Religion is indeed ostensibly advocated by career politicians in so far as it keeps the 'voters' in a servile and readily manipulable state; thus enabling a 'mirage' of Democracy to be perceived. Do you think for one moment your educated 'Senior Leaders' actually believe in a Sky Fairy judging their every thought? Do you think they're unaware of the rich history of diverse myths that were coalesced into their nation's required 'Holy Book'? If you think they truly believe you are very naive!
Religious morality is about control, secular morality is about living together as a society. The Constitution proves ONLY for religious freedom, not for religious bigotry. You may practice your faith but not prevent others from doing the same.
people of the late 1700s had hornbooks and bibles as their school supplies as well as inkwells and quill pens there was no internet,,everyone in the colonies were Christians of some sort but it differed from state to state with up to 13 different protestant churches which acted as modern day lobbies-ts in telling politicians of the will of their congregations and endorsing them....nobody professed "no belief in god" even the witches acknowledged the creator...the never could have imagined ath
Thomas Paine was not a founder nor an American citizen. He wrote his book in France. Even after his death his bones were detested throughout the world. Paine was a Deist but an oddball one in that he hated religion. Paine is most famous for being a staunch Creationist who condemned the French for omitting the Creator from the teaching of science. Now that DNA has proven him right, Europeans and people elsewhere are taking up Creationism.
"I received an answer to my letter, in which the writer says, "Mr. Monroe has told me that he has no order [meaning from the President, Mr. Washington] respecting you, but that he (Mr. Monroe) will do everything in his power to liberate you; but, from what I learn from the Americans lately arrived in Paris, you are NOT considered, either by the American Government, or by the individuals, as an American citizen."
--Thomas Paine (Hater of the founders. crying about being considered NOT American)
RESOLVED, That devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority & just government of ALMIGHTY GOD in ALL the affairs of men -through JESUS CHRIST the SENATE of the UNITED STATES do hereby request the President of the United States by his proclamation to DESIGNATE a day for National Prayer & Humiliation requesting ALL the people of the land unite in keeping the day in solemn communion with the Lord of Hosts supplicating Him to enlighten the counsels & direct the policy of the rulers of the nation
@Mr88playmaker you are correct just to be a diest in those days was controversial a dies basically believed that god created the universe then left us to govern ourselves by leaving some of gods words with prophets and god doesnt intervene directly except for his people
It drives me crazy how people take everything out of historical context. It's simple...The founders knew that the system they set up wouldn't continue to work without an educated and moral populous. They happen to all be religious at the time, but that doesn't mean we should take them for their every LITERAL word, nor should we cast their teachings aside. Remember, they had MUCH more knowledge about tyrannical government (and I would say general history) then all you internet egomaniacs today.
By the way, Mr88, don't bother responding with more bogus and/or irrelevant quotes, or even relevant ones. If you can't make an intelligent argument, stay out of the discussion.
This is not an athiest nation nor irreligious; this nation is Judeo-Christian based. A Godly nation without being a theocracy. A secular society with godly values. It is a determinedly God fearing nation. Every document is signed, In the Year of Our Lord, that Lord being Jesus Christ. What the Founders feared was a Church based government where it was either Protestant or Catholic and the government made the rules of the State Church. Here, it is freedom to worship as one chooses.
@MsSherry9960 Pretty sure no government documents are still signed "In the Year of Our Lord". That they were at the time of the founding of the nation 1) has no significance, it was just a custom at the time, and 2) makes no difference anyway, any more than we are a white nation because the Founders were all white, or a slave nation because slavery was legal at the time.
China and N. Korea are examples of the secular (human rule ) model of government where sinners decide & dole out your so-called "rights" and have the power therefore to taken them away from you whenever they want. OUR founders chose to rest our rights & liberties OUT of the reach of human gov and into the hands of God (our sole legal granter of rights) so that our rights & liberties would be inalienable.
Since the 1960s communists have fought within the courts to remove God from our government as to replace God, our sole legal granter of freedom and rights with human rulers. See: Communist Goals For America.
Many Christians today believe that the Bible predicts that America will cast off God and as a result lose its national sovereignty, freedom etc. just as the founders warned would happen but the Bible is not clear on what will happen specifically to America. It could go either way.
Our Founders explained why we're free, and they explained the key to our remaining free:
"Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government."
--James Madison (Father of the U.S. Constitution)
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
--James Madison (Father of the U.S. Constitution)..
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions ubridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
-- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration Of Independence;
Mr88playmaker, "The United States of America have exhibited...the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men...sufficiently enlightened...disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition...It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven. — John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America"
"A general dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
Our Founders insisted that the preservation of our rights and freedoms RELY on GOD as Supreme Ruler.
The enemies of America KNOW that they MUST make us one nation under MAN.
“My object in life is to DETHRONE God and destroy capitalism” “we are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism.” “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its PATRIOTISM, its MORALITY and its SPIRITUAL LIFE. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”
— Joseph Stalin (Communist Dictator)
“Give me your four year olds, and in a generation I will build a socialist state.” “Destroy the family, you destroy the country.”
The Communists have been indoctrinating Americans to "hate God" and "Turn against religion." Young people especially, who have NO idea how our free institutions of Government are structured, actually think (they've been taught) that there is something secular about being the first nation in human history conceived in liberty and NOT ruled by man. The "hate on God" campaign is not about making them "free-thinkers" it's about taking AWAY ALL of their FREEDOMS, including what they can think.
"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the SAME sentence and under the SAME words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates EITHER throws down the sanctuary which covers the others."
America is founded on the Holy Bible; the laws of God.
"The Law of Nature stands as an eternal rule to all men, legislators as well as others. The rules that they make for other men's actions must be conformable to the Law of Nature, i.e., to the will of God. Laws human must be made according to the general laws of Nature, and without contradiction to any positive law of Scripture, otherwise they are ill made."
By law, no American's rights & liberties are granted by humans. We are a nation founded on our DISTRUST in man. It's why our rights are unalienable. Communists know that the key to our destruction is in removing our official, legal, SOLE granter of rights (GOD) from the collective mind, and thus from our "Under God" structure of Government. That way, into the hands of men we go.
Marxists are ONLY interested in replacing our Granter with what our founders call TYRANNY.
@Mr88playmaker "By law, no American's rights & liberties are granted by humans."
Since laws are devised and enforced by humans, not gods, I must disagree with your assertion. Nor is there anything in the Constitution that says that law comes from gods. No doubt there are laws on the books in some states that assert something of the kind, but they have no force in law greater than any other.
“My object in life is to DETHRONE God and destroy capitalism. We are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism.”
@Mr88playmaker Actually China and North Korea are examples of dictatorships, and historically I have yet to see a country ruled by a religious group that did any better than one ruled by a secular government.
And if you think that having a religion prevents the sort of behavior you see in those countries you mentioned, I refer you to the Inquisition, as well as the barbarisms historically practiced by Christian missionaries all over the world.
Neither China nor N. Korea have inalienable human rights. This is because those governments are secular. Their system does not not officially & legally recognize God (the Creator & Moral Judge of the Universe) as their granter of rights & liberties. Religious people are human (sinners). ANY Government where your rights are decided/doled out by humans is an Under-Man model of gov which equals NO guaranteed rights and liberties. Our founders called such model "the tyranny of man".
@GalapagosPete that is why the government is UNDER GOD.... as service to the people many states required someone who ran for office be of high moral standard a CHRISTIAN but not capitolized, and beyond reproach of only one wife.....much the same as pastors or diceons in the letters of paul for requirements for pastors
@davidscurlock1 "...many states required someone who ran for office be of high moral standard a CHRISTIAN..."
Considering the vast numbers of corrupt politicians in this country at all levels of government, that requirement hasn't seemed to be very effective in ensuring high moral standards; after all, they all claim to be Christians.
@Mr88playmaker China and North Korea are totalitarian regimes; of course they don't recognize human rights, rather like Europe when Christianity was ascendant in government.
And our system does not legally recognize gods either.
lol only watched the thomas jefferson parts this is funny they were deist not christians when he says god. because atheism was hard to believe at that time with lack of education. ALso you have to be relgious to be a patriot well lol that statment is more making fun of relgious people more than anything. You have to be blind to be so patriotic.
Atheists are funny. They're always getting busted for falsifying, revising, misquoting or placing things out of context... all in the name of communism.
Check out this latest failed communist attempt to persuade dumbed-down Americans that we should all replace God (who is our sole legal granter of rights) with sinful human rulers:
@Mr88playmaker "Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy — the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man..." letter from Jefferson to Dr. Joseph Priestley (21 March 1801)
Jefferson was a fan of Christ, but not of religious Christianity. A deist, he did not believe in Christ's divinity.
@Mr88playmaker Following a narrow escape from a shipwreck, Franklin wrote, "...were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build a light-house." – letter to Deborah Read Franklin, 17 July 1757
As for his religious beliefs, he was certainly not a Christian, though like Jefferson, admired the philosophy of Christ; Franklin could perhaps best be described as "generically religious."
@Mr88playmaker "Twenty times, in the course of my late Reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ìThis would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it.î ! ! ! But in this exclamati[on] I should have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." – letter from John Adams to Jefferson, 19 Apr 1817
A Unitarian, Adams also accepted some central Christian tenets.
@Mr88playmaker The quote attributed to Washington is actually from the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797. It is contained in Article 11, "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers."
Article 11 apparently does not appear in the Arab translation(!) but the Senate voted on the English version.
@Mr88playmaker The final Jefferson quote appears to be completely bogus, as it cannot be traced to anything he ever wrote.
All that said, it is clear that 1) many of the Founders and Framers were religious to one degree or another, though not necessarily Christian; and 2) these religious men left any mention of gods out of the US Constitution.
If they had been atheist, I could see that; the fact that religious men felt it was important to found a secular nation says volumes about separation.
The Constitution says "Our Lord" and the men who put together the Constitution also adopted state constitutions where Gov officials had to swear belief in The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Also, NO atheist were allowed to serve in Government anywhere in America, proving that we do not have a secular founded government but one quite the opposite.
According to the founders, America is not founded on religions but on the teachings of the Bible; the laws of God; the Gospel.
@GalapagosPete (QUOTE) "If they had been atheist, I could see that; the fact that religious men felt it was important to found a secular nation says volumes about separation." (END QUOTE)
The fact that either religious or secular men felt it was important to PROHIBIT atheists from serving in government says it all. The fact that religious or secualr men formed a system of government where humans do not grant your rights and liberties is something to ponder at great length.
@Mr88playmaker Where in the Constitution do you think it even implies that atheists should not serve in government?
These men instituted a government that would not also have supreme religious authority, because they understood the danger involved in that combination.
And, practically – if not ethically – speaking, rights and liberties *are* granted by other humans, because they can imprison or kill you to stop you from exercising them.
@GalapagosPete many states had laws on the books where only christians be eligible to serve as elected officials as well as endorsing many christian activities under the government facilities....but now somehow the aclu and other atheistic agencies have made legal precedence with several cases which stretch the first amendment language to its limit toward persecution of christian free expression,,,censoring ,,and blatant hatred toward people who profess to be of the christian persuasion....
@davidscurlock1 So it's OK to have laws that discriminate against atheists, but when a more enlightened society tells you you can't stuff your god-belief down people's throats anymore it's persecution of Christians.
I wonder if 1st-century Christians would feel sorry for poor little you, living in a society that's a mere 85% or so Christian, where your idea of suffering is that you can't discriminate against people who don't believe as you do.
@GalapagosPete this country had much references to GOD in most literature by the Government of the day.. remember that this was during the time of the GREAT AWAKENING the country was in revival and most of the CLERGY were the ones talking most about liberty from england NOT atheists,,,,thats why they say UNDER GOD back then you could be lynched for professing atheism....so now i guess everyone is buying into the public shool systems NEW REWRITTEN american history including all marriges 18 yrs+!
@davidscurlock1 I'm sure that made some sort of coherent sense when it was inside your head, but your went off the rails at the end.
What on Earth do you mean by "NEW REWRITTEN american history including all marriges 18 yrs+!", and what is its relevance to the alleged Christianity of the United States?
I just recently watched an excellent documentary, " The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers", and discovered that the Founding Fathers were all 33rd degree freemasons. They were actually against the true God of the Bible! You will be shocked to discover what the Founding Fathers actually believed in the own words! Please do a search and learn the truth for yourself. Don't follow man...follow the Lord Jesus Christ alone!
When Thomas Jefferson was President his Treaty of Tripoli stated "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion".
I am a brit myself and thus the outsider on this issue, but still, America's core value since its foundation has always been liberty. The right for people to have a choice in how they live their lives. It is still a principle enshrined in your legal system and it is one that has been embraced by many other nations.
Say what you will about it being a christian nation, but when I think of america I don't think about one religion, I think of the freedom its people have to choose their religion
We are not a Christian nation, even if a majority of Americans calls themselves Christians. The United State of America is a democratic republic, meaning we elected our leaders and are governed by the US Constitution. The Constitution gives you the freedom to be a Christian, or any other faith you choice to believe or none at all. And the Constitution makes no reference to any religion and states no religious test for be given for any elected office.
James Madison,Father of the Constitution,Bill of Rights,,Founding Father;"The number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood& the devotion of the people have been manifesrtly increased by THE TOTAL SEPARTATION OF THE CHURCH FROM THE STATE."
Feb,1811,vetoed a bill to give Church funding for schools,etc b/c it violated the 1st amendment,Congress agreed. March,'11, vetoed giving a church governmt land,same reason. Congress debated,+ agreed.
@SoundzRite you tolerate us because this nation was build on that foundation. wow 6 people like that i guess you'll would like anything to make you'll feel better about the truth
Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that ... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.
James Madison wrote in his essay "Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments" that "besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government," there were also indirect dangers relating to the constitutional principle of "separation between Religion and Government."
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." --Direct from the Treaty of Tripoli carried unanimously by the U.S Senate and signed into law by John Adams(your second president) circa 1797. Lol, I didn't even watch this video and I know you're wrong. Stop making selfish assumptions and do some research before you make an ass of yourself any more.
Yeah...even if half of that were true, none of it states we're a Christian nation. you ARE aware half our founding fathers werne't even Christian right?
"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?"
Quoting Thomas Paine? Try this one from the man: ""All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." No truer words were ever spoken. So tell me Mr. Antidote, when you and your fellow zealots take over, how long will you wait before rounding up us godless heathens and throwing us into internment camps in Jesus' holy name?
im betting my lifes savin that if the foundin fathers were to ever rise from the grave and see videos like this, theyd become anti theists, grab torches, and burn christians at the stake.
@EuroPowa The majority of the founding fathers were religious moderates, of those that weren't religious the majority were what some call debonair deists (todays equivalent is an aristocratic atheist) that is to say they thought 'religion is BS, but the common man shouldn't realize this'
The first amendment is mostly enterpreted as free speech. well, before stating speech, they state religion. because religion = thought. thought = IQ. your IQ = 0
Please answer this, anyone, evolution does not teach us that all men are created equal, as a matter of fact, natural selection teaches us otherwise... Without the notion that ALL MEN BY GOD ARE CREATED EQUAL where and how are your rights protected beyond a piece of paper wrote by other men? If these rights are only assumed by men, cannot men take them away? Give me a logical argument as to why mankind is born and has the right be free without the notion of a creator granting these rights?
@WILLTHEWGMAN Yep. All men are created equal. Black slave's are only 3/5 of a person, but all men are created equal. The Native Americans were savages who needed to be civilized by the proud Anglo-Saxon Christians, but all men are created equal. To me, even if every single one of these quotes are accurate, there are irrelevant because this nation's actions speak louder than its words. Anyone with an basic understanding of US history knows that it is anything but Christian.
@WILLTHEWGMAN mankind has the right to be free? says who? yes, rights can be taken away by men , and men had to fight to take them back. if rights were given by god, then only god could rescind them.
evolution and secularism has nothing to do with each other. evolution is not a philosophy. it is a biological process. anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
We are all born of freewill & knowledge of right and wrong. We make slaves of ourselves by the evils of are own kind & by our own freewill from things like hate & envy. With freewill we are born very free. (evolution/secularism) one embraces the theory as fact to, no set of morals beyond society & the here-now. The theory of evolution is void of any logic in the moralities of good vs evil or responsible for a claim to keep any moral code as mankind seems to do this alone.
@WILLTHEWGMAN "I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."--Aristotle. I don't believe in good and evil, funny that I still seem to treat people a lot better than any religious person I've ever met. There is logic to being nice, you know. Have you ever heard of cause and effect? That is fundamental physical certitude, no religious assumptions necessary. Religion is for the weak of mind, conscience and constitution.
It does matter how our basic rights and freedom were assumed and where freedom and equal rights come from. If all men are not created equal by God then only another man gives you your freedom and if only a man gives you freedom then a mere man can take it away. Evolution does not teach us that all men are created equal, as a matter of fact, natural selection teaches us the weak die off..., without the notion that ALL MEN BY GOD ARE CREATED EQUAL these rights are baseless.
No one can claim some reasoning in an obligation to follow any moralities as a value system via science nor can natural selection and equality coincide, to except one is to reject the other. How can evolution bring a value of moralities and equality via natural selection, a non-equality process? How can evolution create such a notion by random chance then have some claim as to an obligation to follow such feelings in moralities by only existing by dumb luck?
In this he cut all the miracles of Jesus out because he did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah and he did not believe in the Trinity!
He aslo stated:
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth... "
1:02 he also said we are "in no way founded on the christian religion. 1:32 he also wrote, "the age of reason" which is against institutionalized religion and the legitimacy of the bible. By the way, neither thomas jefferson nor paine were christians. try again. Thomas jefferson, who drafted the declaration of independence, stated the the establishment clause of the 1st amendment was meant as a " wall of separation between church and state.
A deeply religious society doesn't mean a Christian society. The religion that provided the backbone of the United States evolved from Christianity, but it was not Christianity. It was a superior religion to Christianity founded on moral values, not superstition.
Wow, quote mine FAIL! When Thomas Paine refers to "the Almighty" he isn't talking about Yahweh/Jehovah. I just laugh at Christians when they make leaps of logic like that. Once I heard one say something like, "The founding fathers couldn't have been deists. They refer to the Creator in the Declaration of Independence!" Apparently he had/has no idea what a deist even is, and I suspect the poster of this video either doesn't know or expects his audience to not know.
Odd that the FIRST Amendment to the US Constitution is regarding making no laws respecting religion and that GOD is not mentioned AT ALL in the US Constitution. Religious my ARSE!
America is under attack as never before—not only from terrorists, but from people who provide a rationale for terrorism. Islamic intellectuals declare America the “Great Satan.” Europeans rail against American “globalism” as embodied by McDonald’s.
- “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion”” - George Washington
You want to pretend the US was formed as a "Christian Nation"? Fine. You are a liar. A liar for your religion. Pretend the First Amendment allows for Christianity to be recognized as the national religion. But you are a liar. You are lying for your religion.
Point blank : Believe the bible and you are clearly following false prophets. You will burn in hell.
Have you never heard of Thomas Paine's second most famous work, The Age of Reason? You know, the one where he tears Christian dogma, organization, belief structure, and the Bible to absolute shreds. Paine was a deist, a fierce one who believed that Christianity was a perversion of the mind that should be purged from the earth, and in no way should any of his words ever be attributed to endorsing the concept of a Christian nation.
@videodog52 you really should look up quotes about christianity from thomas jefferson, thomas paine, and my favorite founding father james madison. you will undoubtedly find that that most not all of our founding fathers abhorred christianity. its as plain as day. and anyone who looks at their writings will know, type it into google, see what you find, and then think about your "historically illiterate" comment.
TheAtheistAntidote is a self-hating closet atheist. Subconsciously, he already knows that his religion is nothing more than a bastardized form of Mithralism, Zoroastrianism, and the ancient Egyptian religions (Horus); the stories are exactly the fucking same, and it all comes from the same region. TheAtheistAntidote KNOWS deep down that Moses saw nothing but a smoking volcano on that mountain, not a god, and that he was revered by his primitive tribe because brave enough to check it out.
Do you know when the US added In god we trust and one nation under god phrases? I am a coin collector and I can tell you there is no god junk on early American coins. Do you know when we adopted separation of Church and state? Look it up than remake your vid.
@dpfindgod said (QUOTE) "I am a coin collector and I can tell you there is no god junk on early American coins." (END QUOTE)
Hey, IN GOD WE TRUST’ first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin. Yep, Congress ordered it so.
Check the Journals of Congress. Also, get the 1864 coin for your collection!
By the way, in 1814, in the 4th stanza of what would become America's National Anthem ("The Star Spangled Banner") author Francis Scott Keys clearly writes: “And this be our motto: ‘IN GOD IS OUR TRUST”.
A couple of things: "In God we Trust" is a very general term and doesn't necessarily mean one much follow the Christian God. Second, the founder fathers were very smart men, but they were also victims of their own time period and very hypocritical. I guess because the founding fathers owned slaves means we should too. They also ordered the killing and raping of the Native Americans. I guess we should do that too. Why isn't that our slogan? "We are a nation who kills and rapes the innocent".
Dont hate me because i believe in science!this video was designed to get you emotionaly invested. "But let us save a step and assume the universe was always here" - Carl Sagen
Pious fraud, yes he knows he is presenting twisted bits a pieces, but in his mind that is OK as long as the cause is "good". this will FAIL.
To even mention Thomas Jefferson is funny as any research into Jefferson will bring up facts that Brock should be embarrassed by, but of course he will never even think twice about the fraud.
1. KNOWS he's outright lying about what he's saying. He could not have possibly done the research to quote-mine what he needed for this vid and not know he is lying his ass off.
2. Has a true and remarkable talent for twisting, contorting, distorting, and turning history on its head.
Look at all the quote-mines... even given his best almighty effort, not one single example of a founding father saying "WE NEED JESUS" - but only referencing God / Religion.
Not one single time in all those quotes reference Jesus, Christianity, the Holy Trinity, Mother Mary, or any other reference that could -=possibly=- be construed as an endorsement of a "Christian Nation".
Going only on the quotes given, we could very well believe America should be an Islamic, Jewish, or Hindu state.
AronRa had it right. You cannot be a creationist and not be dishonest.
The usa was founded on any religion King george the 3rd said that the pilgrums could come over to america and start their own religion however the pilgrums had in mind to practice religion free of the king also it was freedom of religion *Any religion you wanted* Only problem was the pilgrums choose christian belief and it went off like that this nation is still founded under any religion and if I'm wrong then we have freedom of religion 1st amendment, people warp the truth about alot of things.
layhoo, that's probably a rhetorical question but still: No, not in the relatively modern sense of founding a nation.
Technologically far behind Europeans in development, there were several native "nations" that sometimes fought each other over territory, for hunting, etc.
Unfortunately for them, the "Christian values" of don't steal, kill, rape, do other bad things were not applied to them.
When Texas seceded from the Union in March 1861, its secession declaration was entirely about one subject: slavery. It said that Thomas Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence in 1776 -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" -- were "the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color . . . a doctrine at war with nature . . . and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law."
No, it was and is a Christian nation. It is just not a theocracy. Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion although you are free to not have religion as well.
Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Atheist... ALL of these faiths have been with us since the time of the founding fathers. Calling this a Christian nation makes no more sense that calling it a white nation.
A lot of people say "this is a Christian nation" to imply that Christianity has, or should have, some special status. It doesn't, and it shouldn't.
Your first statement in the video is "The founders never wanted to establish a secular nation." That is demonstrably false, not only in the Constitution itself, but in all of the documents left from discussions from the Constitutional Convention. The delegates intentionally instituted a secular state.
Of course the founders did not want a theocracy, so of course the instituted protections against this. At the same time they never wanted to kick religion out of the country or government, just to limit its power on matters of state.
I didn't insult him. I informed him that I'm aware that he lies, and that he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Thats not an insult. Its just the truth.
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
The world--and not just America--is circling the drain because of people like this: i.e. the ignorant. How is it that those who declare the loudest their love of our country can also be the ones who know the least about it.
I must give you credit for leaving the comments open (even if not the ratings) and allowing discussion on this topic, but the discourse seems 1-sided.
"The Civil Rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, nor on any pretext infringed..."
There is only one quote in this video that mentions Christianity specifically.
Is the purpose of your video to support the idea that the constitution does NOT grant all citizens the FREEDOM to worship (or NOT WORSHIP) as they choose?
Christianity has one unique tenant. To be Christian one must believe that Jesus is the son of God and that He is Himself a deity. Believing this is not the law in the US. Consequently, this is NOT by any means a Christian nation.
Deists believed in a God too.
jfsfrnd 10 hours ago
Religion is indeed ostensibly advocated by career politicians in so far as it keeps the 'voters' in a servile and readily manipulable state; thus enabling a 'mirage' of Democracy to be perceived. Do you think for one moment your educated 'Senior Leaders' actually believe in a Sky Fairy judging their every thought? Do you think they're unaware of the rich history of diverse myths that were coalesced into their nation's required 'Holy Book'? If you think they truly believe you are very naive!
RohypGnosis 14 hours ago
Religious morality is about control, secular morality is about living together as a society. The Constitution proves ONLY for religious freedom, not for religious bigotry. You may practice your faith but not prevent others from doing the same.
GRasputin91 2 weeks ago
people of the late 1700s had hornbooks and bibles as their school supplies as well as inkwells and quill pens there was no internet,,everyone in the colonies were Christians of some sort but it differed from state to state with up to 13 different protestant churches which acted as modern day lobbies-ts in telling politicians of the will of their congregations and endorsing them....nobody professed "no belief in god" even the witches acknowledged the creator...the never could have imagined ath
davidscurlock1 1 month ago
Thomas Paine was not a founder nor an American citizen. He wrote his book in France. Even after his death his bones were detested throughout the world. Paine was a Deist but an oddball one in that he hated religion. Paine is most famous for being a staunch Creationist who condemned the French for omitting the Creator from the teaching of science. Now that DNA has proven him right, Europeans and people elsewhere are taking up Creationism.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
"I received an answer to my letter, in which the writer says, "Mr. Monroe has told me that he has no order [meaning from the President, Mr. Washington] respecting you, but that he (Mr. Monroe) will do everything in his power to liberate you; but, from what I learn from the Americans lately arrived in Paris, you are NOT considered, either by the American Government, or by the individuals, as an American citizen."
--Thomas Paine (Hater of the founders. crying about being considered NOT American)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
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Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
1863
RESOLVED, That devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority & just government of ALMIGHTY GOD in ALL the affairs of men -through JESUS CHRIST the SENATE of the UNITED STATES do hereby request the President of the United States by his proclamation to DESIGNATE a day for National Prayer & Humiliation requesting ALL the people of the land unite in keeping the day in solemn communion with the Lord of Hosts supplicating Him to enlighten the counsels & direct the policy of the rulers of the nation
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker you are correct just to be a diest in those days was controversial a dies basically believed that god created the universe then left us to govern ourselves by leaving some of gods words with prophets and god doesnt intervene directly except for his people
davidscurlock1 1 month ago
It drives me crazy how people take everything out of historical context. It's simple...The founders knew that the system they set up wouldn't continue to work without an educated and moral populous. They happen to all be religious at the time, but that doesn't mean we should take them for their every LITERAL word, nor should we cast their teachings aside. Remember, they had MUCH more knowledge about tyrannical government (and I would say general history) then all you internet egomaniacs today.
skypilot805 3 months ago
By the way, Mr88, don't bother responding with more bogus and/or irrelevant quotes, or even relevant ones. If you can't make an intelligent argument, stay out of the discussion.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
This is not an athiest nation nor irreligious; this nation is Judeo-Christian based. A Godly nation without being a theocracy. A secular society with godly values. It is a determinedly God fearing nation. Every document is signed, In the Year of Our Lord, that Lord being Jesus Christ. What the Founders feared was a Church based government where it was either Protestant or Catholic and the government made the rules of the State Church. Here, it is freedom to worship as one chooses.
MsSherry9960 3 months ago
@MsSherry9960 Pretty sure no government documents are still signed "In the Year of Our Lord". That they were at the time of the founding of the nation 1) has no significance, it was just a custom at the time, and 2) makes no difference anyway, any more than we are a white nation because the Founders were all white, or a slave nation because slavery was legal at the time.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
China and N. Korea are examples of the secular (human rule ) model of government where sinners decide & dole out your so-called "rights" and have the power therefore to taken them away from you whenever they want. OUR founders chose to rest our rights & liberties OUT of the reach of human gov and into the hands of God (our sole legal granter of rights) so that our rights & liberties would be inalienable.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
Since the 1960s communists have fought within the courts to remove God from our government as to replace God, our sole legal granter of freedom and rights with human rulers. See: Communist Goals For America.
Many Christians today believe that the Bible predicts that America will cast off God and as a result lose its national sovereignty, freedom etc. just as the founders warned would happen but the Bible is not clear on what will happen specifically to America. It could go either way.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "Many Christians today believe..."
What "many Christians today believe" has nothing to do with what is true.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
Our Founders explained why we're free, and they explained the key to our remaining free:
"Religion is the basis and Foundation of Government."
--James Madison (Father of the U.S. Constitution)
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
--James Madison (Father of the U.S. Constitution)..
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "Religion is the basis..." ""We have staked the whole future of American civilization..."
Your Madison quotes are fictitious. He never said those things, or if he did, they have disappeared from history.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions ubridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
-- John Adams (Signer of the Declaration Of Independence;
One [of two] signers of the Bill Of Rights)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
Mr88playmaker, "The United States of America have exhibited...the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men...sufficiently enlightened...disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition...It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven. — John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America"
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
"A general dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security."
--Sam Adams
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Sam Adams' quote has nothing to do with religion.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
Our Founders insisted that the preservation of our rights and freedoms RELY on GOD as Supreme Ruler.
The enemies of America KNOW that they MUST make us one nation under MAN.
“My object in life is to DETHRONE God and destroy capitalism” “we are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism.” “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”
— Karl Marx (Father of Communism)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
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@Mr88playmaker "Our Founders insisted that the preservation of our rights and freedoms RELY on GOD as Supreme Ruler."
That's nice, but it isn't anywhere in the Constitution.
"“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”"
Peace is the absence of opposition to anything, isn't it?
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
Christian Gov. model vs. Atheist Gov. model:
“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its PATRIOTISM, its MORALITY and its SPIRITUAL LIFE. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”
— Joseph Stalin (Communist Dictator)
“Give me your four year olds, and in a generation I will build a socialist state.” “Destroy the family, you destroy the country.”
— Vladimir Lenin (Communist Dictator)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Who cares? Even if they said those things, they're dead, their system is a failure.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
The Communists have been indoctrinating Americans to "hate God" and "Turn against religion." Young people especially, who have NO idea how our free institutions of Government are structured, actually think (they've been taught) that there is something secular about being the first nation in human history conceived in liberty and NOT ruled by man. The "hate on God" campaign is not about making them "free-thinkers" it's about taking AWAY ALL of their FREEDOMS, including what they can think.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "...conceived in liberty and NOT ruled by man"
I'm afraid I have to tell you that there are no countries not ruled by a human.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the SAME sentence and under the SAME words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates EITHER throws down the sanctuary which covers the others."
--Thomas Jefferson
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
America is founded on the Holy Bible; the laws of God.
"The Law of Nature stands as an eternal rule to all men, legislators as well as others. The rules that they make for other men's actions must be conformable to the Law of Nature, i.e., to the will of God. Laws human must be made according to the general laws of Nature, and without contradiction to any positive law of Scripture, otherwise they are ill made."
--John Locke (Two Treatises on Government)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker John Locke was neither a Founder nor a Framer. The Framers made a point of leaving religion out of the Constitution.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
By law, no American's rights & liberties are granted by humans. We are a nation founded on our DISTRUST in man. It's why our rights are unalienable. Communists know that the key to our destruction is in removing our official, legal, SOLE granter of rights (GOD) from the collective mind, and thus from our "Under God" structure of Government. That way, into the hands of men we go.
Marxists are ONLY interested in replacing our Granter with what our founders call TYRANNY.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "By law, no American's rights & liberties are granted by humans."
Since laws are devised and enforced by humans, not gods, I must disagree with your assertion. Nor is there anything in the Constitution that says that law comes from gods. No doubt there are laws on the books in some states that assert something of the kind, but they have no force in law greater than any other.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
“My object in life is to DETHRONE God and destroy capitalism. We are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism.”
— Karl Marx (Father of Communism)
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Citation for that quote?
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "OUR founders chose..."
Nope, sorry, they didn't. This is a secular society. If it were a religious society, church services would be mandatory.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Actually China and North Korea are examples of dictatorships, and historically I have yet to see a country ruled by a religious group that did any better than one ruled by a secular government.
And if you think that having a religion prevents the sort of behavior you see in those countries you mentioned, I refer you to the Inquisition, as well as the barbarisms historically practiced by Christian missionaries all over the world.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
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Neither China nor N. Korea have inalienable human rights. This is because those governments are secular. Their system does not not officially & legally recognize God (the Creator & Moral Judge of the Universe) as their granter of rights & liberties. Religious people are human (sinners). ANY Government where your rights are decided/doled out by humans is an Under-Man model of gov which equals NO guaranteed rights and liberties. Our founders called such model "the tyranny of man".
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
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GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@GalapagosPete that is why the government is UNDER GOD.... as service to the people many states required someone who ran for office be of high moral standard a CHRISTIAN but not capitolized, and beyond reproach of only one wife.....much the same as pastors or diceons in the letters of paul for requirements for pastors
davidscurlock1 1 month ago
@davidscurlock1 "...many states required someone who ran for office be of high moral standard a CHRISTIAN..."
Considering the vast numbers of corrupt politicians in this country at all levels of government, that requirement hasn't seemed to be very effective in ensuring high moral standards; after all, they all claim to be Christians.
GalapagosPete 1 month ago
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@Mr88playmaker China and North Korea are totalitarian regimes; of course they don't recognize human rights, rather like Europe when Christianity was ascendant in government.
And our system does not legally recognize gods either.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
lol only watched the thomas jefferson parts this is funny they were deist not christians when he says god. because atheism was hard to believe at that time with lack of education. ALso you have to be relgious to be a patriot well lol that statment is more making fun of relgious people more than anything. You have to be blind to be so patriotic.
Dubzeppelin 3 months ago
Take a look at thease quotes!
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man" - Thomas Jefferson
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches" - Benjamin Franklin
"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it" - John Adams
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - George Washington
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies" - Thomas Jefferson
Zicko1000 4 months ago
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Atheists are funny. They're always getting busted for falsifying, revising, misquoting or placing things out of context... all in the name of communism.
Check out this latest failed communist attempt to persuade dumbed-down Americans that we should all replace God (who is our sole legal granter of rights) with sinful human rulers:
watch?v=MrSPnSzaSm0
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy — the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man..." letter from Jefferson to Dr. Joseph Priestley (21 March 1801)
Jefferson was a fan of Christ, but not of religious Christianity. A deist, he did not believe in Christ's divinity.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Following a narrow escape from a shipwreck, Franklin wrote, "...were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build a light-house." – letter to Deborah Read Franklin, 17 July 1757
As for his religious beliefs, he was certainly not a Christian, though like Jefferson, admired the philosophy of Christ; Franklin could perhaps best be described as "generically religious."
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker "Twenty times, in the course of my late Reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ìThis would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it.î ! ! ! But in this exclamati[on] I should have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." – letter from John Adams to Jefferson, 19 Apr 1817
A Unitarian, Adams also accepted some central Christian tenets.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker The quote attributed to Washington is actually from the Treaty of Tripoli, 1797. It is contained in Article 11, "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers."
Article 11 apparently does not appear in the Arab translation(!) but the Senate voted on the English version.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker The final Jefferson quote appears to be completely bogus, as it cannot be traced to anything he ever wrote.
All that said, it is clear that 1) many of the Founders and Framers were religious to one degree or another, though not necessarily Christian; and 2) these religious men left any mention of gods out of the US Constitution.
If they had been atheist, I could see that; the fact that religious men felt it was important to found a secular nation says volumes about separation.
GalapagosPete 3 months ago
@GalapagosPete
The Constitution says "Our Lord" and the men who put together the Constitution also adopted state constitutions where Gov officials had to swear belief in The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Also, NO atheist were allowed to serve in Government anywhere in America, proving that we do not have a secular founded government but one quite the opposite.
According to the founders, America is not founded on religions but on the teachings of the Bible; the laws of God; the Gospel.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@GalapagosPete (QUOTE) "If they had been atheist, I could see that; the fact that religious men felt it was important to found a secular nation says volumes about separation." (END QUOTE)
The fact that either religious or secular men felt it was important to PROHIBIT atheists from serving in government says it all. The fact that religious or secualr men formed a system of government where humans do not grant your rights and liberties is something to ponder at great length.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
@Mr88playmaker Where in the Constitution do you think it even implies that atheists should not serve in government?
These men instituted a government that would not also have supreme religious authority, because they understood the danger involved in that combination.
And, practically – if not ethically – speaking, rights and liberties *are* granted by other humans, because they can imprison or kill you to stop you from exercising them.
GalapagosPete 1 month ago
@GalapagosPete many states had laws on the books where only christians be eligible to serve as elected officials as well as endorsing many christian activities under the government facilities....but now somehow the aclu and other atheistic agencies have made legal precedence with several cases which stretch the first amendment language to its limit toward persecution of christian free expression,,,censoring ,,and blatant hatred toward people who profess to be of the christian persuasion....
davidscurlock1 1 month ago
@davidscurlock1 So it's OK to have laws that discriminate against atheists, but when a more enlightened society tells you you can't stuff your god-belief down people's throats anymore it's persecution of Christians.
I wonder if 1st-century Christians would feel sorry for poor little you, living in a society that's a mere 85% or so Christian, where your idea of suffering is that you can't discriminate against people who don't believe as you do.
You're a hypocrite.
GalapagosPete 1 month ago
@GalapagosPete this country had much references to GOD in most literature by the Government of the day.. remember that this was during the time of the GREAT AWAKENING the country was in revival and most of the CLERGY were the ones talking most about liberty from england NOT atheists,,,,thats why they say UNDER GOD back then you could be lynched for professing atheism....so now i guess everyone is buying into the public shool systems NEW REWRITTEN american history including all marriges 18 yrs+!
davidscurlock1 1 month ago
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@davidscurlock1 I'm sure that made some sort of coherent sense when it was inside your head, but your went off the rails at the end.
What on Earth do you mean by "NEW REWRITTEN american history including all marriges 18 yrs+!", and what is its relevance to the alleged Christianity of the United States?
GalapagosPete 1 month ago
One of the sole purposes of creating independence for this nation was part of the First Amendment: Freedom of religion.
The idea that this was founded as a Christian-only nation would only cancel out the very mission they were embarking on in the first place.
However, was this nation founded BY Christians? Sure.
PicturaSonus 6 months ago
@PicturaSonus
more like founded by protestants, since those that founded did flee the Church of England.
However, the Framers didn't want a single religion to dominate the country, as that would be just as worse as the Church of England.
TheChoujinVirus 5 months ago
"In God We Trust" was added in 1954.Get your facts straight.Oh wait..You prefer lying.
Stevoukos 6 months ago
Another video that is about this man's irrational lying about his version of history....and hes a christian so lying is his nature now.
Killer0fTheSun 7 months ago
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I just recently watched an excellent documentary, " The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers", and discovered that the Founding Fathers were all 33rd degree freemasons. They were actually against the true God of the Bible! You will be shocked to discover what the Founding Fathers actually believed in the own words! Please do a search and learn the truth for yourself. Don't follow man...follow the Lord Jesus Christ alone!
shiphrahhopeful 7 months ago
When Thomas Jefferson was President his Treaty of Tripoli stated "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion".
orbital40k 8 months ago
I am a brit myself and thus the outsider on this issue, but still, America's core value since its foundation has always been liberty. The right for people to have a choice in how they live their lives. It is still a principle enshrined in your legal system and it is one that has been embraced by many other nations.
Say what you will about it being a christian nation, but when I think of america I don't think about one religion, I think of the freedom its people have to choose their religion
Papped1710 9 months ago 2
We are not a Christian nation, even if a majority of Americans calls themselves Christians. The United State of America is a democratic republic, meaning we elected our leaders and are governed by the US Constitution. The Constitution gives you the freedom to be a Christian, or any other faith you choice to believe or none at all. And the Constitution makes no reference to any religion and states no religious test for be given for any elected office.
thesageofohio 9 months ago
James Madison,Father of the Constitution,Bill of Rights,,Founding Father;"The number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood& the devotion of the people have been manifesrtly increased by THE TOTAL SEPARTATION OF THE CHURCH FROM THE STATE."
Feb,1811,vetoed a bill to give Church funding for schools,etc b/c it violated the 1st amendment,Congress agreed. March,'11, vetoed giving a church governmt land,same reason. Congress debated,+ agreed.
seekertrth 10 months ago
You're such a tool...
uvauva2 11 months ago
No, this is not a Christian nation. You are a Christian and we tolerate you.
SoundzRite 1 year ago 7
@SoundzRite you tolerate us because this nation was build on that foundation. wow 6 people like that i guess you'll would like anything to make you'll feel better about the truth
jamesbamaboi 2 months ago
Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that ... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.
-- Thomas Jefferson
NoFearOfGod 1 year ago
James Madison wrote in his essay "Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments" that "besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government," there were also indirect dangers relating to the constitutional principle of "separation between Religion and Government."
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
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Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
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from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
jfsfrnd 1 year ago
im sick of this "america is christian" bullshit! im an american. and im a deist! fuck religion! fuck these ignorant bastards!
ambush9090 1 year ago
@ambush9090 hell yeah!
detheditor 1 year ago
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." --Direct from the Treaty of Tripoli carried unanimously by the U.S Senate and signed into law by John Adams(your second president) circa 1797. Lol, I didn't even watch this video and I know you're wrong. Stop making selfish assumptions and do some research before you make an ass of yourself any more.
FuckFacts 1 year ago
If America is a Christian nation, then Saudi Arabia is a secular nation.
YoshiTheBlue 1 year ago
Yeah...even if half of that were true, none of it states we're a Christian nation. you ARE aware half our founding fathers werne't even Christian right?
BigLundi 1 year ago
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"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?"
~Thomas Jefferson
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
i think the founding fathers, while not wanting to eliminate religion from the American way of life, did want to create a secular government.
avalsonline2 1 year ago
Umm.. why is there separation from church and State?
SleepingxWithxGhosts 1 year ago
Quoting Thomas Paine? Try this one from the man: ""All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." No truer words were ever spoken. So tell me Mr. Antidote, when you and your fellow zealots take over, how long will you wait before rounding up us godless heathens and throwing us into internment camps in Jesus' holy name?
beerbrain420 1 year ago
we are secular, get over it
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
im betting my lifes savin that if the foundin fathers were to ever rise from the grave and see videos like this, theyd become anti theists, grab torches, and burn christians at the stake.
Extra365 1 year ago
My gods man, Paine advocating teaching science as a way to understand god, I'm an atheist & I agree with the sentiment..
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
The founding fathers hated religon, most of them did anyway.
This is just sad to watch.
EuroPowa 1 year ago
@EuroPowa The majority of the founding fathers were religious moderates, of those that weren't religious the majority were what some call debonair deists (todays equivalent is an aristocratic atheist) that is to say they thought 'religion is BS, but the common man shouldn't realize this'
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
The first amendment is mostly enterpreted as free speech. well, before stating speech, they state religion. because religion = thought. thought = IQ. your IQ = 0
narutokiller9 1 year ago
your christian nation was founded by atheists and agnostics mate... your a moron least try and do some reasearch before doying a video
VelvetTearsNana 1 year ago
interesting, a christian nation with a secular government.
long live the SECULAR government.
epshot 1 year ago
As bookwormsrcool said, "Ratings disabled. 'Nuff said."
What are you so afraid of?
mlr2112 1 year ago
Please answer this, anyone, evolution does not teach us that all men are created equal, as a matter of fact, natural selection teaches us otherwise... Without the notion that ALL MEN BY GOD ARE CREATED EQUAL where and how are your rights protected beyond a piece of paper wrote by other men? If these rights are only assumed by men, cannot men take them away? Give me a logical argument as to why mankind is born and has the right be free without the notion of a creator granting these rights?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Yep. All men are created equal. Black slave's are only 3/5 of a person, but all men are created equal. The Native Americans were savages who needed to be civilized by the proud Anglo-Saxon Christians, but all men are created equal. To me, even if every single one of these quotes are accurate, there are irrelevant because this nation's actions speak louder than its words. Anyone with an basic understanding of US history knows that it is anything but Christian.
pernch 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN mankind has the right to be free? says who? yes, rights can be taken away by men , and men had to fight to take them back. if rights were given by god, then only god could rescind them.
evolution and secularism has nothing to do with each other. evolution is not a philosophy. it is a biological process. anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
avalsonline2 1 year ago
@avalsonline2
We are all born of freewill & knowledge of right and wrong. We make slaves of ourselves by the evils of are own kind & by our own freewill from things like hate & envy. With freewill we are born very free. (evolution/secularism) one embraces the theory as fact to, no set of morals beyond society & the here-now. The theory of evolution is void of any logic in the moralities of good vs evil or responsible for a claim to keep any moral code as mankind seems to do this alone.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN "I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."--Aristotle. I don't believe in good and evil, funny that I still seem to treat people a lot better than any religious person I've ever met. There is logic to being nice, you know. Have you ever heard of cause and effect? That is fundamental physical certitude, no religious assumptions necessary. Religion is for the weak of mind, conscience and constitution.
FuckFacts 1 year ago
It does matter how our basic rights and freedom were assumed and where freedom and equal rights come from. If all men are not created equal by God then only another man gives you your freedom and if only a man gives you freedom then a mere man can take it away. Evolution does not teach us that all men are created equal, as a matter of fact, natural selection teaches us the weak die off..., without the notion that ALL MEN BY GOD ARE CREATED EQUAL these rights are baseless.
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN
That is not what natural selection "teaches us".
SnApLiTs 1 year ago
@SnApLiTs
No one can claim some reasoning in an obligation to follow any moralities as a value system via science nor can natural selection and equality coincide, to except one is to reject the other. How can evolution bring a value of moralities and equality via natural selection, a non-equality process? How can evolution create such a notion by random chance then have some claim as to an obligation to follow such feelings in moralities by only existing by dumb luck?
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN
You were misrepresenting natural selection in your original post.
"natural selection teaches us the weak die off..."
That is not what natural selection "teaches us".
SnApLiTs 1 year ago
Ever heard of the "Jefferson Bible"?
In this he cut all the miracles of Jesus out because he did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah and he did not believe in the Trinity!
He aslo stated:
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth... "
auritone 1 year ago
You are a deceitful liar
lmhjs1000 1 year ago
1:02 he also said we are "in no way founded on the christian religion. 1:32 he also wrote, "the age of reason" which is against institutionalized religion and the legitimacy of the bible. By the way, neither thomas jefferson nor paine were christians. try again. Thomas jefferson, who drafted the declaration of independence, stated the the establishment clause of the 1st amendment was meant as a " wall of separation between church and state.
sunset261 1 year ago
What is it about living in the middle of the country that makes you so bat shit insane?
5N4n 1 year ago 2
PUNKED BEEEEAAATTTTCCCCHHHHH.
robbugman 1 year ago
@0:19,
A deeply religious society doesn't mean a Christian society. The religion that provided the backbone of the United States evolved from Christianity, but it was not Christianity. It was a superior religion to Christianity founded on moral values, not superstition.
@0:23,
That was added in the 1950s by an atheist, Dwight Eisenhower.
Most of those quotes referred to religion and not Christianity.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
Wow, quote mine FAIL! When Thomas Paine refers to "the Almighty" he isn't talking about Yahweh/Jehovah. I just laugh at Christians when they make leaps of logic like that. Once I heard one say something like, "The founding fathers couldn't have been deists. They refer to the Creator in the Declaration of Independence!" Apparently he had/has no idea what a deist even is, and I suspect the poster of this video either doesn't know or expects his audience to not know.
lgbuzals 1 year ago
Odd that the FIRST Amendment to the US Constitution is regarding making no laws respecting religion and that GOD is not mentioned AT ALL in the US Constitution. Religious my ARSE!
epanek 1 year ago
Thomas Jefferson
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
MrBossnagger 1 year ago
WHAT’S SO GREAT ABOUT AMERICA
by Dinesh D'Souza
From the book jacket:
America is under attack as never before—not only from terrorists, but from people who provide a rationale for terrorism. Islamic intellectuals declare America the “Great Satan.” Europeans rail against American “globalism” as embodied by McDonald’s.
macbride33 1 year ago
Great Vid!!
macbride33 1 year ago
You are lying.
- “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion”” - George Washington
You want to pretend the US was formed as a "Christian Nation"? Fine. You are a liar. A liar for your religion. Pretend the First Amendment allows for Christianity to be recognized as the national religion. But you are a liar. You are lying for your religion.
Point blank : Believe the bible and you are clearly following false prophets. You will burn in hell.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
Have you never heard of Thomas Paine's second most famous work, The Age of Reason? You know, the one where he tears Christian dogma, organization, belief structure, and the Bible to absolute shreds. Paine was a deist, a fierce one who believed that Christianity was a perversion of the mind that should be purged from the earth, and in no way should any of his words ever be attributed to endorsing the concept of a Christian nation.
Argonnosi 1 year ago
The 1797 treaty of tripoli states that the USA is NOT a christian nation.
Pharaoh481 1 year ago
Typical atheist and secularist garbage below in the comments, written by dimwitted historically illiterate morons!
What a pathetic pack of Dawkins clones ! Not a measurable IQ between any two of them!
videodog52 1 year ago
@videodog52 you really should look up quotes about christianity from thomas jefferson, thomas paine, and my favorite founding father james madison. you will undoubtedly find that that most not all of our founding fathers abhorred christianity. its as plain as day. and anyone who looks at their writings will know, type it into google, see what you find, and then think about your "historically illiterate" comment.
oneadamtwelve86 1 year ago
TheAtheistAntidote is a self-hating closet atheist. Subconsciously, he already knows that his religion is nothing more than a bastardized form of Mithralism, Zoroastrianism, and the ancient Egyptian religions (Horus); the stories are exactly the fucking same, and it all comes from the same region. TheAtheistAntidote KNOWS deep down that Moses saw nothing but a smoking volcano on that mountain, not a god, and that he was revered by his primitive tribe because brave enough to check it out.
EcrossH 1 year ago
Actually a lot of the Founding fathers including Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were more deist then anything else.
westeastxybzd 1 year ago
Do you know when the US added In god we trust and one nation under god phrases? I am a coin collector and I can tell you there is no god junk on early American coins. Do you know when we adopted separation of Church and state? Look it up than remake your vid.
dpfindgod 1 year ago 17
@dpfindgod
yup, that phrase was added during the Bible Boom
TheChoujinVirus 5 months ago
@dpfindgod said (QUOTE) "I am a coin collector and I can tell you there is no god junk on early American coins." (END QUOTE)
Hey, IN GOD WE TRUST’ first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin. Yep, Congress ordered it so.
Check the Journals of Congress. Also, get the 1864 coin for your collection!
By the way, in 1814, in the 4th stanza of what would become America's National Anthem ("The Star Spangled Banner") author Francis Scott Keys clearly writes: “And this be our motto: ‘IN GOD IS OUR TRUST”.
Mr88playmaker 3 months ago
A couple of things: "In God we Trust" is a very general term and doesn't necessarily mean one much follow the Christian God. Second, the founder fathers were very smart men, but they were also victims of their own time period and very hypocritical. I guess because the founding fathers owned slaves means we should too. They also ordered the killing and raping of the Native Americans. I guess we should do that too. Why isn't that our slogan? "We are a nation who kills and rapes the innocent".
dranalli4823 1 year ago 12
@dranalli4823 Too honest?
Argonnosi 1 year ago
Dont hate me because i believe in science!this video was designed to get you emotionaly invested. "But let us save a step and assume the universe was always here" - Carl Sagen
armarjaleo 2 years ago
How can Brock be so wrong so often?
Pious fraud, yes he knows he is presenting twisted bits a pieces, but in his mind that is OK as long as the cause is "good". this will FAIL.
To even mention Thomas Jefferson is funny as any research into Jefferson will bring up facts that Brock should be embarrassed by, but of course he will never even think twice about the fraud.
RadioFlyer308 2 years ago
the first part of the jefferson quote was said by adams
Bellantoni 2 years ago
This guy... I tell you.
1. KNOWS he's outright lying about what he's saying. He could not have possibly done the research to quote-mine what he needed for this vid and not know he is lying his ass off.
2. Has a true and remarkable talent for twisting, contorting, distorting, and turning history on its head.
Look at all the quote-mines... even given his best almighty effort, not one single example of a founding father saying "WE NEED JESUS" - but only referencing God / Religion.
KaseyAkira 2 years ago
Not one single time in all those quotes reference Jesus, Christianity, the Holy Trinity, Mother Mary, or any other reference that could -=possibly=- be construed as an endorsement of a "Christian Nation".
Going only on the quotes given, we could very well believe America should be an Islamic, Jewish, or Hindu state.
AronRa had it right. You cannot be a creationist and not be dishonest.
KaseyAkira 2 years ago
The usa was founded on any religion King george the 3rd said that the pilgrums could come over to america and start their own religion however the pilgrums had in mind to practice religion free of the king also it was freedom of religion *Any religion you wanted* Only problem was the pilgrums choose christian belief and it went off like that this nation is still founded under any religion and if I'm wrong then we have freedom of religion 1st amendment, people warp the truth about alot of things.
OverInfMagicSpellGod 2 years ago
Wasnt America a nation founded by Native Indians?!?
layhao 2 years ago
layhoo, that's probably a rhetorical question but still: No, not in the relatively modern sense of founding a nation.
Technologically far behind Europeans in development, there were several native "nations" that sometimes fought each other over territory, for hunting, etc.
Unfortunately for them, the "Christian values" of don't steal, kill, rape, do other bad things were not applied to them.
queenastilon 2 years ago
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layhao 2 years ago
When Texas seceded from the Union in March 1861, its secession declaration was entirely about one subject: slavery. It said that Thomas Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence in 1776 -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" -- were "the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color . . . a doctrine at war with nature . . . and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law."
grisflyt 2 years ago
Almost every single quote said either God or Religion. Nothing about Christianity. FAIL.
ReligiousWacko 2 years ago
It is clear from history that the founding fathers intentionally created a secularist state, and that churches of the time supported it.
As far as this being a Christian nation, that's a fantasy.
papafox 2 years ago
No, it was and is a Christian nation. It is just not a theocracy. Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion although you are free to not have religion as well.
JR042083 2 years ago
Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Atheist... ALL of these faiths have been with us since the time of the founding fathers. Calling this a Christian nation makes no more sense that calling it a white nation.
papafox 2 years ago
Sure but the Founders were mostly Christian. Also this nation was founded on Christian values. I didn't say it was a Christians only nation.
JR042083 2 years ago
A lot of people say "this is a Christian nation" to imply that Christianity has, or should have, some special status. It doesn't, and it shouldn't.
Your first statement in the video is "The founders never wanted to establish a secular nation." That is demonstrably false, not only in the Constitution itself, but in all of the documents left from discussions from the Constitutional Convention. The delegates intentionally instituted a secular state.
papafox 2 years ago
Of course the founders did not want a theocracy, so of course the instituted protections against this. At the same time they never wanted to kick religion out of the country or government, just to limit its power on matters of state.
JR042083 2 years ago
Brock, you are a liar and sociopath.
ReligiousWacko 2 years ago
And your insults are pathetic.
JR042083 2 years ago
I didn't insult him. I informed him that I'm aware that he lies, and that he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Thats not an insult. Its just the truth.
ReligiousWacko 2 years ago
(High five)
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
From Autobiography - by Thomas Jefferson
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure
jfsfrnd 2 years ago
--continued
from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.
jfsfrnd 2 years ago
The world--and not just America--is circling the drain because of people like this: i.e. the ignorant. How is it that those who declare the loudest their love of our country can also be the ones who know the least about it.
sonomaman21 2 years ago
The US was founded as a Christian Nation but not limited to for all. Its the majoirty rule, monority rights. end of story.
titans797979 2 years ago
Majority rules?
I don't think a jewish family would have liked to hear that in Nazi Germany.
squippy117 2 years ago 3
Brock,
I must give you credit for leaving the comments open (even if not the ratings) and allowing discussion on this topic, but the discourse seems 1-sided.
Where is the rebuttal?
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
What about this?:
"The Civil Rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, nor on any pretext infringed..."
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
There is only one quote in this video that mentions Christianity specifically.
Is the purpose of your video to support the idea that the constitution does NOT grant all citizens the FREEDOM to worship (or NOT WORSHIP) as they choose?
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
funny i never see the words god or any other religious god in the constitution
and the factor that around 1940 was the words in god we trust added to the money (or might have been the flag or something)
riotguards 2 years ago
George Washington (1732-1799)
1st Elected President of the United States
"The United States is in no manner founded on Christian principle."
Treaty of Tripoli
alltiedup217 2 years ago 3
Sorry but the Treaty of Tripoly proves you wrong!!
CerrunosisGod 2 years ago
"Christianity is the most pervers religion that ever shone on man."
Thomas Jefferson
darcangelo89 2 years ago
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."
LorDandMaster80 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
this is not a christian nation, you fucking moron.
yoiamdaruler 2 years ago 2
"Take it back."
I wish you could. But you can't and your damage has been done.
I want to thank you for actually motivating me to get off my ass and start making videos of my own.
Stand by cur, a response is comming.
Talondas 2 years ago
Christianity has one unique tenant. To be Christian one must believe that Jesus is the son of God and that He is Himself a deity. Believing this is not the law in the US. Consequently, this is NOT by any means a Christian nation.
gamutman 2 years ago
dont let Obama brainwash you with bull. he works for the nwo, just like bush
AllenFTW 2 years ago
The 1st amendment of the constitution is in direct conflict with the 1st commandment!
Hairysteed 2 years ago