@BlazeKing416 You are also a bigot for condemning the Israelis for killing palestinians, but you refuse to condemn Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia for killing and forcing their Palestinian populations into refugee camps.
@BlazeKing416 What "sovereign country" are you talking about? I hope not palestine. You are a bigot. You condemn Israel for displacing Arabs (90% of Arabs left without seeing an IDF) soldier, yet you don't condemn the Arabs for forcing virtually every Jew from their homes at gun point.
fuck israel they kill the muslims and the childrens .womans just for fun....but dont worry our time is coming and we will punish them ..i swear that we will punish them but not by killing the Innocents people (womans .childrens.....) like them....because we are not like them...
@truthforchrist By coming to a sovereign country killing and displacing 70% of population, and oppressing the Rest. By Making Native Arabs feel like intruders in Their country their forefathers has built. By COMMITTING SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE! AND CLAIMING IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY GOD!
Its was wrongfully given by the British and Defended by the US, is the Jewish god the Queen huh?
BTW Not Every Jew Supports Israel I know a whole Neighborhood of them from Europe Who hate that they kill
@VEVORage Not true. The only ones we kill are the terrorists who risk our parents',sons',brothers' and sisters' lives. The terrorists who would rather see us dead than becoming a part of the world with our own country and freedom after 2000 years , the terrorists that hate us as a result of pure evil.
@BlazeKing416 Thank you we need more comments like this its 100% true but very harsh i cant accept this sometimes as a Muslim i know i wouldnt be welcome in ISREAL I wish we could all get along I dont hate Jews despite my name, a friend of my sisters went there hs said i quote "muslims there are treated like shit" they also treated him badly and asked him why he waned to visit Tel-Aviv, hes an idiot he replied i wanted a holiday LOL but this was before the 1,300 Palestinians were massacered.
@Skippyraptor Let's all cry for the Arab's troubles. They can't treat their own people with decency (women or trying to speak out against the government), how can people think that they will want to make peace with someone else.
@soshityo Yet we should feel sorry for the Jews, while they commit worldwide genocide by enforcing multiculturalism into white countries (and only white countries) or outright killing and forcing Palestinians into concentration camps, all because of some nonsense they said that happened over sixty years ago, nice try fuckwit, why don't you enlist and die in all the Zionist wars, I hear they need more soldiers to fight Iran in the future.
@Skippyraptor agreed a good comment now they want more young people to die in IRAN now i do feel sorry for those soilders i didnt at first but i thought it was their own desire to fight for the US or UK but now they must be sick and tired "cannon fodder"
@ExposingJews2012 It's never the soldiers fault and we should never insult or berate them for what they have done, they enlist to serve their country, not to go to the opposite side of the world to kill some people that haven't done jack shit, that's why Israel has their own soldiers. But yeah, the soldiers of the US, UK, Australia and other nations are going to be the driving force for taking down the kikes. :)
@ST4leave I don't know if you are a Muslim or not, but that is one of the best answers I have ever heard. I bet there are a large amount if muslims who agree with you...but the mIn problem is hamas. The muslims that fall under the leadership of hamas have been brainwashed and lied to so much, they don't even know reality anymore. I would love for there to be peace and 2 stable states in the region, but that can't happen with hamas in power
@truthforchrist Hamas might be a problem but the biggest threat to the world is the USA Terrorist country that go to foreign countries to rape children and kill civilians...
@mahmoud1995 Canadian Harry Potter freak? I'd rather not talk to you. Yeah, they rape more than we do. They kill their civilians more than we do. Why do we get blamed for it? Because you civilians are dumb asses and you people think you know it all.
@OzDCreatte0 Alright smart ass, you would rather not talk to me? but you fucking just did and as for another thing I love when someone takes the time to go on my profile to get some of my "info" and use it against me... the world is fucking corrupt. Every country has a bloody hand and want to talk rape? Poland 1945, Vietnam... Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
@mahmoud1995 It just shows how incompetent you people are. 1995, 16 years old? I'm sure you know tons about the world. The Middle East as a whole has more blood on their hands than everyone else. That excludes Israel. None of you like Israel, why? Because they are better than almost everyone else? Like I said, if 1,000 Jews are killed, no one fucking cares, same as Americans. If one fucking Muslim is killed, the world freaks out about it. Please, tell me how that makes sense.
@OzDCreatte0 excludes Israel bahah and lets take your last statement and show you you are fucking wrong. 1 american soldier dies in Iraq or Afghanistan that shit goes all over the news, 5 Muslims die because of accidental fire, nothing it's forgotten about. Americans invaded Iraq for greed of oil and they created the Taliban as a result of the cold war. America has more blood on its hands than anyone else in the 21st century. Deny this you can't. (Excluding Stalin for what he did to his own)
@mahmoud1995 If it was greed, we wouldn't have given them the oil WE found for them. If it was for greed, we would take all their oil. Think dumb ass. America isn't a country dumb ass. Actually, we have less that most.
@OzDCreatte0 So your telling me America's only interest in Iraq was shits and giggles and to protect the Iraqi's? NO American doesn't give a rats ass about anyone else, no nation does. Saddam threatened to change the currency in which he sold his oil to the euro no USD, this would have had huge impacts on american society
@mahmoud1995 Google Jews against Zionism... The Rothschilds have the US's nut sack in a jar. The US is just a tool for the Zionists to protect their precious Israel, and they will kill as many people as they have to to do so.
@OzDCreatte0 My friend u're barking at the wrong Tree. First I'm Catholic, born and raised in a very Catholic country. However, I can provide an objective view to ur dilemma. Let's start with the premise that there is only one Terrorist nation (USA) in the world that has sent its terrorist group (CIA) to different countries in the world including mine to plant bomb and terrorize civilians. So if u want to compare: Any muslim country is a peace loving hippie in comparison with the Terrorist USA.
@OzDCreatte0 So this is not such much about freedom fighter muslims defending their land from foreign invaders and it's totally about the savage terrorist Americans who went to Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Irak etc... to rape children and kill women... Americans have committed crimes 100,000% more than the Nazis have... I hope you're Not an American...
@javie2 Defending their land? They aren't defending anything. They just want to terrorize the anyone who isn't their religion. French? lol. I have nothing more to say to you. When your pathetic country decides to get involved in world affairs and stops living off the United States, maybe I will talk to you. All your country, and it's people, do is talk shit about everyone else. Sorry but France isn't even close to being the best.
@javie2 "to rape children and kill women" Yeah, we had to fight your war in Vietnam because your country can't fight lol. Also, what ties do the Muslims have to any of those countries? Are you saying they hate Israel and the rest of the world because of crimes every countries military commits? You my friend are a dumb ass. French soldiers rape women more than our soldiers do. Back then, some officers would shoot you if you did that.
In all honestly can’t we just let the Jews have that little piece of land yes they were stereotypically greedy media run-in Zionist thugs deceitful and wrong in their actions to take that little piece of land which was theirs a long time ago. I’m calling on the Muslims to take the high rode the glory rode and let them be. You Muslims have plenty of oil rich gay lynching Islamic states as it is. I mean doesn’t Allah,(god) rest in your heart not on some dirt and rock.
@ST4leave what an ignorant comment..Muslims were never against the Jews.. Palestinians are the ones who allowed them to live with them. Its the Jews who are committing genocide and want to eradicate the Palestinians.As for the oil comment what about wealthy Jews in U.S and U.K who own majority of the well known companies/corporations, the bankers and the ones in government.
@ST4leave Its true what Malcom x said: "if your not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
@sugagal1000 That's great thig malcom said, Malcolm x also wanted racial purity with in the black community, Rockwell the leader of the neo Nazi in America admired Malcolm X on his black on black and white on white ideology on relationships. Also more on rumored side but I wouldn’t completely deny it; they both felt the same about Zionism in America. Muslims have teamed up with The Nazi in ww2; there is supporting evidence that the OK city bomber was trained by al-Qaida. My enemy is your enemy.
@ST4leave You should get your facts right on Malcolm x. Theres a lot of stereotype u refer 2. Y are labelling all Muslims as terrorist with AlQaida. Do have any proof that Muslims teamed up with the Nazi? What about Al Qaida's link with the U.S. I don't see non Muslim countries going into other countries and enforcing their rules and stealing their resources and killing innocent people in the name of democracy.
@harrycox4 Of coarse it's a fake video. No one disputes that. However, the video does have some truth to it. There a thousands of pictures and videos of IDF soldiers getting along with Palestinian children. The situation is unstable over there, but there have been so many instances of individual people working together and showing signs of friendship. I hope for a total peace over there, but that probable won't happen for a long time (not while Hamas is in power)
@RafaelFernandeSantos I gave you the reports, and I won't by pasting them again. Everyone saw te names and statements by historians. Those statements and historians are te ones that the UN accepts. They don't accept answering-christianinty as a valid source. Since you are going to continue lieing, I wonder why I even bother continuing this with you
The link Zionist internet trolls fear: Israeli military scholar Martin van Creveld speaking of his Israel's threat to bomb European capitals (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
That ZionistLiar already knows what my replies will look like proves only that he's used the same tired tatics throughout all of the discussion. He can't just speak of "reports", and then just expect other debaters to accept his bullshit. He needs to prove they exist so others can analyse them, see if the reports are sound, if there have been answers, additions, retractions, etc. But not even name them ZionistBulshitter can do. Zionist paid trolls are just that incompetent.
@RafaelFernandeSantosTO EVERYONE: I gave Rafeal the liar the reports. By saying I never mentioned them, he proves that he can't, or wont read. I gave the reports the UN uses, and I trust their legal experts over your his personal opinion. While I am very glad the UN has no real power, and I do think America should leave the UN, I do trust their collective concensus on history over a single user who uses an islamic polemic website as his only source
@truthforchrist Sure you gave me reports. Go there, if that's true, name them. Name them "again". I F*CKIN* CHALLENGE YOU. You gave no reports, you only gave the names of some Zionist scholars who have no relation whatsoever with the UN, and quoted some bullshit they said and you found on Wikipedia. Not even proving the UN has analysed those Zionist scholars' work you did. Then I crushed you with more recent, accepted scholarship by ISRAELI scholars.
The link Zionist internet trolls don't want you to see: Israeli military scholar Martin van Creveld speaking of his country's threat to bomb Europe (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
@RafaelFernandeSantos -Walid Shoebat said “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
-Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not"
-Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab "'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it"
@RafaelFernandeSantos-Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel"
@liar I'm frankly not interested in Palestinian culture. I was only repeating what I've been told by online friends. And btw, what's all of this bullshit? Whether they have a culture of their own is of no relevance to their land rights. Do you also plan on expelling the Lebanese to Syria as they're supposedly the same? That'd be unfair and illegal; the Lebanese own their country by virtue of right of possession, not b/c of cultural distinctiveness. Same applies to Palestinians.
Israeli scholar Martin van Creveld on Israel's threat to bomb Europe:
"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force."
@RafaelFernandeSantos Since you can't refute my claim that most palestinians left of their own free will and intended to return after the war...lets move on to something that makes you happy...the forced Jewish exodus from arab lands. Let me guess, you are going to tell me that they weren't forced to leave, or that the accepted number (over 800,000) is wrong. Let me also guess, you are going to use answering-christianity as your only source.
@lie Please, I have already refuted your crap about the Palestinian exodus by bringing about the Israeli government's OWN files - files that have been analysed by recent scholarship of the New Historians, files that show the IDF played a major role in the exodus and that one of the reasons Israel even failed to reach a peace agreement with Arab states was her refusal to accept the refugees back. How can you say Israel wanted them to stay? What are you, a moron?
@RafaelFernandeSantos If palestinians have their own culture, then answer the following question: 1) Why did they not say nothing about West Bank occupation by Jordan from 1949-June 1967? Why did palestinians ONLY start claiming they had a seperate arab identity AFTER 1964? Why didn't any country in the world prior to 1964 every recognize the palestinians as a seperate people?
@truthforchrist (3) As for my sources, it's clear where I've found them: I have even provided links for them or otherwise named them: the Le Monde article on the Palestinian exodus; Avi Shlaim's article "The War of the Israeli Historians" (available online for free); and assorted links on the New Historians (particularly Benny Morris) scholarship and book reviews on their works.
@RafaelFernandeSantos I've already refuted you when it comes to IDF action causing the Jordinian exodus. However, what you haven't refuted was te fact that virtually ALL Jews in Arab countries were forced to leave their homes. Jordinians (Palestinians are jordinians) mostly left on their own, while Jews were forced to leave. I know that makes you happy since you are a bigot who hates Jews
@lieforzion You've only cited old Zionist historians who have been refuted by post-80s Israeli scholarship, the New Historians' scholarship. All of my sources are much more up to date and recent than yours. And after I refuted you with their aide, you began doubting my reading abilities. You're too stupid and unlearned to create an actual counter-argument. Want me to shove all those sources in your face again? And ofc: the UN reports, where are they? what are they even called?
@RafaelFernandeSantos If the sources are out of date, then why does the UN accept them? You will probably have some bullshit answer for that question. You are so very predictable, I can already know what you are going to say. As for the UN reports, I have already given you a small list of them, and I wont be doing that again. If you couldn't read them the first time, then you wont be able to read them the 2nd time.
@truthforchrist PROVE THE UN ACCEPTS THEM. STOP SAYING STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T PROVE, YOU DUMB RASCAL. IS THAT ALL YOU'VE GOT? MINDLESS REPETITION OF THE SAME crap?
@RafaelFernandeSantos As for palestinians/jordinians...they are the same and only an idiot would think otherwise. I do doubt your reading ability due to the fact that I had to repeate myself dozens of time...and you still dont understand. Seriously, how do you fail to grasp simple concepts in a language you have been speaking your entire life?
All your info comes from answering-christianity (.) com and that site has admitted to being very biased against Israel
@liar I've met a great, bright Palestinians online, and they've all told the same: Palestine has a culture of its own, a culture that is distinct from those of other Arab countries; there are even local cultures that are distinct from one another. And I trust them more than I do an obvious unlearned and confuse troll as yourself. In any event, whether Palestinians share features with Jordanians is irrelavant. Arabs have always lived on both sides of the Dead Sea.
@RafaelFernandeSantos To everyone: this user has said constantly to show him sources that refute him. I gave him 8, and after not being able to refute my sources, he made up bullshit reasons as to why he doesnt "personally" accept them (as if his opinion has any merit in the academic arena). He has been using the same source that answering-christianity uses (an anti Israeli site). He has been caught lieing so many time
Not personal reasons: I explicitly based my answer on academic work, e.g., Avi Shlaim's. Of Israeli pre-80s history works he's said they're both flawed & self-serving as Zionist scholars lacked sources on facts surrounding the 48 conflict & felt in need to validate their ideology by rewriting history. Shlaim isn't alone. He's part of a group of scholars, the New Historians, who've revisited Zionist myths on the 48 conflict. You even cited one of those scholars, Benny Morris.
After extensive refutation of Zionist faux-Christian, @truthforchrist, who looks at Wikipedia for sources on the Palestinian conflict, he now resorts, not to arguments, but to insults, to defend Zionist tales on the conflict. But please read the links below:
The Palestinian exodus - it was provoked by IDF actions: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Israeli scholar Martin van Creveld admits Israel's threatened to bomb Europe (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
@RafaelFernandeSantos And you have no room to say anyone is using ad hominem attacks. That is something you have been doing and admitting to doing since the very first moment we started our discussion. I have stuck to the facts and other than saying the truth about you (you are a liar, troll and uneducated), I have no resorted to any attacks on your character. You have been exposed again
@liar I've admitted to being rude toward you, but my posts can't be limited to that. I've mentioned articles by historians' on the Israeli conflict and produced arguments for my views on it. You by contrast only lie your way into the discussion (f.e., by inventing sources). After I demolished with the aide of academic sources your sole attempt at creating an argument (your 5 parts reply) your sole response has been to doubt my reading ability. What a failure of a troll you're.
@RafaelFernandeSantos LOL! I can do the same thing in any language. I'm replying from my IPhone, but when I get home (God knows when that will be), I will use a Russian translater to do the same thing ( I don't speak Russian, but it will prove you accomplished nothing). Again, you failed so very hard LOL
@liar Online translators are rudimentary tools and produce but crude or unaccurate translations. Anyone who speaks Portuguese can see that's not the case for my Portuguese posts. I *am* a native Portuguese speaker. In any event, anyone can google my comments and see that I've been active on Portuguese threads as well.
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This stuff is so easy to verify. I don't even understand why you even try to troll on this. You like being refuted or something?
@RafaelFernandeSantos My username is English, yet English is not my 1st language. Your username is meaningless when it comes to your language. You have been caught lieing aging and again, and debating a liar is not fun. Quit your lieing if you want to continue
@truthforchrist Meu nome é Rafael Santos. Eu moro em Pernambuco, Brasil. Minha língua mãe é o português, mas sei usar inglês e em certa medida o francês. Minha família é católica, mas desde os 16 de idade tenho sido ateu. Não falo árabe, não sou muçulmano e não tenho nenhuma laço com o Oriente Médio: na verdade, penso que sequer tenha visto alguém dessa região. Falo a favor do povo palestino porque é isso o que é moralmente correto. A verdade é essa, not your vulgar trolling.
@RafaelFernandeSantos You keep asking for reports, and I gave you 8 reports the UN uses. This is why I told you to get an education. You have been speaking English your entire life, yet you keep asking me for information that i gave you more than once. You struggle with basic reading, which means you are very young, or very uneducated (or both)
@lieforzion I'm tired of your unproven assertions. You haven't given the name of any UN report; you haven't proven the UN's rejected the New Historians' findings (you yourself used one of such sources, a Benny Morris book); and now you say the UN's used your outdated Zionist sources. If I ask you where, I know, based on what I've seen of you that you'll prevericate and will not answer me. Now your thing is to distract through ad hominem though it's you who's getting a beating.
The faux-Christian liar's saying now that I struggle to understand the concepts he's been using. But what concepts? He's whole participation on this thread can be thus summarized: 1) Speaking of "UN reports" that argue for his case; 2) refusing to name those reports when asked; 3) asking me to debate those reports, even though he refuses to identify them; 4) creating hurting lies a/b me, such as that I approve of anti-Jewish genocides. Those are the "concepts" he's been employing.
"In Judaism your tribe follows your father's ancestry.If Jesus did not have a physical father for God forbid Jeconiah descendant , RIGHT?"
Are you saying HaShem that has the power to create Adam & Eve could not create a conception in the womb of Mary to make Jesus a Jew WITHOUT A JEWISH FATHER, BUT STILL A JEW FROM THE LINEAGE OF MARY?.
WHY DID NOT JEWS ASK HaShem WHETHER THE LINEAGE OF MARY WAS THEN LISTED IN THE BIBLE TO ANSWER foolish JEW LIKE YOU?
@RafaelFernandeSantos It's not that English is not your first language...its fact that you are not smart enough to understand very simple concepts...as evident by your replys. I had to learn english, and I can speak it and undertake better than you...someone who has been speaking it his entire life. Seriously, get an education
@RafaelFernandeSantos I never said they work for the UN. Learn to read and quote correctly. However, the UN accepts these reports, and so many more that I can give you over the 1 source which you desperately cling to. English is your first language you liar (this isn't the first lie of yours I have exposed)
@lieforzion Who can't understand shit is you. If they don't work for the UN, quit saying you have proved the UN's on your side, quit saying you have already given the reports names. If you want me to accept any of that, you can start by naming those shitty reports, if they exist! And you've shown English is my 1st language? How? Just by saying that? Anyone who googles my screen name can find posts of mine in Portuguese, my 1st language. Do you want me to use it in here?
3) He says that Israel wanted Palestinians to stay, that they left voluntarily. But according to Israeli Foreign Ministry documents reviewed by Avi Shlaim, Israel didn't want them back, and this refusal was one of the reasons she failed to reach a peace agreement with her Arab neighbors. Moreover, many Israeli leaders of yore, e.g., Moshe Dayan, traced Palestinian anger at Jews to the fact that they had lost their lands to the Jews, which proves the exodus wasn't voluntary.
Summing up my argument: 1) @truthforchrist cited Zionist scholars who died b4 the debate about Israel's 48 war and the Palestinian exodus, a debate only ignited in the 80s, began. According to Avi Shlaim, those scholars not only ignored the facts behind those events, but were also concerned a/b producing an account morally supportive of Zionism. 2) He in facts cited a book from one scholar, Benny Morris, who refutes his claim that the IDF had nothing to do with the Zionist exodus.
@RafaelFernandeSantos I meant this: "He in facts cited a book from one scholar, Benny Morris, who refutes his claim that the IDF had nothing to do with the Zionist exodus *Palestinian exodus."
@RafaelFernandeSantos 1) your link doesn't work, so you have yet to show 1 source. 2) you keep asking for the reports as to why the UN rejects your claim, yet I gave you 8 3) you seem to struggle with english. Even if I didn't have a source to show you, it wouldn't matter since the UN still rejects your claim
@liar 1) My link does work. Do you think people can't see that by themselves? Quit lying. 2) You didn't give me any UN report. You cited some traditional Zionist scholars who did no work for the UN, and a book by one New Historian, Benny Morris, who's the 1st historian to document how IDF actions provoked the Palestinian exodus (though he says that wasn't on purpose). 3) English isn't my first language. And sure, lying ass, prove the UN rejects the claims. Just name the reports.
Read this Le Monde article on Palestinian exodus and IDF involvement in it: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Some people want to refute it, either by citing Zionist scholars who died long ago and didn't participate in the current debate on Israeli history; or by citing scholars who in fact contradic their views; or yet by speaking of UN reports whose existence remains unproven. This is the case of @truthforchrist, a Zionist user masked as Christian to troll on discussions a/b Palestine.
@RafaelFernandeSantos I asked you a dozen times why does the UN reject your claim. I'm still waiting on an answer. Basically, it's still 8 to 0. You did some word play in order to show why you personally don't like the sources, but you didn't refute them. I'm still waiting on 1 source from you :)
@RafaelFernandeSantos Wikipedia? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if that is somehow you attempt at refuting something, then you must really be desperate. What's even more funny is you said you have better things to do than watch this thread, yet you still responded quickly
@lyingass After googling your quotes, it's clear where you took them from: Wikipedia. All of your quotes can be found on there. So it's really you who are desperate, son. And sure, you lying piece of shit, I'll with pleasure debate with you why the UN reports have rejected the New Historians' scholarship AS SOON AS YOU NAME THOSE REPORTS, SUPPOSING THEY REALLY EXIST, SO I CAN READ THEM. Whilst you resist to prove their existence, I can't read'em, research a/b them or debate them.
On my reply (1), where it's written "In any event, Wikipedia that quote a summary (...)", it should be read that "Wikipedia attributed that quote to a summary by Glazer (...)".
(3), where it's written, "You evenm omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he that view to "Israeli public opinion", it should be read, "You even omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he attributed that view to "Israeli public opinion".
@LibertyNeedsRestorin It is a common saying. I didn't invent the saying. There is some degree of truth to it due to the fact that Hamas (the elected leaders of Palestine) have said more than once that they plan on wiping Israel off the map
@Gfulino There is a saying..."if the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their weapons, they would be wiped off the map.". Palestinians could have had their own state already, but they are not interested in getting along. It would be great if there were peace in the region, but sadly, it won't happen for a long time :(
Why can't you fuck shit just be friends? Wait we can humanity is full of hate. Really for fuck sakes. I'm Canadian and I really don't fucking get it... If I was in your shoes, I would take the first step and talk peace not be total dicks. Gosh.
LOL neat. Nice to see this rather than some more awful, ugly satnic lies that palestine and islam puts out about Israel all the time, like they think any body with a brain believe sthem. They who follow the father of lies him self in their belief system, islam. Ya right.
the american liberals spread multiculturalism to get rid of the white race. the jewish race will die from the jew liberals. i cant wait for payback and there race to die off.
@eastariel Palestinians have only been a people since 1964. However, the Jews have been there for 3000 years. Arabs have been there for 1300 year. If you take into consideration the migration patterns, intermarriage and other factors...then all the proof shows that The modern day "Palestinians" are very new to the land
Le Monde on Palestinian exodus and IDF involvement in it: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Don't trust lies by those who say there are reports and files proving Israel's amy has played no role in the Palestinian exodus, but who, when pressed, are incapable of namimg those sources. Mainstream scholarship produced by the Israeli New Historians has shown what role Jewish military campaings against Arab villages had in the creation of a Jewish majority country. The link above is about that subject.
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 1: Schechtman, Kohn, Jon Kymche and Syrkin said in several reports "the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists"
Walid Khalid, an arab, is his report states that the idea of transfering populations was popular among the arabs in palestine
@liar (1) This crap that Palestinians weren't forced to leave, that many chose to do so, is a claim by traditional Zionist historians that precedes the opening of IDF and Israeli Foreign Ministry files that much of Israeli New History scholarship has been based on. The quote you brought, I bet you took from Wikipedia. In any event, Wikipedia that quote a summary of "the position of Zionist historians", which has been refuted by the likes of Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim.
@liar (2) Based on those files, has argued, as I've told you before, Morris argued that 55% of Palestinian refugees went out of the country b/c of IDF and Jewish terrorist actions: they didn't leave voluntarily. And btw, according to historian Avi Shlaim Ben-Gurion refused to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel's neighbors b/c Arab countries wanted Israel to accept the refugees back. If Israel wanted them to stay in the 1st place, why couldn't she accept them back? And now?
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 2: Peretz and Gabbay both did a joint report that suggested that panic caused the palestinians to flee. The report says"Israeli public opinion has maintained that as the Arabs planned to massacre the Jews, when the Jews began winning the war the Arabs fled, fearing the same treatment would be suffered on them" This means that the Jews did not treat the palestinians the same...but that the arabs THOUGHT they would be treated the same.
@lie (3) How sloppy you're. That quote's from Wikipedia, and it's from Glazer, not from Peretz and Gabbay. You evenm omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he that view to "Israeli public opinion". In any event, this view's addressed by the New Historians, who have departed from the traditional Zionist accounts and have proved Palestinians haven't left out of psychological reasons or b/c they were called out by their leaders.
@lie (4) On his article, the War of the Israeli Historians, Shlaim calls the old scholarship the propaganda of the winners, who, being the victors, take the liberty to present facts in a self-serving fashion. According to "[t]he conventional Zionist account of the 1948 War (...) hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled to the neighbouring Arab states (...) in response to orders from their leaders and despite Jewish pleas to stay (...)".
@lie (5) "[T]he standard Zionist account of the causes, character, and course of the Arab-Israeli conflict remained largely unchallenged outside the Arab world. The fortieth anniversary of the establishment of the State of Israel, however, was accompanied by the publication of four books by Israeli scholars who challenged the traditional historiography of the birth of the State of Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war."
@lie (6) "[The new scholarship] presents to the Arabs an account of the conflict which they recognize as honest and genuine (...) instead of the usual propaganda of the victors." In other words, you're just quoting old Zionist propaganda presented as history. Moreover, many statements by Israeli leaders prove the Palestinian exodus was forced. Moshe Dayan, for example, traced Palestinian hostility to Israel to their forced expulsion from their ancestral homeland.
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 3: In the book "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", the UK looked at all the records of the refugee problem and concluded that "the exodus was caused by neither Israeli nor Arab policies, but rather was a by-product of the '48 war". This is more proof that arabs werent forced to leave but left when they knew Isreal was going to win the 1948 war. Muslims are such pussies that 4 muslim armies can't beat little tiny Israel.
@lie This book you quote was written by Morris, the scholar I've been citing all along and whose existence you ignored b4 I spoke of him. Anyway it's funny you now resort to this view, b/c it directly contradicts your assertion that the Palestinian refugees had never met an IDF soldier. But according to Morris, the Palestinian exodus WAS caused by IDF actions, though he says those actions weren't premeditated ethnic cleansing (a view Norman Finkelstein and others have contested).
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 4: Yosef Weitz wrote a report that is widely used and highly valuable. His report says "Israeli official sources, foreign press, officials present at the time and historians have claimed that the refugee flight was instigated by Arab leaders" and "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion, it was a tactic of war on the part of the Arabs"
@lie Yosef Weitz died b4 the opening of Israeli govt documents on which the New Historians' review of Israeli history has been based. Stop quoting old historians who were doing nothing but repeat self-serving Zionist tales. The New Historians have proved that BASED OIN IDF AND ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTRY FILES available since the 80s, Palestinians were forced out of their lands by the IDF. This isn't even debated anymore, though some (Morris) say those actions weren't premeditated.
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 5: I did plan for a 25 part reponce...but I realised its not worth it unless we have this debate in private message. However, if we did that, then no one would be able to watch you weasle your way out of admitting you were wrong. I gave about 8 sources, and you gave 1 source which is not held as valid. So basically it's 8 to 0, and I can give you about 60 more
Also, the link you gave doesn't work, so you still have yet to give a single example to prove your case
@zionistliar (9) Funny, you say you have shown the UN is in your side, but ALL of the sources, except for the one I've been using all along, Benny Morris, are traditional Zionist scholars, most of whom died before the latest debate on Israeli history even began - they're definitely not UN reports. How desperate are you to keep lying this way? And btw, WHERE ARE ALL THE F*CKING UN REPORTS? Name them, I challenge you.
@RafaelFernandeSantos The UN has instructed the entire Middle East to come up with a solution to the refugee problem. Well, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Egypt and Syria have all killed and / or exiled thier Palestinian populations. Only jordan accepted the refugees. Egypt built an apartheid wall between them and Gaza.
@truthforchrist Egypt built an apartheid wall under Israel's request to avoid arms smuggling into the Gaza Strait. And I've never read of massacres against Palestinian refugees taking place in Arab countries. Wait, I know of one: the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon, which took place in Israeli-occupied territory and Israel was involved as an enabler. And BTW, the UN has addressed Israel specifically, and I can prove you that (you know I can).
@RafaelFernandeSantos Does anyone else find this strange. Rafeal was always quick to reply to me. He proclaimed "victory" in our discussion. Then I provided him with 8 sources to refute him...and now he is no where to be found. He was always quick to respond, and now he wont. I bet he will use either some lame excuse, or he will never return again due to the fact that he is incapable of admitting he was wrong.
@lieforzion I have something better to do with my life other than keep some Youtube thread under my watch 24h a day (I've only seen this message of yours because Youtube notified me through e-mail). I'm both too busy and too lazy right now to reply to your overly long reply, which, by-the-bye, was quite a weak and easily refutable one. But don't hold your breath for too long, I'll kick your lying, trolling ass soon.
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@ilovegenocide So I was correct....you did make up an excuse as to why you wont admit to being wrong. SO far, it's my 8 sources to your 0. The UN backs up my claim, and at the same time, rejects your claim.
Next you are going to tell me the palestinians are decendants from people who lived there before the Jews...
@lieforzion Making up excuse for what? OK, now you succeeded in getting the best of me. You'll have your reply in a few minutes. Just wait. And please, quit being dishonest. I, I, am the only one who cited up to date sources on here - Benny Morris and mind you, I'll cite other Israeli scholars. You can't even name those fake UN reports, dumb shit. You passed the whole evening researching for pro-Israel names to cite on here, how pathetic.
That Jews acquired Palestine by means of legal purchases is a lie. This is was Sheldon Richman, a Jewish libertarian scholar, has written on the matter:
"The proposed apportionment should be assessed in light of the following facts: (...); by the end of 1947 the percentage of Palestine purchased by Jews was less than 7 percent; Jewish land purchases accounted for only 10 percent of the proposed Jewish state; and Jews made up less than one-third of the population of Palestine."
@MAXAREUOS You are correct...a lot of the land was legally purchased by the Jews without incident. The Arabs tried to wiped Israel offend map...they wanted genocide. But after they lost to Israel, the petitioned the UN and wanted their version of "justice"
@RafaelFernandeSantos EVERYONE: as you can see, I told this liar to assume that there are no reports. I'm making it very, VERY easy for him to win a debate against me. I then asked him a very simple question...why do historians, legal experts and the UN unanimously disagree with the 1 source that he has desperately been clinging to? After asking him many times, he refuses to answer. He is a master of red herrings, shifting goal posts, and lieing
@LIE Are you nervous? OK, I misread your previous post, which won't make me forget you owe me those reports' names. Anyway, who told you Morris's findings aren't taken seriously? Prove that. Before this debate you didn't even know who he was and now you wanna rule on his oevre quality and standing? Pathetic. His work is now mainstream history, as is the New Historians'. Google about Palestine's exodus, and you'll see Morris's findings being cited as noncontroversial scholarship.
The UN itself has asked Israel to fix the refugees problem, which she refuses with the usual excuse that it threatens her security. Do you want me to bring about sites on that? And mind, I can do that. I can reference every single sentence I have said. In contrast to you, I don't invent sources that I can't name afterwards (how pathetic of you, btw! What an inefficient troll).
@BlazeKing416 You are also a bigot for condemning the Israelis for killing palestinians, but you refuse to condemn Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia for killing and forcing their Palestinian populations into refugee camps.
truthforchrist 41 minutes ago
@BlazeKing416 What "sovereign country" are you talking about? I hope not palestine. You are a bigot. You condemn Israel for displacing Arabs (90% of Arabs left without seeing an IDF) soldier, yet you don't condemn the Arabs for forcing virtually every Jew from their homes at gun point.
truthforchrist 1 hour ago
fuck israel they kill the muslims and the childrens .womans just for fun....but dont worry our time is coming and we will punish them ..i swear that we will punish them but not by killing the Innocents people (womans .childrens.....) like them....because we are not like them...
az092ish 1 hour ago
Okay, this was really great.
Alpinegremlin 10 hours ago
I came here ready for an arguement but this was actually kinda... charming.....
SuperSneakySniper 16 hours ago
if only the world would be this simple may god bless israel-palesine
sweenkingandwow2 22 hours ago
Tאיזה סרטון דבילי ...
davidushka 1 day ago
@albedran2 I have no idea what you are asking
truthforchrist 2 days ago
this video is the most stupid bs i've seen sorry to say... it's a pathetic way to try and get attention
onehappymushroom 2 days ago
@onehappymushroom it's a way to have fun of all pathetic extremists on both side, why do you find it stupid?
MrBrozinsky 1 day ago
this video is fake or act it's not true
amera1972 2 days ago
@amera1972
?????? That's an obvious fake....too stupid thinkin' that act would be true.....
MegaNicolaos 2 days ago
@MegaNicolaos
It's an advertising clip from the civil right association, as you see at the end.
axlxexxx 2 days ago
respect isreal!
arabs=teror
VIRTUALZ27 2 days ago
@VIRTUALZ27 i would die but not respect the real terrores ISREAL
KsASaLooMKsA 2 days ago
@VIRTUALZ27 please man pleaaaaaaaase learn how to spell
safelone 2 days ago
@VIRTUALZ27 FUCK ISREAL !!!!!! TERRORISTS!!!! KILL MUSLIM BABYS AND WOMEN EVERYDAY FOR FUN
ExposingJews2012 14 hours ago
Jewish boy throws a rock, and German soldier shoot it, then dancing together.
German-Jewish Peace or Conflict
HamZang1124 3 days ago
@BlazeKing416 How did Israel steal land that was given to them?
truthforchrist 3 days ago
@truthforchrist By who?
Imaginary friend?
albedran2 2 days ago
@truthforchrist By coming to a sovereign country killing and displacing 70% of population, and oppressing the Rest. By Making Native Arabs feel like intruders in Their country their forefathers has built. By COMMITTING SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE! AND CLAIMING IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY GOD!
Its was wrongfully given by the British and Defended by the US, is the Jewish god the Queen huh?
BTW Not Every Jew Supports Israel I know a whole Neighborhood of them from Europe Who hate that they kill
BlazeKing416 7 hours ago
Fuck Israel Fuck Jews Fuck Israeli Army
ISRAEL=Land of Big hairs mothersfuckers!
THEExTremeSHaYaN 3 days ago
THIS SHIT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
THESE ZIONIST PIECES OF SHIT FROM MY ASS WOULD OF SHOT THAT KID IN THE NUT 70 TIMES OVER NO PROBLEM.
FK ISRAEL
VEVORage 3 days ago
@VEVORage Not true. The only ones we kill are the terrorists who risk our parents',sons',brothers' and sisters' lives. The terrorists who would rather see us dead than becoming a part of the world with our own country and freedom after 2000 years , the terrorists that hate us as a result of pure evil.
O12TAL21O 3 days ago
@O12TAL21O you mean the jewish hasbarat agents? yes IDF ARE THE ONLY TERRORIST I KNOW
ExposingJews2012 14 hours ago
@VEVORage Are you Palestinian?
rkra0121 2 days ago
@VEVORage good comment we need ore anti-zionists now :)
ExposingJews2012 14 hours ago
FUCKING PROPAGANDA WHORISH BULLSHIT!
THE SOLDIER WOULD KILLED THAT BOY AND WENT TO SLEEP LIKE A BABY THAT NIGHT.
Israel stole a land and systematically killed the people until they are a minority in their own land.
BlazeKing416 3 days ago
@BlazeKing416 ,u smell like camel poop, wash yourself towel head
sparks4621 3 days ago
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sparks4621 3 days ago
@BlazeKing416 Thank you we need more comments like this its 100% true but very harsh i cant accept this sometimes as a Muslim i know i wouldnt be welcome in ISREAL I wish we could all get along I dont hate Jews despite my name, a friend of my sisters went there hs said i quote "muslims there are treated like shit" they also treated him badly and asked him why he waned to visit Tel-Aviv, hes an idiot he replied i wanted a holiday LOL but this was before the 1,300 Palestinians were massacered.
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tmpq1lzy 4 days ago
Well just a dream :)
Exchiefboy 4 days ago
476 people think Israelis are evil and find this video an affront to their psychosis.
frozenmorale 5 days ago 5
The name of this video should be "palestinian boy shot by israeli soldier dances" :D
fossas 6 days ago
Nice to see the Zionists are keeping up with their propaganda quota.
Skippyraptor 6 days ago
@Skippyraptor Let's all cry for the Arab's troubles. They can't treat their own people with decency (women or trying to speak out against the government), how can people think that they will want to make peace with someone else.
soshityo 5 days ago
@soshityo Yet we should feel sorry for the Jews, while they commit worldwide genocide by enforcing multiculturalism into white countries (and only white countries) or outright killing and forcing Palestinians into concentration camps, all because of some nonsense they said that happened over sixty years ago, nice try fuckwit, why don't you enlist and die in all the Zionist wars, I hear they need more soldiers to fight Iran in the future.
Skippyraptor 5 days ago
@Skippyraptor agreed a good comment now they want more young people to die in IRAN now i do feel sorry for those soilders i didnt at first but i thought it was their own desire to fight for the US or UK but now they must be sick and tired "cannon fodder"
ExposingJews2012 14 hours ago
@ExposingJews2012 It's never the soldiers fault and we should never insult or berate them for what they have done, they enlist to serve their country, not to go to the opposite side of the world to kill some people that haven't done jack shit, that's why Israel has their own soldiers. But yeah, the soldiers of the US, UK, Australia and other nations are going to be the driving force for taking down the kikes. :)
Skippyraptor 6 hours ago
I see the Zionists are making youtube videos now... Fuck Israel.
weareallanon 1 week ago
@weareallanon Brilliant comment.
soshityo 5 days ago
as long as the q-Ran (flush it) remains on earth there will never be peace wherever muslims (i.e. pig SHIT) live.
mohammmadtouchedboys 1 week ago
@mohammmadtouchedboys Preach your radical fanatical BS somewhere else... You're a Terrorist in the making...
javie2 1 week ago
@mohammmadtouchedboys Sorry just to be clear so muslims are pigs?
TheArchibal 1 week ago
@ST4leave I don't know if you are a Muslim or not, but that is one of the best answers I have ever heard. I bet there are a large amount if muslims who agree with you...but the mIn problem is hamas. The muslims that fall under the leadership of hamas have been brainwashed and lied to so much, they don't even know reality anymore. I would love for there to be peace and 2 stable states in the region, but that can't happen with hamas in power
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist Hamas might be a problem but the biggest threat to the world is the USA Terrorist country that go to foreign countries to rape children and kill civilians...
javie2 1 week ago
@javie2 Yeah, why Muslims have committed those crimes 100% more than we have. Why don't you Muslim scum stop trying to get sympathy from the world?
OzDCreatte0 1 week ago
@OzDCreatte0 joking right?
mahmoud1995 1 week ago
@mahmoud1995 Canadian Harry Potter freak? I'd rather not talk to you. Yeah, they rape more than we do. They kill their civilians more than we do. Why do we get blamed for it? Because you civilians are dumb asses and you people think you know it all.
OzDCreatte0 1 week ago
@OzDCreatte0 Alright smart ass, you would rather not talk to me? but you fucking just did and as for another thing I love when someone takes the time to go on my profile to get some of my "info" and use it against me... the world is fucking corrupt. Every country has a bloody hand and want to talk rape? Poland 1945, Vietnam... Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
mahmoud1995 6 days ago
@mahmoud1995 It just shows how incompetent you people are. 1995, 16 years old? I'm sure you know tons about the world. The Middle East as a whole has more blood on their hands than everyone else. That excludes Israel. None of you like Israel, why? Because they are better than almost everyone else? Like I said, if 1,000 Jews are killed, no one fucking cares, same as Americans. If one fucking Muslim is killed, the world freaks out about it. Please, tell me how that makes sense.
OzDCreatte0 6 days ago
@OzDCreatte0 excludes Israel bahah and lets take your last statement and show you you are fucking wrong. 1 american soldier dies in Iraq or Afghanistan that shit goes all over the news, 5 Muslims die because of accidental fire, nothing it's forgotten about. Americans invaded Iraq for greed of oil and they created the Taliban as a result of the cold war. America has more blood on its hands than anyone else in the 21st century. Deny this you can't. (Excluding Stalin for what he did to his own)
mahmoud1995 6 days ago
@mahmoud1995 If it was greed, we wouldn't have given them the oil WE found for them. If it was for greed, we would take all their oil. Think dumb ass. America isn't a country dumb ass. Actually, we have less that most.
OzDCreatte0 6 days ago
@OzDCreatte0 So your telling me America's only interest in Iraq was shits and giggles and to protect the Iraqi's? NO American doesn't give a rats ass about anyone else, no nation does. Saddam threatened to change the currency in which he sold his oil to the euro no USD, this would have had huge impacts on american society
mahmoud1995 6 days ago
@mahmoud1995 Google Jews against Zionism... The Rothschilds have the US's nut sack in a jar. The US is just a tool for the Zionists to protect their precious Israel, and they will kill as many people as they have to to do so.
weareallanon 4 days ago
@weareallanon LOL nutsack in a jar !
ExposingJews2012 14 hours ago
@OzDCreatte0 My friend u're barking at the wrong Tree. First I'm Catholic, born and raised in a very Catholic country. However, I can provide an objective view to ur dilemma. Let's start with the premise that there is only one Terrorist nation (USA) in the world that has sent its terrorist group (CIA) to different countries in the world including mine to plant bomb and terrorize civilians. So if u want to compare: Any muslim country is a peace loving hippie in comparison with the Terrorist USA.
javie2 1 week ago
@OzDCreatte0 So this is not such much about freedom fighter muslims defending their land from foreign invaders and it's totally about the savage terrorist Americans who went to Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Irak etc... to rape children and kill women... Americans have committed crimes 100,000% more than the Nazis have... I hope you're Not an American...
javie2 1 week ago
@javie2 Defending their land? They aren't defending anything. They just want to terrorize the anyone who isn't their religion. French? lol. I have nothing more to say to you. When your pathetic country decides to get involved in world affairs and stops living off the United States, maybe I will talk to you. All your country, and it's people, do is talk shit about everyone else. Sorry but France isn't even close to being the best.
OzDCreatte0 1 week ago
@javie2 "to rape children and kill women" Yeah, we had to fight your war in Vietnam because your country can't fight lol. Also, what ties do the Muslims have to any of those countries? Are you saying they hate Israel and the rest of the world because of crimes every countries military commits? You my friend are a dumb ass. French soldiers rape women more than our soldiers do. Back then, some officers would shoot you if you did that.
OzDCreatte0 1 week ago
In all honestly can’t we just let the Jews have that little piece of land yes they were stereotypically greedy media run-in Zionist thugs deceitful and wrong in their actions to take that little piece of land which was theirs a long time ago. I’m calling on the Muslims to take the high rode the glory rode and let them be. You Muslims have plenty of oil rich gay lynching Islamic states as it is. I mean doesn’t Allah,(god) rest in your heart not on some dirt and rock.
ST4leave 1 week ago
@ST4leave what an ignorant comment..Muslims were never against the Jews.. Palestinians are the ones who allowed them to live with them. Its the Jews who are committing genocide and want to eradicate the Palestinians.As for the oil comment what about wealthy Jews in U.S and U.K who own majority of the well known companies/corporations, the bankers and the ones in government.
sugagal1000 1 week ago
@ST4leave Its true what Malcom x said: "if your not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
sugagal1000 1 week ago
@sugagal1000 That's great thig malcom said, Malcolm x also wanted racial purity with in the black community, Rockwell the leader of the neo Nazi in America admired Malcolm X on his black on black and white on white ideology on relationships. Also more on rumored side but I wouldn’t completely deny it; they both felt the same about Zionism in America. Muslims have teamed up with The Nazi in ww2; there is supporting evidence that the OK city bomber was trained by al-Qaida. My enemy is your enemy.
ST4leave 1 week ago
@ST4leave You should get your facts right on Malcolm x. Theres a lot of stereotype u refer 2. Y are labelling all Muslims as terrorist with AlQaida. Do have any proof that Muslims teamed up with the Nazi? What about Al Qaida's link with the U.S. I don't see non Muslim countries going into other countries and enforcing their rules and stealing their resources and killing innocent people in the name of democracy.
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ST4leave 1 week ago
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@sugagal1000 For every one, 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian), Just google OK city bomber connection with al qaeda
ST4leave 1 week ago
@ST4leave 13th Waffen SS Mountain Division of the Handscar (1st Croatian) comes to mind, they were one of Himmler's favorite groups
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@harrycox4 Of coarse it's a fake video. No one disputes that. However, the video does have some truth to it. There a thousands of pictures and videos of IDF soldiers getting along with Palestinian children. The situation is unstable over there, but there have been so many instances of individual people working together and showing signs of friendship. I hope for a total peace over there, but that probable won't happen for a long time (not while Hamas is in power)
truthforchrist 1 week ago
fake and gay
harrycox4 1 week ago
i wish that would be reality, but its not
1arschloch1 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos I gave you the reports, and I won't by pasting them again. Everyone saw te names and statements by historians. Those statements and historians are te ones that the UN accepts. They don't accept answering-christianinty as a valid source. Since you are going to continue lieing, I wonder why I even bother continuing this with you
truthforchrist 1 week ago
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EVERYONE
The link Zionist internet trolls fear: Israeli military scholar Martin van Creveld speaking of his Israel's threat to bomb European capitals (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
8tsunami7 1 week ago
That ZionistLiar already knows what my replies will look like proves only that he's used the same tired tatics throughout all of the discussion. He can't just speak of "reports", and then just expect other debaters to accept his bullshit. He needs to prove they exist so others can analyse them, see if the reports are sound, if there have been answers, additions, retractions, etc. But not even name them ZionistBulshitter can do. Zionist paid trolls are just that incompetent.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantosTO EVERYONE: I gave Rafeal the liar the reports. By saying I never mentioned them, he proves that he can't, or wont read. I gave the reports the UN uses, and I trust their legal experts over your his personal opinion. While I am very glad the UN has no real power, and I do think America should leave the UN, I do trust their collective concensus on history over a single user who uses an islamic polemic website as his only source
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist Sure you gave me reports. Go there, if that's true, name them. Name them "again". I F*CKIN* CHALLENGE YOU. You gave no reports, you only gave the names of some Zionist scholars who have no relation whatsoever with the UN, and quoted some bullshit they said and you found on Wikipedia. Not even proving the UN has analysed those Zionist scholars' work you did. Then I crushed you with more recent, accepted scholarship by ISRAELI scholars.
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@8tsunami7
please go to your gay daddy and suck his tiny penis. You will feel better.
MuslimLoveJewishCock 1 week ago
EVERYONE
The link Zionist internet trolls don't want you to see: Israeli military scholar Martin van Creveld speaking of his country's threat to bomb Europe (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos -Walid Shoebat said “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
-Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not"
-Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab "'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it"
truthforchrist 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos-Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel"
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar I'm frankly not interested in Palestinian culture. I was only repeating what I've been told by online friends. And btw, what's all of this bullshit? Whether they have a culture of their own is of no relevance to their land rights. Do you also plan on expelling the Lebanese to Syria as they're supposedly the same? That'd be unfair and illegal; the Lebanese own their country by virtue of right of possession, not b/c of cultural distinctiveness. Same applies to Palestinians.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
Israeli scholar Martin van Creveld on Israel's threat to bomb Europe:
"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force."
Via The Guardian: gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos Since you can't refute my claim that most palestinians left of their own free will and intended to return after the war...lets move on to something that makes you happy...the forced Jewish exodus from arab lands. Let me guess, you are going to tell me that they weren't forced to leave, or that the accepted number (over 800,000) is wrong. Let me also guess, you are going to use answering-christianity as your only source.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lie Please, I have already refuted your crap about the Palestinian exodus by bringing about the Israeli government's OWN files - files that have been analysed by recent scholarship of the New Historians, files that show the IDF played a major role in the exodus and that one of the reasons Israel even failed to reach a peace agreement with Arab states was her refusal to accept the refugees back. How can you say Israel wanted them to stay? What are you, a moron?
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos If palestinians have their own culture, then answer the following question: 1) Why did they not say nothing about West Bank occupation by Jordan from 1949-June 1967? Why did palestinians ONLY start claiming they had a seperate arab identity AFTER 1964? Why didn't any country in the world prior to 1964 every recognize the palestinians as a seperate people?
Stay tuned for part 2 :)
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist (3) As for my sources, it's clear where I've found them: I have even provided links for them or otherwise named them: the Le Monde article on the Palestinian exodus; Avi Shlaim's article "The War of the Israeli Historians" (available online for free); and assorted links on the New Historians (particularly Benny Morris) scholarship and book reviews on their works.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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EVERYONE
Look at LieForZion's attempt at a reply:
1 - hurling anti-Semitism accusations (how creative!);
2 - bringing a/b alleged Jewish exodus from Arab countries, as if two wrongs make a right;
3 - saying Palestinians are Jordanians (why would there even be a Palestinian exodus by Jordanians?).
Anyway, he's lying about the causes of Palestinian exodus. Le Monde article on the that subject: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Israeli scholar on his country's threat to bomb Europe: gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos I've already refuted you when it comes to IDF action causing the Jordinian exodus. However, what you haven't refuted was te fact that virtually ALL Jews in Arab countries were forced to leave their homes. Jordinians (Palestinians are jordinians) mostly left on their own, while Jews were forced to leave. I know that makes you happy since you are a bigot who hates Jews
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lieforzion You've only cited old Zionist historians who have been refuted by post-80s Israeli scholarship, the New Historians' scholarship. All of my sources are much more up to date and recent than yours. And after I refuted you with their aide, you began doubting my reading abilities. You're too stupid and unlearned to create an actual counter-argument. Want me to shove all those sources in your face again? And ofc: the UN reports, where are they? what are they even called?
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos If the sources are out of date, then why does the UN accept them? You will probably have some bullshit answer for that question. You are so very predictable, I can already know what you are going to say. As for the UN reports, I have already given you a small list of them, and I wont be doing that again. If you couldn't read them the first time, then you wont be able to read them the 2nd time.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist PROVE THE UN ACCEPTS THEM. STOP SAYING STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T PROVE, YOU DUMB RASCAL. IS THAT ALL YOU'VE GOT? MINDLESS REPETITION OF THE SAME crap?
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos As for palestinians/jordinians...they are the same and only an idiot would think otherwise. I do doubt your reading ability due to the fact that I had to repeate myself dozens of time...and you still dont understand. Seriously, how do you fail to grasp simple concepts in a language you have been speaking your entire life?
All your info comes from answering-christianity (.) com and that site has admitted to being very biased against Israel
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar I've met a great, bright Palestinians online, and they've all told the same: Palestine has a culture of its own, a culture that is distinct from those of other Arab countries; there are even local cultures that are distinct from one another. And I trust them more than I do an obvious unlearned and confuse troll as yourself. In any event, whether Palestinians share features with Jordanians is irrelavant. Arabs have always lived on both sides of the Dead Sea.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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EVERYONE
The truth about the Palestinian exodus - it was provoked by IDF actions: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Israeli scholar Martin van Creveld admits Israel's threatened to bomb Europe (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos To everyone: this user has said constantly to show him sources that refute him. I gave him 8, and after not being able to refute my sources, he made up bullshit reasons as to why he doesnt "personally" accept them (as if his opinion has any merit in the academic arena). He has been using the same source that answering-christianity uses (an anti Israeli site). He has been caught lieing so many time
truthforchrist 1 week ago
Not personal reasons: I explicitly based my answer on academic work, e.g., Avi Shlaim's. Of Israeli pre-80s history works he's said they're both flawed & self-serving as Zionist scholars lacked sources on facts surrounding the 48 conflict & felt in need to validate their ideology by rewriting history. Shlaim isn't alone. He's part of a group of scholars, the New Historians, who've revisited Zionist myths on the 48 conflict. You even cited one of those scholars, Benny Morris.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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After extensive refutation of Zionist faux-Christian, @truthforchrist, who looks at Wikipedia for sources on the Palestinian conflict, he now resorts, not to arguments, but to insults, to defend Zionist tales on the conflict. But please read the links below:
The Palestinian exodus - it was provoked by IDF actions: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Israeli scholar Martin van Creveld admits Israel's threatened to bomb Europe (via The Guardian): gu.com /p/x2nk6/tw
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos And you have no room to say anyone is using ad hominem attacks. That is something you have been doing and admitting to doing since the very first moment we started our discussion. I have stuck to the facts and other than saying the truth about you (you are a liar, troll and uneducated), I have no resorted to any attacks on your character. You have been exposed again
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar I've admitted to being rude toward you, but my posts can't be limited to that. I've mentioned articles by historians' on the Israeli conflict and produced arguments for my views on it. You by contrast only lie your way into the discussion (f.e., by inventing sources). After I demolished with the aide of academic sources your sole attempt at creating an argument (your 5 parts reply) your sole response has been to doubt my reading ability. What a failure of a troll you're.
8tsunami7 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos LOL! I can do the same thing in any language. I'm replying from my IPhone, but when I get home (God knows when that will be), I will use a Russian translater to do the same thing ( I don't speak Russian, but it will prove you accomplished nothing). Again, you failed so very hard LOL
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar Online translators are rudimentary tools and produce but crude or unaccurate translations. Anyone who speaks Portuguese can see that's not the case for my Portuguese posts. I *am* a native Portuguese speaker. In any event, anyone can google my comments and see that I've been active on Portuguese threads as well.
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This stuff is so easy to verify. I don't even understand why you even try to troll on this. You like being refuted or something?
8tsunami7 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos My username is English, yet English is not my 1st language. Your username is meaningless when it comes to your language. You have been caught lieing aging and again, and debating a liar is not fun. Quit your lieing if you want to continue
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist Meu nome é Rafael Santos. Eu moro em Pernambuco, Brasil. Minha língua mãe é o português, mas sei usar inglês e em certa medida o francês. Minha família é católica, mas desde os 16 de idade tenho sido ateu. Não falo árabe, não sou muçulmano e não tenho nenhuma laço com o Oriente Médio: na verdade, penso que sequer tenha visto alguém dessa região. Falo a favor do povo palestino porque é isso o que é moralmente correto. A verdade é essa, not your vulgar trolling.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos You keep asking for reports, and I gave you 8 reports the UN uses. This is why I told you to get an education. You have been speaking English your entire life, yet you keep asking me for information that i gave you more than once. You struggle with basic reading, which means you are very young, or very uneducated (or both)
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lieforzion I'm tired of your unproven assertions. You haven't given the name of any UN report; you haven't proven the UN's rejected the New Historians' findings (you yourself used one of such sources, a Benny Morris book); and now you say the UN's used your outdated Zionist sources. If I ask you where, I know, based on what I've seen of you that you'll prevericate and will not answer me. Now your thing is to distract through ad hominem though it's you who's getting a beating.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
The faux-Christian liar's saying now that I struggle to understand the concepts he's been using. But what concepts? He's whole participation on this thread can be thus summarized: 1) Speaking of "UN reports" that argue for his case; 2) refusing to name those reports when asked; 3) asking me to debate those reports, even though he refuses to identify them; 4) creating hurting lies a/b me, such as that I approve of anti-Jewish genocides. Those are the "concepts" he's been employing.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
Lots of copypasta lies about muslims here.
Onesimus620 1 week ago
ARE THESE HOLY ACTS WHEN:
1] Muhammad lied that a day of fast is 12 hours instead of 24?
2] Muhammad lied that he was an Arab & Ishmaelite? 2 Father?
3] Muhammad 53 married a BABYwife Aisha 6?
4] Muhammad 25 married a MOTHERwife Khatijah 40?
5] Muhammad put his head upon the thighs of his MENSTRUATING babywife Aisha?
6] Muhammad, after having sexual activities with his MANY OF HIS 30 WIVES, went to masjid to recite prayers WITH HIS CLOTH STAINED WITH SEMEN?
VERIFY@wwwFAITHFREEDOMorg
AMEN
explainsjesus 1 week ago
@finderr5,
I know Jews are intelligent people, but they are all not wise for all Jews NOWADAYS are foolish in that ALL JEWS LACK WISDOM[Proverb 2:6].
WISDOM IS HAVING KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS UNDERSTANDING FROM Elohiym.
FOOLISHNESS IS HAVING KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS UNDERSTANDING FROM RABBI.
An Israelite is one from any of 12 tribes & a Jew does not from his father's tribe, BUT FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH EITHER PARENT!
You erred FOR YOU ASK NOT HaShem WHETHER JESUS IS HIS SON!
MASHIYACH IS JESUS
explainsjesus 1 week ago
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1A@finderr5,U SAID:
"In Judaism your tribe follows your father's ancestry.If Jesus did not have a physical father for God forbid Jeconiah descendant , RIGHT?"
Are you saying HaShem that has the power to create Adam & Eve could not create a conception in the womb of Mary to make Jesus a Jew WITHOUT A JEWISH FATHER, BUT STILL A JEW FROM THE LINEAGE OF MARY?.
WHY DID NOT JEWS ASK HaShem WHETHER THE LINEAGE OF MARY WAS THEN LISTED IN THE BIBLE TO ANSWER foolish JEW LIKE YOU?
MASHIYACH JESUS
explainsjesus 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos It's not that English is not your first language...its fact that you are not smart enough to understand very simple concepts...as evident by your replys. I had to learn english, and I can speak it and undertake better than you...someone who has been speaking it his entire life. Seriously, get an education
truthforchrist 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos I never said they work for the UN. Learn to read and quote correctly. However, the UN accepts these reports, and so many more that I can give you over the 1 source which you desperately cling to. English is your first language you liar (this isn't the first lie of yours I have exposed)
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lieforzion Who can't understand shit is you. If they don't work for the UN, quit saying you have proved the UN's on your side, quit saying you have already given the reports names. If you want me to accept any of that, you can start by naming those shitty reports, if they exist! And you've shown English is my 1st language? How? Just by saying that? Anyone who googles my screen name can find posts of mine in Portuguese, my 1st language. Do you want me to use it in here?
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
3) He says that Israel wanted Palestinians to stay, that they left voluntarily. But according to Israeli Foreign Ministry documents reviewed by Avi Shlaim, Israel didn't want them back, and this refusal was one of the reasons she failed to reach a peace agreement with her Arab neighbors. Moreover, many Israeli leaders of yore, e.g., Moshe Dayan, traced Palestinian anger at Jews to the fact that they had lost their lands to the Jews, which proves the exodus wasn't voluntary.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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Summing up my argument: 1) @truthforchrist cited Zionist scholars who died b4 the debate about Israel's 48 war and the Palestinian exodus, a debate only ignited in the 80s, began. According to Avi Shlaim, those scholars not only ignored the facts behind those events, but were also concerned a/b producing an account morally supportive of Zionism. 2) He in facts cited a book from one scholar, Benny Morris, who refutes his claim that the IDF had nothing to do with the Zionist exodus.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos I meant this: "He in facts cited a book from one scholar, Benny Morris, who refutes his claim that the IDF had nothing to do with the Zionist exodus *Palestinian exodus."
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos 1) your link doesn't work, so you have yet to show 1 source. 2) you keep asking for the reports as to why the UN rejects your claim, yet I gave you 8 3) you seem to struggle with english. Even if I didn't have a source to show you, it wouldn't matter since the UN still rejects your claim
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar 1) My link does work. Do you think people can't see that by themselves? Quit lying. 2) You didn't give me any UN report. You cited some traditional Zionist scholars who did no work for the UN, and a book by one New Historian, Benny Morris, who's the 1st historian to document how IDF actions provoked the Palestinian exodus (though he says that wasn't on purpose). 3) English isn't my first language. And sure, lying ass, prove the UN rejects the claims. Just name the reports.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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EVERYONE
Read this Le Monde article on Palestinian exodus and IDF involvement in it: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Some people want to refute it, either by citing Zionist scholars who died long ago and didn't participate in the current debate on Israeli history; or by citing scholars who in fact contradic their views; or yet by speaking of UN reports whose existence remains unproven. This is the case of @truthforchrist, a Zionist user masked as Christian to troll on discussions a/b Palestine.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos I asked you a dozen times why does the UN reject your claim. I'm still waiting on an answer. Basically, it's still 8 to 0. You did some word play in order to show why you personally don't like the sources, but you didn't refute them. I'm still waiting on 1 source from you :)
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos Wikipedia? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if that is somehow you attempt at refuting something, then you must really be desperate. What's even more funny is you said you have better things to do than watch this thread, yet you still responded quickly
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lyingass After googling your quotes, it's clear where you took them from: Wikipedia. All of your quotes can be found on there. So it's really you who are desperate, son. And sure, you lying piece of shit, I'll with pleasure debate with you why the UN reports have rejected the New Historians' scholarship AS SOON AS YOU NAME THOSE REPORTS, SUPPOSING THEY REALLY EXIST, SO I CAN READ THEM. Whilst you resist to prove their existence, I can't read'em, research a/b them or debate them.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
Some corrections to my previous posts.
On my reply (1), where it's written "In any event, Wikipedia that quote a summary (...)", it should be read that "Wikipedia attributed that quote to a summary by Glazer (...)".
(3), where it's written, "You evenm omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he that view to "Israeli public opinion", it should be read, "You even omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he attributed that view to "Israeli public opinion".
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@LibertyNeedsRestorin It is a common saying. I didn't invent the saying. There is some degree of truth to it due to the fact that Hamas (the elected leaders of Palestine) have said more than once that they plan on wiping Israel off the map
truthforchrist 1 week ago
not even stereotypical.. more just speculation
LibertyNeedsRestorin 1 week ago
@Gfulino There is a saying..."if the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their weapons, they would be wiped off the map.". Palestinians could have had their own state already, but they are not interested in getting along. It would be great if there were peace in the region, but sadly, it won't happen for a long time :(
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist haha that is rediculously stereotypical saying.
LibertyNeedsRestorin 1 week ago
Why can't you fuck shit just be friends? Wait we can humanity is full of hate. Really for fuck sakes. I'm Canadian and I really don't fucking get it... If I was in your shoes, I would take the first step and talk peace not be total dicks. Gosh.
Gfulino 1 week ago
Son of a Zionist BITCHES! FUCK OF THE JEWS!
PARADOXON1987 1 week ago
israel god bless.
Unfappable 1 week ago
@Unfappable good !but God like not killing innocent people.
PappoUncanny 1 week ago
LOL neat. Nice to see this rather than some more awful, ugly satnic lies that palestine and islam puts out about Israel all the time, like they think any body with a brain believe sthem. They who follow the father of lies him self in their belief system, islam. Ya right.
GTCism 1 week ago
Oh give me a fucking break! This is like a slavemaster dancing with a black man after he rapes his wife on the plantation. Zionist bullshit!
Harzburgitic 1 week ago
the american liberals spread multiculturalism to get rid of the white race. the jewish race will die from the jew liberals. i cant wait for payback and there race to die off.
tanker0wns1 1 week ago
Zionistic propaganda - that's what it is .
Oszych2 1 week ago
@eastariel Palestinians have only been a people since 1964. However, the Jews have been there for 3000 years. Arabs have been there for 1300 year. If you take into consideration the migration patterns, intermarriage and other factors...then all the proof shows that The modern day "Palestinians" are very new to the land
truthforchrist 1 week ago
Jews don't understand how do interact with any non Jews without attempting to use them somehow. Usury is in their DNA. & the used must be non Jews.
Friedstuffsable 1 week ago
At first I was like "Psh, hollywood."
But then I was like "d'aaaawwwwwwww"
GonzoForHire991 1 week ago
EVERYONE
Le Monde on Palestinian exodus and IDF involvement in it: tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
Don't trust lies by those who say there are reports and files proving Israel's amy has played no role in the Palestinian exodus, but who, when pressed, are incapable of namimg those sources. Mainstream scholarship produced by the Israeli New Historians has shown what role Jewish military campaings against Arab villages had in the creation of a Jewish majority country. The link above is about that subject.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 1: Schechtman, Kohn, Jon Kymche and Syrkin said in several reports "the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists"
Walid Khalid, an arab, is his report states that the idea of transfering populations was popular among the arabs in palestine
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@liar (1) This crap that Palestinians weren't forced to leave, that many chose to do so, is a claim by traditional Zionist historians that precedes the opening of IDF and Israeli Foreign Ministry files that much of Israeli New History scholarship has been based on. The quote you brought, I bet you took from Wikipedia. In any event, Wikipedia that quote a summary of "the position of Zionist historians", which has been refuted by the likes of Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@liar (2) Based on those files, has argued, as I've told you before, Morris argued that 55% of Palestinian refugees went out of the country b/c of IDF and Jewish terrorist actions: they didn't leave voluntarily. And btw, according to historian Avi Shlaim Ben-Gurion refused to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel's neighbors b/c Arab countries wanted Israel to accept the refugees back. If Israel wanted them to stay in the 1st place, why couldn't she accept them back? And now?
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 2: Peretz and Gabbay both did a joint report that suggested that panic caused the palestinians to flee. The report says"Israeli public opinion has maintained that as the Arabs planned to massacre the Jews, when the Jews began winning the war the Arabs fled, fearing the same treatment would be suffered on them" This means that the Jews did not treat the palestinians the same...but that the arabs THOUGHT they would be treated the same.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lie (3) How sloppy you're. That quote's from Wikipedia, and it's from Glazer, not from Peretz and Gabbay. You evenm omitted how Glazer introduced that quote: he that view to "Israeli public opinion". In any event, this view's addressed by the New Historians, who have departed from the traditional Zionist accounts and have proved Palestinians haven't left out of psychological reasons or b/c they were called out by their leaders.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@lie (4) On his article, the War of the Israeli Historians, Shlaim calls the old scholarship the propaganda of the winners, who, being the victors, take the liberty to present facts in a self-serving fashion. According to "[t]he conventional Zionist account of the 1948 War (...) hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled to the neighbouring Arab states (...) in response to orders from their leaders and despite Jewish pleas to stay (...)".
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@lie (5) "[T]he standard Zionist account of the causes, character, and course of the Arab-Israeli conflict remained largely unchallenged outside the Arab world. The fortieth anniversary of the establishment of the State of Israel, however, was accompanied by the publication of four books by Israeli scholars who challenged the traditional historiography of the birth of the State of Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war."
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@lie (6) "[The new scholarship] presents to the Arabs an account of the conflict which they recognize as honest and genuine (...) instead of the usual propaganda of the victors." In other words, you're just quoting old Zionist propaganda presented as history. Moreover, many statements by Israeli leaders prove the Palestinian exodus was forced. Moshe Dayan, for example, traced Palestinian hostility to Israel to their forced expulsion from their ancestral homeland.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 3: In the book "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", the UK looked at all the records of the refugee problem and concluded that "the exodus was caused by neither Israeli nor Arab policies, but rather was a by-product of the '48 war". This is more proof that arabs werent forced to leave but left when they knew Isreal was going to win the 1948 war. Muslims are such pussies that 4 muslim armies can't beat little tiny Israel.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lie This book you quote was written by Morris, the scholar I've been citing all along and whose existence you ignored b4 I spoke of him. Anyway it's funny you now resort to this view, b/c it directly contradicts your assertion that the Palestinian refugees had never met an IDF soldier. But according to Morris, the Palestinian exodus WAS caused by IDF actions, though he says those actions weren't premeditated ethnic cleansing (a view Norman Finkelstein and others have contested).
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 4: Yosef Weitz wrote a report that is widely used and highly valuable. His report says "Israeli official sources, foreign press, officials present at the time and historians have claimed that the refugee flight was instigated by Arab leaders" and "The migration of the Arabs from the Land of Israel was not caused by persecution, violence, expulsion, it was a tactic of war on the part of the Arabs"
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lie Yosef Weitz died b4 the opening of Israeli govt documents on which the New Historians' review of Israeli history has been based. Stop quoting old historians who were doing nothing but repeat self-serving Zionist tales. The New Historians have proved that BASED OIN IDF AND ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTRY FILES available since the 80s, Palestinians were forced out of their lands by the IDF. This isn't even debated anymore, though some (Morris) say those actions weren't premeditated.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos PART 5: I did plan for a 25 part reponce...but I realised its not worth it unless we have this debate in private message. However, if we did that, then no one would be able to watch you weasle your way out of admitting you were wrong. I gave about 8 sources, and you gave 1 source which is not held as valid. So basically it's 8 to 0, and I can give you about 60 more
Also, the link you gave doesn't work, so you still have yet to give a single example to prove your case
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@zionistliar (9) Funny, you say you have shown the UN is in your side, but ALL of the sources, except for the one I've been using all along, Benny Morris, are traditional Zionist scholars, most of whom died before the latest debate on Israeli history even began - they're definitely not UN reports. How desperate are you to keep lying this way? And btw, WHERE ARE ALL THE F*CKING UN REPORTS? Name them, I challenge you.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos The UN has instructed the entire Middle East to come up with a solution to the refugee problem. Well, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Egypt and Syria have all killed and / or exiled thier Palestinian populations. Only jordan accepted the refugees. Egypt built an apartheid wall between them and Gaza.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@truthforchrist Egypt built an apartheid wall under Israel's request to avoid arms smuggling into the Gaza Strait. And I've never read of massacres against Palestinian refugees taking place in Arab countries. Wait, I know of one: the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon, which took place in Israeli-occupied territory and Israel was involved as an enabler. And BTW, the UN has addressed Israel specifically, and I can prove you that (you know I can).
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@RafaelFernandeSantos Does anyone else find this strange. Rafeal was always quick to reply to me. He proclaimed "victory" in our discussion. Then I provided him with 8 sources to refute him...and now he is no where to be found. He was always quick to respond, and now he wont. I bet he will use either some lame excuse, or he will never return again due to the fact that he is incapable of admitting he was wrong.
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lieforzion I have something better to do with my life other than keep some Youtube thread under my watch 24h a day (I've only seen this message of yours because Youtube notified me through e-mail). I'm both too busy and too lazy right now to reply to your overly long reply, which, by-the-bye, was quite a weak and easily refutable one. But don't hold your breath for too long, I'll kick your lying, trolling ass soon.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@ilovegenocide So I was correct....you did make up an excuse as to why you wont admit to being wrong. SO far, it's my 8 sources to your 0. The UN backs up my claim, and at the same time, rejects your claim.
Next you are going to tell me the palestinians are decendants from people who lived there before the Jews...
...oh wait
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@lieforzion Making up excuse for what? OK, now you succeeded in getting the best of me. You'll have your reply in a few minutes. Just wait. And please, quit being dishonest. I, I, am the only one who cited up to date sources on here - Benny Morris and mind you, I'll cite other Israeli scholars. You can't even name those fake UN reports, dumb shit. You passed the whole evening researching for pro-Israel names to cite on here, how pathetic.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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That Jews acquired Palestine by means of legal purchases is a lie. This is was Sheldon Richman, a Jewish libertarian scholar, has written on the matter:
"The proposed apportionment should be assessed in light of the following facts: (...); by the end of 1947 the percentage of Palestine purchased by Jews was less than 7 percent; Jewish land purchases accounted for only 10 percent of the proposed Jewish state; and Jews made up less than one-third of the population of Palestine."
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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@MAXAREUOS You are correct...a lot of the land was legally purchased by the Jews without incident. The Arabs tried to wiped Israel offend map...they wanted genocide. But after they lost to Israel, the petitioned the UN and wanted their version of "justice"
truthforchrist 1 week ago
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@RafaelFernandeSantos EVERYONE: as you can see, I told this liar to assume that there are no reports. I'm making it very, VERY easy for him to win a debate against me. I then asked him a very simple question...why do historians, legal experts and the UN unanimously disagree with the 1 source that he has desperately been clinging to? After asking him many times, he refuses to answer. He is a master of red herrings, shifting goal posts, and lieing
truthforchrist 1 week ago
@LIE Are you nervous? OK, I misread your previous post, which won't make me forget you owe me those reports' names. Anyway, who told you Morris's findings aren't taken seriously? Prove that. Before this debate you didn't even know who he was and now you wanna rule on his oevre quality and standing? Pathetic. His work is now mainstream history, as is the New Historians'. Google about Palestine's exodus, and you'll see Morris's findings being cited as noncontroversial scholarship.
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
@LIAR
Cont.
The UN itself has asked Israel to fix the refugees problem, which she refuses with the usual excuse that it threatens her security. Do you want me to bring about sites on that? And mind, I can do that. I can reference every single sentence I have said. In contrast to you, I don't invent sources that I can't name afterwards (how pathetic of you, btw! What an inefficient troll).
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago
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(Correction)
Le Monde on Palestinian exodus. tinyurl . com / 2n8xh
RafaelFernandeSantos 1 week ago