Headzup: Ben Nelson Cares For Healthcare Executives

[xisting4me]

•Sen. Nelson has received $1,195,299 from insurance interests, $399,345 from health professionals, $258,483 from the pharmaceutical industry, and $195,138 from hospital and nursing home interests.

[SM1135ster]

This disgrafeful old political whore has disabled his facebook page and almost every other video- so glad i get to say Take Out The Trash Day Nov. 2, 2010 bye bye you crooked old vulture

[teleman84]

FUCK YOU BEN........

[drbelitz]

nelson is a seelout. and he thinks that being booed out of a pizza joint was bad? just wait til he votes for this healthscare bill. the government has NEVER successfully ran a business, and now our healthcare is going to be the next bankrupt amtrack.

[Dagney77]

Disgusting, despicable old bribe-taking whore.

[whatowally]

UHC whore!!!!

[zzot2]

I live in Nebraska and can tell you that Nelson committed political suicide when he voted for healthcare reform. 67% of Nebraksans don't want government ran healthcare...Nelson sold out for money to the Obama adminstration, our taxes won't go up, but yours will when you pay Nebraska's portion. Obama's change..hmmm bribary of Senators to pass a bill that takes over 1/6 of the GDP

[crackers2012]

OMG! These headzup things are crap! Message was right though, looks like Nelson DID take a little little...from the democrats! Thats your democrat vote at work. This is a buisiness as usual party and has been for the last 60 years. Just go away!

[Endunator]

In your face Bribery. Does this man even care everyone else pays Nebraskas dues? How low can a human sink? This is beyond despicable.

[dkkght46]

OUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK

Blagojevich takes bribes to fill Obamas empty Senate seat = a crime.

Ben Nelson and a host of others take bribes from Harry Reid for their votes on healthcare = how business is done in D.C.

They should all be arrested and stand trial along with every other socialist/communist/humanist/s­tatist.

[jkfromcincty]

INSURANCE WHORE.

[rocknruhlla]

Ben Nelson is a huge D-Bag.

[joeslick65]

Nothing more than a whore street walker!!!! Buy me for the right price!!!!

[Mikevdog]

I guess the dems found his price point.

[adfiller]

Taxpayers in every other state will forever be responsible for the expanded Medicaid program in Nebraska.

[lisam964]

OMG...You piece of shit!!! you are a disgrace to our country and your constituents....How much money did you get for selling us out????

[joe035]

Wow, this guy was smart to hold out, Obama is giving his state tens of millions of more dollars to buy his vote. Fuck you libs, get a job, educate yourself and pay for your own healthcare!

[harrygoonix]

YEAH... this guy is my hero. He has his own party pulling their hair out because he won't bitch out on his pro-life stance like EVERY OTHER SO-CALLED PRO-LIFER IN D.C. especially republicans. B.N. for Pres

[cjm608]

i agree plzspare. he got his 15 minutes now lets get this healthcare reform bill in and move the hell on. we have alot more shit to clean up from these crazy repubs! why dont you people stand in front of some hospitals and tell OUR citizens SORRY you dont have enough money to be treated. could you do that? you could not. my god! what the hell happened to some of you?

[nebpunk666]

democrats will be out in 2010 if they vote for this bil

[TheCanine2]

OFFICIAL NOTICE: the youtube poster "headzp" is an idiot.....Ben Nelson does EXACTLY what politicians are SUPPOSED to do,(but rarely do)

vote their CONVICTION,

Nelson was NOT elected by the people of the USA. He was elected by the people of

NEBRASKA!!!

Nebraska is a CONSERVATIVE state, NOT a liberal state.

If he votes for health care, so be it...he at least THOUGHT about it, as opposed to people like John Kerry, Nancy, etc (the party line idiots)

[PlzSpareASquare]

Forgive me but, FUCK YOU BEN NELSON!

[herbs814]

The Democrats eat their own!

The Democrats eat their own!

Republicans win in a landslide

because the Democrats eat their own!

[rubearo]

bet there won't be any of these dems around after 2010. when everyone gets a chance to see what they shoved on us with healthcare, they will be lucky if some democrat doesn't assissinate them

[john51880]

You are right! Democrats have turned a deaf ear to the will of the voter. Out of control spending, sky rocketing taxes and being soft on security will not be a tolerated. Democrates are their own worst enemy!

[breezily45]

@john51880 and we sit there and let it happen!!!!! vote this idiot out or better yet recall him immediately.

[lawofgroove]

WAY TO GO BEN! WE NEED NO PUBLIC OPTION!!!

Thank God for Nebraskans!

[john51880]

I was in Ben's camp. But he sold out.

[jkfromcincty]

He's a corporate tool.

[RRWDUB]

Ben Nelson takes money from healthcare industry! Gasp! Heres an idea; how about a list of any politician that DOES NOT take the money. I bet that list is pretty short. Rep or Dem!!

[titanhusker]

or he just likes not being TRILLIONS more dollars in debt

[kerreyb]

this add is rediculous, government needs to stay out of our lives. We can do it ourselves!

[RealisticOptimism]

Glad to know Ben Nelson actually thinks beyond his party lines. We need more independent thinking like that. Partisan thinking really hurts Washington.

[SlipKnot7480]

NO universal health care, it will be a disaster for this country,

[sandywzable]

agreed, no universal health care would be a disaster. Have government provide some basic level; allow insurance companies or non profits to provide supplemental coverage for those who can afford it & wish it, similar to school availability

[randomenergy429]

1 universal health care wich is what obama wants is a BAD IDEA

[omni321]

B Nelson is an Elephant in a Jackass suit. He's worse than almost any GOP SOCIAL PARASITE!!! Remember the GOP MANTRA "Ask what you can get from the Government, not what you can give to the common good! If there is a hell, Ben Nelson will fry there someday!!!

[GoLuckyOops]

"The fundamentals of the economy are sound."

- Ben Bernanke 2007

lol. That's all we need to know! The chairman of the FED's assurances about the results of what the FED did. Or at least what he can recall from memory about their secret meetings! haha. now THAT's transparency! lol.

Please help support the Federal Reserve Transparency Act! (senate S 604, house hr 1207)

Our representatives have the right and responsibility to audit the Federal Reserve!

[takingcookies1]

What are the odds that this slime ball Ben Nelson has sold the American people out for bribes and campaign finance to the insurance companies?

[bushputz]

Two things:

1) Campaign reform.

2) Enforcement of the Sherman Anti-Trust Law.

Until we get the multinational corporations out of Washington, we have no chance of meaningful change.

[marniespeaks]

take his taxpayer health care away

[km2711]

Ben Nelson is terrific. ,.and the ad reinforces the idea of his independence.

--reference to "..ecven though a majority support a public heath plan..."

YEAH, RIGHT!--Until some of these talking heads likie K. Sebelius try to reason how it will be paid for.

It's now clear that a lot of these far left of center imbeciles are getting scared of a vote on this subject...

Of course--look where it's coming from--the same peolple who love someone like Lincoln Chafee of RI --what a loser!!

[enkelin32]

If we went to a single payer system then HOW would those healthcare CEOS get their Multi million dollar bonuses? How would Shareholders in hospital corporations and big Pharma get their dividends and Capital Gains??? OH MY!!! How could they still bankrupt the families of Cancer victims and clean out the life saving of end stage kidney failure patients? It would be sooo much harder for a few to get filthy rich of the suffering and deaths of many.

[printo69]

I cant believe Im hearing people cite government resources on outlook spending for health care. They're ALWAYS so accurate at predicting spending, like Medicare or the Iraq War. Just because the president has a -D at the end of his name does not mean that all of this is all of a sudden going to change. Govt always has & always will be cost-INefficient. Care will have to be rationed in order to provide coverage for all. It will be too expensive. We are runnin a $1T deficit as it is.

[undiesinabunch]

Another USA for-profit healthcare horror story: People lose jobs because they work for a small company and when the employee has a medical problem it raises the rates for the business and the employee gets fired when his boss can't absorb the added insurance premium cost. Another reason USA needs HR-676.

[ph1sts]

Single payer healthcare can easily be supported with excess funds from the "spOILs of war" that Bush's neocons said would pay for the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

oh, wait...

[newspeaker]

good video- democrats like baucus and nelson are selling us down the river. and the republicans are paddling too.

we need national single payer hr 676 right now. I won't accept less.

[printo69]

There is absolutely no evidence showing that a government-run health care system will make things cheaper & more efficient. When has government-run anything been cheaper & more efficient? As for better care, fat chance.  A national formulary will be established. It will be like the HMOs on steroids. No one falls through the cracks because they die while waiting for the procedures that they need. No one life will be destroyed by medical bankruptcy, but a whole country will be bankrupted.

[undiesinabunch]

Don't make me say this again:

Life expectancy: USA 78.1 / Canada 81.2

Infant mortality: USA 6.26 / Canada 5.04

Per-capita cost: USA $6,714 / Canada $3,678

GDP cost: USA 15.6% / Canada 10%

Single payer healthcare HR-676 guarantees coverage for everyone.

[printo69]

Competing with the United States Postal Service in the delivery of first-class mail is illegal.

So private companies cannot compete with the US Post office because it is against the law.

Postage costs continue to rise, deliveries arent faster, mail isnt safer & post office lines are not getting shorter.

[undiesinabunch]

Email is killing the postal service so they have to raise rates to stay afloat.

Outsourcing mail is great for the few at the top who make millions on the backs of more low wage workers.

Cheney outsourced laundry in Iraq. They imported some East Indians to do a sh_tty job of washing clothes for pennies and then Haliburton charged the Army $100+/bag for the service. Army got screwed. Foreign workers got screwed. Cheney and his shareholders got rich.

That's what I think of outsourcing.

[printo69]

Washington DC

Schools partaking in voucher program: $6620 per pupil

DC Public Schools: $26555 per pupil

Those #s are from the 2009 fiscal year budget for DC

[undiesinabunch]

Chicago 2005: Affluent Rondout School District 72 in Lake Forest spent $22,508 per student, compared with $8,675 in Zion Elementary School District 6, where property values are dramatically lower.

[gymer15]

this guy looks too much like the dad from the wonder years

[Loserido]

The United States will not be able to sustain a national health care system. The federal debt will crush the country, they simply can't afford, they can't afford anything anymore.

[Mosley2]

Fuckin' A Matt!

[jokerchat]

free Healthcare is so bad for the usa

[undiesinabunch]

Life expectancy: USA 78.1 / Canada 81.2

Infant mortality: USA 6.26 / Canada 5.04

Per-capita cost: USA $6,714 / Canada $3,678

GDP cost: USA 15.6% / Canada 10%

Single payer healthcare HR-676 guarantees coverage for everyone.

[deliciousmorton]

This Machine Kills Corporate Executives.

[rochesterpopulist]

Bayh dogs doing what they do best, being corporate whores

[printo69]

We are running trillion dollar yearly deficits & are over $10T in debt. So where is this money coming from to pay for government-run healthcare? We cannot afford it, or any more government programs for that matter, especially with the bleak outlook for Social Security & Medicare. This country is going bankrupt.

[Loserido]

Exactly. The US can't sustain a complete nationalized health care system.

[ver506]

Good ol' Ben Nelson, might as well be a republican!!

[Mikevdog]

Don't worry, he showed he is a Dem by taking the sweetheart deal this week.

[cheeseaura]

The government basically controls and has a revolving door with big pharma.

Having the government supersede the insurance companies and take even more direct control will only make the problems that much worse.

[cheeseaura]

That's the same system that puts cancer victims on a surgery wait list.

Instead of operating immediately, they're forced to wait and most of them become inoperable.

I'm all for people getting health care, I'm just not for breaking what's left of the financial back of the country to do it, because if(when) that happens, NO ONE will have insurance.

[undiesinabunch]

Most Canadian provinces DON'T have waits but there's a wide variance between provinces. When there is a wait it is decided by the patients physician for elective procedures not by insurance eligibility.

Elinor Christansen - Waiting Lists and Universal Healthcare [YouTube] 5:11

Canadian YouTuber "phaedress" had breast cancer and raves about their healthcare system. She said that if she lived south of the border she'd be dead. Message her if you don't believe me.

[cheeseaura]

The score of the video and the comments by fellow Canadians seem to conflict on the video you cited.

Her case is few and far between and what makes it even more suspect is how happy she is, that SHE got taken care of. Does she have any clue how many people were waiting behind her, or was she simply happy she got care?

[undiesinabunch]

I'll take my numbers over your hearsay any day. Most of the good I hear about Canadian-style healthcare comes from Canadians. Most of the bad I hear about Canadian-style healthcare comes from Americans you included. My uncle's Quebecois girlfriend says she's never waited for care and absolutely loves their system. Canada's single-payer system has better outcomes at lower cost than our for-profit system. What part of "BETTER DEAL" don't you understand? USA needs HR-676!

[123Bella12345]

that is cool ass.

[cheeseaura]

Okay listen, I don't know what fantasy you're in, but the end result of universal health care in this country would push public spending past what we already spend on the DOD.

We're bankrupt. Universal health care will just make the economy worse and in the end NO ONE will have health care.

It's not even the matter of quality going down or the wait lists, it's the simple fact that we just can't afford it.

[hellboundmatt]

and Americans can't afford the current price of health care.. something needs to be done... I think owhat we have is worse for the economy... Health care cost is one of the leading facts that caused this

[undiesinabunch]

I'm listening ... but I'm not following your logic.

You say we can't afford $3,678 per capita (10% of GDP) to cover ALL Americans but we can afford $6,714 per capita (15.6% of GDP) to cover 5 of 6 Americans?

Yes, we're bankrupt, so how can we afford to keep spending $6,714 on for-profit healthcare?

How can we NOT afford to cut healthcare costs down to $3,678 with HR-676?

[ssbb8674]

We simply can't afford it right now. It will not work out.

[somersetdc]

Funny, we could afford 2 discretionary wars and bailouts and massive rescue packages as well as cash infusions for banks and insurance companys that were grossly overleverdged and were stupidly playing "pass the bad penny". It's about time that people were given what they want...and deserve, not the power-brokers and oligarchy.

Actually, we cannot afford NOT to pass healthcare reform. It is because of healthcare costs to business that US companies are not as competative as other economies.

[Loserido]

The US could not afford any wars or bailouts either. the Federal Deficit is at $11 Trillion right now and the economy is getting worse for each day.

I could see the benefits of a sociallized system as compared to what you have now, but it will not work. You can't afford it. you can't afford anything.

[ssbb8674]

This is what happens when idiots make assumptions. Show me where I said that I was ever for the bailouts, wars, or anything of the sort.

I would like to know, or are you just someone who argues with himself. By that I mean that you make a model of what I believe, and argue with it. Considering the fact that I don't support those things... I guess you are arguing with your own thoughts.

Now, show me how we will pay for this debt. Yes, I hate Bush too, he made a debt, but Obama is quadrupling.

[somersetdc]

You made a simple declarative statement, "We simply cannot afford it." That is not an argument -- I explained why I felt Americans were justified in pursuing health care. Glad there is some agreement.

However, I will not converse with someone who calls me an idiot -- I am not one, and with few exceptions, would I ever lablel another person as such. Your homepage says you are 14 -- you have a lot to learn, so I will forgive your name calling -- but I am not interested in conversing with you.

[printo69]

How can we afford it??? We are running TRILLION dollar deficits every year. We could not afford Bush's spending & we certainly cannot afford Obama's spending. Put everything right?? You've taken everything Bush did & put it on steroids! Education reform, health care reform, surging with our military overseas, suspending civil liberties at home, increasing size & power of government, more bailouts, more stimulus...Sounds like "change we can believe in" LOL

[ssbb8674]

Alright then, sure, if you really don't want to debate the fact that Obama is going to create massive horrible debt.

Yes, we deserve it. But doesn't the lower class McDonalds worker deserve a chance at a big screen TV if they had worked hard all their life. But the sad fact is.....he can't afford it.

[undiesinabunch]

20,000 Americans die annually from lack of healthcare not because they don't have big screen TVs. With HR-676 we pay 33% less: 10% of GDP instead of 15% we now pay. We cover 100% instead of 83%: 300 million instead of the 250 million who now have coverage. What's NOT to like about it?

[hellboundmatt]

We contend health care shouldn't be luxury. If that's the case... school is a luxury... Let's get rid of public school

[ssbb8674]

I want health care, but I am speculative on the costs and risks of nationalising health care. I try to be as much an independent as possible on this topic. I want it, but don't at the same time.

[ByzantiumCA]

Actually, a single-payer plan like HR 767 REDUCES health care costs. Do the math ... Americans spend approximately $2.2 Trillion on health. Of this money, 33% goes to CORPORATE PROFIT (i.e. the executives of big insurance and pharmaceutical companies). Now imagine if the $73 BILLION dollars that now goes to corporate profits actually went to help SICK PEOPLE.

[ssbb8674]

I'm talking about how the government will be able to pay for it. Our government is in debt. Yes, the collective of America spends a LOT on healthcare. But for the government to pay for it, well where would they get the money except for raising taxes again. Look at it like this, there already isn't enough money in the top 1% of America to pay for Obama's budget. Taxes on rich isn't going to work.

[printo69]

Maybe in imaginary land will government-run health care(or anything for that matter) be cheaper & more efficient. The argument is that our health care system is already so inefficient. If that is the case, then why are so many advocating that we increase spending? $73B LOL that is a drop in the bucket & will not be able to cover a meaningful portion of health care spending by the govt. GAO estimates govt health care spending will exceed $3T after all is said & done if Obamacare goes through.

[booley]

printo69-"Maybe in imaginary land will government-run health care(or anything for that matter) be cheaper & more efficient. "

Because as we all know the rest of the industrialized world does not exist.

Hear that Germany and France and Australia and Taiwan and most of Europe and Asia? Stop pretending you aren't imaginary!

BTW, weren't the figures for the Iraq off because Shrub kept fudging the numbers? So isn't implying Obama does that with health care costs with no proof a bit disingenuous?

[printo69]

I dont know if you are aware of this but we are not Germany, or France, or Canada. We are the USA. We wont implement a system like those countries have...ever.

Why do we have to increase spending if our health care system is so inefficient? It makes no sense. Thats what will happen, spending will be increased in order to afford health care.

So Obama cant fudge numbers also? Is he infallible or something? He is no different from any other politician. The costs he says will be higher

[booley]

"I dont know if you are aware of this but we are not Germany, or France, or Canada"

Yes strangely I did notice that when I joined the Navy and pay my taxes and have to explain to people why I cant' afford to see a doctor.

"We are the USA. "

So that means we're stupid and cant' do something other countries have shown works?

For instance , people in these other countries pay LESS for health care then we do and live longer.

And you are assuming Obama fudged numbers. We know Bush did.

[Loserido]

No, I did not say that. You mischaracterize my position.

[hypnofan35]

i hate to say that it seems as if the medical industry is motivated more by the revenues generated than any kind of cures that could be achieved. This is somewhat scarey. What if there was a cure for cancer? but they don't want to find it an use it? I could see that happening. If you don't have status, you do not deserve to live? Is that how it works?

[bnk384]

For profit is the problem, get the dam middle men out of the mix. Basic care run by the governmet, companies can hawk specialty policies.

[whoo689]

Just so long as they can continue their silly little gravy train and not have to actually shell out a little bit of paycheck for quality healthcare. I'm sorry if it sounds selfish, but I DO NOT wanna be forced to pay for other people's healthcare! If people wanna help them, fine. I'll help people I know and care about as well voluntarily. "Public option" is bulshit and unconstitutional. Gov't has no business in providing healthcare. None.

[whoo689]

Sure, profits play a big part in insurance companies, but it's not like they don't care about helping sick people. I mean, if they REALLY wanted to maximize profits, do you really think they'd be working in healthcare, one of the most regulated industries in the country?? They'd go into fields where they can make much greater profits.

NHC would totally screw up our country's healthcare!  We cannot afford to take that risk. The gov't can't take care of 300 million people effectively.

[whoo689]

Plus, once we open the NHC genie, we won't be able to close it. Americans will get too comfortable with free healthcare and take advantage of the system, and they'll get so cozied up to the idea of not having to pay that they'll become complacent with all the inefficiencies and mistakes. Don't believe me? That's what's happened in places like Canada, UK and France, with some of the most socialized healthcare systems on the planet! These people ignore the screwups and don't seem to care.

[RedNymph234]

do you live in the UK or Canada? How do you know?

[undiesinabunch]

Americans are already too comfortable with free K-12 edumacation. Walmart and McDonalds will hire you at 16 without a diploma! Highschool should be for those who can afford it ... like the hospital.

[bart11114]

Ben Nelson, I'm sad to say because I love Democrats is a DINO (Democrat In Name Only) but we can't compete against him in the Democratic Primary because he may switch to the Republican Party even so Nebraska is a conservative state. So if we go against Ben Nelson that will leave dumb ass Mitch McConnell one seat closer to becoming Senate Majority Leader.

[whoo689]

Lol! "Do everything in their power" to deny care? What a bunch of bullcrap. Look at the recent AMA study on insurance denial rates that was cited by The Hill, among other publications probably. What did they find? Lookee here: Medicare was number 1! 6% denial rate, compared to the highest insurers with just 4%. The best insurers only denied 2% of claims. I hardly think that's "doing everything in their power" to deny care. Don't buy into Michael Moore's "Sicko" BS.

[whoo689]

And stop making shit up about insurance companies all being "greedy" fatcats. I'm so sick of this stereotype about executives. Sure, execs. make a lot of money, and they give each other huge salaries, but it's absolutely absurd to claim all they care about is profits and money! They ARE humans, too. They feel just like other humans and have emotions. They're businessmen, though. Sometimes what's 'moral' isn't necessarily the most prudent thing to do, I'm afraid.

[wrxbungle]

Fuck the insurance industry and fuck nationalized healthcare.

Healthcare should be between YOU and YOUR DOCTOR.

[whoo689]

Exactly! Ron Paul is a big fan of this. He hates UHC AND is not a big supporter of insurers getting in the way. And he should know! After all, Ron Paul's been an OB/GYN for decades, having delivered over 4,000 babies.

[undiesinabunch]

If you're a MILLIONAIRE that's a great system. We need SINGLE PAYER healthcare on the table for the 20,000 who DIE each year because they're uninsured. Healthcare between almost 50 million Americans and their doctor is NONEXISTENT.

[printo69]

Right... because government will improve care, improve outcomes, provide more services at a cheaper cost & more efficiently.... what drugs does your doctor have you on that makes you believe that will ever happen in a million years?

The problem with our system is that its not cost effective(16% GDP), further government intervention will not make it cheaper & will not make it more cost effective. It never has & never will.

[undiesinabunch]

Life expectancy: USA 78.1 / Canada 81.2

Infant mortality: USA 6.26 / Canada 5.04

Per-capita cost: USA $6,714 / Canada $3,678

GDP cost: USA 15.6% / Canada 10%

Single payer healthcare HR-676 guarantees coverage for everyone.

[Loserido]

But it's not sustainable the way the US is shaped right now.

The Canadian health is due to many different factors, you can't only look at the health care system and say that it's what makes Canada great.

[undiesinabunch]

You're correct. Current US health care costs aren't sustainable. That's why we need to lower them with HR-676.

[Loserido]

If HR-676 is a cheaper alternative to your current system, then I suppose it has my support, but you can't afford it. You can't afford anything.

[undiesinabunch]

Our current system costs 20,000 lives per year. How much is that worth?

Half of all US personal bankruptcies are a result of medical expenses. How much is that worth?

We now have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than Canada. How much is that worth?

Good results for low cost with HR-676 or bad results for high cost without HR-676.

Take your pick.

[Loserido]

Your not seeing my point. Regardless of how many lives it would save, you can't spend money you don't have! Money in the United States that's being traded goes up to 14 trillion as the total sum of money that's owed is 53 trillion.

That's not sustainable with or without a national health care plan, it's just not possible to implement it.

[undiesinabunch]

Which part of LOWER COSTS don't you understand?

Which part of BETTER CARE don't you understand?

Which part of NO ONE FALLS THROUGH THE CRACKS don't you understand?

Which part of NO ONES LIFE IS DESTROYED FROM MEDICAL BANKRUPTCY don't you understand?

If your point is that it's just not possible to implement HR-676 then explain WHY NOT.

If your point is that we're drowning in debt then all the more reason to move toward spending less of our GDP on healthcare with HR-676.

[Loserido]

Spending less with HR-676 will not solve the problem since you need to cut a whole lot more than just that part of the deficit.

The Federal Government is drowing in debt and will not be able to do anything since it will undoubtedly cease to exist since it can pay for itself in just a few decades. By then it won't matter what the health care plan of said non-existant government is.

In that perspective health care is a secondary consern.

[Loserido]

*concern

[undiesinabunch]

I think you're saying "don't worry about remodeling the kitchen when the house is on fire!" I understand your concern and agree with you on the financial disaster issue but still think HR-676 should go forward.

You're probably a big fan of IOUSA [YouTube] 32:35 as am I.

For me it's an END THE FED issue which brings up HR-1207.

What's YOUR proposed solution to the collapse of the US empire?

[PFTECHMETAL]

yea, the government is doing such a good job at every thing. Let them take care of your health.

[RadarKat73080]

You wanna close the schools, libraries, disband the police, army and fire dept. too?

[PFTECHMETAL]

Did I say that? The government isn't doing to well with the school system. Sadly private schools produce a much better student. We're off topic though. The conversation was about the medical industry.

[RadarKat73080]

You have any idea how much private schools cost? Home schooling? Fine, unless, like my ex and her mother, you're a dumbass! You threw gov social programs under the bus.

[printo69]

Private schooling in many cases, especially in major cities, is cheaper. The per student costs, for example in DC, are over $13,000 for public schools & only $7500 for private schools. So why not allow people to have their tax dollars back to send their child to a school that they want? Why not let parents decide whats best for their children, not the government? Why not give these innercity kids a chance by giving them a good education?

[RadarKat73080]

I was under the impression that the poor didn't pay taxes. Rich folks, who pay taxes, already send their kids to fancy private schools. Where did you get your numbers?

[PASMdude]

We have a strange system. People have to work for nothing so we can compete globally but those people have to have enough disposable income to shop at Walmart because 70% of GDP is consumer spending. Unsustainable system but we will prop it up a bit longer.

[RadarKat73080]

Can't argue with that! I hate Wal-Mart!

[printo69]

its all fueled by the FED. By forcing interest rates so low, it is not profitable to invest in bonds & savings. Its so cheap to borrow. You get little in return for savings though with the rates so low. We need savings in order to fuel production. We need to produce something in this country or we will have nothing left to offer after our money has run out.

[Mikevdog]

I sent my son to a "fancy" Catholic school. It wasn't very fancy, but he got a good education and we didn't have to send him to the scholl with the future inmates in the public system.

[RadarKat73080]

Funny, Catholic schools should be fancy, they have the money. Ever see the Pope's house?

[Mikevdog]

The Vatican is very nice and I have been there. The school wasn't as nice but it was OK.

[RadarKat73080]

I'm certain that Jesus, who had "no place to rest his head", apperciates that the pope has such a nice place to live.

[Mikevdog]

Yes. Jesus asks that we care for the poor.

[RadarKat73080]

There are still poor people.

[Mikevdog]

Yes. We should be sure to give openly and generously to the poor. It is good to support Catholic Charities.

[herbs814]

The government makes people poor.

Free enterprise offers opportunity to all.

The only reforms we need for healthcare are those that get the government out of the way.

[Mikevdog]

Public schools are expensive too. The money comes from our taxes so it isn't free. How about a voucher system to allow parents more choice in affording a school that is best for their kids?

[printo69]

There is a reason that world leaders come to the United States for our health care. Why not go to Cuba? Clearly they have a better, or at least, equivalent health care system (thats what Michael Moore & the WHO say). Look at all govt-run programs: schools, medicare, social security, post office, medicaid. These programs cost too much, provide too little & are extremely inefficient. We dont really have "free market" healthcare, nearly half of hc costs are govt-paid & has gotten expensive

[undiesinabunch]

I'm not on medicare, social security or medicaid yet but teachers deserve to be paid a living wage and so do postal workers. You can mail a letter for 42 cents and it's there in a day or two. Postage in Canada is 54 cents. Schools are supported by property taxes so in a rich neighborhood you get fully-funded schools and in a poor neighborhood you get under-funded schools. That's a tax structure inequity problem not a gov incompetency problem.

[printo69]

Then how come it costs more money for a student to go to school in the inner city than it does private or in the suburbs? More money is spent there & less results are seen. The inner cities have money, they do get money from the property taxes from all those big businesses & those tall buildings.

as for the post office, why not allow private sector to compete. I bet the people at UPS & FedEx can do a far better job than the govt.

[somersetdc]

The Republican response --"government doesn't do anything well--and we'll make damned sure it doesn't, too. Let's sell off public agencies, heck even the roads."

Problem is, it always cost us more than if the govt. did most things itself. Privitization is a sure recipe to make the rich even richer and soak the poor and the taxpaying middle class.

Reagenism, Thatcherism, George W. Bush, neo cons, supply side/ trickle down (it means that they're pissing on you) economics caused this horror.

[printo69]

What world do you live in? What history books did you read? If complete government control were the way, the better, more efficient way, then the Soviet Union would have won the Cold War, not the USA. Capitalism makes wealth.

This economic crisis wasnt caused by any of those things. It was all fueled by the Federal Reserve.

[somersetdc]

No, deregulation allowed a majority of today's financial problems to fester and then explode. People voted to limit privitization and for more protection from some of the multi-national corporations' most flagrant abuses.

Remember, privitization of Social Security investments that was championed by the GOP -- dead as a rat, thankfully.

The country has wised up and moved on. The last 8 years are a regret in the rearview mirror--but we still must put right the damage done by GOP thugs.

[undiesinabunch]

Chicago 2005: Affluent Rondout School District 72 in Lake Forest spent $22,508 per student, compared with $8,675 in Zion Elementary School District 6, where property values are dramatically lower.

UPS and FedEx compete with USPS by paying low wages and benefits. Try mailing a letter for 42 cents via UPS or FedEx. I worked at FedEx for a while and sorters throw packages and laugh when they crash. When shipping FedEx pack it like it's going in a cage with a gorilla because it is.

[wisdumcube]

They do a pretty good job with our roads and bridges too.

[TimTrimT]

wooooo!!

[undiesinabunch]

Spot on!