holy Book..their book isnt different from the holy book its all the same its just they added so everybody has that
@ayasalman The Dead Sea Scrolls are historical proof that the Jews have not changed their books. They are the same books as in the time of Jesus. Jesus never accused the Jews of changing their books. He never says so in the Gospel or the Quran.
@evo55 it said Jews not "median" jews..either way they still changed it so what makes u think ti didnt get to today? they chagned teh word of god..not that they wrote other scriptures besides their own. it proved if u know how to read that they changed their holy book. it does not say "jews in medina" it says "jews"
@ayasalman Surah 2 is a Medinan Surah written in Medina. Surah 2:75 speaks of a party of Jews in Medina who pervert their scriptures and write other scriptures. This is not saying all the Jews and Christians in the world have done the same to their scriptures, but only a party of Jews in Medina.
@ayasalman The Jewish scriptures consist of more than the Torah. The Torah is only the first five books of the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible. The Jewish Bible has the Historical books, Psalms (Zabur), Widsom Writings and Prophetic Writings. These are also included in the Christian Bible.
@christianjihadi There is only One Torah..there may be chapters/books (as u call them) inside the Holy Book called the Torah..but there is only One Torah. Pslams is a separate holy book that was revealed to david.
Don't let the haters upset you, wonderfull video's. May you be rewarded for your efforts!
RachidNYSE 2 months ago in playlist TSP: Quran Recitations
@RachidNYSE ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 2 months ago
Masha' Allah, May Allah bless you and your family
Heythumb88 2 months ago
@Heythumb88 ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 2 months ago
@Matt55481 My point was that you shouldn't assume that we can not understand what we are saying. We learn Quran and we learn Arabic. Its a process, just like any other language.
Now I do agree with one thing you mentioned, just relying on English translation of the meaning is not good, and that does apply to many people but not us. We understand the importance of learning Arabic so that we can understand the Quran as it should be. So we learn as we can...
sirataalmustaqeem 2 months ago
@Matt55481 Assumption is "He's white so he can't understand Arabic".. hmmm
sirataalmustaqeem 2 months ago
1.1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
1:3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
1:4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
1:5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
1:6 Show us the straight way,
1:7 The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.
TheIslamicSurahs 4 months ago
Indoctrination of children is wrong. Cute kid. I sense troubles ahead for him.
EllyMcCormack 5 months ago
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gatekeeperoflight 5 months ago
@gatekeeperoflight Wtf are you talking about? lol Break out of your fevered trance for a moment and enjoy sobriety, ya freak!
EllyMcCormack 5 months ago
@gatekeeperoflight I don't know if I want to laugh at your comment or cry... it's lame. You should know that yeshu is not the messiah, all Israel -the REAL, and not a fake "spiritual Israel"- knows it... so why you, christian missionary, just don't stop with it... 'Cause it wouldn't be any problem if you just were sincere promoting christianity just as it really is without any disguise, but you, presenting christianity as judaism, which it isn't, you are doing something really bad.
Alex7BR 4 months ago
someone please hide this comment post, or even ban, for further safety measurement
detconanbleach2 9 months ago
when u recite Fatihah as reciting it for the Surah purpose and not for a dua' purpose u can not say "amin" after Fatihah..if ur saying it only as a dua' and not for recitation yes than u can. As when u read the Qur'an u would see after Fatihah there is no "amin"
ayasalman 9 months ago in playlist TSP: Quran Recitations
@ayasalman Good point, jazaki Allahu khair
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
Mashallah, his recitation and pronunciation is beautiful to hear :) may Allah reward him in dunya and akhira
p.s. He Has A Sweet Voice
06alamm 1 year ago
@06alamm ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
Mashallah, his recitation and pronunciation is beautiful to hear :) may Allah reward him donia and a5era <3
JallieNarz 1 year ago
@JallieNarz ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Ma sha Allaah, God bess you.
lalzm1 1 year ago
@lalzm1 ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Maschallah
wazsupyall 1 year ago
May Allah give you long life and guidance
mrakq4m 1 year ago
@mrakq4m ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Maashaa'Allaah...jazaakum'Allaahu khyrn
LookingForJannah 1 year ago
@LookingForJannah wa iyakum
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Good job Nathan, May ALLAH bless & protect you, and your Parents,
mashallah your recitation is very good
bounmed 1 year ago
@bounmed Ameen.
May Allah protect you and your family and accept your deeds. Ameen.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago 3
@bounmed Islam is cursed by God and a curse on humanity.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 <--Zionist Toll Alert
fsacoor 1 year ago
@fsacoor God is a Zionist. The Lord has chosen Zion for His place of dwelling; Psalm 132:13. Mecca belongs to the pagan god Hubal, renamed "Allah" by Muhammed.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 ELAH is Aramaic, "god." Elah appears in the Hebrew Bible in Jer. 10:11 (which is in Aramaic, and is plural, "gods"). In Daniel (the Aramaic sections) Elah is used both of pagan gods, and of the true God, also plural. Elah is equivalent to the Hebrew Eloah which some think is dual; Elohim is three or more. The gods of the nations are called "elohim."
The Names of God
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fsacoor 1 year ago
@fsacoor Elah is only a generic term for God or any god. The proper name for the God of Israel is YHWH. In place of YHWH, the Jews used the word, "Adonai" which means, Lord. That is what is used in Psalm 132:13. The word Elohim is used in Genesis 1, such as when Elohim says, "Let us make man in our image." The word "Elohim" alludes to God, the Holy Trinity.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 <----Zionist Troll Alert
Delete and move on
fsacoor 1 year ago
@fsacoor Muslims must delete when they realize there is no rational defense for Islam.
christianjihadi 1 year ago
@christianjihadi good one..go with that..u brilliant
fsacoor 1 year ago
@fsacoor I'm not as brilliant as the apostle, Paul. He was the true messenger of God rather than Muhammed. Paul was an educated man who studied the Bible, and also an Israelite which qualifies him as a prophet of God in the line of Abraham. Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. He was also a pagan Ishmaelite who rejected the truth of Christ but instead invented his own religion based on his own ignorant conjectures.
christianjihadi 1 year ago
@christianjihadi Paul was before Muhammad so when Muhammad came no one is to say that Paul was a Messenger over Muhammad since Paul was during Jesus' (as) time..all becuz u say he qualifies as a prophet of God doesn't make him one..Yes u can have really educated ppl but that doesn't make them prophets. Muhammad already knew the Bible better than the 12 apostels. No proof that he was ignorant. A pagan is a person who worships others besides God which Muhammad never did
ayasalman 9 months ago in playlist TSP: Quran Recitations
@ayasalman Paul was accepted by all of Jesus' disciples as an apostle of God. They approved Paul's message was from God and appointed Paul to preach the gospel to the gentiles. If Jesus' 12 apostles approved of Paul, we must also accept Paul and his teachings. Jesus tells us that we must accept their word for He speaks through them.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi all because disiples may of accepted him doesn't make him a prophet..Only God can pick who be's the Prophet. Only God can appoint a Prophet not ppl. God doesn't speak through the disiples nor paul LOL
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Jesus gave divine authority to His apostles to speak in His name and approve Paul. The apostolic Church must approve the messengers of God. The apostolic Church never approved of Muhammed but considers him an enemy of Christ.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi Jesus never gave divine authority to his companions. Nor did he ever approve Paul LOL. Well than the church doesnt know jesus at all nor God talk to TheGenuineChristian from youtube about what ur tyring to say to me
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman It is written in the Gospel that Jesus gave divine authority to His apostles. Christians must judge by what is written in the Gospel, as even the Quran (Surah 5:46,47) tells us to. The Church does know Jesus for it has been given the Holy Spirit who reveals Jesus to us. The Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to be the divine Son of God who is One with Allah, al-Ab.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi apparently u haven't read the entire verses before nor after it. Jesus was never the son of God for God has no children for it is He who is to be worshiped ALONE without any partners. If u worship more than 1 God than ur not a Chrsitian. There is no such thing as (1 with Allah) 1+1=2 not 1
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Muhammed was ignorant of the mysteries of God, he never studied the Torah. He did not know that God is One in Three. In Genesis 2:24, it is written a man and his wife shall become "one" flesh. The Hebrew word for "one" is "echod" it can include more than one person in a single entity. In Genesis 18, Allah, the Holy Trinity appeared to Abraham in the form of three men. The Torah confirms the truth of the Christian faith. We must judge by what Allah has revealed in the Torah and Gospel.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi God revealed what He wanted to reveal about Himself. But no Muhammad was not ignorant of the mysteries of God. He knew the torah he didnt need to study it. He knew the Psalms as well. Exactly God is NOT one in three cuz there is no such thing..1+1+1=3 not 1 (God) so u have three gods and we Muslims the True Believers have ONE GOD whome there is no other gods besides Him and there are no partners and no children. In the Bible it mentions ONE GOD not THREE GODS
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Muhammed was ignorant of the Torah. He mistakenly believed it to be one book when in fact, it is five books. The Torah reveals that the one God exists in Three persons. This is why Allah appeared to Abraham in the form of three men (Genesis 18). Allah, he Holy Trinity is not three gods but One God in three persons.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi ur making me yawn by what u keep saying about Muhammad being ignorant of everythign cuz u cant prove ur point. The Torah was revealed in ONE Book same with the Gospel and the Qur'an. But it was men who changed and made more than one book of the torah and gospel. The Torah does not talk about God being three as in the torah and bible says many times that GOD IS ONE without anything. the three men theory is crappy. and unreliable that dont even make sense trinity is 3 gods
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The Torah was revealed in five books. It is the same book that existed in the time of Jesus and the time of Muhammed. The Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient Bible texts prove this to be so. Jesus & Muhammed never said the Torah was changed. They both affirm the Torah as the uncorrupted word of God. The Torah teaches that God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men(Genesis 18), thus afirming Allah is Three in One. Allah, the Holy Trinity is a divine mystery hidden in the Torah.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi Five books or not the Torah is still ONE Book. There is not 5 different holy books for the Jews. Ofcourse the Torah would exist in the time of Jesus (pbuh) becuz it came in the time of Moses (pbuh). The Original Holy Books (torah and gospel) the Ones that came to Moses and jesus (pbut) are not changed cuz they were revealed by God..but since the Originals where lost or disappeared (proven by both Jewish and christian scholars also) man had to try to remember what the books said
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The evidence found with the Dead Sea Scrolls proves that the Torah was never lost but is the same Torah that existed in the time of Jesus. Your ignorance of the evidence is keeping you trapped in the lies. Love God, love the truth, leave Islam.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi You guys cant even find ALL the Dead Sea Scrolls..u only have partial of it. So ur case is blown out of the waters. I said the Gospel is lost i never said the Torah was..I said the Holy books Torah and Gospel were corrupted after being rewritten so many times,etc. and never memorized the True Words of God and the prophets'. This proved u never read my comment. so ur the ignorant one. U got trapped in ur lies. I do love God and the Truth that is why I am WITH ISLAM.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The Dead Sea Scrolls contain the Jewish Bible. There is enough evidence in this to prove Muhammed to be a false prophet and Islam a corrupt religion. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the Jewish (Christian Old Testament) Bible has the same message as in the time of Jesus. Jesus never said the Bible was corrupted. He quotes from it and tells Jews to study it, as does Muhammed in Surah 3:93. You don't the history of the Bible or your own Quran. I must teach it to you.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi the point is You dont have All the Dead Sea Scrolls u only have some. There is no evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls to prove anything about Muhammad being a false prophet and islam is corrupt..why are u lying..did u forget the 10 commandments? If anything it tells of a coming Messenger after Jesus (pbuh). Ofcourse Jesus (pbuh) wouldn't say the bible was corrupted cuz it never got a chance to get corrupted..it got corrupted after he left.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman How do you know we don't have all the Dead Sea Scrolls? What matters is that we have all the Jewish Bible that proves that the books of Old Testament Christian Bible have not been corrupted. These books prove that Muhammed is an impostor and false prophet. The Ten Commandments don't speak about Muhammed. You misunderstand the message of the Bible like your prophet before you. Even so, Muhammed did not believe the written text of the Bible was corrupted, as Surah 3:93; 5:46,47 proves.
christianjihadi 9 months ago
@christianjihadi How do i know u dont have all the dead sea scrolls? well let me see..even the jewish and christians scholars especially those who have the dead sea scrolls say it..they say they dont have all of them. If u dont trust them (as a christian urself) than who do u trust? The Torah of today is corrupted same with the bible..the jews did not want to follow Moses and decided to worship a calf. You dont have to original torah that was revealed...im not explaing the torah issue to u too
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman What is the name of the scholars who say we don't have all the Dead Sea Scrolls? The evidence shows we have all the books of the Jewish Bible, except for the Book of Esther in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Books of the first century Jewish Bible are identical to the books in the modern Jewish/Christian Bible. This is the same Jewish Bible that existed in the time of Jesus. He never said the Bible was corrupted but tells Jews to study the Bible, the same that Muhammed says in Surah 3:93.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 EVERY SCHOLAR...only u ignorant stupid ppl believe u have them all cuz u want something to believe in. First century or not there wasn't a bible in Jesus' time. It was written AFTERWARDS. Hundreds of years afterwards..and the torah hundreds of years before. and no the books are not identicle..i seen it with my own eyes.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman All the books of the Jewish Bible existed in the time of Jesus. He quoted from these books and told the Jews to study their scriptures. You are blind and ignorant if you cannot see that the books of the Jewish Bible are the same books in the Christian Bible. The Dead Sea Scolls and other ancient Bibles prove the Bible has not been corrupted. It is the same Bible that existed in the time of Jesus and the time of Muhammed. The Quran states that the Christians have the true scriptures.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 Its the Torah not "jewish bible" im not saying that it didnt exist in the time of Jesus...yes the corrupted version of the torah existed in the time of Jesus (peace be upon him). The Gospel and the Torah are two different Holy Books..u guys just combinded them centuries later after jesus left. the Dead sea scrolsl and the "ancient bible which is corrupted" doesnt prove the bible has not been corrupted. there was no bible in the time of Jesus. No it says the Christians have the scriptures
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman There was no corrupted version of the Torah that existed in the time of Jesus. He quoted from the Torah and told Jews to study it. He never said that there was a corrupted version of the Torah that Jews must avoid. Of course, the Torah and Gospel are different books written at different times in history but both were inspired by God. The Torah is included in the Christian Bible because the Christian faith comes from Judaism. It is a continuing revelation from the same God of Abraham.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 how can jews avoid it if they are the ones who corrupted it? lol jews are known to be liars and cheaters,etc. and decievers they know how to be sly and cunning. just like satan. And God sent down the Qur'an same with the Torah and Gospel. If ur christain faith comes from judaism than why are u not jews?
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The Torah, Psalms, Wisdom books and writings of the Prophets are part of the Jewish Bible. All these books existed in the time of Jesus. They were the scriptures read and studied by the first Christians who were all Jewish, they then added the Gospel and other Christian writings as part of their Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient texts prove that the message of the Bible has not been changed. Love God. love the Truth. Islam is keeping you ignorant and far from God.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 The Torah and Pslams are two different Holy Books. Pslams was sent to david and torah was sent to moses. i never said the books never existed..i just said the versions after the Prophets died or left got corrupted by the ppl. Dead Sea scrolls doesnt prove anything. I do love God and the Truth. Islam is keeping me sane and truthful and close to God..closest i have ever been.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman There is no evidence that the Torah or Psalms were corrupted. Jesus quotes from the Torah and Psalms. He never said these books were corrupted, neither in the Gospel or the Quran does he say this. Muhammed never said the Torah or Psalms were corrupted. He only accused a party of Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures. There is no evidence the Torah or Psalms were changed after the time of Muhammed. They are the same scriptures in modern Bibles.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 yes there are many and tons of evidences that the torah and gospel where corrupted. cuz jesus never spoke in the bible for he wasnt there when the bible was written. im not going around in circles with u..have a nice day im done with u..ur soo ignorant
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Where is the evidence that the message of the Jewish scriptures was changed? All the books of the Jewish Bible existed in the time of Jesus. The message of the Gospel existed in the time of Jesus but had not yet been written down as the Gospel of the New Testament. Love God, love the Truth and hate Islam. Islam is keeping you ignorant and far from God.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 the original books was not there at the time of jesus but yes the corrupted torah was there..same with teh corrupted gospel after jesus. Yes it was written down hundreds of years after Jesus. I do love God, I do love the Truth and I do love ISLAM. Islam is keeping me knowledgable and near God...i can't list all 101 contradictions in the bible but ill list a few here u can read the rest at google and type in 101 Clear contradictions in the Bible
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman You are indeed an ignorant and proud person who refuses to accept the facts. It's no wonder you are fooled by Islam, since you have no love for God or the Truth. Learn the facts of the history of the Bible. Even an atheist scholar will tell you that the Torah and other Jewish scriptures that existed in the time of Jesus are the same books that are in modern day Bibles. Your own prophet tells you to believe all the previous scriptures. Those are the same scriptures in modern Bibles.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 No im not ignorant nor proud..im just a knowledgable person stating the facts about the bible,etc. Its u that is refusing to accept the facts even when proof is thrown in front of u. its no wonder u r fooled by Christianity, since u have no love for God (u worship 3 instead of 1) or the Truth. Learn the facts of the history of the Qur'an AND bible AND torah before u open ur mouth next time about them. atheist wouldnt say that cuz they would say they are nto true books
ayasalman 9 months ago
@evo55 i do believe in the previous scriptures the ORIGINAL ones that GOD revealed. they are not the same scriptures anymore
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Quran 5:66,68 and historical evidence proves you are wrong to believe the original scriptures are not the same as in today's Bible.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 i have proven u wrong..dont mix the facts...ur saying "historical evdience proves im wrong" no it doesnt..i just proved from the Book itself and evidence that ur wrong...if u look at the 13th century bible and compare it to the 21st century bible u would see its nto the same.if its the same it would be same word for word with no differences,etc.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The 13th century Bible teaches that Jesus is the son of of God. It teaches that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. The 13th century Bible proves Muhammed to be a false prophet and Islam a corrupt religion.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 apparently u haven't read the 13th century bible cuz it doesnt say that..nor does it prove Muhammad to be a false prophet or islam a corrupt religion.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@evo55 Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1).....God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine? (a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13) (b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12).....Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey? (a) Yes(Mark6:8) (b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3).....and many many more..i am unable to post website so go to google and type in 101 Clear Contradictions in bible
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman You are straigning at gnats but missing the essential message of the Bible that has been preserved. It is the essentail message of the Bible that you should believe, not the non-essential minutiae. God puts those stumbling stones in the path of the unbelievers, so they will stumble and be caught in their pride.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 im not missing any message of the Bible. You had no bible to preserve according to ur scholars the bible was lost so it had to be rewritten..which none till today has ever memorized the ENTIRE bible unlike with the Qur'an u have thousands of memorizers of the qur'an which u know the qur'an can never be distorted,etc.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@evo55 Hate? seems like a very UnChristian concept?
sirataalmustaqeem 8 months ago
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@sirataalmustaqeem The Bible tells us to hate sin, lies and evil.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi apparently ur bible talks about killing, etc. etc. so thats a contradiction
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman The Bible has no verse like Surah 5:33. God would never suggest such cruel things of Jews or Christians.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi The bible has many verses like 5:33 and with 5:33 u dont understand..and if u understood u would agree ANYBODY who goes against God and His Messenger(s) even after the message has been brought to them and they still dont believe and the unbelievers..the enemies of God and his Messenger(s) are to be killed IF they bring war upon you..meaning they make war first...here i will list some stuff from the Bible that proves there is killing in it,etc.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman God never commanded the Jews to use crucifixion as a form of punishment. Crucifying criminals is a pagan practice. Muhammed proves he is a pagan by saying God approves of crucifixion.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi Deuteronomy 17:12, Exodus 22:17, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, Exodus 21:15, Proverbs 20:20, Leviticus 20:9, Leviticus 20:10, Leviticus 21:9, Exodus 22:19, "kill all non believers" 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Zechariah 13:3, Deuteronomy 13:13-19, Deuteronomy 22:20-21, Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5, Leviticus 24:10-16 I think I have proven enough that there are verses like surah 5:33 but WORSE in the Bible..and there is many many more.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@christianjihadi Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Deuteronomy 18:20-22, "infidels and gays should die" Romans 1:24-32, Numbers 1:48-51, Exodus 31:12-15. Now I will mention God's Murders for stupid reasons in the Bible: 2 Kings 2:23-24, 1Samuel 6:19-20, 1 Kings 20:35-36, "killing the good samaritan" 2 Samuel 6:3-7. Now here are verses about murdering children in the Bible: Isaiah 14:21, Hosea 9:11-16, Ezekiel 9:5-7, Exodus 12:29-30, Jeremiah 51:20-26, Leviticus 26:21-22, "rape and baby killing"Isaiah 13:15-18
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman The violent verses in the Old Testamnt are not for Christians to obey.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi then its for who to obey? If u say jews than i still proved u wrong by ur statement: "...God would never suggest such cruel things of Jews or Christians."..if its not for christians to obey why u have it part of ur bible..according to u u guys follow the OT also that is why its part of ur bible.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman The Old Testament is read as a history of God's revelation to man and also as a spiritual allegory. Each book of the Old Testament must be read and understood in it's historical context.
evo55 8 months ago
@evo55 so its just history to u..not a holy book to be followed?
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Christians are to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit speaks to us through the Church and the Bible. The Torah is only a small part of the Bible. It is not the full revelation of God. The fullness of the Truth is only found in the Catholic Christian faith.
evo55 8 months ago
@evo55 i read old testment and i don,t understand these verses,can you plzz explain the Ezeikel 23:19-20--- Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.(NIV) you tell me weather you blieve holy God speaks unholy words.read more,learn more and reject more verses in the bible and accept islam as a religion
MrAntitrinity 7 months ago
@MrAntitrinity Quran 5:33 and 9:30 are unholy and blasphemous verses which could never come from a true prophet of God. Ezekiel was a true prophet of God who used lurid language to describe in allegory the sins of Israel and Judah. Muhammed never understood the allegorical uses of God's prophets. It's the reason he ignorantly condemns those who say, Christ is the son of God.
evo55 7 months ago
@christianjihadi Now I will mention about Miscellaneous Murders: Judges 15:14-15, "Peter kills two people" Acts 5:1-11, "mass murder" 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Jeremiah 48:10, Joshua 19:47, Jeremiah 15:1-4, Ezekiel 35:7-9, Exodus 23:23, Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 6:20-21, 1 Kings 14:9-16, Judges 20:48, 2 Kings 19:35, "kill your neighbors/so much for loving them" Exodus 32:26-29, Joshua 7:19-26, Numbers 25:1-9, 1 Kings 18:36-40, Jeremiah 50:21-22, Judges 18:27-29 Hope that PROVE everything for you.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Peter didn't kill two people. It was the Holy Spirit who struck them down for thier insolence. The other verses are from the Old Testament and don't apply for today's belieevrs.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi Read the verse..it PROVE peter killed two ppl..u cant deny ur own verses. Than what verses does apply to believers? if u look it'll be nothing..so u just have a piece of paper to read for ur entertainment and not to follow.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Peter did not kill them. The Spirit of God killed the people through the word spoken by Peter. They lied to Peter and were stuck down by God's judgement.
evo55 8 months ago
@evo55 in the bible it says PETER killed them..go and read
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman I have read the book of Acts in the Bible. Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to speak the words that killed the deceivers. Peter spoke the word from God that condemned those who thought they could lie to God.
evo55 8 months ago
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@sirataalmustaqeem "To fear the Lord is to hate evil;" Proverbs 8:13.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi Question, you said you do not follow the old testament yet you are quoting it. if it is only a Historical book then I can ignore everything in it, even all the references to prophecy that people claim are for the Messiah.
sirataalmustaqeem 8 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem I do accept the Old Testament as being inspired by God for it reveals Christ to be the Messiah and the divine son of God, who is one God with the Father.
evo55 8 months ago
@evo55 oh yeah and BTW..i can show u TONS of contradictions and corruption in the bible if u wish..than u can say Bible is not eh word of God anymore
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman @evo55
The LORD said: Numbers [23:19] God IS NOT A MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Numbers 23:19 is comparing God to sinful humans. Jesus did not lie nor change his mind like sinful humans often do. He was not a typical man but the divine son of God, who does not lie or change his mind.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 Actually I see no evidence of this. I read the entire chapter. It is a simple comparison.
God is NOT A MAN, nor is he the SON OF MAN. Do not compare God to anyone who is human because ALL humans are capable of lying and prone to sin. They can change their mind.
As for Gods messengers they are protected from sin by God, this does not make them God.
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem thank u
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman I wouldn't spend to much time. Crusaders generally don't even read what we post, and if they do they ignore most of it as they are not interested in Islam. They want to win arguments.
First rule of Dawah, share the message. Do not convince anyone of anything. It is up to them to seek knowledge.
afwan (welcome)
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Muslims don't seek knowledge but remain in ignorance of the Truth. They do not love God with all their mind, soul and strength. They are not true believers but false.
evo55 9 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem i know, its just i wouldn't know how to end it properly without them thinking that they defeated the Muslim(s) or won the argument.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Christians wield the sword of Truth and Reason that defeats the lies of Islam.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi apparently no truth is comeing from chrsitianity since they kept fighting each other for centuries since christianity began. No lies are in Islam but only Truth.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Muslims have been fighting and killing one another since soon after Muhammed died. The Sunni Shia divide exists since that time and continues today with Shia and Sunnis bombing each other's mosques and holy sites. The Syrian president, Assad is an Alawite Muslim. He is killing the Sunnis and Shias of his country. Muslims should learn from Christians. Christians live in peace, we don't kill one another over religion.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi there is killing one another in EVERY religion. You have the catholics and prodosents who still kill each other today. Christians never live in peace they are killers.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman I've nvere heard of Catholics bombing Protestant churches or Protestants bombing Catholic churches. The only news is of Sunnis bombing Shia mosques and Sufi shrines or Christian churches.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi apparently u dont read the news do u? there is a long history between the catholics and protestants long back before they had "bombs" they go and set fire to each others churches, etc.
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman The history of violence is in the past and forgiven.Nowadays, Protestants and Catholics worship God in peace, love and harmony.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem You may have read, Numbers 23 but without fully understanding the story. The story has to do with an evil king who was bribing a prophet of God to curse the Israelites. The prophet told the king that he cannot do such a thing for God will not let him curse the Israelites, for God has blessed them. The comparison then is between God and the evil king who is a sinful man. Jesus was not a sinful man but without sin. He is the divine son of God who is One with the Father.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 I totally understand the story. I was a Christian most of my life. You interpret it to support you belief but I see no reference that excuses the Son of Man (Jesus) from the statement that he is not God.
The term son of man is used 50+ times in the new testament and almost always refers to Jesus (peace be upon him)
See what you want to see, I see it different. You interpretation is no more valid than A Jehovah's witness, a Catholic, or a Mormon. continued
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem You may have been a Christian but never studied the Bible. It's the reason some Christians get fooled into Islam or other false religions. Jesus is both son of Man and son of God. He is human & divine. Those two terms are used in the Bible to refer to Jesus. Love God with all your mind and study the Bible is what Jesus tells us to do. You don't see, your ignorance of the Bible has blinded you to the truth. The Jehova's Witness, Catholics and Mormons will agree with me.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 Perhaps you should be waging your little war against those from with in the Christian Community that are causing the confusion with the bible.
Question why is your version of the Bible correct and all the other Christian groups are wrong?
sirataalmustaqeem 9 months ago
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@sirataalmustaqeem There is no confusion. All versions of the Bible agree that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that He rose from the dead. That is the esential message of the Bible that all true believers must accept..
evo55 9 months ago
@ayasalman Muhammed did not believe there were tons of contradictions and corruptions in the Bible. He tells Jews to study the Torah (Surah 3:93) and Christians to judge by the Torah and Gospel (Surah 5:46,47). There is no evidence the Bible was changed after the time of Muhammed. He believed the Jews and Christians have the true scriptures (Surah 5:66,68). To say the written text of the Bible has been corrupted is to contradict your own prophet.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 yes Muhammad and even God says there were corruptions/contradictions in the bible..and i can prove to u many. Yes jews study the torah cuz their book is the torah..christians study the bible cuz ur book is the gospel. I really dont think u understand what it is meant in surah 5:66,68. The Propeht Muhammad never said that the bible is unchanged.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The Jews not only have the Torah but also the Psalms, Wisdom books and Prophets. Muhammed only mentions the Torah and Psalms (Zabur). If God sent the Quran, He would not fail to mention the other books of the Jewish Bible.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 the Holy Books that GOD sent down was the Pslams, Torah, Gospel, and Qur'an...no other book..whatever "books" are "within the books" like "matthew, john,etc. in the bible" and the "books" within the torah..point is the HOLY BOOKS are called Pslams, Torah, Gospel, Qur'an. Pslams and Torah are two different Holy Books they are not 1 book..but like u said u have the OT (torah) inside ur NT (bible)..so the torah did the same with the pslams probably
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman God sent down more than just the Torah, Psalms & Gospel. God sent books like Proverbs & Ecclesiaistes that were given to Solomon. He sent down the book of Samuel, and the book of Isaiah which propheseis the suffering and death of Christ. Yet, Muhammd fails to mention these other important prophets and books. Clearly, the Quran was not sent from God. The Quran was supposed to be sent to fill in the details but does not. The Quran leaves out much important information from the Prophets.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 God ONLY sent down the Torah, Pslams, Gospel and Qur'an..those are His Only Books. Proverbs &ecclesiaistes are just "chapters" in the Books they are not Holy Books from God..like for example u may say "book of mark" in the bible but in reality its a "chapter" in the bible called "Mark". (example here). But the main "BOOK" is called the Bible (Gospel) out of mathew, john,etc. samuel and isaiah are chapters within the Holy Book(s). Stop saying Muhammad failed to mention cuz it was GOD
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman You don't know what you are saying. Proverbs and Ecclesiastes are not just chapters in books. These are books with their own chapters. They are books written by king, Solomon, the son of David. There is much widom in these books that you can benefit from.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 i know EXACTLY what i am saying. You just proved my point that they are chapters in the books, end of discussion. They are not Holy Books from GOD. Well thats another thing it was written by man it was not from God.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@evo55 Gods words are the Qur'an..Clearly u dont understand the Qur'an so dont assume its not from God..I can say the corrupted versions of the torah and bible are nto from God. You dont even understand the metaphors of God. The qur'an leaves out NOTHING. The Qur'an is for THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman You can say the say what you want about the Bible being corrupted but that does not make it true. It only proves your ignorance of the Bible. The Quran leaves out the most important message of the Bible. It leaves out the true message of Christ which is the "good news" of the kingdom of God. The Quran mentions an Injil but without any meaning or understanding of it's true origin in Greek.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 if GOD says the Books have been changed or distorted than they have been, plus no book matches with each other 100% thats another thing. It doesn't prove any ignorance from me. The Qur'an leaves out no important stuff. The TRUE Message of Jesus was to worship the One Creator the One God, the One Lord above the heavens and the earth. The Injil is arabic for the Gospel. Injil does not come from greek
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The true message of Jesus was the "good news" of the kingdom of God. The word "gospel" means "good news" in Old English and "evangelion" is Greek. Injil is a corruption of the Greek "evangelion". The true message of Jesus in Arabic is al-bishara and not Injil.
evo55 9 months ago
@ayasalman I understand the Quran better than you. Surah 5:66,68 proves that Muhammed belieevd the Jews and Christians have the true scriptures.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 LOL LOL LOL....U understand the QUR'AN better than ME? I doubt that..ur an ignorant Christian who don't know my Book let alone ur own. Verse 66 proves the Christians and jews DID NOT study or observe their own Books.If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct...verse 66
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Muhammed only condemns the Jews and Christians of not obeying their own books, he does not say that their books are corrupted. Muhammed believed they had the true scriptures from God (Quran 5:66,68).
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 God condemns the Jews and Christians for not obeying/observing/studying their own Books..doesn't that prove anythign to u? u guys dont even care abotu ur own books. no where in those verses does it say "true scriptures from God"
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Muhammed accused the Christians and Jews of not caring for their own books by not obeying them. He tells them to study their books for they are sent as a guidance from their Lord. Muhammed did not believe the Jewish/Christians scriptures were corrupted, for in them is guidance from God. The evidence shows that these are the same books that are in modern Bibles.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 u mean GOD accused the Christians and Jews..God spoke in the verse not Muhammad. yes God tells them to study their books that were sent as a guidance form their Lord by they shall not. Muhammad also believed the scriptures where corrupted. so did God.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman If God tells the Jews and Christians to study their books, then God is not saying the Bible is corrupted. The Bible is a true guidance form God.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 it was talking about studying their books before they thought about changing them. but they decided not to study and changed them. bible is not true guidance from god as i proven to u with many verses of the bible that contradicts each other,etc.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Jews and Christians have never thought about changing their scriptures. There is no evidence that they have. The essentiall message of the Bible has been preserved in all versions of the Bible. The message of the Bible proves Islam is a false and corrupt religion.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 Verse 68 talks to the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) says that they have no guidance until they study or observe their Books "Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till ye observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord. That which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them. But grieve not for the disbelieving folk. " Verse 68
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman In Quran 5:68, Muhammed says to Christians and Jews to obey their scriptures for they are from God. Clearly, Muhammed believed the Jews and Christians had the true scriptures. There is no evidence that the Jewish/Christian scriptures were changed after this time. The scriptures read by Jews and Christians in the time of Muhammed are the same scriptures read today.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 I just posted what Qur'an 5:68 says it says OBSERVE in otherwords "study"..God is speaking not Muhammad. No where in the verse does it say "true scriptures" we never denied that the Pslams, Torah or Gospel are God's Holy Books but was it said is that after God revealed them to man, man than changed the word of God. I already proved to u many contradictions in the Bible. Yes the corrupted versions are being read today as it was during Muhammad's time.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Nowhere does the Quran accuse all Christians and Jews of corrupting their scriptures. The Quran only accuses of a party of Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures and saying "these are from God".
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 "Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings" (4:46); "So woe to those who write the Book with their hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' that they may sell it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings" (2:79);"Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You put it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much" (6:91)..conti...
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Jews pervert the meaning of their scriptures with their tongues by misreading the true text of their Bible (4:46). Some Medinan Jews have written other scriptures (2:75-79). The Jews don't teach all their scriptures, they show only some but hide most of it (6:91). These verses only prove that the Jews are not teaching what is in their scriptures. It does not say the Jewish scriptures themselves have been changed. It accuses some Jews in Medina of writing other scriptures.but not all.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 (qur'an 4:46)"Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one cannot be made hear not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few." it says CHANGE WORDS. not MISREAD.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Surah 4 is also written in Medina and refers to Medinan Jews only. Muhammed misunderstood their Hebrew language. In Hebrew "we believe and obey" sounds like "we believe and disobey" in Arabic. Muhammed cursed the Jews because they would not accept him as their prophet. But God is not like the sinful man Muhammed. God has not cursed the Jews for rejecting Muhammed. The Jews are correct to reject Muhammed for he is not an Israelite prophet. The Torah forbids Jews from accepting Mhmd.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 where does it say it refers to Medinan Jews ONLY? U want to know why GOD cursed the Jews? becuz the JEWS are the ones that killed majority of the prophets of God that were sent to them and still refused to believe in the Message.
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Surah 2 was written at Medina. In this Surah, Muhammed is speaking to and about Medinan Jews.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi in Surah 2 it may of been REVEALED in Madinah but that doesn't mean they are talking about only madinah jews..where in the verse does it say Only Madinah Jews ?
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman Surah 2:75 is only referring to a party or sect of Jews who have written other books to add to their original Bible.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi 2:75 is just one out of many of the verses proven the change in the Holy Book. Even if a party of Jews changed it no matter what city..how do u know that they weren't known as the "powerful" or the "ones that has the power to make changes" to anything? with all their money,etc. they can change the words of God. And its proven there that they added to the original Holy Book..their book isnt different from the holy book its all the same its just they added so everybody has that
ayasalman 8 months ago
@ayasalman The Dead Sea Scrolls are historical proof that the Jews have not changed their books. They are the same books as in the time of Jesus. Jesus never accused the Jews of changing their books. He never says so in the Gospel or the Quran.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@evo55 it said Jews not "median" jews..either way they still changed it so what makes u think ti didnt get to today? they chagned teh word of god..not that they wrote other scriptures besides their own. it proved if u know how to read that they changed their holy book. it does not say "jews in medina" it says "jews"
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman Surah 2 is a Medinan Surah written in Medina. Surah 2:75 speaks of a party of Jews in Medina who pervert their scriptures and write other scriptures. This is not saying all the Jews and Christians in the world have done the same to their scriptures, but only a party of Jews in Medina.
evo55 9 months ago
@evo55 QUESTION: I thought the Jews had only ONE scripture? Called the Torah
ayasalman 9 months ago
@ayasalman The Jewish scriptures consist of more than the Torah. The Torah is only the first five books of the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible. The Jewish Bible has the Historical books, Psalms (Zabur), Widsom Writings and Prophetic Writings. These are also included in the Christian Bible.
christianjihadi 8 months ago
@christianjihadi There is only One Torah..there may be chapters/books (as u call them) inside the Holy Book called the Torah..but there is only One Torah. Pslams is a separate holy book that was revealed to david.
ayasalman 8 months ago