You're way off base and dangerous: autistic kids need help not false propaganda. The people who need help hopefully are NOT buying your load of crap!!
Where is your research to back up this BS. And dont go using a registered nurse to help bolster your quacky claims. Cite some freaken articles, numbnuts.
There IS mercury and poison in the vaccines. For fuck sakes I have the H1N1 vaccine box to me. Thimerisol and other poisonous chemicals.
How the fuck can you say autism is bullshit?
Have you ever met a kid with full blown autism? Try to talk to him, make funny faces, do something. He will not respond and will completely ignore you and go on laughing and saying gibberish no matter hard you try to communicate with them.
- The number of administered vaccines increased by 2-3 times in the last 20-30 years (in the US, in other countries children receive a smaller number of vaccines). Is there any evidence that this increase has positive effects on the health of the children?
In addition you can't compare today's child mortality with the child mortality of 200 years ago (just think of the nutrition, hygiene, housing, water, ...).
My own sister has become one of these anti-vaccination idiot followers of Jenny McCarthy. It's sad that people won't listen to reason and it's even worse since she has a kid now.
That's sad. I think the problem is that some people have absolutely no sense of causality. "Is mercury the cause of autism or not?" they ask and then confuse causation with correlation by looking at some statistics.
This is the same dynamic (government control of science, an insulation from personal consequences, leading to irresponsiblity) which led to the lipid hypothesis as the cause of obesity.
You think the immunization issue is a big deal, try that one on for size.
I think it's an evolutionary reaction. Just as the body reacts to many non-threatening diseases by vomiting, the mind becomes fearful if there is a possibility. The false positives that can occur in our mind are because it's better to always react rather than never react. I know it's not "logical" but that's how the body "thinks".
I wouldn't be so quick to associate human behavior with evolution. On the one hand you have an evolutionary developed simple pattern recognition which leads an individual to imagining he saw a lion in the bushes when no lion was there. On the other hand you've got a complex behavior of a human mind that has to judge concepts like 'diseases', 'vaccines', and the validity of theories about them. Not much in evolution has prepared humans for this.
"Not much in evolution has prepared humans for this."
Exactly! It's the same thing as having an irrational fear. I think of it as a main stream conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are similar to our fight or flight response, we get it even when we don't need it. The reason why this particular phenomenon is affecting the intelligence of society is that they are naturally more skeptical, and it's easier to be skeptical and fearful than rational and objective.
Even if you have doubts over the safety of the MMR vaccine due to the mercury content, or the fact it hits the system pretty hard becasue it has three live (attenuated) virii, this is still no reason to avoid vaccination for these diseases. Mercury free individual shots are available. I don't know the cost in the US, but in the UK private clinics charge about £100 for each of these vacinations, £300 doesn't seem a high price for peace of mind in my opinion.
The map of resurgent measles outbreaks in the UK is also following the pattern you report. It is hitting affluent middle class areas, ironically areas where people can generally easily afford £300. Of course, here in the UK people have long been conditioned to the idea that healthcare is the states responsibility rather than the family's and so just don't bother to examine private vaccine provision even when opting out of the national programme .
Oh my god, my partner for this big project that I've been working on all semester is a kid like the one you're talking about. He's been told his whole life that he just can't pay attention very well and has been given (and is still being given) extra time to take tests and things like that. Now he uses this as an excuse for being fucking lazy. It's infuriating trying to work with him sometimes.
Well you've definetly got one thing wrong. Autism isn't a disease and has been overpublisised by the money mongerers (Autism Speaks) as an extremely severe condition when in most cases autism is not bad.
It's the product of the ignorance of what's not in front of you. Only people who have never been witness to the horrors of measles or similar could think to fail to vaccinate their children against them.
MrCropper, in the video it was stated the diseases are popping up in affluent areas among educated families. If true, why do you think this is happening, given all things being equal, we believe more education translates into better decisions?
Does being educated lead to an increased likelihood of irrationally distrusting authority? Perhaps an increased tolerance for theory untethered to experience, history, and empirical observation? What gives?
"more education translates into better decisions..."
Oh contraire. That would be true of proper education, but the scare-mongering racket that runs 95% of the education in America has spread this tripe at every step. The problem isn't educatedness as such, but the government monopoly in education.
Also, the general hysteria about all things man-made and a fetish for "nature" is a serious factor.
You're way off base and dangerous: autistic kids need help not false propaganda. The people who need help hopefully are NOT buying your load of crap!!
Where is your research to back up this BS. And dont go using a registered nurse to help bolster your quacky claims. Cite some freaken articles, numbnuts.
TheDarknluvlee1 1 year ago
There IS mercury and poison in the vaccines. For fuck sakes I have the H1N1 vaccine box to me. Thimerisol and other poisonous chemicals.
How the fuck can you say autism is bullshit?
Have you ever met a kid with full blown autism? Try to talk to him, make funny faces, do something. He will not respond and will completely ignore you and go on laughing and saying gibberish no matter hard you try to communicate with them.
You know very little about biology
BrettDunbar 2 years ago
- The number of administered vaccines increased by 2-3 times in the last 20-30 years (in the US, in other countries children receive a smaller number of vaccines). Is there any evidence that this increase has positive effects on the health of the children?
In addition you can't compare today's child mortality with the child mortality of 200 years ago (just think of the nutrition, hygiene, housing, water, ...).
ForABetterTomorrow 2 years ago
My own sister has become one of these anti-vaccination idiot followers of Jenny McCarthy. It's sad that people won't listen to reason and it's even worse since she has a kid now.
MagnusIan 2 years ago
That's sad. I think the problem is that some people have absolutely no sense of causality. "Is mercury the cause of autism or not?" they ask and then confuse causation with correlation by looking at some statistics.
Virtueman1 2 years ago
great stuff!
buybulkwhey 2 years ago
This is the same dynamic (government control of science, an insulation from personal consequences, leading to irresponsiblity) which led to the lipid hypothesis as the cause of obesity.
You think the immunization issue is a big deal, try that one on for size.
grantsinmypants2 2 years ago
I think it's an evolutionary reaction. Just as the body reacts to many non-threatening diseases by vomiting, the mind becomes fearful if there is a possibility. The false positives that can occur in our mind are because it's better to always react rather than never react. I know it's not "logical" but that's how the body "thinks".
pookiehohn 2 years ago
I wouldn't be so quick to associate human behavior with evolution. On the one hand you have an evolutionary developed simple pattern recognition which leads an individual to imagining he saw a lion in the bushes when no lion was there. On the other hand you've got a complex behavior of a human mind that has to judge concepts like 'diseases', 'vaccines', and the validity of theories about them. Not much in evolution has prepared humans for this.
NotThat3 2 years ago
"Not much in evolution has prepared humans for this."
Exactly! It's the same thing as having an irrational fear. I think of it as a main stream conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are similar to our fight or flight response, we get it even when we don't need it. The reason why this particular phenomenon is affecting the intelligence of society is that they are naturally more skeptical, and it's easier to be skeptical and fearful than rational and objective.
pookiehohn 2 years ago
50$? Wasn't it 15$ last time? I hope that's a typo in all honesty.
drew335533 2 years ago
Why can't he change his rates?
Supply and demand!!!
Laissez Faire!
pookiehohn 2 years ago
Hahah no, of course he can change his rates. I'm just a little shocked by the change is all. =P
drew335533 2 years ago
Even if you have doubts over the safety of the MMR vaccine due to the mercury content, or the fact it hits the system pretty hard becasue it has three live (attenuated) virii, this is still no reason to avoid vaccination for these diseases. Mercury free individual shots are available. I don't know the cost in the US, but in the UK private clinics charge about £100 for each of these vacinations, £300 doesn't seem a high price for peace of mind in my opinion.
AnomalousDataPoint 2 years ago
The map of resurgent measles outbreaks in the UK is also following the pattern you report. It is hitting affluent middle class areas, ironically areas where people can generally easily afford £300. Of course, here in the UK people have long been conditioned to the idea that healthcare is the states responsibility rather than the family's and so just don't bother to examine private vaccine provision even when opting out of the national programme .
AnomalousDataPoint 2 years ago
there are people with autism
905rocks 2 years ago
Oh my god, my partner for this big project that I've been working on all semester is a kid like the one you're talking about. He's been told his whole life that he just can't pay attention very well and has been given (and is still being given) extra time to take tests and things like that. Now he uses this as an excuse for being fucking lazy. It's infuriating trying to work with him sometimes.
Beethovens7th 2 years ago
Well you've definetly got one thing wrong. Autism isn't a disease and has been overpublisised by the money mongerers (Autism Speaks) as an extremely severe condition when in most cases autism is not bad.
BenedictC 2 years ago
Non-science with a tangible and direct body count.
There doesn't need to be a high percentage of people not getting shots to start getting outbreaks....
ColemanMulkerin 2 years ago
i'm not surprised to hear that NPR carried that story...
IChoseTheRedPill 2 years ago
It's the product of the ignorance of what's not in front of you. Only people who have never been witness to the horrors of measles or similar could think to fail to vaccinate their children against them.
7freddie7 2 years ago
What do you think of the swine flu vaccine?
Scoforever 2 years ago
People would rather have problems they don't understand than answers they don't like - paraphrasing.
603881 2 years ago
MrCropper, in the video it was stated the diseases are popping up in affluent areas among educated families. If true, why do you think this is happening, given all things being equal, we believe more education translates into better decisions?
Does being educated lead to an increased likelihood of irrationally distrusting authority? Perhaps an increased tolerance for theory untethered to experience, history, and empirical observation? What gives?
JHBowden79 2 years ago
"more education translates into better decisions..."
Oh contraire. That would be true of proper education, but the scare-mongering racket that runs 95% of the education in America has spread this tripe at every step. The problem isn't educatedness as such, but the government monopoly in education.
Also, the general hysteria about all things man-made and a fetish for "nature" is a serious factor.
MrCropper 2 years ago