I don't think John wanted to offend anyone. I think he just didn't think things through. He was not book-smart. So it's possible that the copyright stuff never even crossed his mind.
Lennon's music is so overrated. Just another example of commercial success through following the pop formula. Zappa is quite the opposite. Truly talented and successful despite the fact that he wasn't radio-friendly.
@jackshel@fashioncorpse@PAULLONDEN@mumfucka I can't be bothered going on about the subject and to be perfectly honest I barely care about it. I commented on a whim one day. It was probably late, I was probably tired, I was probably listening to music and I was probably feeling brave. I'm generally a pretty shy person, even when commenting online. So I say we all relax and listen to this watch?v=oRp1G8Po3tM Much love and happiness to you all, in all seriousness.
It sounds like Phil Spector must have been the one to mix the stuff the way it was. Remember when Paul McCartney got outraged when Spector messed with his song "The Long and Winding Road"?
@srunequester66 Yes, again it's very likely that someone just did the thinking for Lennon. Lennon was just not the kind of person to mastermind an evil plan. For all we know, Yoko pulled the strings while John was getting high.
Begin factual is not being a dick. King Kong is actually a very famous piece of music by Zappa and it would piss me off to have anyone else take credit, that's a big no-no. I'm surprised Zappa did not sue, he would have prevailed.
None of you people know anything about this...like me.....and the replies here are fucking fantastic...a bunch of wannabes putting down brilliant artists.......none of you knew frank...so dont think you're as smart or as hip as he was.....cos you're not....you are fucking assholes
@thatfatautisticnegro a fat fucking retard calling someone else a faggot.......pretty good...hopefully you fall down a flight of stairs in your retard chair...you fat fucking retarded afflicted waste
@Oreeyemma I cant believe that someone can so blindly follow someone up to the point he just needs to insult in a completely ridicule and UN-argumented way anything or anyone hwo dosent follow or agrees hes pseudo messiah.
@Oreeyemma If someone is going to act in such a stupid way I believe is my responsibility to identify him so we dont make the mistake to listen to that person again.
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I need to check out Zappa properly, I never have. I just wanted to say that Lennon knew more than anybody how much of a prick he could be, and he'd be the first to admit it. With Lennon we don't bow down to a god but hold hands with a fellow human, and I think peace within himself was a constant battle for him and that's why he was attracted to the cause, he wanted to be a better person. Also, music is a feeling, not how fancy you can be with an instrument in your hands. Play from the heart.
@ZoeEC Oh, so you are one of those crazy people that think you need "heart" and "soul" in order to be a great musician not a "brain" and "dexterity" and "cohesion with the other musicians" and "a strong will" If I was creating a "dream band" of musicians to play together Zappa would be on that list, Lennon would not. Reason why: Zappa could play an instrument well and had a far better creative mind.
@fashioncorpse Jeez, no I don't think you NEED to have "heart" and "soul" to be a great musician, obviously, I simply just enjoy it more when they do. It's a completely different thing than musicianship. I'm sure Zappa was a great musician but that's besides the point. How someone enjoys music isn't a science and I prioritise making good sounds over how fancy you can be. But that's just me. I wouldn't say someone was crazy for appreciating things from a slightly different perspective than you.
@ZoeEC I'm feeling like Zappa's version about how did he met Lennon & Yoko Ono seems to be very true. If so, I can only laugh imagining what kind of situation he had to deal! Shit! I think he knew well and he handled pretty good too. There's nothing you can do but listen of Frank Zappa's music, as soon as you should do with Lennon. Beyond the reputations of these two different musicians, I think the answer is in the whole Zappa's production. If you cut off Music and listen to lyrics...
@ZoeEC I recommend the studio albums "Overnite Sensation" and "Apostrophe" as really good and accessible albums. In particular, the tracks 50/50, Zombie Woof, Montana, I am the Slime (from Overnite Sensation).
@TheJovanist Actually is funny how the first one was a aristrocrat pretending to be hippie, and the second a dirty hippie preteding to be an intellectual.
@PodMaster2009 Wow, someone doesn't know what they're talking about. In no way was Lennon ever an Aristocrat (in the class sense;) and in no way was Zappa ever a hippie, he was quite intelligent however. I mean, at least he could construct a sentence correctly.
I used to think Zappa was a big jerk, but because of him much hypocrisy was exposed among the many Music Celebs from the 1960s and 1970s that the World and Public never knew about..
The Beatle I liked the most though not perfect as a human being is George Harrison. Always have and always will. Even though I do not believe in his religious philosophy, Harrison was an excellent guitar player and as much a good songwriter if not better songwriter than the other Beatles.
Yes, he had people he liked and people he respected, but he was the kind of man that didn't believe in liking things just because others like them or giving respect where it wasn't due.
Zappa is understandably upset at what is tantamount to an act of piracy on the part of Lennon.However what I found most amusing in this interview is Zapp recounting how Lennon retitled King Kong as Jam Rag.By the way Zappa pronounces the words (emphasis on 'rag') it's clear that he didn't realise John was perhaps taking the piss in more ways than one.For as any Brit will tell you,'Jam Rag' (emphasis on 'Jam') is a slang term for tampon!
frank is overrated. (hes was a freemason) he got his ideas from his military dad.(like many of the "rest on your laurels" from laurel canyon- and was told how to exe-cute them psyop....leary and liddy.
LMFAO! WTF Does being a Freemason have to do with the guy's talent? Holy Shit! You have some issues. Anything you're NOT down on? His dad was military - BFD! So Frank most likely had some discipline? And this is also somehow bad in your view? You don't know dick about Zappa however, you have managed to tell the world with 1 small paragraph just what a pin dick you are. WTF Did you ever do - I mean besides bitch about shit you know nothing about? Go fuck off in 5 directions -
@noodlesmealey - five directions. that sounds like venus transit... is this the weasel?
well first off his premise isnt original, its all taken from kaballah and the biblical story.
but sure he was talented- after keneally, belew and vai....(excell the teachers) essentially the three unclean spirits in metaphor.(and why would frank tell them to 'continue the work'... would you like to debate on the INSIDE song meanings? -the 1960's nazi psy-op. good thing fwak paid em all.
I've been watching and listening to a lot of Frank Zappa stuff on Youtube and I've slowly begun to realize how profound Mr. Zappa was. How naive have I been for so long? What a brilliant man he was. I feel that after watching all of these videos that I am better now. Thank you Mr. Zappa.
i remember hearing John Lennon talk about his philosophies on life and i just though "i bet frank zappa would fucking hate this guy" turns out i was right, but for another reason. what a douche move on Johns Part.
I don't understand why there's an argument, here. I'm a musician/songwriter/composer and I appreciate Frank Zappa, John Lennon, the Beatles, Patti Smith, John Coltrane, Woody Guthrie - they're all different. There's no comparison between Zappa & the Mothers, & Lennon & the Beatles. It's apples and oranges.
I don't "get" Zappa. He has this image of being all weird and crazy when he wasn't at all despite his music which is like comedy record type shit. And he never did drugs so whats the deal...ooh hes like a natural freak and all wild and crazy with funny toy music and a musical composing genius so what fuck him I don't give a shit.
Well what'd he'd expect..John and Yoko were damn hippies and typical pretentious musicians. So of course they would make it "weird" and shred up what it was. And as for trying to steal it from him, as Zappa would say himself...it's a business. Just a business. this time he got involved in a bad deal
So Lennon ? Trie's to rip Frank Zappa Off...What a peice of shit...I had my doubt's about that whole hippy shit thing,You know lying in bed all week for peace....What a load of shit....Lennon was a missguided foul ....RIP Frank Zappa...
@2PinkFreuds If you look at the cover of "We're Only in it for the Money" you will see that Zappa's album has a cover that looks like a parody of Sgt. Pooper's Hippo Fart's Club Band, it is that way because the Feebles put out their rip off Sgt. Pooper's before Zappa got his out. They did not steal the whole album, but Harrison stole ideas for the sound effects, so Zappa's cover parodies theirs. For a successful artist, this just shows that mr peace-love-LSD, John Lennon, was a selfish dickweed.
@davemhudson He was being managed by Allen Klein at the time, who was pretty shady. That MIGHT have had something to do with it. My guess is Lennon just lost interest and told Klein to take care of it.
@hhoh12 Well, what a lot of people forget - or at least don't think about, is that all that Beatles material, all those phases from the early mop-top through the more reflective period of Rubber Soul and Revolver, to the psychedelia of Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour, followed by the swan songs of Abbie Road and Let it Be, all of it - took place in a period of 10 years. Now that is pretty damn prolific. Frank had four times as much time.
@hhoh12 You just made my point for me. You made the claim that Frank's body of work is 20 times bigger (though it's since grown to 40 - even dead, the man is prolific!), but he had four times as much time. So what is your point in stating that he put out four times as much material.
Eih!! The young man with lenses on the side of Frank with the big music book its me! The picture was taken in Rome 81 or 82 in fron the the Excelsion hotel in via Veneto, where Frank was staying. I was there with a photographer friend, as a fan of Frank I was pretending to be his helper, called in by the Rome cartoonist Tanino Liberatore, who's cartoons Frank had spotted. We had a crucial session during which Frank asked Liberatore to paint the cover of his next album, The Man from Utopia.
True, this is a one-sided account, but have you heard both versions of this material? Zappa's is on "Playground Psychotics" and Lennon's is on the disc appended to "Sometime In New York." Everything he says about the two mixes is 100% accurate. Lennon did a hatchet-job on The Mothers' material.
Can anybody tell me what s the mystery about f. zappa. I mean he dida lot of commercial music rock music in his certain style (album sheik yerbouti) , there were many jazz musician at that time doing more, serious ,noncommercial music. I don t like his kind of humour, exposing ugliness or cheapness. also. but some people call him a god or something like that, why?
@simoon22 I know precisely what you're talking about. It's not that I have anything against technically accomplished stringsters - a couple of my favorites are Steve Morse and Bela Fleck - but if I want farce, I turn to the Stooges (and I don't mean Iggy) or Benny Hill.
@simoon22 If you'd ever heard Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo or even Frank Zappa and the London Symphony Orchestra vols. 1 &2 or even The Yellow Shark, you'd come to understand that not many composers past or present share the same level of musical diversity and dexterity as Frank Zappa.
@simoon22 We can't tell you the mystery, its there for you to hear it. He never made music just to sell it, he made music for no1 reason cause he loved it. Noncommercial music? what is this ? you make music, record it and than dig it so nobady can find and buy it? What makes u laght?
"Nothing to kill or die for for." Are you kidding me? Do you mean to tell me there is no one you'd kill or die for? You wouldn't kill to save the life of your child if he or she were in danger?
@fkappreciative -- I believe the line "Nothing to kill or die for" referred to a dream of a perfect world where's there'd be no wars nor anyone threatening the life of your child. Obviously you missed the point.
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@DejectedPanda I can assure you, if there would have been a New York cop nearby to put a bullet in Chapman's head before he could kill him, Yoko or Sean, Lennone would've been thanking the cop for his display of violence. Nothing to kill or die for? Isn't Sean, Yoko and Julian worth John Lennon fighting and dying for? If not, Lennon's a pussy and I have no use for him or people like him who won't defend themselves or their families.
@fkappreciative I agree with that, but again... it's called IMAGINE. IMAGINE a world so perfect that there's never a need for violence. Not the world we live in, but a world we'd like to live in.
@fkappreciative I think you just misinterpreted the song. He is not saying he would not kill anyone. He is saying imagine how good the world would be if there were no psychos like Chapman period. If that was the case then Chapman wouldn't kill anyone, and Lennon wouldn't have to kill Chapman in self-defence. The song is saying, just imagine if the world could be so perfect (knowing full well that it is not perfect.) Hope that helps.
@fkappreciative It's a song about imaging a world where nobody would hurt anybody, so there would be no possible way to die for someone.
And I think Lennon cared for his family very much and would do anything to put them out of harm's way, but he just wasn't singing about a world where you could die for another.
Pacifists sit on their self-righteous asses while those realists who admit the world is not a perfect place (and won't ever be) do what they have to do to make life on Earth better and safer for EVERYBODY, including hippie feel-gooders.
Without the Churchills of the world to help do the dirty work, the Hitlers would dominate everything.
@fkappreciative Whats John was trying to say in those lyrics is that we should change the context of the world so we wouldn't have nothing to kill or die for not that you don't have something to kill or die for in the present or in Johns times.
Both had A type personalities Zappa should have remixed another album of that evening, I liked both musicians. Zappa had far more musical ability, John was a better lyric writer. Yoko should have been shot instead.
Only Zappa would be so ridiculous to think, and say it, that when he was first introduced to John and Yoko, at his door´s hotel door, that Alan Klein expected him to be impressed and that, in fact, he wasn´t. That´s why a Zappa search in youtube yields 6,000 clips, while Lennon´s does over 215,000. Zappa was impressed by what he thought was his brilliance, a terrible attribute if I ever thought of one.
@pulmon66 Thats a very stupid reasoning you have there. Amount of videos does not equal musical ability. Zappa was all around a better musician and person, Lennon was a better lyricist.
@kurtizzyflush -- A great anti drug ad would show a photo of lovely Cynthia Lennon (John's 1st wife before he got into drug use) and then a photo of Yoko Ono (John's 2nd wife after he got into pot, LSD and who knows what else). And while I'm on the subject, marrying Hillary is proof that Bill Clinton did indeed inhale de ganja!☺
@pulmon66 You idiot, John Lennon couldn't touch Frank Zappa compositionally, the difference between their success was that John Lennon went totally for fame and stardom right off the bat with The Beatles, while Zappa didn't make compromises and worked independently most of his career. Frank Zappa's music is more imaginative (without psychoactive drugs) and more complex and cerebral. I think Zappa was justified in not being surprised, if anything, Lennon should have been honored to meet him.
@TheSoftMachineisaMan So Zappa was that sort of genius artist who didn't want his work to be reproduced massively all around the world for it to know. haha, nice try mate. ¿What's the point in being an artist then? ¿A monumentally fantastic piece of work to be listen by a bunch of freako's? And you call that "to work independently" when you're ugly, treat your band like shit and your songs are infused with puerile sexual inuendo. Zappa was a genius, just way less succesful than Lennon. PERIOD.
@emarum Mmhh, interesting reply my man. Interesting because it makes me wonder ¿What is a video entitled "U2 vs. A-ha" doing on YOUR profile that was made BY YOU in order to get it off your chest because of a so called U2 rip-off that is insistently hammering your nuts? Nice try mate. Now I know that if I get to feel gay someday and wanna listen to a gay Pop song I can go and have a look at your profile or message you on Youtube. Lucky me that's never going to happen so fuck off, you A-ha fan.
@emarum U2 hater? Amusing. So pop music is definitely your thing. Keep it up with your "shallow pop music" comment... it will come close to affect me some day specially coming from an A-ha closet fan. As for my "stalking" ¿Did you click on "I Agree" when creating a public profile to upload your self-made poppy videos but still want them hidden from other users to see? Weew! Thicko alert...
@TheSoftMachineisaMan A comment about Lennon/The Beatles. First, him & Frank were Peers. Literally the same age. 2) You can easily argue that the Beatles paid their dues: Gigging quite a bit in Hamburg, Liverpool. They helped import to europe american r&r during those times. Circa 1961/62. You have to keep in mind those times; Europe just starting to put wwII behind them. And even by 1961 anyone could see that kids were having fun with r&r. But yea. Beatles songs? Trite. Silly love songs
@occasm Well, I 'will' admit that that does seem kindof harsh. But really allmost all the Beatles songs up until Revolver were kindof inocuous. 'Love Me Do..'P.S. I Love You'..Musically they're good..but tunes to be played on Valentines Day. Music for 16 year olds & under. Just my opinion (perhaps being controversial..but oh well). I think it's kindof like this: The Beatles were just 'that big'. Don't get me wrong I love them..But they're a reason why Frank/mothers wrote music. cont'd
The Mothers of Ivent. wrote a Song titled 'You Did'nt Try to Call Me'..& its kindof mocking/goofing on songs like 'Your gonna lose that girl' & 'No Reply' . Anyway. You know who kindof reminds me of the Beatles? (the early Beatles. That in particular is what I'm being critical/teasing about) Justin Beiber. He's being promoted as 'that wholesome boy'. The early Beatles were no different.
-I still like the Beatles stuff in their "hippy" phase-but I prefer the early skinny tie power pop when they were -a hard playin' rhythm and blues inspired rock n roll band. The hippy stuff felt like a drug twinged attempt to be "arty" maybe that wasn't the intent, but it it has always felt pretentious to me. even when the songs were good-like all of Abbey Road. -Zappa-was ALWAYS Zappa-and he never came off as pretentious. he was just weird-WITHOUT drugs. I loved that.
@skaterat121 This I think I can agree to, as a pop songwriter John Lennon was great, and as a serious composer FZ was great. I don't not like John Lennon, I just think comparing the two on musical talent and giftedness etc is silly because FZ was the obviously more skilled. I prefer him, others may not, but to argue that fact is hilarious. Haha, either way I still listen to both. Plastic Ono Band is nice.
@TheSoftMachineisaMan The arguments are silly. If you love this 60s music explosion then you have to admit that it was filled with a group of talented and ambitious amateurs. Zappa was this guy who happened on a weird road getting into Varese and learning about serious composition on his own and took the art of musicianship seriously and rehearsed and practiced his compositions seriously.. Lennon couldn't be bothered to rehearse or write new songs in the last year of beatles life..
@LBrilliante .. and I LOVE Lennon.. I'm a huge Beatle fan.. but to listen to a band that achieved what it achieved early on and to claim that they then were significantly different as a band when they did Dear Prudence or Here Comes the Sun than they were when they did Drive My Car or Rain defies logic. They hit on a good groove and rode it for six years till they got sick of each other. Made a lot of nice tunes.. but compared to Miles Davis or Buddy Rich or Zappa or even The Zombies? C'mon!
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scootosan 6 days ago
I don't think John wanted to offend anyone. I think he just didn't think things through. He was not book-smart. So it's possible that the copyright stuff never even crossed his mind.
chapaev36 1 week ago
Lennon's music is so overrated. Just another example of commercial success through following the pop formula. Zappa is quite the opposite. Truly talented and successful despite the fact that he wasn't radio-friendly.
lunchmeatslinky 3 weeks ago
@jackshel @fashioncorpse @PAULLONDEN @mumfucka I can't be bothered going on about the subject and to be perfectly honest I barely care about it. I commented on a whim one day. It was probably late, I was probably tired, I was probably listening to music and I was probably feeling brave. I'm generally a pretty shy person, even when commenting online. So I say we all relax and listen to this watch?v=oRp1G8Po3tM Much love and happiness to you all, in all seriousness.
ZoeEC 1 month ago
Doesn't surprise me concerning John and Yoko. Zappa was the truest, most honest guy – a consummate human being. I'd have loved to have met him.
freebirdfire1 1 month ago 6
It sounds like Phil Spector must have been the one to mix the stuff the way it was. Remember when Paul McCartney got outraged when Spector messed with his song "The Long and Winding Road"?
srunequester66 2 months ago
@srunequester66 Yes, again it's very likely that someone just did the thinking for Lennon. Lennon was just not the kind of person to mastermind an evil plan. For all we know, Yoko pulled the strings while John was getting high.
chapaev36 1 week ago
Begin factual is not being a dick. King Kong is actually a very famous piece of music by Zappa and it would piss me off to have anyone else take credit, that's a big no-no. I'm surprised Zappa did not sue, he would have prevailed.
talkingwall 2 months ago
Exactly..John Lennon got shot cos he was greedy? I hope whoever said that gets executed outside Pizza Hut
jaspurr77 2 months ago
That Lennon was really an arrogant SOG. This sounds just up his alley. Just because he was in the Beatles the guy thinks he is god.
johnnystaccata 2 months ago
@johnnystaccata to be fair john lennon is one of the best song writers of all time but thats not an excuse to be a dick
TheWarialb 2 months ago
Let's discard all the sociological detritus about Mr.Z and let's discuss his art music.
Easleytee 2 months ago
it sounds as though frank zappa also could mixed and released the tape,legally,himself.why was there no legal action taken?
reg5381 2 months ago
None of you people know anything about this...like me.....and the replies here are fucking fantastic...a bunch of wannabes putting down brilliant artists.......none of you knew frank...so dont think you're as smart or as hip as he was.....cos you're not....you are fucking assholes
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
john Lennon's greed is the reason he got shot
thatfatautisticnegro 3 months ago
@thatfatautisticnegro you didnt know frank so stop kissing ass
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma can't tell if trying to hard, trolling, or just being stupid.
thatfatautisticnegro 3 months ago
@thatfatautisticnegro oh whatsa matta booby...my comment make you mad?????
TOUGH...DEAL WITH IT :) :)
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma
>you mad and deal with it in 2011?
wow you're a faggot
thatfatautisticnegro 3 months ago
@thatfatautisticnegro a fat fucking retard calling someone else a faggot.......pretty good...hopefully you fall down a flight of stairs in your retard chair...you fat fucking retarded afflicted waste
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma Wow, you are so hardcore. You're p edgy and cool as well.
thatfatautisticnegro 3 months ago
@thatfatautisticnegro dont ever forget it chubbs
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma you're one cool dude
thatfatautisticnegro 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma ~autism xd
djtcadyAKATheSpook 3 months ago
john Lennon is way overrated.
lokotron1 3 months ago
@lokotron1 you.......will die as you are....a complete nobody....frank would kick your fucking ass for posting this....you dick
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@Oreeyemma i dont fight in youtube. thats for weak souls.
lokotron1 2 months ago
@lokotron1 ...
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So says a person who's opinion nobody gives a fuck about.
creaturebotman 3 months ago
@creaturebotman got you to reply.......LOLOL, dolt
Oreeyemma 3 months ago
@creaturebotman i dont fight in youtube. thats for weak souls.
lokotron1 2 months ago
@lokotron1 you've lost your soul....long time ago...god thinks you were a mistake...happy holidays :) :)
Oreeyemma 2 months ago
@Oreeyemma I cant believe that someone can so blindly follow someone up to the point he just needs to insult in a completely ridicule and UN-argumented way anything or anyone hwo dosent follow or agrees hes pseudo messiah.
DIZamudio 2 months ago
@DIZamudio then stop answering me you complete retard!
Oreeyemma 2 months ago
@Oreeyemma If someone is going to act in such a stupid way I believe is my responsibility to identify him so we dont make the mistake to listen to that person again.
DIZamudio 2 months ago
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arzoyan 3 months ago
I love both John and Frank
Django5198 3 months ago 2
Another proof of yoko evilness.
slonamu 3 months ago
I need to check out Zappa properly, I never have. I just wanted to say that Lennon knew more than anybody how much of a prick he could be, and he'd be the first to admit it. With Lennon we don't bow down to a god but hold hands with a fellow human, and I think peace within himself was a constant battle for him and that's why he was attracted to the cause, he wanted to be a better person. Also, music is a feeling, not how fancy you can be with an instrument in your hands. Play from the heart.
ZoeEC 4 months ago 4
Apparently, Lennon and Spector ruined a piece of musical history. Yoko is just art.
jackshel 3 months ago
@ZoeEC "Playing from the heart" is for those without talent.
fashioncorpse 3 months ago
@fashioncorpse lol sure it is
ZoeEC 3 months ago
@ZoeEC Oh, so you are one of those crazy people that think you need "heart" and "soul" in order to be a great musician not a "brain" and "dexterity" and "cohesion with the other musicians" and "a strong will" If I was creating a "dream band" of musicians to play together Zappa would be on that list, Lennon would not. Reason why: Zappa could play an instrument well and had a far better creative mind.
fashioncorpse 3 months ago
@fashioncorpse Jeez, no I don't think you NEED to have "heart" and "soul" to be a great musician, obviously, I simply just enjoy it more when they do. It's a completely different thing than musicianship. I'm sure Zappa was a great musician but that's besides the point. How someone enjoys music isn't a science and I prioritise making good sounds over how fancy you can be. But that's just me. I wouldn't say someone was crazy for appreciating things from a slightly different perspective than you.
ZoeEC 3 months ago 9
@ZoeEC I'm feeling like Zappa's version about how did he met Lennon & Yoko Ono seems to be very true. If so, I can only laugh imagining what kind of situation he had to deal! Shit! I think he knew well and he handled pretty good too. There's nothing you can do but listen of Frank Zappa's music, as soon as you should do with Lennon. Beyond the reputations of these two different musicians, I think the answer is in the whole Zappa's production. If you cut off Music and listen to lyrics...
mumfucka 1 month ago
...you can get a better idea how much his BALLS were big. Massimo rispetto per chi ha la minchia tanta
mumfucka 1 month ago
@ZoeEC Sure you would. And have. Fucking hypocrite.
musiccalgary 2 hours ago
@ZoeEC It takes a prick to know a prick....Lennon was already loosing it around 1971.
Not for all those starstruck Beetle fans though.
PAULLONDEN 1 month ago
@ZoeEC I recommend the studio albums "Overnite Sensation" and "Apostrophe" as really good and accessible albums. In particular, the tracks 50/50, Zombie Woof, Montana, I am the Slime (from Overnite Sensation).
aristotle358 1 month ago
Yoko is a free loading half wit., a no skill having coat tail rider of Lennon.
John Lennon is a pretend to be hippie that lives in a mansion and is delusional dreamer.
Zappo is legit and is awesome in every way human.
TheJovanist 4 months ago 3
@TheJovanist I just wonder who cares about the way how you perceive life.
aurinov 3 months ago
@TheJovanist Actually is funny how the first one was a aristrocrat pretending to be hippie, and the second a dirty hippie preteding to be an intellectual.
PodMaster2009 3 months ago
@PodMaster2009 Wow, someone doesn't know what they're talking about. In no way was Lennon ever an Aristocrat (in the class sense;) and in no way was Zappa ever a hippie, he was quite intelligent however. I mean, at least he could construct a sentence correctly.
LipanConjuring8519 3 months ago
@TheJovanist Maybe he's a dreamer, but he's not the only one.
Lizardking270 3 months ago
@TheJovanist You sound like a bitter little nobody talking about John Lennon like that. Typical pretentious wannabe pseudo-hack
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duhhh187 2 months ago
@TheJovanist he's dead you know that..
looks like he's not the only delusional one.
duhhh187 2 months ago
@TheJovanist and you still have no talent.......2 months later.
Oreeyemma 2 months ago
@Oreeyemma I just state what I see. That is all.
TheJovanist 2 months ago
Lennon probably put that echo on there like Instant Karma has. He was doing that. He also did it on Whatever Gets You Through the Night.
johnnystaccata 4 months ago
Yoko Ono is..... the Revenge of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.....!
alzhammer1 4 months ago
frank zappa .. a true gentleman ... .. yoko ruined that concert. she was woeful as usual
michaelaussie1 4 months ago
Wow...so many comments by very young children!!
jhaduvala 4 months ago
lennon was too pride for nothing!egomaniac!
holicat098 4 months ago
I used to think Zappa was a big jerk, but because of him much hypocrisy was exposed among the many Music Celebs from the 1960s and 1970s that the World and Public never knew about..
BBQFanNo1 4 months ago
The Beatle I liked the most though not perfect as a human being is George Harrison. Always have and always will. Even though I do not believe in his religious philosophy, Harrison was an excellent guitar player and as much a good songwriter if not better songwriter than the other Beatles.
BBQFanNo1 4 months ago
If you can think of the ugliest and sickess stomach nauseating looking person... Yoko Ono is it.
BBQFanNo1 4 months ago
John and Yoko were assholes,but did Zappa like or respect ANYONE??
johnnyd63 4 months ago
@johnnyd63
Yes, he had people he liked and people he respected, but he was the kind of man that didn't believe in liking things just because others like them or giving respect where it wasn't due.
Galactu5 4 months ago
Zappa is understandably upset at what is tantamount to an act of piracy on the part of Lennon.However what I found most amusing in this interview is Zapp recounting how Lennon retitled King Kong as Jam Rag.By the way Zappa pronounces the words (emphasis on 'rag') it's clear that he didn't realise John was perhaps taking the piss in more ways than one.For as any Brit will tell you,'Jam Rag' (emphasis on 'Jam') is a slang term for tampon!
seerauberjohnny 5 months ago
Great pictures....
joe3barrera 5 months ago
five directions............fornication unto consent of the king of vitruvian man.
noodlesmealey 5 months ago
frank is overrated. (hes was a freemason) he got his ideas from his military dad.(like many of the "rest on your laurels" from laurel canyon- and was told how to exe-cute them psyop....leary and liddy.
noodlesmealey 5 months ago
@noodlesmealey CLEAN YOUR ROOM!!!!!
citizenterryk 5 months ago
@noodlesmealey
LMFAO! WTF Does being a Freemason have to do with the guy's talent? Holy Shit! You have some issues. Anything you're NOT down on? His dad was military - BFD! So Frank most likely had some discipline? And this is also somehow bad in your view? You don't know dick about Zappa however, you have managed to tell the world with 1 small paragraph just what a pin dick you are. WTF Did you ever do - I mean besides bitch about shit you know nothing about? Go fuck off in 5 directions -
excidedous 5 months ago
@noodlesmealey - five directions. that sounds like venus transit... is this the weasel?
well first off his premise isnt original, its all taken from kaballah and the biblical story.
but sure he was talented- after keneally, belew and vai....(excell the teachers) essentially the three unclean spirits in metaphor.(and why would frank tell them to 'continue the work'... would you like to debate on the INSIDE song meanings? -the 1960's nazi psy-op. good thing fwak paid em all.
noodlesmealey 5 months ago
@noodlesmealey exactly
Mr1979longhorn 5 months ago
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It's a funny place to keep a door, in your pants.
whitedwarf13 5 months ago
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BlackSunSerenade 5 months ago
I've been watching and listening to a lot of Frank Zappa stuff on Youtube and I've slowly begun to realize how profound Mr. Zappa was. How naive have I been for so long? What a brilliant man he was. I feel that after watching all of these videos that I am better now. Thank you Mr. Zappa.
okcmallrat 6 months ago 2
Yoko Oh No!!!
wreyoG 6 months ago
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Death0wn 6 months ago
Boy I just lost a whole lotta respect for John Lennon
sourjaws 6 months ago 2
i remember hearing John Lennon talk about his philosophies on life and i just though "i bet frank zappa would fucking hate this guy" turns out i was right, but for another reason. what a douche move on Johns Part.
MjXllcommando 6 months ago
Lennon was a bit of a cunt wasnt he?
TheGibson5150 7 months ago 25
@TheGibson5150 yeah he was. he was a talented cunt though.
MjXllcommando 6 months ago
@TheGibson5150 Yeah, just a little.
theskycavedin 5 months ago
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BBQFanNo1 4 months ago
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@TheGibson5150 Lennon the Blasphemer and a cunt. Yoko is the blasphemer too and ugly wart hog from hell.
BBQFanNo1 4 months ago
I don't understand why there's an argument, here. I'm a musician/songwriter/composer and I appreciate Frank Zappa, John Lennon, the Beatles, Patti Smith, John Coltrane, Woody Guthrie - they're all different. There's no comparison between Zappa & the Mothers, & Lennon & the Beatles. It's apples and oranges.
kerrgal 7 months ago
That story about Lennon stealing King Kong and calling it Jam Rag pisses me off... what made him think he had the right to do that? AAARGH...
whitedwarf13 7 months ago 3
They're both talented folks with personal flaws.
Koolkitties 7 months ago
At least Zappa could write great music whilst sober.
willscomix 7 months ago 8
@willscomix How is that relevant?
Tengent 7 months ago
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT! You guys are missing the point.
Benrockn247 7 months ago
Why do so many people think Zappa was somehow, "less successful" than Lennon? That's a load of crap to begin with.
halalbackgirl 7 months ago
I don't "get" Zappa. He has this image of being all weird and crazy when he wasn't at all despite his music which is like comedy record type shit. And he never did drugs so whats the deal...ooh hes like a natural freak and all wild and crazy with funny toy music and a musical composing genius so what fuck him I don't give a shit.
DaveS12382 7 months ago
@DaveS12382 Dude have you heard Uncle Remus? THat's way better than anything Lennon ever did - that's my theme music man ...
Nautilus1972 7 months ago
And people still wonder why he did not trust people in the industry. So sad...
MrUndersolo 7 months ago
Zappa - great musician in all fields, not just rock.
Lenon - Die hippie, die... (S.P lovers will understand)
splinadero 7 months ago 2
What year was this recorded?
tall32guy 8 months ago
@tall32guy Nobody will ever Know, So it Seem's...
MrHideyoursheep 7 months ago
Maybe I'm partial, but Zappa is like the sanest person I know in the shitty world. Nobodies perfect, but He helps some of us very much.
rgaleny 8 months ago 13
Well what'd he'd expect..John and Yoko were damn hippies and typical pretentious musicians. So of course they would make it "weird" and shred up what it was. And as for trying to steal it from him, as Zappa would say himself...it's a business. Just a business. this time he got involved in a bad deal
tiki2188 9 months ago
what a hippie like lennon was a ripoff , i thought they loved peace and equality. guess he loved profits also. stinking hippies.
TheTimmoody 9 months ago
So Lennon ? Trie's to rip Frank Zappa Off...What a peice of shit...I had my doubt's about that whole hippy shit thing,You know lying in bed all week for peace....What a load of shit....Lennon was a missguided foul ....RIP Frank Zappa...
letmeinpleaze 9 months ago 3
@2PinkFreuds If you look at the cover of "We're Only in it for the Money" you will see that Zappa's album has a cover that looks like a parody of Sgt. Pooper's Hippo Fart's Club Band, it is that way because the Feebles put out their rip off Sgt. Pooper's before Zappa got his out. They did not steal the whole album, but Harrison stole ideas for the sound effects, so Zappa's cover parodies theirs. For a successful artist, this just shows that mr peace-love-LSD, John Lennon, was a selfish dickweed.
videocanone 11 months ago 4
@davemhudson He was being managed by Allen Klein at the time, who was pretty shady. That MIGHT have had something to do with it. My guess is Lennon just lost interest and told Klein to take care of it.
DejectedPanda 11 months ago
@mancheromanchero I could be mistaken, but isn't that the way Jimi played?
2PinkFreuds 11 months ago
@hhoh12 Well, what a lot of people forget - or at least don't think about, is that all that Beatles material, all those phases from the early mop-top through the more reflective period of Rubber Soul and Revolver, to the psychedelia of Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour, followed by the swan songs of Abbie Road and Let it Be, all of it - took place in a period of 10 years. Now that is pretty damn prolific. Frank had four times as much time.
2PinkFreuds 11 months ago
@2PinkFreuds I agree that it is prolific, but frank also put out more than 4 times as much material so what's you're point?
hhoh12 11 months ago
@hhoh12 You just made my point for me. You made the claim that Frank's body of work is 20 times bigger (though it's since grown to 40 - even dead, the man is prolific!), but he had four times as much time. So what is your point in stating that he put out four times as much material.
2PinkFreuds 11 months ago
@2PinkFreuds ...sorry, read the 4 as a 40.
2PinkFreuds 11 months ago
Ju8st further goes to prove my theory that John Lennon was a douche bag
3star2nr 11 months ago
Eih!! The young man with lenses on the side of Frank with the big music book its me! The picture was taken in Rome 81 or 82 in fron the the Excelsion hotel in via Veneto, where Frank was staying. I was there with a photographer friend, as a fan of Frank I was pretending to be his helper, called in by the Rome cartoonist Tanino Liberatore, who's cartoons Frank had spotted. We had a crucial session during which Frank asked Liberatore to paint the cover of his next album, The Man from Utopia.
bronione 11 months ago
@davemhudson
True, this is a one-sided account, but have you heard both versions of this material? Zappa's is on "Playground Psychotics" and Lennon's is on the disc appended to "Sometime In New York." Everything he says about the two mixes is 100% accurate. Lennon did a hatchet-job on The Mothers' material.
5jerry1 11 months ago
Can anybody tell me what s the mystery about f. zappa. I mean he dida lot of commercial music rock music in his certain style (album sheik yerbouti) , there were many jazz musician at that time doing more, serious ,noncommercial music. I don t like his kind of humour, exposing ugliness or cheapness. also. but some people call him a god or something like that, why?
simoon22 1 year ago
@simoon22 I know precisely what you're talking about. It's not that I have anything against technically accomplished stringsters - a couple of my favorites are Steve Morse and Bela Fleck - but if I want farce, I turn to the Stooges (and I don't mean Iggy) or Benny Hill.
2PinkFreuds 11 months ago
@simoon22 If you'd ever heard Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo or even Frank Zappa and the London Symphony Orchestra vols. 1 &2 or even The Yellow Shark, you'd come to understand that not many composers past or present share the same level of musical diversity and dexterity as Frank Zappa.
TheSoftMachineisaMan 10 months ago
@simoon22 We can't tell you the mystery, its there for you to hear it. He never made music just to sell it, he made music for no1 reason cause he loved it. Noncommercial music? what is this ? you make music, record it and than dig it so nobady can find and buy it? What makes u laght?
splinadero 7 months ago
Frank just be happy that John even gave you the time of day!
dutchschultz85 1 year ago
rolf, some of these old comments are realy funny
MegaYoshitsune 1 year ago
Why does it hurt when i pee?
KnorpelDelux 1 year ago
@KnorpelDelux you caught it from the toilet seat.
TheBilly1972 1 year ago
@TheBilly1972 Oh crap...that might be the reason. Thank you, Doc.
KnorpelDelux 1 year ago
"Nothing to kill or die for for." Are you kidding me? Do you mean to tell me there is no one you'd kill or die for? You wouldn't kill to save the life of your child if he or she were in danger?
fkappreciative 1 year ago
@fkappreciative -- I believe the line "Nothing to kill or die for" referred to a dream of a perfect world where's there'd be no wars nor anyone threatening the life of your child. Obviously you missed the point.
WytZox1 11 months ago
@fkappreciative its called imagine for a reason.
DejectedPanda 11 months ago 33
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@DejectedPanda I can assure you, if there would have been a New York cop nearby to put a bullet in Chapman's head before he could kill him, Yoko or Sean, Lennone would've been thanking the cop for his display of violence. Nothing to kill or die for? Isn't Sean, Yoko and Julian worth John Lennon fighting and dying for? If not, Lennon's a pussy and I have no use for him or people like him who won't defend themselves or their families.
fkappreciative 11 months ago
@fkappreciative I think you missed my point. Lennon wasn't writing about the real world.
DejectedPanda 11 months ago
@fkappreciative I agree with that, but again... it's called IMAGINE. IMAGINE a world so perfect that there's never a need for violence. Not the world we live in, but a world we'd like to live in.
GilbertSmith 10 months ago
@fkappreciative I think you just misinterpreted the song. He is not saying he would not kill anyone. He is saying imagine how good the world would be if there were no psychos like Chapman period. If that was the case then Chapman wouldn't kill anyone, and Lennon wouldn't have to kill Chapman in self-defence. The song is saying, just imagine if the world could be so perfect (knowing full well that it is not perfect.) Hope that helps.
boogiefever1985 9 months ago 3
@boogiefever1985 I agree 100%, you nailed it. thmbup.
Elricck 9 months ago
@fkappreciative It's a song about imaging a world where nobody would hurt anybody, so there would be no possible way to die for someone.
And I think Lennon cared for his family very much and would do anything to put them out of harm's way, but he just wasn't singing about a world where you could die for another.
PorkytheHedgehog 9 months ago
@DejectedPanda
Pacifists sit on their self-righteous asses while those realists who admit the world is not a perfect place (and won't ever be) do what they have to do to make life on Earth better and safer for EVERYBODY, including hippie feel-gooders.
Without the Churchills of the world to help do the dirty work, the Hitlers would dominate everything.
bobshenix 11 months ago
@DejectedPanda Best comment ever!
splinadero 7 months ago
@fkappreciative
it's about war
cristiuscatu 9 months ago
@fkappreciative You really missed the point didn't you. Imagaine if you didn't have to kill or die for anything....
rhoffer21 9 months ago
@fkappreciative Whats John was trying to say in those lyrics is that we should change the context of the world so we wouldn't have nothing to kill or die for not that you don't have something to kill or die for in the present or in Johns times.
DIZamudio 6 months ago
WHAT..... YOKO STIRRING UP TROUBLE? never heard of such a thing.
wc4dblues 1 year ago
Both had A type personalities Zappa should have remixed another album of that evening, I liked both musicians. Zappa had far more musical ability, John was a better lyric writer. Yoko should have been shot instead.
Comedyrighter 1 year ago
Only Zappa would be so ridiculous to think, and say it, that when he was first introduced to John and Yoko, at his door´s hotel door, that Alan Klein expected him to be impressed and that, in fact, he wasn´t. That´s why a Zappa search in youtube yields 6,000 clips, while Lennon´s does over 215,000. Zappa was impressed by what he thought was his brilliance, a terrible attribute if I ever thought of one.
pulmon66 1 year ago
@pulmon66 Thats a very stupid reasoning you have there. Amount of videos does not equal musical ability. Zappa was all around a better musician and person, Lennon was a better lyricist.
SantasEvilHelper 1 year ago
@pulmon66 Only Lennon would've been so easily duped by someone as manipulative as Yoko.
kurtizzyflush 1 year ago
@kurtizzyflush -- A great anti drug ad would show a photo of lovely Cynthia Lennon (John's 1st wife before he got into drug use) and then a photo of Yoko Ono (John's 2nd wife after he got into pot, LSD and who knows what else). And while I'm on the subject, marrying Hillary is proof that Bill Clinton did indeed inhale de ganja!☺
WytZox1 11 months ago
@pulmon66 You idiot, John Lennon couldn't touch Frank Zappa compositionally, the difference between their success was that John Lennon went totally for fame and stardom right off the bat with The Beatles, while Zappa didn't make compromises and worked independently most of his career. Frank Zappa's music is more imaginative (without psychoactive drugs) and more complex and cerebral. I think Zappa was justified in not being surprised, if anything, Lennon should have been honored to meet him.
TheSoftMachineisaMan 10 months ago 37
@TheSoftMachineisaMan So Zappa was that sort of genius artist who didn't want his work to be reproduced massively all around the world for it to know. haha, nice try mate. ¿What's the point in being an artist then? ¿A monumentally fantastic piece of work to be listen by a bunch of freako's? And you call that "to work independently" when you're ugly, treat your band like shit and your songs are infused with puerile sexual inuendo. Zappa was a genius, just way less succesful than Lennon. PERIOD.
buzonperiodista 10 months ago 2
@buzonperiodista You mean, of course, commercially successfull. Twat.
emarum 5 months ago
Sorry, the "twat" remark was unnecessary.
emarum 5 months ago
@emarum I mean in every way, twat (this time the "twat" remark is absolutely necessary)
buzonperiodista 5 months ago
@buzonperiodista Yeye, stick to your shallow pop music, buddy.
emarum 5 months ago
@emarum Mmhh, interesting reply my man. Interesting because it makes me wonder ¿What is a video entitled "U2 vs. A-ha" doing on YOUR profile that was made BY YOU in order to get it off your chest because of a so called U2 rip-off that is insistently hammering your nuts? Nice try mate. Now I know that if I get to feel gay someday and wanna listen to a gay Pop song I can go and have a look at your profile or message you on Youtube. Lucky me that's never going to happen so fuck off, you A-ha fan.
buzonperiodista 5 months ago
@buzonperiodista Not an A-ha fan. Just a U2 hater. Checking out my profile, eh? Psycho alert...
emarum 5 months ago
@emarum U2 hater? Amusing. So pop music is definitely your thing. Keep it up with your "shallow pop music" comment... it will come close to affect me some day specially coming from an A-ha closet fan. As for my "stalking" ¿Did you click on "I Agree" when creating a public profile to upload your self-made poppy videos but still want them hidden from other users to see? Weew! Thicko alert...
buzonperiodista 5 months ago
@buzonperiodista ... you're a psycho.
household93 5 months ago
@household93 Ok, go on...
buzonperiodista 5 months ago
@buzonperiodista jeje calmate marik
emarum 5 months ago
@emarum A-ha! Scrotum shrinkage!
buzonperiodista 5 months ago
@TheSoftMachineisaMan A comment about Lennon/The Beatles. First, him & Frank were Peers. Literally the same age. 2) You can easily argue that the Beatles paid their dues: Gigging quite a bit in Hamburg, Liverpool. They helped import to europe american r&r during those times. Circa 1961/62. You have to keep in mind those times; Europe just starting to put wwII behind them. And even by 1961 anyone could see that kids were having fun with r&r. But yea. Beatles songs? Trite. Silly love songs
jamesnich99 8 months ago
@jamesnich99 dude you must be kidding about the trite silly love songs bit. Really
occasm 7 months ago
@occasm Well, I 'will' admit that that does seem kindof harsh. But really allmost all the Beatles songs up until Revolver were kindof inocuous. 'Love Me Do..'P.S. I Love You'..Musically they're good..but tunes to be played on Valentines Day. Music for 16 year olds & under. Just my opinion (perhaps being controversial..but oh well). I think it's kindof like this: The Beatles were just 'that big'. Don't get me wrong I love them..But they're a reason why Frank/mothers wrote music. cont'd
jamesnich99 7 months ago
@jamesnich99 Aw man, c'mon. As soon as they toked up and turned on, the Beatles were untouchable as a group overall.
Nautilus1972 7 months ago
The Mothers of Ivent. wrote a Song titled 'You Did'nt Try to Call Me'..& its kindof mocking/goofing on songs like 'Your gonna lose that girl' & 'No Reply' . Anyway. You know who kindof reminds me of the Beatles? (the early Beatles. That in particular is what I'm being critical/teasing about) Justin Beiber. He's being promoted as 'that wholesome boy'. The early Beatles were no different.
jamesnich99 7 months ago
@TheSoftMachineisaMan Dude, your comments are really Surreal. Do you even listen to music?
occasm 7 months ago
@TheSoftMachineisaMan
-I still like the Beatles stuff in their "hippy" phase-but I prefer the early skinny tie power pop when they were -a hard playin' rhythm and blues inspired rock n roll band. The hippy stuff felt like a drug twinged attempt to be "arty" maybe that wasn't the intent, but it it has always felt pretentious to me. even when the songs were good-like all of Abbey Road. -Zappa-was ALWAYS Zappa-and he never came off as pretentious. he was just weird-WITHOUT drugs. I loved that.
trapadoored 6 months ago
@TheSoftMachineisaMan Lennon was a songwriter. Zappa was a composer. Both brilliant.
skaterat121 6 months ago
@skaterat121 This I think I can agree to, as a pop songwriter John Lennon was great, and as a serious composer FZ was great. I don't not like John Lennon, I just think comparing the two on musical talent and giftedness etc is silly because FZ was the obviously more skilled. I prefer him, others may not, but to argue that fact is hilarious. Haha, either way I still listen to both. Plastic Ono Band is nice.
TheSoftMachineisaMan 6 months ago
@TheSoftMachineisaMan The arguments are silly. If you love this 60s music explosion then you have to admit that it was filled with a group of talented and ambitious amateurs. Zappa was this guy who happened on a weird road getting into Varese and learning about serious composition on his own and took the art of musicianship seriously and rehearsed and practiced his compositions seriously.. Lennon couldn't be bothered to rehearse or write new songs in the last year of beatles life..
LBrilliante 2 weeks ago
@LBrilliante .. and I LOVE Lennon.. I'm a huge Beatle fan.. but to listen to a band that achieved what it achieved early on and to claim that they then were significantly different as a band when they did Dear Prudence or Here Comes the Sun than they were when they did Drive My Car or Rain defies logic. They hit on a good groove and rode it for six years till they got sick of each other. Made a lot of nice tunes.. but compared to Miles Davis or Buddy Rich or Zappa or even The Zombies? C'mon!