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Excelente trabalho! Este vídeo faz parte de minha lista de reprodução de vídeos da disciplina História da Música III, do curso de Regência da ETEC de Ourinhos (Centro Paula Souza. A lista está baseada no livro de Roy Bennett, Uma Breve História da Música.
@Grime1996 It would be boring if people kept making the same kind of music, now wouldn't it? Actually, I believe a lot of people today are making this kind of music. So that is boring.
Considering the time period in which this was made, the techniques used are quite interesting, to say the least. Another electronic music gem from the early '60s that I recommend (for those interested) is Terry Riley's 'Mescalin Mix' (featuring early, experimental usage of tape loops).
what people must understand is this arrangement of sound requires an intellectual understanding, it is philosophical and addresses sound inwards. To understand it is not the point, understanding has no function to sounds inner. The listener should approach this with a non material mind. I advise people to look at the art and writings of kandinsky and that of the abstract expressionists. To even say you do not understand this is a self declaration of not understanding oneself or puropse
He taped sounds of the universe in Radio Berlin and built these fantastic productions that take us back to "chaotic" essence of Creation. Only a few can appreciate and enjoy his genius. The rest can keep listening and enjoying bad pop music because that is as far as their musical capability goes. The rest of us, we really love this daring sounds.
It's not surprising to read opinions lake eddypfunk's. He has no musical formation. Musi is appreciated from its roots up. Rythm is basic (everybody dances), melody follows, (most can sing, not all in tune), harmony (combined chords may be confusing to many), counterpoint (only understood and enjoyed by conoisseurs) and finally the reencounter with sounds in nature. Stockhausen was the first electronic musician in history.
@Gatofranco What you are saying is contradictory... Stockhausen's goal contrary to pierre schaeffer's musique concrete was to fully synthetise sounds with man made machines, thus there is no encounter or reencounter with sounds in nature.
Hah, love how this descends into the outro of Shady Lane by Pavement... These comments are ridiculous tho. It's a serialist composition, which means that a single equation controls a series of musical factors (tonality, pitch, distribution, structure etc.) It was realised over 2 years 1958-60 by Stockhausen and a team of engineers and would have sounded totally alien at the time. It's testament to the proliferation of synthesisers that anyone could consider this shit music. It's fuckin awesome!
studdying music, im looking at the sheet music for this and..... WHAT THE FUCK DUDE, GROW SOME INTELECT AND MAKE MUSIC THAT PPL LISTEN TO, SHEET MUSIC MAKES NO SENSE
Tiempo en disolución, río de formas, seres míticos, rostros saliendo de la serpiente, se ondea el espacio, vibra, pasa el río de los sueños a través de un juego de espejos y lentes, íntimo burbujear, tejido remoto de estrellas, se doblan, repiten, se fusionan los sonidos, colores, texturas en cambiantes formas, se unen se separan, saltan, cantan, aquí y allá giran y bailan y se pierden entre sueños...
Tiempo en disolución, río de formas, seres míticos, rostros saliendo de la serpiente, se ondea el espacio, vibra, pasa el río de los sueños a través de juego de espejos y lentes, íntimo burbujear y tejido remoto de estrellas, se doblan, repiten, fusionan los sonidos, colores, texturas y formas giran y bailan y se pierden...
Although I don't mind rock music per sé, but this is plain and simply out of place here and destroys definitely one of my favorite songs, so a thumbs down from me.
This reminds me of the small, seemingly incongruent sounds of being at home alone for a day. It's not the first time that it occurred to me that they might have a music of their own.
@Schneider10101 According to Websters Dictionary music is ": the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity" so according to this definition this piece is music. Now how you feel about a piece of music is another issue. Kontakte was one of a bunch of experiemnts to try to see how much could be altered in music to still have it fit the core definition. To each his own.
@Schneider10101 You miss the point of what sfrenchhorn07 was saying. It is an experiment, its not meant to be enjoyed as one can enjoy Jazz or a Symphony. It is intended to push the boundaries of music to their limits in order to find new ground. As far as being enjoyed goes, this kind of "music" is good for creating mood elements in films, in fact listening to this composition reminded me of the background sounds in THX-1138.
As a side note I actually like how the guitar slips in at the end.
I see what you're saying - had I been aware of this previously, I perhaps would have said something like "Interesting" rather than "simply brilliant" .
"Sounds like a robot masturbating," is probably my favourite response.
@Schneider10101 technically its not really enjoyable, its an intellectual exercise to be appreciated in that light...and as bwtanner77 said its groundbreaking...and this paves the way for others. i think if people had listened to artists like radiohead or any rock group back in 1920 they would have found it to be a terrible cacophony..like stravinskys rite of spring which is emminently listenable today but which caused outrage in the 1910s...
And that is exactly what irritates me about this - I understand everything you've said up to now, but I fail to see how various noises make 'intellectual' music, and that the minority of these pretentious buffoons look down on those who see this for what it really is - a vague mish-mash of various noises - a terrible cacophony, you could say.
@Schneider10101 you know... van gogh did those wonderfull sunflowers, but he did not do it using techniques thinking that will look like sunflowers. But in the aesthetic and artistic implicit value. Thanks to God, afterwards, the painters removed the sunflowers in order that only these values stay. The same thing happened with the music.
Intellectual because, well, it is. It's like.. I don't know, calculating whether 35234325782341 is a prime number because you're bored. Purely an intellectual exercise and should be respected as such. In other words, don't take it that seriously. :p
Having said that, discordant noise can be rather nice. The Mars Volta at times can be all over the place, but still sound totally awesome. Shining, Unkle, Radiohead. It's an aural journey, there's a tune if you listen and you may even like it. No easy listening but. Guitar ruins this one though, completely changes what it was originally. Well.. Maybe not ruined, but.. Yea..
This is in the outer realms of music, for sure. But to me, what you said "vague mish mash of noises- a terrible cacaphony" could be Justin Bieber or Hannah Montanna. It's soul-less, glossy, pure money-driven speculation based on what came before without adding anything new. And allthough it's the soundtrack of overperfumed cynical corporatism to me, it brings pleasure and meaning to many, many people.
Music is a way of listening to sounds. Creating music is to arrange sound in different ways with the intention of others listening to it in a musical way. How they percieve it is theire choice and does not make or not make something "music".
Go back to your Britney Spears, McFly pop crap that music has turned into these days. No pop music these days is original, only pieces like this can give people a break from all that monotony.
And what was that gave you the impression I like this "pop crap"?
I like Wagner, I like Strauss, I like Scriabin, I like Bartók, I like Johannes Heesters, Hans Carste, Wilhelm Strienz, Fauré, Elgar. Millions more of artists of varying genres, but never pop. I tend to steer away from music from 2000 onwards. I was heavily into Thrash metal as a young boy, but I grew out of that phase. Still, it was obvious since childhood, I was never going to listen to that generic pop shit.
I do apologize, my comment was a bit silly. I don't usually write them like that :S, so I'm sorry man.
I have completely the same view with pop, and I generally like to follow the experimental and new age music. Aphex Twin has released some of my favourite pieces of music I know, and I came across this one in music class. You do have some great taste of music in that list. :)
@Schneider10101 There is actually a very great unity to all of the sounds in this piece, and you can't really get the effect without 4 channel speakers. It's not enough to hear this music in a two dimensional setting. I love this piece, but I in no way think I am superior to everyone. I like Stockhausen, Boulez, Palestrina, Leonin, Brahms, Mahler, Debussy, Schumann. Etc. Please stop perpetuating the stereotype that people who like this music are somehow trying to be intellectually superior.
@Schneider10101 That doesn't make any sense. There is in no way a stereotype. This is music. Music, by definition, is the wanted organization of sound and silence. That is it. If you don't like it, that is fine. Don't try to disrupt those that actually enjoy it.
@ShevanelSaeglopur I can't say I enjoy this and I'm a person who considers himself to have a very wide palette when it comes to music appreciation but I can't fault your definition. Until someone can think of a better cross-cultural definition of what music is, your point is clearly correct.
@Schneider10101 read stockhausen books and you will understand how deep is his conception of music....it will make you think about music with a more open mind and expand your conception of art
why can peopel understand the behavior of a run in mozart but not musical behavior here. It's new.It's unrecognizable.Don't try to understand just open your holes and take it in. you aint Stockh.Just try to feel,seehear it. You dont understand music anyway. What does that mean I understand rondo in a minor. Please , there is the familiar and the unfamiliar . Maybe that's all. put in ya hole WHOLE!
The challenge for me when I here this is: Is this music? According to most people's definition of music then it would fail. Or, is it more an assemblage of sounds, a collage, if you will, structureless without any identifiable pattern or beat to follow. Something that would be a good backdrop to an Alfred Hitchcock film. But really, this is not something that I could listen to everyday. It is interesting in small doses for its unusual nature.
@MountErrigal. It departs form our everyday intuition of music. A simple sit-and-listen is not enough to understand this work. Try to imagine that you get back to the past to a time where no synthetic sound existed. Every kind of modern experimental and electronic music that you enjoy today has its roots in the works from Stockhausen, Cage, and Xenakis. They even had to think theoretically different to compose their works.
You have an interesting take on it. I guess in addition to what I am saying is that music has many purposes. It is in tribal ceremonies as used by tribal peoples, it is used in weddings, it can be a backdrop to a political message, it can be used just to simply rock (yawn), etc, etc. Continued
...and, in this particular case, it is seems theoretical and academic where only a few have privilege of understanding it....and it is not so obvious as too what Mr Stockhausen is using it for, and it requires further interpretation by someone more adept at explaining the purpose or objective of this, Which is why I believe people get frustrated and call it crap as people don't get it, I guess. This is a good discussion though. Thanks
@MountErrigal I find it as a song that's trying to give you images. I have no understanding of musical theory, perhaps that plays a part in this theory. LOL.
It's experimental, I like experimental, but there's waaaaaaaaaay too much pretence surround people like Stockhausen, Cage and Reich, who are doing the type of music anybody can do. Experimental. It's people who can't write music, creating music.
@lab32 Music Anybody can do? O_o Their Music is very complex, with complex Partitures... Moreover, Reich isn't that Experimental, His music is really accesible imo.
@Cangianza Oh I totally agree, it is very complex, I'm just saying with enough justification, anything can be considered experimental really. I'm not really a big fan of Stockhausen or Reich, I prefer Cage's compositions. I've had to do this for a Music Technology assignment, you see.
I just cannot deal with stockhausen. All of this electronic music that mixes with real players and recordings of sounds, i just can't get anything from it. No feelings come to me except for unrest. And thats with all of these styles of music.
You are a horribly ignorant human being. Even though this is watered down, please look at John Cage's thoughts on sound. It should be human nature to appreciate EVERYTHING. Appreciate sound for the act of sound, not for it saying something. Sound doesn't have to say a damn thing. It just has to exist.
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah Maybe it is not in human nature to appreciate random noises. But it is in human nature to try to understand music that isn't random noise. Just like Kontakte isn't about random noise at all.
The only random idea is this stupid guitar sound at the end. And that is the only part that is added 'at random'
From about 2:21 to 3:31 this is overlaid with an aphex twin track from selected ambient works volume 2 and it actually kinda works, whereas the rick music at the end does not. Well, Aphex Twin and Stockhausen are great electronic artists .
music is just organized sound, according to this composer. Or even disorganized sound, if you listen to aleatoric music or to a lesser degree Messaien's birdsongs. Or even no sound at all if you listen to Cage's 4'33". In short, listen to more stuff like this for a year and if you still don't like it then you can say something. Until then, you just look stupid.
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no this is just like modern art it's a piece of shit. I saw a painting that was just red with a single gold line. People only say they like it to make themselves look creative and good. This song toke no skill at all and no musical talent to create i could make something similar any day
If you had only 0,001 percent of his talent, musical knowledge, experience, curriculum and prestige, maybe you might compose some stuff for beyoncé, but not this.
In addition, there is a big difference between the artistic licenses that a master may take and the beginners' nonsense.
So, if it happens to be in the remotely case that in your lifespam you even had the audacity to try to do something vaguely similar, you bet, that would be just noise.
I don't like modern art, either. But I went from thinking the same things that you do about this sort of music to thinking it was interesting to actually liking it. For the record, I don't like this particular piece, but I acknowledge that it has some artistic value. Your red line could indeed be made by anyone with a paintbrush and a straightedge. Music, no matter how strange, cannot be made in a similar manner. I know, I've tried.
You could create something similar any day? No, you could not. Stockhausen did not just take sounds and put them together, I take it that you have done some analysis in english? Where the writer/author purposely used certain devices to create a certain effect on the reader/audience? I'll explain this in a way that will show you the artistry: Stockhausen used certain sounds to cause a certain effect on the listener, everything he added was of merit, being done for a purpose.
I'm absolutely in agree. The first six minutes are interesting, but that part of the piece is the most brilliant thing i've heard in music. Is a tone going slower until it reveals itself as a percussion, and going slower until it becomes newly a tone.
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Equal validation for different concepts of art in modern composition education, no matter how much or how little they owe to the standards and the spirit of the great tradition.
I agree with the first part, but not the second: Certainly Stockhausen wanted to find his own voice, but if you read his memoirs ("Stockhausen On Music") you'll discover he was very competent at composing pieces in the style of Beethoven, Chopin, Bach, and others.
However, he wanted to break away from that tradition, and create his own music. He succeeded! I wouldn't call it rubbish at all... I love the way it sounds. I'd prefer this in a concert hall setting to Mozart over and over again.
this is so cool. I like it.
JulieBrondeel 1 week ago
Great work! This video is featured in my History of Music playlist , of the Choir Conducting Secondary Technical School , at Ourinhos (SP, Brazil) . Reference: Roy Bennett, History of Music (Cambridge Assignments in Music). ---
Excelente trabalho! Este vídeo faz parte de minha lista de reprodução de vídeos da disciplina História da Música III, do curso de Regência da ETEC de Ourinhos (Centro Paula Souza. A lista está baseada no livro de Roy Bennett, Uma Breve História da Música.
marcelomelloweb 1 week ago
This music is art, for music to make your mind feel so anxious is intelligent
same with the works of Penderecki,Ligeti or Cage. Why cant someone make music like this nowadays
Grime1996 1 week ago
@Grime1996 It would be boring if people kept making the same kind of music, now wouldn't it? Actually, I believe a lot of people today are making this kind of music. So that is boring.
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10 justin bieber and 10 stockhausen song at the same time
/watch?v=xTiwpr7gcP8
andrewillis21 1 month ago
wonderful , beautiful art music! Stockhausen is so wonderful and important to avant -experimental music. Love it!
ByronicElectronic 1 month ago 2
Considering the time period in which this was made, the techniques used are quite interesting, to say the least. Another electronic music gem from the early '60s that I recommend (for those interested) is Terry Riley's 'Mescalin Mix' (featuring early, experimental usage of tape loops).
PabzGLRP 2 months ago
i stumble upon this guy reading about aphex twin. not bad.
once i discovered electronic music as it is ive never gone back. constantly exploring new sounds and genres.
and ppl stop arguing. its like after hearing this song youll never listen lady gaga or skrillex or willie nelson or bb king or someone else.
GodricThe 2 months ago
what people must understand is this arrangement of sound requires an intellectual understanding, it is philosophical and addresses sound inwards. To understand it is not the point, understanding has no function to sounds inner. The listener should approach this with a non material mind. I advise people to look at the art and writings of kandinsky and that of the abstract expressionists. To even say you do not understand this is a self declaration of not understanding oneself or puropse
cprostudio 3 months ago
smokin weed
MelvinWren 3 months ago
Whoever added the rock song at the end of this should be shot... it absolutely destroys the whole point of Stockhausen's genius.
TJPguy 3 months ago
He taped sounds of the universe in Radio Berlin and built these fantastic productions that take us back to "chaotic" essence of Creation. Only a few can appreciate and enjoy his genius. The rest can keep listening and enjoying bad pop music because that is as far as their musical capability goes. The rest of us, we really love this daring sounds.
Gatofranco 3 months ago in playlist Karlheinz Stockhausen
It's not surprising to read opinions lake eddypfunk's. He has no musical formation. Musi is appreciated from its roots up. Rythm is basic (everybody dances), melody follows, (most can sing, not all in tune), harmony (combined chords may be confusing to many), counterpoint (only understood and enjoyed by conoisseurs) and finally the reencounter with sounds in nature. Stockhausen was the first electronic musician in history.
Gatofranco 3 months ago in playlist Karlheinz Stockhausen
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Babography 3 months ago
@Gatofranco What you are saying is contradictory... Stockhausen's goal contrary to pierre schaeffer's musique concrete was to fully synthetise sounds with man made machines, thus there is no encounter or reencounter with sounds in nature.
Babography 3 months ago
pavement?!
lejoe48 3 months ago
good work!
aedo67 5 months ago
Hah, love how this descends into the outro of Shady Lane by Pavement... These comments are ridiculous tho. It's a serialist composition, which means that a single equation controls a series of musical factors (tonality, pitch, distribution, structure etc.) It was realised over 2 years 1958-60 by Stockhausen and a team of engineers and would have sounded totally alien at the time. It's testament to the proliferation of synthesisers that anyone could consider this shit music. It's fuckin awesome!
lapdogshuffle 5 months ago
studdying music, im looking at the sheet music for this and..... WHAT THE FUCK DUDE, GROW SOME INTELECT AND MAKE MUSIC THAT PPL LISTEN TO, SHEET MUSIC MAKES NO SENSE
mrh3tic 6 months ago
@mrh3tic
This isn't music that people listen to, and he knew that. Stop insisting that the world mold to your expectations.
dudejohnny 4 months ago
i think the song if it is a song is great and the video
camronwishart 6 months ago
Not enough mentions of how fitting the video is. Nice job. As for the music critique: I expect my experimental music to sound...experimental!!
thefreewave 6 months ago
para mim é mais poluição sonora que outra coisa
iarag19 7 months ago
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anyone here on acid?
tgmnewman 7 months ago
brilliant
doctormolotov 8 months ago
I like the guitar-part and the end.
MrWat001 8 months ago
Alter, macht der scheiß musik ._.
Laimuraify 8 months ago
Does this music have Asian influence, or is it just me. Kind of reminds me of Korean and Japanese classical music somewhat.
H2Oooh 8 months ago
@H2Oooh Stockhausen traveled extensively in the far east, so his music might have been influence by what he had heard there.
mirfakhr 7 months ago
Fat alien fart at 5:39!
mrpankau 9 months ago
This is fkn AWESOME!!!
paindoll 9 months ago
damn this shit is trippy. me like
VivaEmptiness420 9 months ago
Tiempo en disolución, río de formas, seres míticos, rostros saliendo de la serpiente, se ondea el espacio, vibra, pasa el río de los sueños a través de un juego de espejos y lentes, íntimo burbujear, tejido remoto de estrellas, se doblan, repiten, se fusionan los sonidos, colores, texturas en cambiantes formas, se unen se separan, saltan, cantan, aquí y allá giran y bailan y se pierden entre sueños...
Glassysound 9 months ago
Tiempo en disolución, río de formas, seres míticos, rostros saliendo de la serpiente, se ondea el espacio, vibra, pasa el río de los sueños a través de juego de espejos y lentes, íntimo burbujear y tejido remoto de estrellas, se doblan, repiten, fusionan los sonidos, colores, texturas y formas giran y bailan y se pierden...
Glassysound 9 months ago
Although I don't mind rock music per sé, but this is plain and simply out of place here and destroys definitely one of my favorite songs, so a thumbs down from me.
vstman 10 months ago
I love Stockhausen and, although inappropriately placed, I also like the rock song at the end. Anyone know the name of the song?
machomanshippo 10 months ago
mavaddaviélucule !!!!
and2sport 11 months ago
jaja la guitarra ...suena tan añejo el sonido....
pcpablo7 11 months ago
all music done well is good music. all genres are good.
AtBunkergateSeven 11 months ago 2
si po, te agueonaste con la banda de rock al final, gil
boton2 1 year ago
Ich mag ... ist sehr sarkastisch....certeza que ele fez isso para as pessoas ficarem com essa cara de indignados que voces estao!!
zaplinfelip 1 year ago
It's not random but I think that Musique Concrète is only a strange amusement, I don't take this seriously -_-
TheTrancemaster90 1 year ago
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TheTrancemaster90 1 year ago
I enjoyed that. I don't think it's random - someone chose where to put all those noises.
tomstickland 1 year ago
This reminds me of the small, seemingly incongruent sounds of being at home alone for a day. It's not the first time that it occurred to me that they might have a music of their own.
Winoria 1 year ago
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Winoria 1 year ago
This was fine up until the guitar. That wasn't meant to be there...
AyumuVanguard 1 year ago 2
THE PLANET OF THE APES!!!
jorindeadeye 1 year ago
なかなかええね
これが１９６０年の作品とはね
僕はマイルスのオンザコーナーからの流れでたどりつきましたが、
初期クラフトワークとか、ハービーハンコックのレインダンスと似てますな〜
始めてのセックスみたいなもんで、新鮮味があってすばらしいですね
グルルル・・・・と鳴る音楽を聴いていたら僕の腹も対抗して同じ音を奏でました
gottoeekanji 1 year ago 4
WHAT THE HELL WITH THE ENDING this is bullcrap
JorgeOrpinel 1 year ago
That's not music. That's something people like to pretend is music and then believe they're intellectually superior to those who think it's shit.
Schneider10101 1 year ago 2
@Schneider10101 According to Websters Dictionary music is ": the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity" so according to this definition this piece is music. Now how you feel about a piece of music is another issue. Kontakte was one of a bunch of experiemnts to try to see how much could be altered in music to still have it fit the core definition. To each his own.
sfrenchhorn07 1 year ago
@sfrenchhorn07
So you're saying it is music, but only because of a small technicality? What is so brilliant about that? I fail to see how anyone could enjoy this.
Schneider10101 1 year ago
@Schneider10101 You miss the point of what sfrenchhorn07 was saying. It is an experiment, its not meant to be enjoyed as one can enjoy Jazz or a Symphony. It is intended to push the boundaries of music to their limits in order to find new ground. As far as being enjoyed goes, this kind of "music" is good for creating mood elements in films, in fact listening to this composition reminded me of the background sounds in THX-1138.
As a side note I actually like how the guitar slips in at the end.
bwtanner77 1 year ago
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@bwtanner77
I see what you're saying - had I been aware of this previously, I perhaps would have said something like "Interesting" rather than "simply brilliant" .
"Sounds like a robot masturbating," is probably my favourite response.
Schneider10101 1 year ago
@Schneider10101 technically its not really enjoyable, its an intellectual exercise to be appreciated in that light...and as bwtanner77 said its groundbreaking...and this paves the way for others. i think if people had listened to artists like radiohead or any rock group back in 1920 they would have found it to be a terrible cacophony..like stravinskys rite of spring which is emminently listenable today but which caused outrage in the 1910s...
eddypfunk 1 year ago
@eddypfunk
And that is exactly what irritates me about this - I understand everything you've said up to now, but I fail to see how various noises make 'intellectual' music, and that the minority of these pretentious buffoons look down on those who see this for what it really is - a vague mish-mash of various noises - a terrible cacophony, you could say.
Schneider10101 1 year ago 2
@Schneider10101 you know... van gogh did those wonderfull sunflowers, but he did not do it using techniques thinking that will look like sunflowers. But in the aesthetic and artistic implicit value. Thanks to God, afterwards, the painters removed the sunflowers in order that only these values stay. The same thing happened with the music.
mod07 1 year ago
@Schneider10101
Intellectual because, well, it is. It's like.. I don't know, calculating whether 35234325782341 is a prime number because you're bored. Purely an intellectual exercise and should be respected as such. In other words, don't take it that seriously. :p
FraggingBard 1 year ago
@Schneider10101
Having said that, discordant noise can be rather nice. The Mars Volta at times can be all over the place, but still sound totally awesome. Shining, Unkle, Radiohead. It's an aural journey, there's a tune if you listen and you may even like it. No easy listening but. Guitar ruins this one though, completely changes what it was originally. Well.. Maybe not ruined, but.. Yea..
FraggingBard 1 year ago
@Schneider10101 Please check my opinion on your observation on Stockhausen. Greetings!
Gatofranco 3 months ago
@Schneider10101
This is in the outer realms of music, for sure. But to me, what you said "vague mish mash of noises- a terrible cacaphony" could be Justin Bieber or Hannah Montanna. It's soul-less, glossy, pure money-driven speculation based on what came before without adding anything new. And allthough it's the soundtrack of overperfumed cynical corporatism to me, it brings pleasure and meaning to many, many people.
superfatamusic 3 months ago
@Schneider10101
Music is a way of listening to sounds. Creating music is to arrange sound in different ways with the intention of others listening to it in a musical way. How they percieve it is theire choice and does not make or not make something "music".
superfatamusic 3 months ago
@Schneider10101 just like arnold schoenberg!
r0bz0rly 1 year ago
@r0bz0rly I can't stand Schönberg either!
Schneider10101 1 year ago
@Schneider10101
Go back to your Britney Spears, McFly pop crap that music has turned into these days. No pop music these days is original, only pieces like this can give people a break from all that monotony.
TJPguy 1 year ago
@TJPguy
And what was that gave you the impression I like this "pop crap"?
I like Wagner, I like Strauss, I like Scriabin, I like Bartók, I like Johannes Heesters, Hans Carste, Wilhelm Strienz, Fauré, Elgar. Millions more of artists of varying genres, but never pop. I tend to steer away from music from 2000 onwards. I was heavily into Thrash metal as a young boy, but I grew out of that phase. Still, it was obvious since childhood, I was never going to listen to that generic pop shit.
Schneider10101 1 year ago
@Schneider10101
I do apologize, my comment was a bit silly. I don't usually write them like that :S, so I'm sorry man.
I have completely the same view with pop, and I generally like to follow the experimental and new age music. Aphex Twin has released some of my favourite pieces of music I know, and I came across this one in music class. You do have some great taste of music in that list. :)
TJPguy 1 year ago
@Schneider10101 There is actually a very great unity to all of the sounds in this piece, and you can't really get the effect without 4 channel speakers. It's not enough to hear this music in a two dimensional setting. I love this piece, but I in no way think I am superior to everyone. I like Stockhausen, Boulez, Palestrina, Leonin, Brahms, Mahler, Debussy, Schumann. Etc. Please stop perpetuating the stereotype that people who like this music are somehow trying to be intellectually superior.
ShevanelSaeglopur 5 months ago
@ShevanelSaeglopur Well then stop perpetuating the stereotype that this is fucking music.
Schneider10101 5 months ago
@Schneider10101 That doesn't make any sense. There is in no way a stereotype. This is music. Music, by definition, is the wanted organization of sound and silence. That is it. If you don't like it, that is fine. Don't try to disrupt those that actually enjoy it.
ShevanelSaeglopur 5 months ago 14
@ShevanelSaeglopur I can't say I enjoy this and I'm a person who considers himself to have a very wide palette when it comes to music appreciation but I can't fault your definition. Until someone can think of a better cross-cultural definition of what music is, your point is clearly correct.
Prometheus1df 2 months ago
@Schneider10101 read stockhausen books and you will understand how deep is his conception of music....it will make you think about music with a more open mind and expand your conception of art
KanzerSkud 5 months ago
@Schneider10101 This is the justification for your ignorance
IantoddusSardus 5 months ago
@IantoddusSardus You're just up your own arse. That's all.
Schneider10101 5 months ago
@Schneider10101 Ignorant
IantoddusSardus 5 months ago
@Schneider10101 Very ignorant.
MrPianoJames 1 week ago
Is that a drunk bug in the end?
MrMusicfan007 1 year ago
It would be a really, really good idea to take off the rock song at the end your otherwise intelligent video...
mdunc1974 1 year ago
why can peopel understand the behavior of a run in mozart but not musical behavior here. It's new.It's unrecognizable.Don't try to understand just open your holes and take it in. you aint Stockh.Just try to feel,seehear it. You dont understand music anyway. What does that mean I understand rondo in a minor. Please , there is the familiar and the unfamiliar . Maybe that's all. put in ya hole WHOLE!
lovesGenet 1 year ago
That rock thing at the end fucks it all up. Kill yourself.
juicyovni 1 year ago
simply brilliant
cutxoutxheart 1 year ago
Yeah. Why in the heck is "J vs S" (also known as the end of "Shady Lane") by the rock band Pavement tagged on near the end of this piece???
vivalapsych 1 year ago
Incredible!!!!!!!!!! I really like it
hexatonico 1 year ago
I'm just looking for our video presentation relating in Stockhausen... and it was awesome...hahahaha
glay04 1 year ago
The challenge for me when I here this is: Is this music? According to most people's definition of music then it would fail. Or, is it more an assemblage of sounds, a collage, if you will, structureless without any identifiable pattern or beat to follow. Something that would be a good backdrop to an Alfred Hitchcock film. But really, this is not something that I could listen to everyday. It is interesting in small doses for its unusual nature.
MountErrigal 1 year ago
@MountErrigal. It departs form our everyday intuition of music. A simple sit-and-listen is not enough to understand this work. Try to imagine that you get back to the past to a time where no synthetic sound existed. Every kind of modern experimental and electronic music that you enjoy today has its roots in the works from Stockhausen, Cage, and Xenakis. They even had to think theoretically different to compose their works.
tbcpuebla 1 year ago
@tbcpuebla
You have an interesting take on it. I guess in addition to what I am saying is that music has many purposes. It is in tribal ceremonies as used by tribal peoples, it is used in weddings, it can be a backdrop to a political message, it can be used just to simply rock (yawn), etc, etc. Continued
MountErrigal 1 year ago
@tbcpuebla
...and, in this particular case, it is seems theoretical and academic where only a few have privilege of understanding it....and it is not so obvious as too what Mr Stockhausen is using it for, and it requires further interpretation by someone more adept at explaining the purpose or objective of this, Which is why I believe people get frustrated and call it crap as people don't get it, I guess. This is a good discussion though. Thanks
MountErrigal 1 year ago
@MountErrigal. Agreed
tbcpuebla 1 year ago
@MountErrigal I find it as a song that's trying to give you images. I have no understanding of musical theory, perhaps that plays a part in this theory. LOL.
frididjurhuus 1 year ago
It's experimental, I like experimental, but there's waaaaaaaaaay too much pretence surround people like Stockhausen, Cage and Reich, who are doing the type of music anybody can do. Experimental. It's people who can't write music, creating music.
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Cangianza 1 year ago
@lab32 Music Anybody can do? O_o Their Music is very complex, with complex Partitures... Moreover, Reich isn't that Experimental, His music is really accesible imo.
Cangianza 1 year ago
@Cangianza Oh I totally agree, it is very complex, I'm just saying with enough justification, anything can be considered experimental really. I'm not really a big fan of Stockhausen or Reich, I prefer Cage's compositions. I've had to do this for a Music Technology assignment, you see.
lab32 1 year ago
el ultimo minuto suena a post-rock.
Esquizoide88 1 year ago
El video es malísimo, Kontakte es para escuchar sin imagenes, es ACUSMATICA
amadeotinto 1 year ago
SUCH A MACHIN ....
filasofi 1 year ago
Well done video for this Stockhausen favorite! :-)
JohnLRice 1 year ago
Whoa! Interesting style! :)
undine117 1 year ago
it looks like a dream i had the other day
buba666able 1 year ago
sounds like a robot masturbating
buba666able 1 year ago 3
I saw this and suddenly iTunes finished importing a cd and made that bip-e-lip-sound, which fitted in with Stockhausen perfectly. Made me smile.
YUMMYngbird 1 year ago
Is the guitar part from Pavement?
wevegotafileonyou 1 year ago
what the fuck is this guitar shit at the end?!??! what shit! destroyed it!
lloplop 1 year ago 4
@lloplop for your ears ;)
Thomme94 1 year ago
Why the guitar?
Tongetamo 1 year ago 3
great video, Incredible music.
regcom 1 year ago
I just cannot deal with stockhausen. All of this electronic music that mixes with real players and recordings of sounds, i just can't get anything from it. No feelings come to me except for unrest. And thats with all of these styles of music.
cwskates 1 year ago
@cwskates thats the point lol
zwerty007 4 months ago
hmmhmm total neu hier wer mag oder will mit mir chattn der meldet sich ja ^^
RebecaMurphy 1 year ago
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This is not music. It is not in human nature to appreciate this type of random noises.
GurgleGurgleBlahBlah 1 year ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah
You are a horribly ignorant human being. Even though this is watered down, please look at John Cage's thoughts on sound. It should be human nature to appreciate EVERYTHING. Appreciate sound for the act of sound, not for it saying something. Sound doesn't have to say a damn thing. It just has to exist.
ShevanelSaeglopur 1 year ago
@GurgleGurgleBlahBlah Maybe it is not in human nature to appreciate random noises. But it is in human nature to try to understand music that isn't random noise. Just like Kontakte isn't about random noise at all.
The only random idea is this stupid guitar sound at the end. And that is the only part that is added 'at random'
roparre 1 year ago 3
The music is great, but the video.... is so ludicrous
BoyArgentina 1 year ago
kinda creepy actually, reminds me of the twilight zone
Dragonkin1313 1 year ago
this tripped the shit outta me
djonmustard1 1 year ago 2
Genius !!
hawklords68 1 year ago 4
En todo caso, felicitaciones a quien realizó este video. El final es muy bueno, denota gran sensibilidad... alguien que ama de la música.
calderaria 1 year ago
Vayanse a la chucha gringos culiaos... la música es música, disfrútenla... y tengan sexo escuchando a Stockhausen (después de bailar).
calderaria 1 year ago
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My dog could write better music than this.
chrisman737 1 year ago
i have the full composition and sheet music i can also get
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Interesting ;)
mynippon 1 year ago
From about 2:21 to 3:31 this is overlaid with an aphex twin track from selected ambient works volume 2 and it actually kinda works, whereas the rick music at the end does not. Well, Aphex Twin and Stockhausen are great electronic artists .
nairbo1 1 year ago
What the fuck!?!? this isn't music it's just noise
DrRoryMagowan 1 year ago
music is just organized sound, according to this composer. Or even disorganized sound, if you listen to aleatoric music or to a lesser degree Messaien's birdsongs. Or even no sound at all if you listen to Cage's 4'33". In short, listen to more stuff like this for a year and if you still don't like it then you can say something. Until then, you just look stupid.
bassninjatroy 1 year ago
If I listened to this for a year I'd kill myself. It's the musical equivalent of the turner prize - pretentious claptrap.
ImahGoer 1 year ago
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no this is just like modern art it's a piece of shit. I saw a painting that was just red with a single gold line. People only say they like it to make themselves look creative and good. This song toke no skill at all and no musical talent to create i could make something similar any day
DrRoryMagowan 1 year ago
If you had only 0,001 percent of his talent, musical knowledge, experience, curriculum and prestige, maybe you might compose some stuff for beyoncé, but not this.
In addition, there is a big difference between the artistic licenses that a master may take and the beginners' nonsense.
So, if it happens to be in the remotely case that in your lifespam you even had the audacity to try to do something vaguely similar, you bet, that would be just noise.
haffnium 1 year ago
@DrRoryMagowan
I don't like modern art, either. But I went from thinking the same things that you do about this sort of music to thinking it was interesting to actually liking it. For the record, I don't like this particular piece, but I acknowledge that it has some artistic value. Your red line could indeed be made by anyone with a paintbrush and a straightedge. Music, no matter how strange, cannot be made in a similar manner. I know, I've tried.
bassninjatroy 1 year ago
drrorymagowan-
"i could make something similar any day"
try it
chazums1898 1 year ago
@DrRoryMagowan
You could create something similar any day? No, you could not. Stockhausen did not just take sounds and put them together, I take it that you have done some analysis in english? Where the writer/author purposely used certain devices to create a certain effect on the reader/audience? I'll explain this in a way that will show you the artistry: Stockhausen used certain sounds to cause a certain effect on the listener, everything he added was of merit, being done for a purpose.
Watsupo 1 year ago
@DrRoryMagowan depends on your perspective ;-) to me, this is music
Glanur2 1 year ago
reminds me of the Ring video. am i gonna die in 7 days now?
PhantomLord 1 year ago
I thought this WAS Wagner until I saw the title and composer.
kitcoach 2 years ago 2
What a amazing video...how long have you worked on it?
oooohnoh 2 years ago
Great video! Congratulations! I wonder what technique you used to do it. I just found strange this other music in the end.
rafaellimpim 2 years ago
Grande video, bravo!
GropiusDaUdine 2 years ago
Great video.
babymicrobe 2 years ago
Great Video! Thank you very much for sharing!!
YeddaCat 2 years ago
Bringing in the rock guitar at roughly 6 minutes ruins the most famous part of the piece. Thanks.
Bolenderable 2 years ago 32
@Bolenderable
I'm absolutely in agree.
carlosi104 1 year ago
@Bolenderable
I'm absolutely in agree. The first six minutes are interesting, but that part of the piece is the most brilliant thing i've heard in music. Is a tone going slower until it reveals itself as a percussion, and going slower until it becomes newly a tone.
carlosi104 1 year ago
Very good sound-image union. What's more, I like Stockhausen works.
SargentMerdy 2 years ago
I suppose this is the Kontakte version for piano and percussion, right?
denxos 2 years ago
Fantastic video
GuitarmanstanUK 2 years ago
A rare and refined conception of video perfectly paliyng its role of visual expression of Kontakte.
This is realy astonishing.
RADIOKLOW 2 years ago 4
I have this in mp3
robotkarel 2 years ago
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i got it in FLAC bitch
AvedonLove 2 years ago
awesome
grobber13 2 years ago 3
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I guess it must be better than it sounds.
comprehensiveboy 2 years ago
Hi comprehensiveboy
If you're implying that it's as good as Wagner, yeah maybe. Different though.
Bolenderable 2 years ago 2
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I'm not sure it is.
richtomes 2 years ago
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Formula, no heart
richtomes 2 years ago
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formula, no heart (you are obviously referring to your own comments)
revions 2 years ago
Just as experimental as the song, I like it.
Saibot216 2 years ago 10
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concept, no muse
richtomes 2 years ago
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trolls are not muses, not amusing and don't have concepts
revions 2 years ago
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ape, not human being
revions 2 years ago
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you are obviously referring to KS's comments
richtomes 2 years ago
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I'm only trying to make some sense of your comments. But you don't like creativity.
revions 2 years ago
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posture, no understanding
richtomes 2 years ago
It is not difficult to understand you, since every response is no answer
and you don't even recognize a question when somebody asks you for an explanation.
revions 2 years ago 3
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theory, no content
richtomes 2 years ago
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revions 2 years ago 4
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sound design, not music
richtomes 2 years ago
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revions 2 years ago 4
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revions 2 years ago
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Equal validation for different concepts of art in modern composition education, no matter how much or how little they owe to the standards and the spirit of the great tradition.
richtomes 2 years ago
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revions 2 years ago 2
To think that he influenced Kraftwerk who influenced hip-hop... :-D
maartendas 2 years ago 3
Amazing, ain't it?
ALXXMaXX 2 years ago
Look man, if all you can visually do is split images in half--
lowgrau 2 years ago 7
This is amazing! So creative!
vincecharus 2 years ago
I agree with the first part, but not the second: Certainly Stockhausen wanted to find his own voice, but if you read his memoirs ("Stockhausen On Music") you'll discover he was very competent at composing pieces in the style of Beethoven, Chopin, Bach, and others.
However, he wanted to break away from that tradition, and create his own music. He succeeded! I wouldn't call it rubbish at all... I love the way it sounds. I'd prefer this in a concert hall setting to Mozart over and over again.
fiddlercrab3 2 years ago