The Qur'an linguistic challenge - CHALLENGE 1

[newjourney7]

Oh dear, it seems you have repeatedly flagged as spam my comment that directly, and without insult, refuted the arguments in your vid. Shame on you.

[lebrocky]

What is the nasheed in the beginning? thanks

[ktss61]

... the ancient Greek ideas about embryology in more detail, summarising their main features , and comparing them with the Gur’an, it becomes perfectly obvious that the embryological works of Hippocrates, Aristotle and Galen etc. are completely different to that of the 9ur’an as terms, styles and words or expressions.

[charlie13121]

@ktss61

The expanding universe was discovered in 1929 by Edwin Hubble. This is not ''three months ago''.

(We constructed the heaven.) meaning, `We made it as a high roof, protected from falling,'

(with Hands), meaning, with strength, according to `Abdullah bin `Abbas, Mujahid, Qatadah, Ath-Thawri and several others,

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 this is what u wrote exactly:

''Quran contains more scientific detail''

it is yr claim not mine. i asked y show me where i said what y claim.

y escape from point to another: from Galen to Hubble and from Hubble to Abdullah .. do not do many stunts. i understood y, y lack in acknowledge of Islam and Gur'an ,

"The expanding universe was discovered in 1929 by Edwin Hubble" this is ur quote. so leave them and see some comprehensive arguments which can fill yr ignorance.

[charlie13121]

@ktss61

(Verily, We are able to extend the vastness of space thereof.) means, `We made it vast and We brought its roof higher without pillars to support it, and thus it is hanging independently.'

All of this from Ibn Kathir suggest that the Quran is actually talking about the past tense when Allah created the heavens and the earth.

Here is a short video explaining this miracle (2 mins) watch?v=JyqkAFCaNQM

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR DEAR GALEN? DID YOU FORGET IT NOW?

LOL,. do not constraint me to call you "huge ignorant"!.

"in 1922–1923, proved conclusively that these nebulae were much too distant to be part of the Milky Way and were, in fact, entire galaxies outside our own."

"he discovered a ROUGH proportionality of the objects' distances with their redshifts". do not change words and claim that y know what y indeed ignore.Allah 1400 years ago Said We can EXPAND IT.

[ktss61]

.. the Qur’an does not mention Nutfah as unformed semen, but describes Nutfah as a drop and then goes into far greater detail than Galen’s simple observation. and there are more than 10 not associated terms developments in favor of the Gor'an and many other details..so read again what Galen really said about this point. BTW Galen copied texts from ancients.

[ktss61]

بارك الله فيك may Allah bless u brother

i invite you also to explain why Allah Say "swim" , this word mean another challenge to modern science, but still unknown to many of people (Muslims and not Muslims). so if y do another video to explain exactly this word. why Allah use the word "swim" instead of move or go .. etc

thanks again

[HarnesX]

well it would be easy to write a book include what we already know, but there is still more to learn and without finding out that which do not know yet, this is impossible! but the eloquence and beauty of a text would not be difficult initially, but difficult to sustain throughout, unless the text took some time to produce or with the aid of others. overall i agree that this is, on a linguistic level, and not a divine and logical level, impossible.

[HarnesX]

how long does it have to be?

[HASHANIMATIONS]

What's the first nasheed called?

[HarnesX]

1000 years ago actually, slightly more impressive then.

[99SlaveofAllah99]

I am sorry I am only trying to understand. So if Quran simply said "kul" the literal meaning would be "All in orbit floating" but since the Quran says "kullun", then the literal meaning is "All of the celestial bodies in orbit floating" ? I don't understand how celestial bodies figures in there. I am only trying to learn.

PS- Reading the comments of Ikhwanalsafa, I am more confused, Can you please quote the entire relevant text from the tafsir in both arabic and english in the description box

[99SlaveofAllah99]

@NiyaziVideos So "kullan" literally means "all of them" ? Is this right ?

Also can you please quote the entire relevant text from the tafsir english if you speak Arabic ?

[NiyaziVideos]

@99SlaveofAllah99 I can't speak proper Arabic. ''And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.'' all is referring back to 'the sun and the moon' but you cant translate; ''all in an orbit are swimming.'' you'll have to translate; ''all [heavenly bodies(aka. the suns and the moons)] in an orbit are swimming.'' Kull means 'all' but because it is referring to 'the sun and the moon' it's translates as: 'All heavenly bodies'

[kamelamine2006]

I saw both videos yours and his too, I do not agree of what both are saying,

[IbnMalikSMY]

@kamelamine2006 I saw both also. I thought the christian prince was arrogant and has a few issues, the first being the need for some introductory science lessons.

[kamelamine2006]

@IbnMalikSMY I am preparing a video for both of them, inchallah a fact of an hour or two

[Ganstaz003]

Here is another response to your video from another 'non muslim'

watch?v=Tet9fsUd-7M

[Ganstaz003]

watch?v=U6dB3h7STH4

This video alone debunks all the ridiculous claims in your videos regarding the 'Qur'an challenge'.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@Ganstaz003 please stay tuned for my response.

[h2dude69]

@LearnQuranicArabic

That video was made by the much hated Christian Prince. Can't wait to see you destroy his arguments :D

[IbnMalikSMY]

@h2dude69 me too

[Ikhwanalsafa]

2. "The tanween on it (Kul) is a compensation/substitute for an annexed genitive - meaning "All of them" {in an orbit swimming} and the pronoun refers to the sun and the moon and the intention/meaning by those two is the whole genus of rising objects each day and night and He made it numerous/plural due to the multitude of it's rising places and that is the reason for making the two of them into the plural as suns and moons since the sun is in fact one and the moon is one."

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@Ikhwanalsafa Although you quoted one part of the tafseer. There is another section in Surat Yaseen which mentions SUNS nad MOONS

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@LearnQuranicArabic you will need to realise that tafsir is not just about one verse but all related verses in the Quran together.

[Ikhwanalsafa]

@LearnQuranicArabic Zamakhshari & Baydawi are NOT saying it means lots of suns and moons. They're saying Sun and Moon are treated as plural because of their many rising places (throughout the year). Zamakhshari adds it's also referring to all objects that rise in the sky. The section you quoted is from 36:40 but is not the full explanation. Zamakhshari explains in 21:33 in full as I've already quoted. He says they're treated as plural due to many rising places & whole genus of rising objects.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@Ikhwanalsafa the point is not the explanation of what is meant by SUNS AND MOONS. the point is that it is mentioned. I'm not talking about the explanation.

[IbnMalikSMY]

@Ikhwanalsafa I know a bit of Arabic and the translation reflects the section he quoted in the video. What you have translated is not the text quoted in the video.

[Ikhwanalsafa]

@IbnMalikSMY - I quoted the full explanation from Zamakhshari which he gives in verse 21:33. The quote LearnQuranicArabic gives is from 36:40 and is not the full explanation.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@Ikhwanalsafa I think your missing the point. the point is the plural was used. when you delete the pronoun as in this verse it creates a generality.this is the whole point from a linguistic perspective.

[Ganstaz003]

@LearnQuranicArabic So are you willing to have a debate with him? If so, I'm really looking forward.

BTW, are you an arab or did you just learn Arabic? And have you got a phd in Arabic?

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@Ganstaz003 I dont have a phd. I didn't study at a university. I learnt from other arabic scholars and teachers. I'm an arab, yes.

[TomMarAlem1987]

@LearnQuranicArabic At first I thought this verse to be completely unscientific. The day and the night both move in orbits and so too does the sun and moon, so it is natural to assume that it is the sun that moves around the earth. This is in connection with the hadith (Book #54, Hadith #421) Bukhari, where the sun is said to move.

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

Is that the same hadith that Muhammad says the sun travels/goes to prostrate to Allah, and that's why it disappears?

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 See you not ...and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do.

( سورة لقمان , Luqman, Chapter #31, Verse #29)Qur'an.[] The Qur'an may be talking about OBSERVED phenomenon of a earth bound observer, NOT the actual configuration of the solar system.

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

Why doesn't the Quran make this clear? Is that because the Quran can actually be improved? The Quran seems to suggest a geocentric universe.

What verse in the Quran requires a microscope?

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 In fact if it is the sun that moves around the earth, as observed on earth, then the earth must be round. The Muslims may have been told about the shape of the earth centuries before Marco Polo.

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

Muhammad thought the sun disappearing at sunset was because it travels to prostrate to Allah.

How ignorant do you have to be today to make excuses for Muhammad?

[MuslimByChoice]

good video thx for sharing

[alliaskis]

Do muslims really believe that the sun and moon and other "celestial bodies" orbit the earth?

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@alliaskis no we dont believe that all celestial bodies orbit the earth because the Quran doesn't say that.

[StopSpamming1]

Again, another challenge. And what? All other challenges have been met and your claims destroyed. When will you learn?

These vague words will not change anything.

How does anyone know we are talking about astronomy? Celestial bodies are what?

No, people then knew about stars and the 7 non-fixed objects in the skies.

Swim along is what?

A rounded course is what?

Come on! This tells people about how sun and moon orbit Earth, if anything. You are trying to impose today's knowledge on this.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@StopSpamming1 the language is crystal clear. It not in English, it's in Arabic. so at least you admit that the verse is consistent with modern scientific facts. so are going to challenge this verse? If what you are saying is true then it would be a piece of cake.

[StopSpamming1]

@LearnQuranicArabic

} "crystal clear"?

What is this? What part of "vague words" don't you understand?

What part is "consistent with modern scientific facts"?

EVERYTHING is totally and completely wrong. Earth orbits the Sun and not vice versa. But the Koran does not state that.

If you really require crystal clear confirmation from me: yes, I challenge this sentence. It is vague and wrong.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@StopSpamming1 looking forward to your response.

[StopSpamming1]

@LearnQuranicArabic

There will not be another response. It is futile. Taking some vague words and assigning a modern meaning to them does not warrant a serious consideration.

It appeals to shallow and childish people who have never learnt to think rationally.

[DawahFilms]

@StopSpamming1

I continue to find it amusing that you and other anti-Islam apologists keep sticking to this "the science is wrong in the Qur'an!!!!" nonsense when the Qur'an isn't meant to give scientific information.

By now you'd think you'd figure out that you're wasting your time.

[StopSpamming1]

@DawahFilms

We have something in common! We are amused.

If the Koran is just another religious book, why do so many Muslims come up with so much of this "the science is right in the Qur'an!"???

Yes, it is a waste of time. And in the case of Muslims: a waste of a mind.

[Ganstaz003]

@StopSpamming1 Hey, are you going to make some sort of a response to this video sometime in the future? I am expecting another masterpiece video from you.

[StopSpamming1]

@Ganstaz003

Thank you, but no thank you. This is too stupid. Just putting up some vague words and expanding them with modern knowledge is childish.

Plus there are people here with detailed Arabic knowledge who are putting a stop to the arbitrary interpretation efforts.

[charlie13121]

@DawahFilms

Sorry, the Quran does actually try to give scientific facts when it talks about embryology and astronomy hence why shouldn't it be judged according to the scientific method?

It is Allah who is supposed to be all-knowing who chose to talk about embryology and astronomy- we never forced him to.

[DawahFilms]

@charlie13121

Actually, you're wrong. The Qur'an was never MEANT to give scientific information. That's not the purpose of the texts.

[Ikhwanalsafa]

@DawahFilms - I agree!

[Ikhwanalsafa]

@DawahFilms - The Qur'an is spiritual and moral guidance directed to the people at the time.

[charlie13121]

@DawahFilms

I agree that the Quran is not primarily a scientific text, but it does mention matters relating to science.

If the Quran was never meant to give scientific information then why does it speak about embryology and astronomy?

[DawahFilms]

@charlie13121

Because the point of those things is to give examples of their PURPOSE.

[charlie13121]

@DawahFilms

The purpose of a mingled fluid, a blood clot and a peice of chewed flesh (according to classical interpretations) does not really make me think this is a divine book.

I also fail to understand how this gives me an example of ''their purpose''.

What exactly do you mean by ''their purpose anyway''?

[DawahFilms]

@charlie13121

All the natural examples pointed to are for the sake of "reflection" and are "signs that point to your Lord". Their "purpose" is in how they give guidance to how we should view ourselves as well as how Allah has created us for a higher meaning.

The guidance in the Qur'an has nothing to do with science. That's where you are wrong.

[book3378]

@charlie13121 The purpose of mentioning embryology in the verses of the Qur'an is to substantiate the claim that is not impossible for God to give life to the dead on the day of judgment.God who made us pass through these stages in a mother' womb can surely re-create us after our death.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

So you agree there is a no miracle?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 A book 14 hundred years old keeping up-to date with modern science is a miracle.try reading a 400 year old book on science and also read the 1400 year old Quran,any open minded person can see the superiority of the Quran.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Take embryology for example, all the Quran says is that there is a mixed liquid, a blood clot, and a lump of chewed flesh.

Are you honestly telling me this is how far we have come in embryology in the last 1400 years? How has the Quran's description of the embryo been of any benefit to mankind?

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 If what is described in the Qur'an requires a microscope to see, then it is describing previously unknown phenomenon that could not have been known to the peoples who came before.

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 Sunrise and sunset are observed phenomenon of an earthbound observer. So if the Prophet, pbuh, said that the sun goes somewhere when it sets, he may be speaking about phenomenon as they are appear to be, not as they actually are.

[book3378]

@charlie13121 First of all,the Quran is not a book that has come to teach us science.It is a book of guidance for the success of human beings in the hereafter.It discusses moral issues not scientific issues.The aim of the Quran is the success of human beings in the hereafter.It is a book of guidance,not a book of science.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

You're obviously confused because you previously said: ''A book 14 hundred years old keeping up-to date with modern science is a miracle''

''any open minded person can see the superiority of the Quran.''

You now say the Quran does not contain scientific information.

If you claim the Quran contains science then I will judge it according to the scientific method.

Does the Quran contain scientific information? YES OR NO?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 What I was trying to say is that the Quran is primarily a book of guidance.The apparently scientific verses in the Quran cannot be refuted even after 1400 years after its revelation.the Quran should be read to sought guidance.not science.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Your logic does not follow.

''scientific verses in the Quran cannot be refuted''

''Quran should be read to sought guidance.not science.''

Do you see how this is contradictory? On the one hand you say the Quran can not be refuted thereby challenging me to prove it scientifically wrong and then you're saying ''the scientific verses in the Quran should not be read according to science'' so it would be wrong of me to judge it according to science.

Which one?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 I am sorry if you are confused by my answer.yes you can use science to refute the apparently scientific verses in the Quran.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

So the scientific verses in the Quran should be read in light of modern science?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 the scientific verses in the Quran should be read as they are, without imposing our preconceived notions,they will naturally be in harmony with the established science.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Can you please tell me where modern science claims the embryo is an alaqah (blood clot) from day 40-80?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 the word alaqah has many meanings in the classical Arabic.if you analyze their meanings they in fact turn out to be in perfect harmony with established embryology.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

It doesn't if you read the classical works. Only modern understandings use anything other than a clot of blood. If you can bring me a classical islamic scholar that says alaqah means anything other than a clot of blood then I'll be suprised.

Here is a good video listing the opinions of classical islamic scholars:

watch?v=3oDgbVk6HRg&feature=ch­annel_video_title

[book3378]

@charlie13121 1:OK get ready to be surprised!the famous classical Arabic dictionary "Qaamoos al-Muheet" says" Blood in its normal state or blood which is extremely red or which has hardened or congealed, a piece thereof; every thing that sticks; clay that sticks to hands; unchanging enmity or love; Zu `alaq is the name of a hill of Banu Asad, where they defeated Rabi`ah ibn Maalik; An insect of water that sucks blood; that portion of a tree that is within the reach of animals"

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Could you provide me with a link please?

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Also the meanings you have given do mean a clot of blood just like I said.

''An insect of water that sucks blood;'' - this can not be what the Quran is referring to unless we are insects.

'that portion of a tree that is within the reach of animals"- we are not trees so the Quran is not talking about this.

''the real meaning of the word'' ''is anything that sticks to or hangs''

None of the classical scholars on the video say this.

[book3378]

@charlie13121 I mentioned the reason why classical scholars used blood clot,see my comment no 2.the embryo sucks nutrients like a blood sucker.It hangs to the mother's uterine wall.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

They used a clot of blood. Period. They never mentioned anything hanging to the uterine wall, this is your own modern understanding. Also a blood sucker is something that sucks blood and not a clot of blood. The two things are seperate.

If a leech for example sucks blood do you call the leech a blood clot?

[NiyaziVideos]

@charlie13121 You should debate this matter on a forum, because on Youtube it is hard to do so..

[book3378]

@charlie13121 :the word as I proved has got other meanings in the classical Arabic language.If I had used a meaning that was not available in the classical Arabic then I was wrong.The embryo sucks its nutrients like a blood sucker.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

You havn't proved anything yet. In the context used in the Quran the mufassirs have agreed it means a clot of blood.

''The embryo sucks its nutrients like a blood sucker.''

So what? The Quran never says the alaqah is a blood sucker. Alaqah means blood clot which is totally different to a blood sucker.

Were going in circles here... why don't you agree with all of those classical scholars?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 1:the real meaning of the word "`alaq" is "anything that sticks or hangs". Now when the Qur'an said: "He created man of `alaq", it was interpreted by Muslim scholars to imply "a clot of blood". This was not because the word "`alaq" meant "a clot of blood" but because the Muslim scholars felt that in this verse it implied "a clot of blood". If, due to the widening of human knowledge, today we are in a position to know that a child is never "a clot of blood", continue....

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Basically you're saying the Quran was not clear so scholars only used their understanding of that time. You say all the classical scholars made a mistake.

You're saying Quran embryology can not be understood in light of modern science but if we change the meaning of the Quran to actually BE modern science.

Second time I will ask to bring me a classical scholar who refers to alaqah anything other than a clot of blood.

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 What happens if a word has multiple and nuanced meanings?

Subhan, we learned from the host of this channel, has the meaning of glorification and exaltation in the metaphorical sense, while in the literal sense it means to float.

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

If a word has so many meanings that Muslims can't agree then the Quran is not perfect and can be improved. If it can't even convey the basic of meanings then what does this say about Allah?

(example) No classical mufassir said that alaqah means anything other than a clot of blood. This is scientifically wrong.

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 If a word has more than one meaning and in fact is nuanced in what it means this increases the comprehension one has of the meaning what is being explained. If Subhan means not only glorified, but glorified in the sense that the one being glorified is floating in the metaphorical sense. If it is SubhanAllah, then Allah is the only one floating while everything and everyone else sinks and drowns. See the nuance?

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allah as Muslims).

( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #89) Qur'an.

[TomMarAlem1987]

@charlie13121 If the Qur'an states that the formation of bones came first which were then clothed with flesh and no one in antiquity could have known about this phenomenon, and it was observed only through microscopy, we have a valid claim that this is the word of God transmitting what could not have been known by any other means in the 7th century of the common era.

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

(On semen, Volume 5, Part 3, Issue 1 By Galen, Phillip De Lacy)

The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow [19].

[charlie13121]

@TomMarAlem1987

This quote was from Galen and you can google it. Galen knew about this around 700 years before Muhammad was even born.

Did Galen need a microscope too?

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 what did Galen wrote is different from what Allah Say: in 9or'an the description is MORE DETAILED and more precised. google both and do a comparison to achieve yr ignorance!

[charlie13121]

@ktss61

If you want detail I can refer you to a modern embryology text. My whole point was that the ideas expressed by the Quran were already expressed by Galen hundreds of years before. The Quran does not contain detail. All of what the Quran says about embryology can be find in texts dating back hundreds of years before Muhammad.

The Quran does not have any detail. It only has ''detail'' if Muslims add many modern interpretations to the Quran.

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 [If you want detail I can refer you to a modern embryology text. My whole point was that the ideas expressed by the Quran were already expressed by Galen hundreds of years before]

the idea yes, i agree with y, but read the description of both to see how is the difference in favor of 9o'ran. google both interpretations!

[The Quran does not have any detail. ..]

LOL

Gur'an is not a SCIENTIFIC BOOK.but y can compare modern science with it.

[charlie13121]

@ktss61

''Gur'an is not a SCIENTIFIC BOOK.but y can compare modern science with it. ''

But you're the one who said ''Quran contains more scientific detail'' - not me. If Quran talks about science then I will judge it according to the scientific method.

Can you show me where in the Quran specifically it talks about any scientific facts in great detail?

First point:

''expansion of the universe (discovered only 2 months ago from 3 usa physics''

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 show me where i wrote what you claim!:

"Quran contains more scientific detail''

if you can show me this, or words do not have meaning for you?!!!. r

read again what i posted you, read it exactly and compare it with what u claim above.

i never said that Quran "contains more scientific detail''. wake up!

4 -10- 11

3 scientists won Nobel in physics discovering the universe is expanding.GOOGLE IT

[We have made the heavens with Our own hands and We can expand it.51:47]

[ktss61]

@charlie13121 no detail in Gur'an?!! did y read about sky and earth? about universe, stars, day and night, embryology, sea barrier, 7 earth layers, split moon, building heavens, bulb lamps, the center of lies in humans, expansion of the universe (discovered only 2 months ago from 3 usa physics .. and so on. so before y say there is no detail just read well Gor'an. scientific proofs is not the duty of Allah or His messenger. i see that y have a superficial lecture of the Book.

[ktss61]

@charlie13121

Indian Antiquity, Hippocratic Embryology, Aristotle and embryology, Galen and embryology, Embryology in the Jewish scriptures,

gur'an: "Al-Dafq

(Forceful Emission of Fluid, self emitting)"

galen: "The alterative faculties or power which took the primitive unformed material and changed it into the different forms" NO associated elements.

Gur'an: "Sulalah min ma'a

( from fluid".

galen: "The effects of the faculties divided into three, genesis, growth and nutrition"

[charlie13121]

@ktss61

Would you like to show me what part of the Quran has more detail?

[book3378]

@charlie13121 2:all that has happened is that we can now safely say that the interpretation of the Muslim scholars was not accurate. If the Qur'an was not available in its original language, as is generally the case with the books, other than the Qur'an, believed to be revealed literature, the Muslims would have had no option but to submit that the Qur'an does have a "scientific error" in it. But the case of the Qur'an is quite different from those other books,continue...

[book3378]

@charlie13121 3:It is still in its original language. And the word originally used by the Qur'an (`alaq) is not used only for a clot of blood. It actually refers to "something that sticks or hangs" (like semi dried blood, mud, unending hatred/love or a leech).

[book3378]

@charlie13121 2:The word `alaq, does not "mean" blood but because of certain properties of blood, it was, besides other things also used to imply blood. The real meaning of the word, as would be obvious from an analysis of all the meanings stated in the dictionary, is anything that sticks to or hangs with something else. The word was used for blood, because of the well known property of blood of being sticky, as soon as its starts to dry out.

[charlie13121]

@book3378

Finally, if you really think embryology in the Quran is superior than modern or a one sentence is a sufficient explanation of embryology then you are wrong.

What can science confirm in the Quran? That we hang or stick? That is very vague.

[Ikhwanalsafa]

@charlie13121 Because it was meant to show that these things that they already knew about were the creation of God and it is He who directs and guides everything.

[charlie13121]

@Ikhwanalsafa

''these things that they already knew about''

You're basically saying the Quran was mentioning aspects of embryology and astronomy that the arabs were aware of. How is that a miracle?

[charlie13121]

@Ikhwanalsafa

Ahh, here is your message. It was flaged as spam so I couldn't see it. I completely agree with you btw.

[charlie13121]

@LearnQuranicArabic

''the language is crystal clear''

Which is why you need centuries later to add a ''tanween''

Which is also the reason why you need to refer to the tafsir to know it is talking about the sun and the moon.

Also tafsir Ibn Kathir as far as I am aware never refers to the sun and moons in plural but only singular.

Clearly not all islamic scholars hold your position i.e Ibn Kathir

[LearnQuranicArabic]

@charlie13121 that indicates that this knowldge was not known back then. If it had been known then you'd be filling the comments section with the fact that it was common knoeldge in arabia. but you can't do that.

[Masoudun]

Jazaakkallaahu khairan ya akhi...as one who considers himself a student of the lugha these segments are like gold...especially the tidbits about balaagah...my only request is that you include info about the orgins of some of the mufradaat used by allaah jalla wa alaa. I love sharing the info from these clips to prove just how the quraan cannot be translated and the importance of studying fusha

[Ikhwanalsafa]

تشير كلمة "كُلٌّ" في هذه الآية الى جنس الطوالع وكثرة المطالع. وكل ما بدا في السماء فهو طالِع يعني كل الأجرام السماوية رأوها العرب مثل الشمس والقمر والنجوم وليس المعنى الشمس والقمر فقط. قال الزمخشري { كُلٌّ } التنوين فيه عوض من المضاف إليه، أي: كلهم { فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ } والضمير للشمس والقمر، والمراد بهما جنس الطوالع كل يوم وليلة، جعلوها متكاثرة لتكاثر مطالعها وهو السبب في جمعهما بالشموس والأقمار، وإلا فالشمس واحدة والقمر واحد. وقال البيضاوي إنما جمع باعتبار المطالع

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MashAllah



[IbnMalikSMY]

those who are going to try to Challenge are going to need more than luck. there gonna need a miracle. JazakALLAHU KHAIRAN brother.