california legal ar-15 pistol 80 percent lower build

[Beefloc1]

What kind of drill press I need can I get one of those 100$ drill presses from home depot 750/3020 rpm 2.5 amps

[Beefloc1]

Aye bro thanks for the help with all the info when u pm me I think it's a buffer and mag issue I switched out to a h2 and worked better but these noname 10 rd mags just ain't working all that good magpul 10/30 was worst any suggestions on mags

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 - I have a bad feeling your gun is over gassed. you could try an even heavier buffer. I'll send you the link via pm.

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 -sorry, just realized the h3-on buffers are for special setups and not the standard carbine.

[GoldenStatePatriot]

California gun laws are gay!!!!! F california government and i live here,, liberal fag assholes run the government here and i am seriously contemplating moving to another state because i cannot stand the the complete faggotry here.

[javelin005]

@GoldenStatePatriot - Gay folks don't bother me, I just don't like thier politics. Yeah there are a bunch of free states we can retreat to. Not sure how long we can run though. Progressive have been trying to disarm the commoner for over 100 years. they are in the schools and universities in the end they will get us if we don't stand and fight.

[doraandswiper]

I just ordered 2 80% lowers with the intention of doing at least one AR pistol. It's my understanding that you need to make it a single shoot first. Is that true? Also, love that buffer.. who has that?

[javelin005]

@doraandswiper- you can get the buffer from model1 sales . you may like the one from rock river arms though. it has some nice machine work on it. mine has the foam pad on it.

[javelin005]

@doraandswiper - yeah, it has to start as a single shot some people buy the sinclair single shot insert and put it in their 10 shot. others buy the expensive "bob sled". no proof is needed but i kept mine just in case. remember you must always use a "bullet button" and no more than 10 rd mag in it afterwards. move out of cali and you can convert it to normal like everyother freeman would have.

[Beefloc1]

So the magpul Afg u have on ur build is ok on a pistol still or illegal?

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 - yes, it is legal because it is an angled fore grip. If i bought the longer 11.5" barrel I could put a vertical fore grip without any paper work or breaking any laws as the gun would be over 26" which categorizes it as "other" an not a pistol or aow. you have to have the longer pistol buffer tube like mine though. if you run the shorty types it would be under 26" overall length and be illegal without paperwork.

[Beefloc1]

So we can't put vertical magpul grip if barrel length is at 7" on pistol

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 -only if your state allows you to register it as an AOW. that requires federal paperwork first and the tax to be paid. not sure if its $5 or $200. it is next to impossible in cali without having the gun in a Trust. too complicated for most so not even worth the bucks to do it. so don't mount it , it would be a violation of NFA laws and a felony. stupid but true.

[breakurselff]

@javelin005 Thank God for small miracles. Oooppps! I mean...thank God for loopholes.

[breakurselff]

If you have a 11.5" barrel, then you can have a forward vertical grip.

[javelin005]

@breakurselff -yup-imade this video before franklin armory put their atf tech letter. out.the gun must also have the long receiver extension to excede or meet 26" required length to be AOW exempt. not the little shorty buffer.

[DjEazyP]

Getting ready for the zombie apocalypse!

[0352USMC1408SAPD]

All the reason not to live in california... It's beautiful, and fun to visit, but way to liberal

[javelin005]

@0352USMC1408SAPD -yup, I do intend on buying property in a more gun friendly state and moving down the line, but for now I've got to make due with where I'm at.

[DjEazyP]

Where is the other 20%? Need a FFL for that right?

[javelin005]

@DjEazyP -No, check out the description. Just posted some info for you. The last 20% referred to, is milling or drilling out the fire control pocket, the safty selector hole plus two pin holes on the side. the rest of the parts you can order straight to your door as a kit. the kits are legal to order without ffl as the only part considered a gun is the lower receiver.

[DjEazyP]

@javelin005 Thanks, Diy AR-15...GREAT! send a link to for the lower receiver if you get the time. Thanks!

[leloodallasmultipass]

btw- tks for any info- ran out of space!

[leloodallasmultipass]

I read your description and I am not seeing a link to anything that has to do with CA. I see the letter for montana and I see the general federal law suggesting anyone can build a gun for personal use, but I do not see something legal referring to making a cal legal AR from an 80% lower. do you know where I can find that? I don't want to make a pistol, but a rifle. you say it must start as a single shot, but how do I do that without buying a single shot lower? or is that just for pistols?

[javelin005]

@leloodallasmultipass - There are no laws prohibiting personal build guns in cali so there is nothing to post. You can build 80%er AR in cali, it must comply with SB23 regulations though. No magazine larger then 10 rounds, and no detachable mag. the bullet button mag lock is what keeps it legal. follow those rules and your gun is classified as nothing more than a long gun with a fixed mag.

[javelin005]

@leloodallasmultipass -pistols have to start single shot to be compliant with the handgun safety law that was passed many year ago. please hit-view all comments and read every one of them. there is info a plenty in my previous replys. please whatever you do , do not use the magnetic bullet button tool or the bb wrench on your mag locked gun in cali. only use a bullet tip or a pointed tool to drop your mags. those "attached" type tools will get you in serious trouble.

[Beefloc1]

Thank u so much man I'm build my ar pistol in a couple of weeks just wanted a lil info before I start my project u was very helpful thanks again

[Beefloc1]

So when u build it it has to be one shot first so what do u need to do to prove it once was a one shot do have to record it some how to show that or just word of mouth and just build and put ten round in it and say it was a one shot

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 - No record is necessary. I won't advise you to break any laws, even unconstitutional ones but remember the burden off proof is on them. 5th Amendment protects you- say nothing other than it started as a "single" with a sled in it and ended up as a "fixed 10". Mine started as a magless single shot without any mag catch and then i added the fixed mag it was converted with a 10 shot.

[Beefloc1]

So if i buy a 80% lower i dont have to go through a ffl dealer i can just build it and its mine no paper work nothing? What proves that its mine and if i get pulled over will i go to jail?

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1- there is no need to prove anything. as long as you are not a felon or have a violent misdemeanor, you can legally build a "paperless" gun. just be sure if in cali it is built to cali legal status and your good. read my description. print the page 177 of GCA1968 law and keep it with you as proof you can legally build at home for your own use. remember you cannot let anyone borrow it though. it is strictly for your personal use.

[javelin005]

@Beefloc1 - just checking cause some people get confused, an 80% lower is the type that does not have the firecontrol pocket milled or three firecontrol holes drilled out. you have to complete that on a mill or drill press. see the descripton for where to get the lower or you can also get the lowers from tactical machining.

[p0pgunp00h]

What kind of upper receiver is that?

[javelin005]

@p0pgunp00h - It's a 10-1/4 from model 1 sales. i ordered it with A3 flattop upper, standard A2 front sight and c.a.r handguards. I then dissassembled it and added a Midwest industries 4 rail free float gen1 t-7 handguard.

[breakurselff]

Does the flashhider have to be fixed?

[javelin005]

@breakurselff -no, having the mag lock exempts it from the law. it has to have the mag lock and you cannot use magazines over 10 rounds in it or by their stupid law you will have created an assault weapon.

[GreedHNIC]

I am in california too, I was contemplating buying an ar pistol.How expensive was the build? would you be pen to building me one? I got the cash but I'm assuming if you built it that made it considerably cheaper.

[bbbvvv312]

@GreedHNIC The loophole requires that YOU make the receiver yourself. Or buy a complete pistol with a private party transfer. Having somebody "make" you a pistol can lead to legal issues for both them and you. Definately not worth it to try to save you a couple of bucks. Either go buy a pistol, or do the research yourself on how to do an 80% lower.

[javelin005]

@bbbvvv312 - thanks for posting that info. I already informed him about the legalities. he bought a jig kit and has since completed one on his own. where there is a will there is a way.

[bbbvvv312]

@javelin005 Ain't that the truth. Even when we have to neuter them, we still buy and make more ARs than any other state.

[bower230]

Oh my god! California, the communist state? I would move.... Nice gun.

[CanadianReich]

one shot.........really?

10 here in Canada....

thank God Canada has our 2nd amendment to protect us.........oh wait

[javelin005]

@CanadianReich -it's a loophole. It has to start of as a single shot to get around california's firearm safety test requirments.once it is built, it is able to be "converted" to 10 shot mags. this gun has no serial numbers. it is legally home built off an 80% receiver.

[svt283]

Was the 80% lower hard to drill?

[javelin005]

@svt283 -yes- i tried one and it takes a lot of patience. I did the majority of them on a friends mill. I have been steering people to EBRworks for completed ones or if your state doesnt regulate the way 4473 is filed you can choose to transfer a "virgin" lower as "other" or "pistol" so you can legally assemble it as a pistol. no need for engraving as pistol either.

[StandNowOrFall]

Nice AR pistol! I live in CA. also and have built an AR middy rifle w/'evil' features. Hence, I have to use a BB and a 10rd max mag. I'm curious though, why this requires a BB, if it's a pistol. Is there a special category for AR pistols? I mean our regular handguns don't need BB's (thank God!). I'd like to build one of these, and I'm sure the info is out there on Calguns.net..but hey, I'm here now so....:)

[javelin005]

@StandNowOrFall -Midlength AR's are the greatest. It has to have a bullet button. the assault weapon ban is even more strict for pistols. since it has a magazine outside of the pistol grip it is automatically deemed an assault weapon. the "bullet button" makes it " fixed attatchable" mag and legal, since it is not "detachable" without the use of a tool. STUPID - I KNOW. but atleast we get to have them .If the SHTF and laws went out the window , they are easily converted back to original.

[BAYAREA4150]

so it's a single shot . .. pull bolt, then shoot ?

[javelin005]

@BAYAREA4150 nope , started off as a single shot semi auto as per law requires. then I installed 10 rd mag . check my other video on gas system mod to see a little shooting action(just the first few minutes). stupid cali laws require it start as a single shot. it is semi but starts off with a 1- shot sled in the mag to meet the roster exemption requirments.

[javelin005]

@AndreTwin -ebrworks has an affordable buyback plan. they sell you the complete package then you return their unused upper and single shot sled adapter -i think they give you back $365 for it. fair deal then you can build any and all the uppers you can handle.

[javelin005]

@AndreTwin -Once again there is no need to engrave "pistol" on your lower. once you get it 4473'd to you as a single shot pistol in cali, it is yours. as long as you don't remove the buffer tube and install a buffer tube that can accept a stock , your fine. mine are legal and built in my garage off 80%er's and dont require registration or numbers until i chose to sell them or transfer to family at a later date.

[javelin005]

@AndreTwin - I would love to know who is telling you you need to form 1 your lower. they are as wrong as a fat girl in spandex. form1 is exclusivly used for NFA controlled weapons and destructive devices. ex: machine guns, suppressors, short barrelled rifles, pistols with foregrips and a number of other "non sporting" features.

[javelin005]

@AndreTwin- no way for you to do it. contact EBRworks and get a qoute. they can build it cali legal then transfer to your cali ffl . its the only way. cali does not allow you to choose "other" or "pistol" like other free states do. they used to back in the day , but no longer.

[booyalakasha1]

Awesome gun dude, but im looking at the killer HE-MAN collection in the background, holy shit in the original blister packs too! Im "favoriteing" your vid now just because of that! You literally do "have the power" in a state that thinks you are too stupid to make your own decisions. Too bad bout the 10 rounders, at least you can possess more than one... which kinda defeats the purpose for the limit anyway so props and give em hell (molon labe)

[javelin005]

@booyalakasha1 - thanks, those hemans were limited edition re-issues 10,000 of each produced. they are exact duplicates of the original and they came with the large outer box to protect them. i scored them at a walmart in 2001.

[Bootstastefunny]

i am so sorry you live in california....

[Fulton762]

My thought is to be "legal" in Ca it must have a single round magazine and not a 10 round mag? Local FFL dealer gave me ideas on a build, but I'm unsure of the mag required for a 80% lower. They won't give out info on that, only on what they need to see for the DROS on a AR15 pistol. Also does the 80% lower really need a serial # and caliber engraved in it? I made one up already, but am not happy with the results per the jigs I bought, it's not bad, but not CNC type of work.

[javelin005]

@Fulton762 -it has to first be assembled with the 1 round sled in it. then you can remove it and add a 10 round mag if you want. nothing in the law prevents you from installing a 10rd mag after the fact . search calguns.net its been discussed to death. it is legal. no need to number the gun until you decide to sell it. that is straight from several atf opinions and thier own Q&A page. ive researched it to death. its all legal.

[calogeroanello]

I live in Cali. How much u want for it??

[javelin005]

@calogeroanello - sent you a link to an affordable one. I really can't part with it. thanks for the offer though. the one on the link is a little short but you can order build other uppers for it.

[pmalveda02]

Question bro. Since it's a pistol. Why does it need a bullet button?

[javelin005]

@pmalveda02 - because it would be classified as an "assault weapon" if it did not. in la la land cali you can't have a centerfire pistol with a detachable magazine outside the grip.

[pmalveda02]

@javelin005 I see, Where did you buy the upper receiver bro? Do you have to pay for the NFA thing?

[javelin005]

@pmalveda02 -its from model 1 sales. they sell upper only or complete pistol kit. quality is nice. No Nfa paper work. safest bet is to buy a "virgin" lower and 4473 it as "other" or "pistol" .(not doable in cali you have to buy comlplete pistol). once you own an "AR pistol" you can legally buy all the short barrel uppers you can handle.

[pmalveda02]

@javelin005 Thanks for the info bro, I've read somewhere that you have to bring all the parts you needed to the gun store too in order for them to start processing it. I think a PPT from a LEO is possible too, Is that right?

[javelin005]

@pmalveda02 - its a sticky situtation. not sure if its doable unless the dealer is a type07 ffl manufacturer. ill send you a link to an inexpensive ar pistol . a good start and you don't have go through all the troubles.

[talisman9000]

Just move the fuck out of California...seriously. If you support the second amendment don't live in Cali.

[javelin005]

@talisman9000 - i support the 2nd amendment, its been restricted for years in all states. in my opinion you should be able to build full auto non reged at home but the powers that be have stiffled our rights since well before we were born. So really, there is nowhere to go. every place has its stupid regulations. especially Cali.

[thenoobcannon]

can you open carry that?

[javelin005]

@thenoobcannon - sure. i wouldnt though there are too many issues with cali law enforcement not knowing whats legal and whats not. you'd just be asking for trouble.

[thenoobcannon]

@javelin005 at least you guys don't have it as bad as we do here.

[javelin005]

@thenoobcannon -where are you at? cali is pretty fucked up. Most of the most onerous gunlaws were created here first.

[thenoobcannon]

@javelin005 the UK.

[VICHYATT]

You cant have anything in Ca.



[javelin005]

@VICHYATT - just nice weather. yes , the nannies in the legislature try to limit all freedoms . unless your gay or an illegal, then they roll out the red carpet for you. ( i don't have anything against gays just making a statement of fact).

[VICHYATT]

@javelin005 -- You my friend are preaching to the choir. Every day they chip away at the 2nd Amendment.

[petershin95]

Did u finish your lower yourself? Was it difficult?

[javelin005]

@petershin95 -yes, i used a friends mill . It can be done with the jigs and drill bits but it takes quite a bit longer. if your in afree state where you can buy virgin lowers and build them as pistols don't bother. I didnt want to pay the "cali" price for an ar pistol so i took the hard way.

[zzanzak]

You did a very good job building the AR pistol.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak -thanks , there is new news on the pistol front as well. it appears CA AR manufacturer -Franklin Armory has gotten ATF tech branch letter approving forward vertical grip on a pistol like this because it is over 26"s and will fall under "other" status kinda like a mossberg pistol grip shotgun.

[zzanzak]

Please be carful my friends, laws are often misinterpreted by local law enforcement. The last thing we need is some one getting in trouble.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak , "Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future."

[javelin005]

@zzanzak - that last paste was straight from the atf FAQ page. it looks like it can even be sold down the line but i will need to serialize it and transfer through ffl as required for any gun sale .

[quimbyt]

@zzanzak Thats why it`s best to contact a lawyer who knows gun laws or the state gun association. I live in Illinois if I have questions about the law I contact the Illinois State Rifle Association, or even the NRA.

[javelin005]

ATF 5320.1 AKA "FORM 1" is only required for NFA controlled weapons. it has been confirmed repeatedly in various ATF "tech branch" letters. the latest being the gary marbut-agen richard e chase letter. one must carefully read the description of "firearm" at the bottom of "FORM 1" to understand it is for NFA controlled weapons only. i have posted the Gary Marlbut letter in my description.

[zzanzak]

@javelin005 You need the ATF Application to Make and Register a Firearm form 5320.1. When firearms are made they are register with manufactures, as an individual they are register with you. I have three Federal Firearms Licenses and am a Manufacture. I am trying to help you out here. It is legal to make firearms in California however you need to fill out the ATF form 5320.1.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak it sad that these rediculous laws were implemented to catch greedy alcohol bootleging gangsters. just think the thompsom 45 subgun is the gun they modeled all these laws off of.

its a machingun=Nfa reg.

it has a forward girpand detachable stock=nfa AOW reg.

it has a short barrel=Nfa SBR reg.

[johnmclarty]

winecountryweapons.webs.com

[javelin005]

@johnmclarty -i have a few links in my description , but it seems people seldom look at the descriptions!

[manuelcardenas77]

Hey brotha where can i get the jig for the drill press?

[javelin005]

@manuelcardenas77 -cncgunsmithing has a nice one. ill send you the link via message. also winecountry weapons stocks a similar one. both will work . hopefully you have access to a mill its much easier. if not you can use the drill method. it just takes longer.

[zzanzak]

By finishing the 80% lower with out registration is a felony anywhere in the USA. I hope you submitted an ATF application to manufacture a firearm.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak -from my understanding you can complete for your own use . there is no part of gun control act of 1968 that prohibits you from making your own gun. the problem comes when you go to sell it. you need to number and register .

[manuelcardenas77]

@zzanzak Your wrong!

[zzanzak]

@manuelcardenas77 You need the ATF Application to Make and Register a Firearm form 5320.1. When firearms are made they are register with manufactures, as an individual they are register with you. I have three Federal Firearms Licenses and am a Manufacture. I am trying to help you out here. It is legal to make firearms in California however you need to fill out the ATF form 5320.1.

[manuelcardenas77]

@zzanzak Ok thanks for the info my bad for sounding like jerk. So you make two statements my understanding is like in your statement about selling,i am aware of that part. So in your statement towards me your saying the opposite.

[javelin005]

@manuelcardenas77 - i still think he's wrong. the form he has sent me is the form used for NFA controlled "firearms" it does not include semi auto guns outside the parameters of "firearm" definitions.

[javelin005]

@manuelcardenas77

you have to look at the descritpions of "firearms" subject to this form to understand legality.

think algebraiclly.

shotgun barrel <18"+overall length<26"= subject to registration and $200 tax

rifle barrel <16" + overall length<26"+subject to registration and $200 tax

machine gun,suppressor, destructive device= registration and $200 tax.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak (a) Firearm

The term “firearm” means

(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches

[javelin005]

@zzanzak (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

[javelin005]

@zzanzak (5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);

(6) a machinegun;

(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and

[javelin005]

@zzanzak you have to look at the descritpions of "firearms" subject to this form to understand legality.

think algebraiclly.

shotgun barrel <18"+overall length<26"= subject to registration and $200 tax

rifle barrel <16" + overall length<26"+subject to registration and $200 tax

machine gun,suppressor, destructive device= registration and $200 tax.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak- i know your just looking out for us. i researched it pretty good before i did it. do you have to pay ITAR yearly tax or are you manufacturing under 50 firearms per year? i wanted to get a type 07 ffl but it looks like i have been regulated and taxed out of the idea. i read the form you sent me carefully , mine does not fall under the category. other sections of the law do view my gun as a firearm, though not controlled by NFA reg.

[zzanzak]

By finishing the 80% lower with out registration is a felony anywhere in the USA. I hope you submitted an ATF application to manufacture a firearm.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak -where did you get this info from? 

[zzanzak]

By finishing the 80% lower with out registration is a felony anywhere in the USA. I hope you submitted an ATF application to manufacture a firearm.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak

Do I need an FFL to make a firearm?

In a short answer, no. As long as you can legally own the firearm in the state, county and city you reside in you are allowed to manufacture a firearm for your own personal use. No serial number is required however it is suggested to engrave a serial number, model and manufacturer on your receiver in case it is lost or stolen.

from tactical machinings website.

[javelin005]

@zzanzak - I think you are confusing NFA controlled form 1 weapons with regular semi auto firearms. also i believe you are confusing "manufacutrer" with "non licensed person" one is in the "business" of profiting from the manufacuture and the other is just a private person "without ownership restrictions" building a gun.

[Eslamizar]

Ok so was that a federal law that allows you to have that AFG? because here in Oregon as far as I know you can't have that AFG or any kind of VG on a pistol unless you go the AOW route. That AR looks good.

[javelin005]

@Eslamizar - there's an atf letter floating around on the net that shows they are not considered "vertical" . i know people are still reluctant to do it but they did issue a letter. ive read it before but i did not save it.

[javelin005]

@Eslamizar- just posted the link to the google goc showing the atf ok on AFG grip(in video description). remember your state can impose any law they want on you. just look at california. we can't even have detachable mags with pistol grip rifles.